Just marathoned the first two tracks, is the whole album like this? When does it get good?
the first track is one of the best tracks of all time, so if you don't like it already you have a hard time ahead of you (I mean life, not the rest of the album)
It's better when you listen to it backwards
when you stop having terrible taste
never
This album just sounds horrible to me. Sounds like a bunch of random notes played with no rhythm.
I don't know what people see in it. Do you like it just because you think it's "different"?
>>61965250
Part of the beauty of the album is laughing at it, and then afterwards getting the music.
You probably won't "understand" all the tracks the first time through.
an open mind is a must to get this album.
It's like bizarro world music
>>61965250
>marathoned the first two tracks
>>61965250
It doesn't. It's garbage. Probably one of the most boring albums I've ever listened to. The instrumentation and production have most to do with my opinion on it.
>marathoned the first two tracks
>>61965598
keep listening to it, then you will get it.
You have to want to like it
I mustve listened to this 20 twenty times by now, and it still just sounds like shit
what am I doing wrong?
>>61965661
You keep listening to it like a mouse in a maze that keeps getting zapped over and over and not learning from your mistakes.
>Just marathoned the first two tracks
>>61965250
after about 20 revists
Newfags listen up. This album is a running joke, we get people to listen to this garbage by saying things like
>It's good you just have to listen to it again
>Lel you don't get it
>It took me 20 tries but it finally clicked
Don't be fooled and don't waste your time with it. Thank me later.
>All this high-and-mighty "I managed to like it", "You'll get it one day" talk
Get your heads out of your asses, there's nothing exceptional about this, it's just a tad weird.
it doesnt people just like acting like they have superior taste in music when they really just like being faggots
It's music for musicans.
>get high af
>fuck with a bunch of instruments
>mumble a bunch of gibberish
>call it avant-garde
>????
>profit
>>61965752
This is the stupidest thing I've read all day.
>when does it get good
Alright you little shit, let me tell you what the deal with TMR is. If you go in expecting to be blown away by crazy and beautiful music you'll be sorely disappointed. This album doesn't sound anything like the overproduced indie garbage your used to. It's not ethereal, it doesn't particularly envelope you, it's not an album from the 2000s that's for sure.
What you need is an open mind. Get rid of any expectations, any trolling and shitposting. Forget about scaruffi, forget about every dipshot on /mu/ who either said it's the best album ever, or worst album ever.
Listen to it and hear all the rhythms. Hear how the guitars overlap, or don't. Hear the bass and how it doesn't have anything to do with the rest of the song. Listen to Beefheart sing out of tune and out of sync with the band. Hear him pour his heart out into completely nonsensical lyrics. Listen as the guitar parts change tempo and key without flinching.
Think: someone recorded this and they thought it was good. Maybe you don't like it, that's fine. It wasn't recorded for you to like it. It exists. After listening to it several times the melodies will get stuck in your head. The bad will sound good. The nonsense will make sense, or at least you will think so. Embrace the contradictions. Embrace how off everything sounds.
>>61965794
This basically
>>61965727
Is Scaruffi in the joke too?
>>61965865
>1963 + 53
>Caring about critics
>>61965737
>stop liking what i don't like
>>61965250
It doesn't, OP. The album is a bad meme.
If you want a serious answer, Ella Guru is when the album first "clicked" for me. It's crazy, weird, chaotic music and if you don't like it, that's fine
>>61965250
>Just marathoned the first two tracks
post yfw you 'got' TMR
>memerap fan listens to a rock album for the first time
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>>61966084
I actually fucking hate this record but I really truly hope to one day appreciate its bullshit
>>61967190
I once thought it was trash and that "hurr durr just listen to it more" was a joke, but I got it about the third time I forced myself to listen to it. Not the best album I've heard, but pretty fun.
>FAST AND BULBOUS
>>61966908
>pretending to be an idiot.
I'm not. This album is actually bad
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>>61966780
thats literally the joke you retards.
>>61965250
the album is fantastic. from a technical stand-point it's outstanding. in terms of musicianship it's outstanding. in terms of pure, unfiltered originality and genius on behalf of Don Van Vliet, it's outstanding. In rock music there has never been anyone such a genius, and there may never be again. Don Van Vliet was just one of a kind. The type of person born once in a thousand years. He could have done anything and been a great, he just happened to want to play blues.
>>61967427
then you're one of the idiots already
>>61965805
is this the new copypasta
>>61965656
>You have to want to like it
....lol then it sucks. stop being a try hard.
>>61966802
>>61965805
You can literally apply this to any album ever.
Non-meme answer: It does get better the longer you listen to it. It's almost as if your ears are eventually able to hear past the shittiness of it and appreciate the songs underneath all of the noise. def not an album I can regularly go back on, but still interesting in that respect
>>61968036
>hurr durr anyone without my taste in music is an IDIOT
kill yourself.
>>61969849
name one
>>61965250
pic related is better
>>61970150
No seriously, if you don't like this album you literally do not appreciate music as an art form.
Buddy and I tripped while listening. Pena is the fucking bomb now
>mfw de/mu/sional posters worship this album to fit in when it's actually a piece of shit made by people who were doing way too much acid at the time
>>61970399
Your head is so far up your ass that you can now be rolled like a wheel
>>61965250
"marathoned"
damn man you're a pleb
>>61967307
Same exact thing. 3rd time was the charm, and it was THAT particular line that just clicked.
>>61971126
Why would you listen to an album three times when you didn't enjoy it the first two times?
>>61970150
if you don't like it, it's fine, but you called it bad, and that's objectively wrong.
>>61967391
I really want this to be a thing
>>61971310
It can absolutely be argued that TMR is a bad album musically.
Read the Wikipedia page for it
>>61965250
When I first tried to listen to this album I thought it was shit. Then I kept on listening and I still thinks it shit but I started to get used to it's smell, it's texture and it's disgusting nature. Trout Mask Replica is not album but rather the anti-album. The whole point of Trout Mask Replica and some of Captain Beefheart's other work is the fact that's it's horrible noises. The album is music stripped down to a primitive and mindless form. That's what makes it amazing. It's a very "naked" album. The album is moronic when you're listening to it but amazing in retrospect.
>>61971571
You know from an outside perspective it is immediately apparent that almost all of you enjoy this album to some degree because people on /mu/ or other people who you respect told you it was good and that you didn't initially enjoy it until other people told you that you should.
>>61971697
Actually I enjoyed it on my first listen. I was jamming and bobbing my head to Ella Guru.
The music is fucking crazy and insane and makes me feel like a madman while listening to it
>>61971722
The person I responded to said it was shit when he first listened to it, and he's not the only one in this thread who said that.
>>61971759
Have you never listened to a song or an album that you didn't like the first time, but gone back to it later and ended up loving it? That's a normal thing that happens.
Some of my favorite albums of all time I didn't care for at all when I first heard them
The whole thing is hilarious if you allow it to be.
Some knowledge of blues/rock and free jazz is recommended.
The drums are absolute madman-tier.
>>61971791
Hate is not equal to not liking.
Is this the only album worth listening to for Beef?
>>61971697
The same could be said of pretty much any music.
Everything is meme. Might as well live it up.
>>61971828
No, Safe as Milk is pretty good too
>>61971791
If you hate an album, a bunch of people tell you that it's good, listen to it again and still don't like it, see more people tell you it's good, then listen to it a third time and now you "like it" you probably just like it because other people told you to. That's a thing you know, an authority figure can make a person shift their perception of reality to align with that authority even if that sentiment didn't emerge in the individual in any organic manner.
>>61971834
>everything is a meme
Yeah man I don't subscribe to your generation z bullshit. Peppering an opinion with the word memes to trivialize the topic is not something I think makes any fucking sense.
>>61971879
I'm not trivializing the topic.
I'm just saying that the hype about pretty much any work of art could be viewed, as you say "from an outside perspective" as a bunch of people who don't know what they're talking about, parroting the opinions of people who sound like they do.
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>>61971843
i think strictly personal is really underrated and written off too easily because of the producer.
Trust us is a masterpiece
>>61971973
Yeah not to this degree and it has it's own absurd circlejerk here.
>>61972042
It's a fantastic album so it gets discussed a lot. Get over it.
>>61972077
No it's not. Most people here admit that they really disliked or even hated it on their first listen. No one who hates an album goes back to listen to it because they just felt like it, someone told them to do it or made them insecure for not liking it.
I see that on /mu/ all the time/.
From my outside perspective it is immediately apparent that most of you like this album because you were either told to, or made insecure for not liking it.
>>61972042
A lot of things about TMR are absurd.
It's like any music though.
You can listen to it and form an opinion about it.
And /mu/ memes a lot of acclaimed albums.
I discovered TMR before /mu/, so I just think it's a funny album with some interesting music on it.
Totally wasn't surprised to find out it was a meme on /mu/ though.
>>61972132
Back in the day, most people only kept listening to this album because Frank Zappa produced it. It's kind of the same effect, so I don't know why you're here hating on us
>>61972132
That's ridiculous.
If it is true, it's their fault for letting /mu/ bully them.
>>61972132
Indie /mu/ drones are insecure so they force themselves to like avant garde. It has nothing to do with the actual music.
>>61972180
>funny album
I really don't hear that concept applied to other albums or artists, it really feels as if that's another excuse for pretending to like a shitty album.
>>61972195
I'm hating on you because most of those same people pretend that liking this album makes them better than other people who don't.
What this does, is it perpetuates praise of an album that most of you only like because you are told to, the people that don't like an album that you admitted "I hated it the first time I listened to it", are now to be mocked because you got on the in crowd of people who will say they enjoy it while they didn't.
This board really feels like a cliquey high school with a bunch of people just being fake to fit in and it really is making me think that the majority of this board is actual high schoolers.
>>61972484
>I don't like it so theres no way anyone else could enjoy it
idiot
>>61972132
>No it's not. Most people here admit that they really disliked or even hated it on their first listen. No one who hates an album goes back to listen to it because they just felt like it, someone told them to do it or made them insecure for not liking it.
i assume that for many /mu/tants tmr was the first avant garde music after listening to indie rock, classic rock or top40 their entire lives. When you grow up thinking that this is what music has to sound like, of course you hate tmr.
I'm sure someone with a Jazz/Blues background has no trouble getting into trout mask replica after the first listen.
It's like alcohol, who really likes the taste of it the first time?
>>61972542
>It's like alcohol, who really likes the taste of it the first time?
me
>>61972484
>This board really feels like a cliquey high school with a bunch of people just being fake to fit in and it really is making me think that the majority of this board is actual high schoolers
That's 4chan in general.
I started browsing the site back in 2006 when I was 13 so yeah, a lot of people here are high schoolers. You can leave any time you want
>>61972484
I think your beef is more with /mu/, not the album.
>>61972484
>it really feels as if that's another excuse for pretending to like a shitty album
Well, it's not.
>>61972516
Oh you don't believe me anon, let me cite some posts in this very thread.
>>61965604
>Part of the beauty of the album is laughing at it, and then afterwards getting the music.
You probably won't "understand" all the tracks the first time through.
>>61965656
keep listening to it, then you will get it.
You have to want to like it
>>61965692
You keep listening to it like a mouse in a maze that keeps getting zapped over and over and not learning from your mistakes.
>>61965805
>After listening to it several times the melodies will get stuck in your head. The bad will sound good. The nonsense will make sense, or at least you will think so. Embrace the contradictions. Embrace how off everything sounds.
>>61967190
I actually fucking hate this record but I really truly hope to one day appreciate its bullshit
>>61970052
Non-meme answer: It does get better the longer you listen to it. It's almost as if your ears are eventually able to hear past the shittiness of it
>>61972516
There's my evidence. It's in every thread about the album. Do you see why I think this?
>>61972564
Sorry, it's not pretending, it's letting idiots on 4chan tell you what to like when they only like it because other people told them to. It's a hierarchy of memes and bad music.
Ive probably listened to this album over 20 times and it sounds just as bad every time. It's pretty far off of my preference of Sufjan like music so I don't think I'm missing out on much.
>>61972559
This topic is making me have a beef with /mu/. Criticizing people for not liking something that you liked because people told you is top shelf follower behavior.
>>61972767
Why would you listen to an album that didn't sound good 20 times?
If you feel the need to sperg out and rage at /mu/ because you don't "get" Trout Mask Replica and want to be part of the "secret club" then there's something wrong with you
Be confident in your tastes in music, and if you don't like an album, then you don't like an album. No need to force yourself to listen to something you hate
>>61972840
It's like you're too stupid to read my posts before you use your greasy fingers to type up a response.
>>61972778
Okay so go cry about it on reddit then? Retards droning something they obviously don't get has nothing to do with the quality of the music. Saying it's bad is still your own subjective opinion.
>>61972873
What makes you think I was responding to you? There was no quotation in that post
Calm the fuck down, anon, I meant it as general advice to anyone in this thread
>>61972926
>If you feel the need to sperg out and rage at /mu/ because you don't "get" Trout Mask Replica
Because that's literally him and he's insecure about it
>>61965794
>b-but they had to practice really hard
>>61965794
None of these things are true at all. All the people that played on that album were top class musicians, and the whole time they were writing they weren't allowed to do any drugs. He never really mumbles either.
>>61971259
To enjoy it the third time
>>61966908
thats not a photo of rene descartes you fool! Also Hobo Chang Ba is a banger
>mfw I enjoyed this album first listen and before I knew about the memes surrounding it
Haven't listened to it
>>61965250
It's a deconstruction of rock music that came out in '69. When rock music was still considered a burgeoning genre. And Beefheart reduced it to its primal elements and reassembled it in such a manner that makes you question why a rock album even "rocks" in the first place. The fact that this album was released in the same time-frame as derivative tripe like The Doors' Soft Parade is absolutely mind-boggling.
Even without this context, the micro-melodies and poetic banter are mesmerizing. It's disorienting and discomforting at first -- but give it enough time, enough conditioning, and you'll form your own context around this album to appreciate its uniqueness.
does anyone else find this album kind of hilarious? i mean not just in the lyrical content but in the composition itself?
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>>61965250
You need a basic understanding of what Dadaism and postmodernism are before you can really appreciate it
>>61973440
No, I agree. The fucking basslines are hilarious
>>61973253
This. I listened to TMR probably too much in middle school.
I don't really listen to it anymore.
>>61973440
Everything is suffused with humor.
Perhaps moreso than any Zappa album, which were nearly always tinged with political dystopia.
TMR is at once idyllic and filthy. It's the village idiot in album form. Equal parts endearing and repulsive.
