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Choral edition.
Post your favorite masses, requiems, lieder, etc.
>inb4 how do I into classical?
https://mega.co.nz/#F!mMYGhBgY!Ee_a6DJvLJRGej-9GBqi0A
https://mega.co.nz/#F!lIh3GRpY!piUs-QdhZACFt2hGtX39Rw
https://mega.co.nz/#F!Y8pXlJ7L!RzSeyGemu6QdvYzlfKs67w
https://mega.co.nz/#F!kMpkFSzL!diCUavpSn9B-pr-MfKnKdA
https://mega.nz/#F!ekBFiCLD!spgz8Ij5G0SRH2JjXpnjLg
https://mega.co.nz/#F!4EVlnJrB!PRjPFC0vB2UT1vrBHAlHlw
https://mega.co.nz/#F!ygImCRjS!1C9L77tCcZGQRF6UVXa-dA
https://mega.co.nz/#F!il5yBShJ!WPT0v8GwCAFdOaTYOLDA1g
https://mega.co.nz/#F!DdJWUBBK!BeGdGaiAqdLy9SBZjCHjCw
http://crudblud.sjm.so/
mozart's requiem blows my mind each and every time i listen to it. should i just start tackling wagner's shit or what's some more intense, almost ethereal coral music that's similar to requiem?
Most definitely this
https://youtu.be/laO7Zi6Zsm8
>>61942930
Requiem in D minor > C minor.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3MPVOLGzthA
It's like the original blackstar.
>>61942930
Also this, recording sucks though
https://youtu.be/eddN4Jey88M
And all other (vocal) works by Boulanger
>>61943009
>Requiem in D minor > C minor
That's just like... your opinion, man
Post composers you want to choke you in bed and call them daddy
I'll start
>>61942831
>unironically listening to Mozart
lel pleb
>>61942831
Try Haydn's masses, Beethoven's Missa solemnis, Brahms' Ein Deutsches Requiem, might as well try Buckner too if you like that stuff.
Which of these two would you chose if you had to
>>61943086
don't do that
>>61943258
*Bruckner
>>61943258
word
i liked beethoven's missa solemnis but it wasn't nearly on the same level as mozart's requiem
>>61943263
Fricsay because Hotter
>>61943086
>unironically shitposting this poorly
>>61943304
Verdi's requiem is my personal favorite. There are a ton of shitty recordings out there though, especially that messy BBC proms performance. Stick to Philharmonia Chorus.
opinions on edward elgar?
>>61943086
Further proof that Mozart is underrated.
>>61943526
bretty good for an englishman
Not my favorite but I'm liking it a lot
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b7G_0Hp-t6k
>>61943642
I can respect this
>>61942831
see >>61943258
>Ein Deutsches Requiem
>>61943086
See >>61943529
For you classical piano players out there, how do you learn new songs? I've started playing again, and I'm trying to find a good strategy to learn new songs and develop technique.
I think it's got to be a combination of muscle memory and learning how read music in a short hand manner. I've started looking at the chord progression and trying to develop the muscle memory for being able to play the notes on those chords without thinking and only look out for unconventional changes. It sounds like a good idea, but it feels pretty slow. How much time should I spend studying a piece before I start it?
Let's try this again.
http://strawpoll.me/6613080
>>61945086
>es ist genug
>avant
wut
>liebestod
>avant
uh... almost
>der mondfleck
>avant
just right :)
>>61945259
If it's avant enough for Berg it's avant.
>>61945268
yeah, just works that are historically avant, right? im a still go with schoenberg :)
>>61945359
I gotchu
yeah works that in their time were just crazy beyond the ambitions of their time.
I feel like Schoenberg is the best composed
Wagner is the most emotional
and Bach is the balance.
after all pretty sure that's the one with the palindrome+fugue yeah?
>>61945392
dunno but berg definitely quoted it in his violin concerto
Why is pre-Baroque music so underrated?
>>61946930
Maybe it won't be if people's gateway ensembles don't perform it like tramline music with puzzling choices of tempo, inflection and pitch.
>>61942780
The only large choral work I've liked all the way through is Poulenc's Gloria.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ReqsEqKtyyA
Solo voice stuff is where it's at though.
>>61946930
Elaborate.
>>61942831
>ethereal 'coral' music
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cz0ANH0KGwg
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cQRgf2CuLRY
>>61942780
I know you said "inb4 how to into classical" but like thats way too much music to choose from. What would you recc first?
>>61949582
Well, that depends on a lot of things. What have you heard that you like?
>>61949678
Only really Four Seasons, Ninth Symphony, Fur Elise, the stuff that everyone knows.
I also like the musique concrete-ish type classical or like the really creepy stuff where its like a ton of violins together and stuff and stuff. Also movie soundtracks while its not really all that much classical, songs like "Nature of Daylight" in Shutter Island or the stuff from The Shining.
>>61949827
Do you have any preference towards any instrumentions? Orchestral, piano, 4tet?
>>61949843
I guess stuff like 4tet ?
>>61949884
good choice, here a few sick ones (in somewhat chronological order)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S7JwmaBXf-Q
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4sxD9__FFU8
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SpbdODn75mk 4 parts
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UN4AX7peia4 you have to click part 2 if you wanna hear the whole thing
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_b_rwtDlUXA
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eJJiUeBx-IM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dUepDjGgUnc
sorry about the in parts recordings, its really hard to find 4tet recordings on youtube that dont suuuuuuuuuuuck diiiiiiiiiiiick aaaaaaaaaaahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
>>61945259
>es ist genug isnt avant
youre a fucking joke
>>61950081
Damn, that's a nice list. Not the anon that was asking but thanks anyways!
>>61950130
thanks, just off the top of my head
I write/study quartets a bit so im lucky he went with that
>>61950081
Thanks a lot man I really appreciate this
>>61950301
>>61950081
>>>61950301
The Stravinsky pieces are amazing.
>>61950909
Ya i know they're so interesting, i mean i guess thats why i love classical, especially kinda contemporary stuff in general
Obviously if you havent heard rite of spring go listen right now, also i really like these
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HfboeIra30A
that kids good at clarinet too
>>61942780
Zelenka is GOAT
>>61946930
N-no homophony
>>61949827
>Four Seasons
>Canon
Why is it that the shittiest works gets the most recognition? Why do the masses gravitate toward the worst of what the composers offers?
If you know the composers of those famous works, you should be able to seek out the better stuff yourself.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=khcUhxwUc18
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VPkWBbmV2FE
>>61950081
>>61950909
>>61951149
These are all super helpful guys, thanks!
>>61951149
I tihnk canon was popular just cause the harmonic sequence was so basic and easy to rip off
thats why like 1000 pop songs use it
could be wrong though
>>61950984
Yeah, besides Rite, Oedipus Rex and Symphony of Psalms, I don't know that much Stravinsky. He's growing on me though.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YIdimmUtYOI
does anyone know any classical similar to Animal Collective's early stuff like Here Comes the Indian?
Also is there such thing as electronic classical?
>>61951527
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c_JHjUFfOs8
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gp1v8GJ-rXo
Here's a good name if you're looking for electronic classical. Parmegiani died a few years ago though.
Stockhausen's Kontakte is a classic also. If you youtube search 'electroacoustic music' you'll find more.
just saw james ehnes perform Bartók's first sonata
followed by E flat Schubert trio
>>61951845
These are great, just what I wanted. Thanks a ton dude
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WrUrl8A7uuk
>people still haven't bought in the wuorinen belief system
>>61945086
>No Gesualdo madrigals
>No Stimmung
no dice
>>61953204
oh man i forgot about gesualdo as well, damn
I was just studying something of his what a coincidence
Can anyone recommend more music like this?
https://youtu.be/AYWvpPdQKd0?t=4m42s
please note the URL, as embedding it will not take you to the song I meant
>>61942780
Can someone explain the categories of those Mega folders? it's hard to know where to jump in.
I'm very new, looking for stuff like Relache by Satie.
http://youtu.be/RajAq0Yd-s4
http://youtu.be/xop5Bnfo4yc
http://youtu.be/EuV1JL8EgP0
http://youtu.be/D1QjkhENZg8
http://youtu.be/NCfhn0IZ6L8
http://youtu.be/J0KX_Wr_kAo
http://youtu.be/xOiycw4UQGA
http://youtu.be/VyREJRz8wNI
https://youtu.be/dIEih20lZkE
https://youtu.be/D6Y2e4CXg8s
https://youtu.be/fEzkj8v0fhQ
https://youtu.be/H2wyaRzuxcw
https://youtu.be/c_gcJc1MmCQ
https://youtu.be/WXsJmNENn2o
what are some artists that fuse classical and electronic?
>>61956159
deadmau5
now get out
>>61956483
haha such elitismfor a 19yo
Listen to this and reconsider
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q0h8BV1lNWE
>>61956527
Oh cool, it's like classical music for people who don't actually like classical music but want to feel like they do.
what should I do about learning to sing choral music (mostly sacred music, e.g. Gregorian Chant). Aside from joining a Church choir and getting some coaching, what can I do at home to get started? I have no musical training.
Do people even discuss and answer questions in this thread or just ask them? All i ever see is unanswered questions and when i refesh the thread after work it's already in the archive with more questions.
I know that a lot of fans get pissed when people ask for recommendations or ask where to start, but you have to expect that, and there's no reason why we also can't have discussions in between all that.
There are a ton of great links in OP but theres little context so it's going to be overwhelming for someone looking to get into classical music.
>>61956675
>what should I do about learning to sing choral music
You should kill yourself
>>61957140
yea but learn to sing choral music first so when meet JC at the pearly gate he won't send you to H E double hockey sticks because your voice will be so pretty and nice in his GOAT heaven choir.
>>61942780
>https://mega.co.nz/#F!lIh3GRpY!piUs-QdhZACFt2hGtX39Rw
I updated this folder
>>61955353
>I'm very new, looking for stuff like Relache by Satie.
It'd be cool to know also what did you like on Relache and your choice of instrumentation (like piano, orchesta, choir, quartet, etc.)
>Can someone explain the categories of those Mega folders? it's hard to know where to jump in.
As to where should you jump in, you should listen to the pieces that get posted in this thread and try to work from them. Also, asking for recommendations here is also a good idea.
Well, I can try to give a basic rundown of the categories.
>https://mega.nz/#F!mMYGhBgY!Ee_a6DJvLJRGej-9GBqi0A
>https://mega.nz/#F!lIh3GRpY!piUs-QdhZACFt2hGtX39Rw
>https://mega.nz/#F!kMpkFSzL!diCUavpSn9B-pr-MfKnKdA
These three have some stuff from the most popular artists and performers (I think)
I don't think that you can go wrong downloading some familiar names from there.
>https://mega.nz/#F!Y8pXlJ7L!RzSeyGemu6QdvYzlfKs67w
This one has not so known stuff and some of the pieces there could harder to get into if you haven't heard much art music. But I'm not so sure.
>https://mega.nz/#F!ekBFiCLD!spgz8Ij5G0SRH2JjXpnjLg
This is just some miscellaneous stuff, but still good pieces nonetheless.
And the other four are self-explanatory:
>https://mega.nz/#F!4EVlnJrB!PRjPFC0vB2UT1vrBHAlHlw
>Opera Videos
>https://mega.nz/#F!ygImCRjS!1C9L77tCcZGQRF6UVXa-dA
>Masses
>https://mega.nz/#F!il5yBShJ!WPT0v8GwCAFdOaTYOLDA1g
>Sacred Music
>https://mega.nz/#F!DdJWUBBK!BeGdGaiAqdLy9SBZjCHjCw
>Debussy
>>61957016
These threads don't see much activity, but in general this is one of the nicest placest to ask for recommendations. I have never seen someone getting bashed for asking for recommendations and people are in general rather nice.
>>61958262
Thanks dude!
requesting any sort of audio music lectures on history/theory i can listen to in the car or elsewhere
>>61958361
>Thanks dude!
Thank you, I don't really post here but I'm happy if someone can enjoy something in those folders
>>61958486
Do you have spotify? There is a series called "Classics Explained" that is pretty good. Got me into the 2nd Brahms Piano concerto.
>>61958488
These folders have always been my go to source of high quality classical, so I really appreciate the effort put into them.
>>61958528
Thanks! these lecutres seem like a good start.
but would you know any long lectures that cover different periods of music history or specific theory topics? i did 2 years of music study at uni and wanna refresh my memory and learn new things too.
>>61958528
oh wow, who would have thought google would actually find anything.
naxos apparently has whole cds covering music history. thanks though!
>>61958591
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5_yOVARO2Oc&list=PLyQ--WqhPCUIzVCkX4tgaR2E34lpWEB7U
I was recently listening to that one, but perhaps it's too basic for you,
>>61958610
No problem!
Anyone got a list of Wagner pieces? I want to get into him, but I've no clue where to start.
>>61958812
Listen to Tristan und Isolde first.
Bump
>>61958262
Papillons pls go
>>61943526
>>61943642
I'm a britbong, why did we never produce a truly great composer?
In poetry, theatre, the novel, art, architecture, we have guys who are up there with the best, but not really with music. Sure Britain had the money and population to produce a great composer but we never did. Why not? Or to put it another way, why did Germany, Austria, Italy and France produce so many?
>>61950081
>>61950430
Are you a conductor or something?
>>61958812
>I've no clue where to start.
Pro tip: don't.
>>61961450
You know the stereotype that opera is this vulgar spectacle plodding along with the speed and general appeal of hardened fecal matter through one's constipated innards?
Wagner is exactly like that except he's being for real.
>>61950081
>not posting Bartok quartet
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0667YvaVw9w
and es ist genug is certainly avant for its time. I just mean that avant is usually associated with modernism and shit around the middle of the 20th century, and in that category, pierrot lunaire and le marteau sans maitre definitely deserve a recommendation
Post countertenors
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pmt-ZpOA3Rc
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wD9z-7I7JV4
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WzV7ij_4ZiU
>>61942780
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=esvdSie_H4c
>>61942780
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PhcYvl0Cxh0
>>61960928
What about Vaughan-Williams, Purcell or Britten?
All three of them have produced many great works.
It is true though, there's a massive jump between Purcell's death and the works of Elgar or Stanford.
>>61960928
>thinks Shakespeare is "up there with the best"
>doesn't know that the only worthwhile English composer is Purcell
>literally the only composer that invented British Baroque
Just fucking let the mudslimes take over your country you stupid cuckold.
>>61962124
Well amuse me by naming better playwrights than Shakespeare. Go on. Any criteria you can think of.
>>61962830
>le iambic pentameter meme
>doesn't even need to set his play to music
>>61960928
I think it's because the musical tradition of the British Isles is in folk music rather than proper classical
original English things like ballad operas never took off outside of Britain and thus fell into irrelevancy
>>61963012
Incorrect. It's because Britain never bothered to develop their own musical identity. You have Germans (Handel, Telemann) and Italians (Geminiani, Matteis) working in London/the royal courts, making the "English Baroque" music a mixture of style from other cultures. It was until Purcell that first shaped Britain's musical identity.
>>61963192
Makes sense
still, you have to wonder why they insisted on bringing in foreigners, I bet it was those damned Hanovers
>>61962124
>doesn't think Shakespeare is up there with the best
>>61963385
It's the fucking retard monarchs. They love to cuck their national identity with foreign composer cocks.
>>61963424
Fedoralicious
Post-classical ok?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G_JiCbyARbI
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RiBE3bbkpa8
>>61956159
Tristan Murail, Brian Ferneyhough (See time and motion study ii)
Live electronics has become the new fad with contemporary composers so you're likely to find pieces for "instrument + live electronics" all over the place from composers in then last 20 years.
>>61960928
John Taverner, Byrd, Robert Fayrfax, Thomas Tallis
British music peaked at ~1550
Modern British composers are also pretty good. Ferneyhough, Britten, Finnissy, Birtwistle.
>>61963639
And Dowland
>>61956527
wow, bad!
>>61961606
haha i was gonna post bartok and i completely forget to be honest
>>61963664
yo rep downland all day, guys sick
>>61962965
>doesn't name a better playwright
I desperately need more like this.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VeeXab_N39s
>inb4 Mozart
>>61964114
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=udLiimbTxhQ
>>61963440
>their national identity
you mean German?
>>61964114
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4QYkM5QQCK4
theres piano versions too but like, fuck off
>>61964114
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eM3-FGHsT-E
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CMbxDygNgXU
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=szrZYOSW8-s
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IDbfCh6t_qI
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gtj0YJZAidU
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pPXbtKWoDU0
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lmMSuMgp-8g
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0_smqaAwleQ
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S7XN1eQliQk&list=PLDWOf4gdDMKEUaAtvrSQYkkXJod6j8JU8&spfreload=10
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MfuZL_RZwIw
in b4 >guitar
>>61964187
British Classical music: boring.
German Classical music: boring and disgusting.
>>61964208
>HIP meme
>>61964468
what?
>>61964468
>falling for the "historically informed performances are a meme" meme
>>61964590
I guess, i mean it wasnt written on a piano, alot of the compositional elements are obviously meant for harpsichord if you look at the score (or just listen to it). Dynamics controlled by note density etc
Its not like theyre just replacing a piano with a worse older piano, its a different instrument.
>>61964652
>meme'd so hard that you forgot that whatever you're memeing isn't actually a meme
>>61964784
>Using meme as a verb
>>61964784
im not even following anymore
anyway, your free to listen to as many "chopin nocturne X arranged for piano and (solo instrument Y)" videos as you like.
>>61964826
Oh so you're confused by the memes and actually agreeing with me
>>61964844
That could be the case family
>>61964652
part of the baroque tradition is arranging pieces for other instruments. Bach did it with his harpsichord concertos (some were originally for violin). The piano is much more available than the harpsichord and has a similar playing style so it's natural that pieces would be played more on piano than harpsichord. And dynamic elements are usually up to the performer (although there are some traditions) due to the improvisational nature of baroque music.
>>61964911
I don't disagree, I know bach wrote agnostically most of the time. I've played that partita on piano lots cause thats what i have, however I still think its pretty obviously best on harpsichord, and I think that notion goes beyond my personal taste.
>>61964911
>part of the baroque tradition is arranging pieces for other instruments
>Bach did it and that means any other Baroque composer did it as well
>The piano is much more available than the harpsichord and has a similar playing style
>hey man I know the pieces are SPECIFICALLY written for harpsichord but I"m still going to insist that it makes no difference (or even better) to play the piece on a goddamn Steinway
>And dynamic elements are usually up to the performer (although there are some traditions) due to the improvisational nature of baroque music
>nevermind the fact that Baroque musicians incorporated varying dynamics into their writing, not their performances
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>>61964911
honestly if they dont arpeggiate those first few chords of the Cm partita I just turn it off
>>61964986
>hey man I know the pieces are SPECIFICALLY written for harpsichord
>Clavier-Übung
>Clavier
>>61965098
I'm talking about the Scarlatti sonatas you memer
Also
>implying Bach could've been referring to any other "clavier" than the harpsichord/organ
>shiggydiggy
>>61965129
>>implying Bach could've been referring to any other "clavier" than the harpsichord/organ
>implying this matters
>>61965215
>implying this memer knows how Bach wants his music played better than Bach
>authenticity meme
http://www.tureckbach.com/publication-documentation/page/bach-myth-authenticity
>>61965129
>implying Bach could've been referring to any other "clavier" than the harpsichord/organ
see >>61965259
>One powerful projectile that contributed to the expansion of this fissure was the publication in the Polish periodical 'Muzyka', 1967, of incontrovertible evidence that Sebastian Bach was associated with the piano to the extent that he was selling them. The discovery of a receipt of the sale of a Silbermann pianoforte to Count Branitzky, signed unmistakably by Bach certified this as fact.
>>61965259
>woman author
>implying we haven't done this before
>>61965259
can i get a tldr on this please, jeez man
>>61965307
>piano as we know today = the fortepiano
>>61965310
>animeme
>memesogyny
>HIP meme
>>61965344
>memeing this hard
>tfw bach is terrible and you never cared about anything related to him and like watching autistic fucks fighting over his carcass and his aural coprolites with the contempt of watching flies jitter over shit
>>61964986
>>61964986
>Bach did it and that means any other Baroque composer did it as well
Scarlatti, Sylvius Leopold Weiss, Handel, Corelli and Vivaldi were all known for arranging their works.
>hey man I know the pieces are SPECIFICALLY written for harpsichord but I"m still going to insist that it makes no difference (or even better) to play the piece on a goddamn Steinway
they're "keyboard" sonatas. It is certainly different to play a Scarlatti sonata on a steinway than on a harpsichord but there were many different types of harpsichords back then too. Subtle timbral differences were not really something baroque composers nitpicked over. it's not objectively better though just because it's played on an authentic harpsichord. There are many ways of playing a piece of music and not one "correct" way.
>nevermind the fact that Baroque musicians incorporated varying dynamics into their writing, not their performances
yeah bach used "piano" and "forte" and other expressive markings but that doesnt mean the performer didnt add their own dynamics and form their own interpretation.
>>61965390
>hey ma look, I can use a thesaurus!
>>61965390
i dont think that even qualifies as bait anymore
>>61965415
>harpsichord vs piano
>subtle timbral differences
>>61965421
>bach fans
Neither "aural" not "coprolite" are thesaurus words. You should be familiar with the first just by virtue of being in this thread.
>>61965415
>Weiss
What? That's news to me.
>but that doesnt mean the performer didnt add their own dynamics and form their own interpretation.
Yeah I forgot to put "not *only* in their performances".
>>61965469
>hey ma look, I'm trying to appear smarter on an Ethiopian donkey fisting online club by using unnecessarily obscure words!
>>61965505
>Ethiopian donkey fisting online club
A company Bach himself would no doubt enjoy. Not to mention find its general aesthetic wholly compatible with the stereotypical German soundscape.
Post Bach on superior instruments
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N2c6AFlb4x4
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xby0P4YVYaQ
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1GXHjxvSi24
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZfJhoBHCmHw
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4y9NBwtKffI
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4y9NBwtKffI
I've almost completely given up on jazz and electronic music and only listened to classical for almost 2 years. Now my friend who's been very into Frank Zappa, The Residents and Kraftwerk starts to understand why popular music is such a piece of shit and keeps enjoying my music more and more. I wish everyone was as clever as him.
>>61965467
YOU qualify as bait. Queerbait.
>>61965617
Listen here you little shit
>>61965836
>TL;DR with worst grill
I'm trying to write a short and simple string quartet for a class. Would it be wise to start writing chorale style and figure out the chords and voice leading before making the lines interesting?
Did anyone else notice Messiaen's Fete des Belles Eaux in The Revenant?
it was during the horse carcass scene. It was probably the most patrician I've ever felt in regards to /class/
>>61967012
Now I got see this movie
>>61965467
you can make a harpsichord sound "piano-like" and sustained and in the same way you can make a piano sound "harpsichord-like". It just takes a certain technique. They're still playing the same notes (unless the harpsichord is tuned A = 415Hz)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kn3q2_Bq_cs
Harpsichord is still cool though
honestly, i like schubert as much as anybody, but how fucking overrated is symphony no. 8 'unfinished'? i'm sure schubert himself gave up on composing it further because he knew it wasn't up to scratch!
symphony no. 9 is a masterpiece though.
>>61967062
Harpsichord is goat,
Rameau, Couperin, and Scarlatti are the Holy trinity of the Baroque Harpischord tradition desu desu senpai
>>61967230
>2 Frenchies
>no Germans
>no Englishmen
Also Rameau's suites for viola da gamba is substantially better than his koeboard works
>>61967278
Rameau and Couperin's keyboard works are better than anything Purcell or Handel ever composed for instrument.
also
>English
>composers
>>61967230
hell yeah. I've been learning tambourin, Les Barricades Mystérieuses and sonata k. 209, 222, 322 and 377 on guitar
>>61967385
>who is Pachelbel
>who is Arne
Also
>Handel is German
I kek'd. Handel is shit.
>>61967477
>when I read Arne as Ame
>>61956159
Gabriel Prokofiev (he's a hack like all Electronic+Classical composers though)
any recs from those links for someone relatively new to classical? the only legitimate suite i've listened to is the Planets (i enjoy jupiter the most).
>>61942780
>https://mega.co.nz/#F!il5yBShJ!WPT0v8GwCAFdOaTYOLDA1g
Pardon my ignorance, but what the fuck do I do with the .ape filetype that the Leiden Choirbooks uses? None of my audio file converters recognize it, nor does Foobar.
>>61968137
https://www.foobar2000.org/components/view/foo_input_monkey
>>61968197
Thanks so much.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w_Gk-ZphMzI
What's wrong guys? Suddenly I don't care for Beethoven much
>>61969083
You grew out of your emo phase
What was the last opera you listened to?
>>61970237
Lizzie Borden by Jack Beeson
>>61970237
Orlando Furioso by Vivaldi
>>61970237
falstaff
>>61969083
you are now a grown up
>>61944930
You are totally over-thinking the process. You have to learn the notes before you can make your interpretation. Break it up into smaller and smaller sections at first. As you learn the piece, combine those sections together. Once you can play the notes, work on style/expression.
Efficiency in reading music comes with practice. Over time, familiar phrases present themselves and intuition will hint at where you should go on the keyboard.
It's probably better to learn the notes before you listen to other interpretations of a piece. Why? Players have a tendency of emulating another's phrasing, which might be incorrect according to the actual music.
>>61969109
>>61970818
Yeah, thanks
>>61970982
thank yourself
>>61971014
Thank Mozart senpai
>>61970982
You'll come back to him after your rediscovered Bach stage, however. Provided you live long enough.
>>61965617
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xvuYNHEwclE
>>61971705
Kek
>>61970958
I just feel like when I read the notes the whole piece eventually turns into muscle memory. Not only does that take a long time, but I feel like I'm not really improving in general.
What is some classical approved skiing music?
>>61972302
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vnvuMc_4pvg
>>61971705
>Fugue in G minor for 2D, BWV 578
Just think about the possibilities Bach would have today if he was still alive
Bach would make animu great again
>>61955608
This absolutely blew me away when I first heard it (when Alex Ross linked it on his blog). Stile Antico is so great.
>>61963664
Wasn't Dowland Irish?
Anyway, and:
Arnold Bax
John Ireland
Ralph Vaughan Williams
Cyril Scott
Bach would probably give up if he ever lived to hear Beethoven to be honest.
>>61972682
>>61963639
>>61960928
https://archive.rebeccablacktech.com/mu/thread/S56447325#p56450234
>>61974500
>Handel
>mid tier
>>61974500
>Handel
>not poo-in-loo disgusting tier
Everyone knows the best English composer is Brian Ferneyhough.
>>61973992
what would Bach do if he lived to hear the Beatles
>>61974991
kill himself probably
>>61974991
He would burn them for being witches.
>>61973992
No he wouldn't. His harmony and counterpoint well exceeded Beethoven's He'd be well impressed with young Ludwig's work though.
>>61974500
>No contemporary composers save PMD. No Holst. No Delius. No Bax. No Britten. No Tippet. Missed plenty others like Tavener , Finnissy, Ferneyhough and Ades.
>>61974991
Laugh and incorporate their melodies into his sacred music. He loved taking popular tunes of the day and doing that.
>>61975519
You can clearly see Britten in low tier.
Most others aren't really worth mentioning save Ferneyhough too.
>britbongs glorifying their mediocre early 20th century composers in every thread now
how many hacks does it take to kill the /classical/
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iMXAJN2aKsg
>>61976260
it's just harmless memeing m8. but Harrison Birtwistle, Thomas Adès, George Benjamin, Rebecca Saunders, and Tim Hodgkinson are all good contemporary English composers.
I just found Arvo Part's Passio on vinyl. Feels good man
>>61950430
Who published this version of Rite of Spring? Looks pretty amazing, I want one
Rec me solo Piano works like Debussy's Suite Bergamasque or Satie's Gymnopedies
>That descending 4th 7th chord progression in the rhythm of Satie's Gymnopedie 1 tho
The melody makes it even better
>>61977452
Louriye's piano music
>>61977310
looks like it could be Dover. unless there's another version with "la danse" by henri matisse on the cover. I have a similar edition.
Good morning /classical/
>>61978895
Morning lad
>tfw I can't seem to find a good lossless torrent for Rachmaninov's prelude in g minor by Gilels
https://youtu.be/9idfQVkqKyw
This particular performance is so amazing. I can't find it on what or waffles (not that I ever find anything on waffles). Anyone have any idea where I could find any lossless performance of Rachmaninov's prelude in g minor by Gilels?
>>61979498
apologies, i did find a performance on a torrent on what.cd
it's Historic Russian Archives: Emil Gilels Edition [2005] for anyone interested
>Andante con moto assai vivace quasi Allegretto ma non troppo
>>61980432
Every time I read andante con moto I think of Schubert's second piano trio
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e52IMaE-3As
I'm going to Scotland in a few months and would like to transcribe some Scotish folk music. Having absolute pitch would be really helpful.
Does anybody have some advice on how to train absolute pitch? How long will it take? (I have good relative pitch and I don't want to screw that up)
>>61981006
this thread still going?
>>61981513
Nah
>>61981591
just checking because i went to work, got a full nights sleep and decided to check. how long is this thread going until?
>>61981861
Probably until bump limit, seeing that we got a surprising amount of activity.
>>61981892
Cool i need something new for my commute this morning.
>>61981006
Absolute Pitch isn't really something you can train past a young age. Most people that have it, have it from a very young age.
The best thing you can do is train relative pitch which revolves around knowing how specific intervals or chords sound and working from that. This is definitely something you can train, but it's not a quick process and is mainly done by singing/listening to intervals again and again until the sound they make is ingrained in you head. Some (major/minor third, perfect 4th/5th, Octave) are easier than others, but the end goal is that you can sing or note down a melody based purely upon the intervals between notes. You will have to guess at the starting pitch, but it's really not as important as knowing the relation between the notes of the melody
My relative pitch has improved a lot over the past few years because I do a lot of singing. Most of that has been 'passively' picked up from the amount of sight-singing I do, so if you actually dedicate time to it, it might come more quickly. But unless you really have the aptitude, I'm not sure how much you'll achieve in a few months. It's still a really useful skill to have though, so worth trying anyway.
Where are you going in Scotland, out of interest?
>>61982175
>Absolute Pitch isn't really something you can train past a young age
Sorry, bur that's not true. I know many people who learned it in their twenties
>but the end goal is that you can sing or note down a melody based purely upon the intervals between notes
I can do that already but it's just not as quick and effective as absolute pitch
Thanks anyway though
Oh, and I'm going to Scotland with my parents, for vacation. One last holiday before I'm off to Uni.
>>61982692
>Sorry, bur that's not true. I know many people who learned it in their twenties
How? Would you kindly share which methods did they use?
Can I get some recommendations for GOAT classical with snare drums?
>>61982692
Well as a Scot, I'm not sure where you're expecting to find 'folk music' that isn't already available online in some form. Are you transcribing for practice or are you trying to seek out songs only known by some crofter living on the Outer Hebrides?
>>61982692
>Researchers have been trying to teach absolute pitch ability in laboratory settings for more than a century, and various commercial absolute-pitch training courses have been offered to the public since the early 1900s. However, no adult has ever been documented to have acquired absolute listening ability, because all adults who have been formally tested after AP training have failed to demonstrate "an unqualified level of accuracy... comparable to that of AP possessors".
What are the odds of you meeting all these scientific marvels?
>>61982718
>>61982916
From what they've told me, they just keep repeating a note on a piano and try to sing that. Play a note, walk away and keep trying to sing this note. Let some time pass and try again. If you can't sing it anymore, go back and get your note again. Repeat this over a few weeks until you can sing this note without a reference. Also, try to spot your note when you're listening to music. Now move on to the next note. Repeat this process with all of them.
I also found this guide, explains the process pretty well. It's gonna take a lobg time and is really tedious but it might work:
http://m.wikihow.com/Get-Perfect-Pitch
>>61982882
For practice, mostly
>>61982813
Bartok, Concerto for Orchestra 2nd movement
>>61982916
Also, the studies (and training courses) you are referencing probably weren't long-term enough. For aome people, this can apparently take years to learn.
>>61983274
What you are describing is pitch labelling, not absolute pitch.
http://www.zainea.com/absolpitch.pdf
>>61982916
Oh, and the site you pulled your quote from also says this:
"Perfect pitch means being able to recognize and recall musical tones.
Naming notes is merely the most obvious consequence of absolute pitch ability. If someone taught you note-naming and said "You now have absolute pitch!" I consider that equivalent to teaching you to recognize and say all the Chinese letters and telling you "You now know Chinese!" The ability to name and recall notes is an interesting party trick, but musically irrelevant."
This is really stupid. If you can name and recall notes, transcribing will become a lot easier.
>>61983428
Doesn't matter, works just as well for my purpose. See:>>61983429
>>61983429
>Being unable to turn it off, many possessors of AP perform dramatically poorer at judging whether a melody and its transposed counterpart are the same, a task that non-AP musicians accomplish with ease.
I suspect that since the only time absolute pitch is really demonstrated is in a musical sphere where the person has developed musicianship in tandem with their sense of pitch, it can be difficult to tell where the AP stops and the person's musical ability begins.
But either way, there is a lot of writing on the subject and the bottom line is that AP is not really something you can learn at this point in life. Relative pitch is a lot more important for a person's development as a musician since it forces you to engage with theory.
And if you're looking to transcribe folk music (which gets transposed all over the place depending on the performance) it's a lot more important that you get the tune than obsess over getting that one starting note right.
>>61983638
Eh, you're probably right.
Knowing your shit is more important than having absolute pitch anyway.
R...right?
>>61983816
Without a doubt
>>61983638
I know a few people with absolute pitch that get fucked over whenever listening to or performing anything in 415Hz or in any other tuning system than well-tempered.
Relative pitch is much nicer to have I find.
>>61977452
Ravel's piano music.
Looking forward to Manze conducting the SCO with Piemontesi next week. Two Beethoven overtures and then Mozart piano concerti 25+26. I've not been to a live Mozart piano concerto performance in about a year, so it'll be nice to get along.
What're some good recordings of Bach's violin concertos?
>>61965622
I work at a factory, almost 2 months ago they started playing the radio over the PA system, and it's LOUD! the things these stations play range from top 40 hits any where from the 1970s to current.
One thing i have noticed is that they build their sound design their sounds so that none of their instruments are even capable of interacting with one another harmonically. being subjected to this is improving my enjoyment of well-written music.
it's like would you rather drive a russian made car that someone just threw together because they have to meet quota for the week and it's close enough to resemble a car, or would you rather use a finely engineered bmw where people dedicate their entire life and learning to it? (bwv 1001? 1060? 565?)
>>61984981
its on soulseek
>>61960928
I think it's because maybe you're looking in the wrong direction
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gmi38yLKXJk
why the fucc did composers avoid maj7 chords until satie
they sound so good
>>61986588
Bach in his first prelude
>>61986608
I know senpai, and that's my favourite part of the prelude. It's beautiful and cathartic, I have no idea why composers would avoid that sound,
>>61984981
ye olde meme
>>61986684
Academia bullshit
Which is why I love the French impressionists/modernists
They disregarded the rules and were open to new forms of harmony, but managed to remain faithful to the French tradition.
>>61986020
I almost auditioned for a G&S production this year.
Thankfully I realised that I probably couldn't do the performance tipsy (since that's how I get through/enjoy most of them) and I got offered a soloist part in Messiah, so I'll learn that instead.
How do I write beautiful slow movements?
>>61987012
Oh, did you? What opera were they doing. (Also, it's generally better to do any performing sober)
>>61987263
Yeoman of the Guard.
I've played in the orchestra for a couple of G&S productions, but singing is my main thing anyway. And the drinking was to get through the G&S performances I promised people I'd come to see since it helps to appreciate the campy-twee side a bit more. I don't drink before performing.
I don't get involved with them through a combination of not liking the majority of people that make up the G&S society and not being a huge fan of the music. In my experience, there are one or two moments in G&S operettas that I really enjoy, but the rest is rather boring.
>>61980432
>Spiritoso
>>61987259
Don't aim for a beautiful movement on your first shot, as Brahms said:
"You must learn how to work. You must write a lot, day after day, and not think that what you are writing always has to be something significant. As far as songs go, you will write many songs before a usable one emerges."
Is the Guarneri Quartet underrated? I think so
