When did you finally realize they weren't creditable?
When they gave TKOL a 7.9
>>62606887
this, that album is at least a 9
the nail on the coffin for me was the unbearable whiteness of indie article. haven't visited their site since
When I realized that this is their only good review.
http://pitchfork.com/reviews/albums/2771-the-eminem-show/
http://m.pitchfork.com/reviews/albums/5799-the-fragile/
>>62606898
that and when they started talking about "Blackness" with a capital B when talking about TPAB
The first time I visited their site in 2005. It amazes me that people actually think pitchfork is good in any way.
The same year I discovered that they existed.
This review put the nail in the coffin
http://m.pitchfork.com/reviews/albums/21287-islah/
First paragraph of this review
pitchfork.com/reviews/albums/6656-kid-a/
when they didn't give TLOP a 10
MBDTF
how anyone can take them seriously after that is beyond me
>>62606863
I'm my own critic, I don't need someone else telling me if something is worth listening to or not. Especially not Cuckfork.
>>62607100
It also fucked /mu/ up beyond repair. Goddamn
>>62607078
kek did they remove the abortion thing?
>>62607078
Wow
>>62607078
>Thom Yorke slowly beat on a grand piano, singing, eyes closed, into his microphone like he was trying to kiss around a big nose
Stopped reading there
when they gave every meme rap album a 9.0 or above
>>62606939
jesus christ
when they posted their meme article "the unbearable whiteness of indie"
>>62606939
Wow
>>62606967
really? in 2005 myspace was still the best way to discover new bands. it was the cusp of the blog/buzzband era. pitchfork FELT like a good aggregator of what was going on at the time. whether or not there was shady dealing going on the background, i was finding music i liked through them. discogs was nascent. last.fm was nascent and would replace myspace as the best place to discover music. it felt like p4k lost it's way when it started focusing on hiphop.
2010 was the last year i payed attention to their year-end list. but again, i didn't know they weren't credible. i just thought i was losing touch as i'd mostly stopped listening to hiphop.
i think the final straw was the donnie trumpet "surf" record last year. i recognized the influences, thought it had some promising moments, but it really felt like a failure of an album. good (or at least refreshingly borrowed) ideas, poor execution. legitimately a below average album by any measure. and the next day, it got best new music.
from then on i've kept a skeptical eye on them. learned a lot about the pr/management side of what's actually been going on in music over the last ten years. it's really been eye opening. now when i see things like kanye's 9.0 for tlop, i don't even bat an eye. just laugh at the whole thing.
anyway. i'm old and it's bedtime.
>>62606863
Within a few minutes because of their immensely shitty taste.
>>62607344
>last.fm was nascent and would replace myspace as the best place to discover music
rather, until youtube "got good." by '07 enough randos had uploaded music to make things interesting, by '10 it became the best place to dig for shit. anyway, forgot to include that.
>>62606863
Always hated them
>>62606863
i hope ian cohen dies slowly
Lateralus 1.6
>>62606939
Wow...
>>62606939
The review is right though, isn't it? 2 is a bit ridiculous, but some of his criticisms are valid. Nine Inch Nails/Trent can be cringey and that album definitively had that in abundance.
When they gave MBDTF a 10.
My thoughts on p4k were vindicated when I watched Chris Ott's videos. They're just another corporate whore.
>>62608001
The man had some valid points, but I think it's a great album. When I saw the link I was expecting to see a 5 at the very lowest. A 2? Get a second opinion, get two of them.. Average it out
>>62606863
when they forgot to check their privilege and kept reviewing black music. They cant understand whats being born as a grandson of a slave.
#KillAllWhiteys
>>62606863
Trick question, anon, they were never credible.
>>62606863
Fucking zaireeka
When they (originally) gave Pet Sounds a 7.5
>>62607792
1.6 Really?
>>62606863
The Mars Volta reviews
>>62606904
Autism
Vespertine
their "top 100 albums of 70's/80's/90's is all I ever used them for.
for reviews, I always used Christgau, if only because he's a stable viewpoint thru 40+ years so I can figure out where I agree and where I don't. unlike any other publication that has dozens of writers so that it's ultimately the EDITOR whose views you're getting (in a disguised form), instead of the opinions of an individual
>>62607792
They must've been... high...
I never read them consistently because I'm not into new meme music.
I never cared for them.
I admit there are probably quite a lot of p4k-approved albums that I also like but I've never understood why anyone actually cares about their opinion.
There's a ton of different writers, so you may as well ask some random guy on the street what he thinks of the new Animal Collective. One writer's 10.0 could be another's 2.3.
Simply enjoy reading P4K because I like to read all the reviews
a lot of the time i don't agree but hey everyone has an opinion them too
Bon iver got aoty the year after appearing on a kanye album i guess
and>>62606887
>>62606863
>creditable
>>62606863
I stopped visiting Pitchfork when they gave AnCo's latest album such a low rating. They even said themselves it wasn't supposed to be compared to their previous stuff, yet the reviewer still expected more of the same...
When /mu/ stopped posting a thread about them every 5 minutes.
So 2030 maybe?
>>62610135
that album is actually good though
not the best tame impala album though, not even close
When I read a review.
Pretentious as fuck.
http://pitchfork.com/reviews/albums/8342-perdition-city/
If you mention anything after Kanye 10, you've already lost.
>niggas is still realising in 2016
they never really had credibility ever and I realised this well before 2010
>>62606954
Do white people agree with pseudo-black nationalism outside of woke clickbait sites? Like, there's gotta be a demographic for this shit.
I told /mu/ to not rely so heavily on them, but nobody ever listened.
Just, like, form your own opinions on music. Is that too much to ask from a music board filled with people who came here because they hated billboard-tier music selection?
The Painting With review was the last straw.
The Painting With review was the last straw.
>>62606863
When faggots on /mu/ wouldn't stop whining about pitchfork.
Also when faggots would get triggered at their articles.
>Oh no someone has a different opinion than me!
>>62606863
Frances the Mute has a 2
Started out disliking Pitchfork because when I was in high school it seemed that every album I liked was panned by them (The Mars Volta, Nine Inch Nails, Tool, Ulver, etc)
Began liking Pitchfork in college because my taste began to line up with theirs more and more.
Began disliking Pitchfork when I entered my second degree because I began to feel that their collective taste was too boring and predictable.
>>62613056
I think Painting With is a seriously GREAT album, but this wouldn't be the first time Pitchfork got it wrong so I really don't give a shit.
They gave TLOP a fucking 9, for christ sake.
>>62607078
>The butterscotch lamps along the walls of the tight city square bled upward into the cobalt sky, which seemed as strikingly artificial and perfect as a wizard's cap. The staccato piano chords ascended repeatedly. "Black eyed angels swam at me," Yorke sang like his dying words. "There was nothing to fear, nothing to hide." The trained critical part of me marked the similarity to Coltrane's "Ole." The human part of me wept in awe.
L
O
L
When they gave a 3.6 to Rooty by Basement Jaxx and then it was on the #33 spot on the albums of the decade list
>>62607235
>the unbearable blackness of hip-hop
>>62607078
Fuck you. Brent is everything.
>>62612708
yeah, cucks
>>62613030
>new tripfag we picked up this summer
>"I told /mu/!"
Give me a fucking break, kid.
>>62613735
kill yourself
The experience and emotions tied to listening to Kid A are like witnessing the stillborn birth of a child while simultaneously having the opportunity to see her play in the afterlife on Imax. It's an album of sparking paradox. It's cacophonous yet tranquil, experimental yet familiar, foreign yet womb-like, spacious yet visceral, textured yet vaporous, awakening yet dreamlike, infinite yet 48 minutes. It will cleanse your brain of those little crustaceans of worries and inferior albums clinging inside the fold of your gray matter. The harrowing sounds hit from unseen angles and emanate with inhuman genesis. When the headphones peel off, and it occurs that six men (Nigel Godrich included) created this, it's clear that Radiohead must be the greatest band alive, if not the best since you know who. Breathing people made this record! And you can't wait to dive back in and try to prove that wrong over and over.
>>62610159
THANK YOU.
fucking hell you're all retards
>>62613709
Uh are you a fucking racist?
>>62608057
what videos?
>implying i let subjective music reviews control what i like to listen to
>>62607792
>>62609218
>>62609838
Tool is objectively shit.
Pseudo-Intellectual bullshit for 14 year olds.
DUDE MATHS LMAO
1.6 desu
>>62606863
2009
>>62607235
its true tho
Every review they've ever given The Mars Volta
>>62613934
this. they raised some good points. tool is to metal as mumford and sons is to indie rock
>>62612708
define "pseudo black nationalism"
Most white millenials believe it's wrong that black people are killed by police at higher rates
>>62614033
devendra banhart is boring as fuck
>>62614056
deloused in the comatorium is their only worthwhile album. Frances the Mute is tolerable but nothing special at all
they were pretty much correct on every album up until about 2009
>>62613747
>new tripfagging
>must have never posted anonymously before
>must have never tripfagged before under a different name
I just recently got into daily threads, hence the namefagging. I was here back when /mu/ still liked power metal.
>>62607344
In 2005 myspace was mostly shitty scene bands.
>>62606863
When they gave this a 9.0/10
>>62613534
Wow
>>62610135
This as well as Deafheaven's new bermuda.
>>62614155
10.0 album right there
>>62614096
It's not the fact that they pan them its the fact that they do it because of some grudge they have with the members of the band. It's really immature.
>>62614155
this
literally a 6 at best
Honestly, it was when they made Arcade Fire famous then tried and failed to do the same for Clap Your Hands Say Yeah. Everybody took the bait and pretended they were as good as Pitchfork claimed but I stood my ground and maintained that they were shit and LOOK WHO WAS RIGHT FAGGOTS! Nobody cares about that shitty band anymore.
>>62610135
Not as offensive as pic
>>62613709
You're an idiot if you think the situations are comparable
Blackness exists in revolt, as American society is innately and unconsciously racist. There's nothing wrong with a style of music being primarily white either, but homogeneous whiteness is not radical in the way that homogeneous blackness is.
>>62614436
except the blackness of hip hop actually is unbearable, and it's venomous to black culture.
>>62614396
While I enjoyed a couple tracks from this album, overall I thought it was boring. Not even worth a 7.
>>62614096
How so?
Even if he isn't your cup of tea, What Will We Be is a dynamic, complex, and very well-composed album that's a head and shoulders above most Pitchfork-core.
>>62614462
Indie rock is whiter than hip-hop is black. There's not one prominent black indie artist.
In what way is hip-hop venomous to black culture? Don't talk about crime, because it's not 2005. Crime has been a significant problem in the black community since before Grandmaster Flash was born, and hip hop doesn't really glorify gang behavior anymore.
danse manatee
how could they dislike it
>>62614556
Dude, I was literally just watching an interview with Vic Mensa when he said gun violence in Chicago went down last year because Chicago rappers stopped rapping about shooting people.
>>62614556
No but it still glorifies the fuck out of drugs more than rock did in the 60's
What are some good music blogs that cover a decent variety of music?
>>62614556
Kele Okereke
Why did they sell out so hard though? They were the epitome of elitist hipster snobs
>>62614596
>a rapper knows more about the motivations of crime than legions of criminologists, police, and sociologists
>>62614556
When black people are systematically oppressed, it's not a good idea to push romantic ideas of hyper-materialism and unattainable success. You might think it's a form of escapism, but it honestly fuels crime. Now they call it "hustlin"
>>62614633
>more
You serious?
Rock subtly referenced particular drugs while hip hop is more candid about it.
Even so, both still glorifying them so I don't know what you're getting at.
>>62614690
>Missing the point of the reply
>>62614700
Yes more. Rock did it for about a decade or two. Rap has done it for 2 decades and counting now. There's no signs of it stopping either. Young thug and future are THE rappers right now
>>62614639
>Prominent
>>62614633
Really? Tons of "white music" glorifies drug use in the same way. Wavves, Tame Impala, Mac Demarco...
>>62614124
This. Their taste had its limitations, but was generally quite good through the second half of the aughts.
They've rapidly losing credibility for a while. Pick related is when I gave up on caring.
>>62614697
This has been part of black music since before Cab Calloway
>>62614813
>in the same way
Really? Can't remember any tame impala lyrics having Xanax or percocet or pissing out codeine
>>62614690
>criminologists, police, and sociologists know anything
>>62614697
>>62614556
I think these points are both true, but I think the active promotion of violence and gang activity was the main thing that made it all a net negative for the black community at the time. Now the negatives are outweighted by the positives of having a prominent and valued form of expression - even in the short term.
>>62614574
to be fair that album feels like a lot of mediocre attempts at noise mixed with 7/10 pop songs and some occasional god-tier vignettes
should've gotten a far higher score just for meet the light child tho
I never thought of them as credible. I can form my own opinions, thanks.
>>62614078
>define "pseudo black nationalism"
Go to salon dot com or some other shit site and search Blackness. It's not my job to educate you.
>>62614951
There really are no positives. There is a HUGE void in role models for the black community, and rappers are filling that void with no one interjecting saying it might not be the right way to go about things.
DESU:
>when did you finally realize it's just some nigger giving his opinion and you can have a completely different opinion
DUMB NIGGAS
>>62614638
fantano
>>62614556
TV on the Radio? Also stop pretending like indie-rock is even a genre.
>>62614190
how much should new bermuda have gotten?
>>62615261
0.3
>>62606863
Their reviews are not based on the music but how hip it is perceived to be which they do control to an extent.
Just think of the power trip of being able to pan any established band or pull any obscure act into the prime of the indie circuit spotlight.
If you want to be fed their version of trendy go right ahead but never believe that they really put the music/artistry over their vision of what should be cool/in
on the other hand,
Fantano is a contrarian by nature and a little too focused and formulaic on having albums fit his particular sense of design but he is honest and outright with his opinions, the majority of the time he gives a sensible view and brings up many good points which is really what you should focus on rather than his summary view or x/10 score.
In general go with the reviewers that don't have some premeditated or pre constructed ideas about the album or artist. You'll get the freshest perspectives both good and bad without all the baggage
>>62609793
I feel the same way. Vespertine at least deserved an 8.0 BNM at the very least, but to give it less than that... crazy.
When the joke became serious
>>62614556
Gary Clark Jr. maybe?
>>62606863
I find them more credible than some punk on /mu/ that uses the word creditable instead.
>>62606863
The first time I went to their website
>>62614832
>Pick related
typical of montreal fan
>>62615697
So you trust shit for shit
>>62614070
>they raised some good points
The whole review was just DUDE TOOL FANS ARE ANNOYING LMAO
They didn't even say anything about the music.
>The Unbearable Whiteness of Indie
>>62614638
If you're looking for a bitchspork alternative try tinymixtapes
>>62614136
in 2005, people who weren't in bands would make a band page so they could upload music they liked and have them stream on their page. (can't believe i remember this shit desu)
if you stumbled on to the right person's page, a whole world of music would open up to you. from what they were streaming, to the lists of bands they'd list on their page. it was a lot like the last.fm/rym/whatever posts on here where people list a hundred bands they like. primitive as it sounds, if you found someone with good taste, you ate for weeks.
>>62615803
sorry i was high
>>62615149
You're making a bizarre claim that you must defend. How is that it "pseudo-nationalist" to be pro-black?
>>62618024
black people want to be segregated into their own nation
>>62606939
still one of the most embarrassing reviews written on any website
>let's ignore any instrumental dynamic and just complain about lyrical melodrama
>>62606904
what the fuck is this?
is it some kind of joke?
Daily reminder
>>62615246
TV and the Radio are R&B
Indie is very much a genre, marked by folk-inspired vocals and an eclectic (usually electroacoustic) sonority, with a general emphasis on lyrical meaning and musical interest rather than "catchiness" or pop appeal
>>62618233
definitely lost respect for them there, how could they possibly rate that shit so high
>>62615151
Role models don't mean shit.
Every problem in the black community boils down to their material conditions, which are entirely a holdover from racist policy.
>>62618066
That's absolutely false. The amount of black radicals who want an African American-only state is essentially trivial.
White nationalism is probably more prominent and dangerous to the stability of the US.
c a r l e s
https://web.archive.org/web/20150629103129/http://www.hipsterrunoff.com/2010/11/negrofication-pitchfork-and-death-white-mans-indie.html
When niggas on the moon was given 6.7 or whatever. How can they give Young Thug anything good, when something as dense and complex as NotM is panned?
When I found out this thing was the creator
>>62613534
oh yeah I remember that
>>62606887
This, that album was like 8.7
>>62610135
This album is a snorefest, horrid shit
>>62618489
pretty prescient
>>62614807
>Rock did it for about a decade or two.
Lol it's been longer than that my man.
>>62618024
I shouldn't have used pseudo, the wording by BLM activists are blatantly racially nationalist to the point of using "Black" as a proper noun but putting white in lowercase. They even call themselves nationalist here: http://blacklivesmatter.com/about/
2009
but painting with is still mediocre
OH NO THEY SOLD OUT ITS NOT INDIE ANYMORE!!!!!!
fucking faggots gave that shitty dancefolk one a 9
glad they posted that white people article to confirm ditching them was a good idea
>>62606939
> I yawn with such stretching intensity that I miss my turn light.
Probably that "2015 in Punk" article that literally only mentioned 2 punk bands
>>62620550
Did they find another terrible tranny punk band to circlejerk about? Against Me?
Either the 6/10 review of Universal Themes that they changed because Marky Mark destroyed that spoiled rich bitch blogger brat.
Or
The fucking 8.2 review of Down Colorful Hill
>>62618275
fuck off
>>62610135
This.
It seems like whenever Pitchfork hears a boring album from an artist coming off of a great one they artificially boost the score to not look like they don't "get it"
Nothing on Currents even gets close to a single track on Lonerism
>>62620806
Sup Kozelek?
Reminder that if you still read Pitchfork, you are just as bad as Ian Cohen
>>62618024
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ociMBfkDG1w
Are you white? If you are then you know whites don't act remotely like they are portrayed here, i.e. thinking Beyonce is white because she's a pop star let alone caring about people's race much at all. But if you go by the comments it's clear many blacks do think this is how white people think.
Black nationalism is the belief in strict racial divides and racial chauvinism. In BN's case usually blacks are if not outright physically and intellectually superior they are at least morally superior. Think of how classics nazis think of Jews. They don't doubt Jews are intelligent and crafty but assert that they are fundamentally malevolent in spirit/character. The Nation of Islam is a texbook example of this ideology.
The thing is though it probably wasn't a bunch of writers loaned from the Nation of Islam that wrote this sketch. It was a bunch of whites that think they are being "progressive" by acting like this. "Look at me I'm not racist, I portray whites are stupid, buffoonish, and inherently more racist/cruel than anyone else. Love me I'm liberal!" That's the pseudo. The people making and consuming this shit aren't true black nationalists but they ape them for some sad reason.
Jews and their hip hop fetish
