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I think I'm in love.
It's a fun piece but it doesn't hold up in comparison to the works of his contemporaries. Holst wrote better. Look up his choral works.
>>61797314
Thanks, will do.
>>61797314
Wrong on both counts really. None of his contemporaries wrote much like it so there is little comparison with them and much as I like his choral, symphonic and operatic works this is still clearly the pinnacle of his composing career.
speaking of deutsche grammophon can anybody upload or direct me to an upload of prokofiev's peter & the wolf with the narration by sting? all I can find is a shitty youtube rip, and in some cases the video (I just want the audio).
aye, I own that exact same vinyl
>Romantic English music
Not even once
>try to listen to classical
>get bored and listen to rap instead
this happens every time
>>61797442
What makes it unique?
>>61798484
>English Classical at all
Not even once
>>61798484
>being this much of a pleb
What 'Thoven stuff should I listen to besides symphonies, string quartets and piano sonatas?
Can someone uploud this album?
There are classical music that seems to be "fragmented" and classical music that is more "constant" and "flows" better. Does this make any sense to you?
I really like the latter, the "continuous" classical music. A good example is this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6JQm5aSjX6g
Is there a term for this subgenre or am I looking too much into things?
Does anyobody know what composers do music like this?
>>61799374
https://www.mediafire.com/folder/xdooekux7n25t/missa_prolationum
best I can do, i think it's only part of it though
>>61799370
The missa solemnis, violin sonatas, and piano trios.
>>61799491
baroque music in general (bach, scarlatti, handel, etc.) tends to be fairly continuous. usually a piece starts out with a theme that then gets heavily ornamented and elborated upon. themes will appear over and over again in different voices, giving the impression of familiarity to the listener.
>>61798912
Name one thing the English romantics did better than their continental counterparts.
>>61799537
Sweet, thank you for being so kind.
>>61797175
>look at RYM
>mainly just a thousand different versions of The Planets
shit, was that all the guy did?
>>61799757
of you have a slsk account, a couple of users have that exact album shared. Not very fast speeds, but it's exactly the version from the picture.
>>61799621
Great, that's exactly what I was looking for.
Is there a technical term for this? Or people call it "continuous" like I did?
>>61800094
"Baroque"
>>61799374
Closest I could find on rutracker
http://rutracker.org/forum/viewtopic.php?t=1397887
>>61800127
Thanks.
>>61800094
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fortspinnung
>>61800300
Nice. The study of music is interesting.
>>61798623
First off, it was originally written for two piano players, but the orchestral version obviously became the more recognized version. To perform The Planets, it is a big task in general due to the instrumentation required made up of:
>4 flutes - 3rd doubling on first piccolo and 4th doubling on second piccolo and the alto flute
>3 oboes - one doubling on bass oboe
>1 English horn
>3 Bb and A clarinets
>1 Bb Bass Clarinet
>3 bassoons
>1 contrabassoon
>6 F French Horns
>4 trumpets in C
>2 Trombones
>1 Bass Trombone
>1 Euphonium
>1 Tuba
>1st violins
>2nd violins
>Violas
>Cellos
>Double basses
>2 Harpists
>1 celesta
>1 Pipe organ
>Percussionists that require 6 timpani (2 players), snare drum, bass drum, triangle, cymbals, glockenspiel, xylophone, tubular bells, tam-tam, tambourine
>Female choir (out of sight - meaning in a different room) for Neptune
so in summary, a huge symphonic orchestra. The pieces themselves are pretty original and pretty involved and unique within themselves. The overall piece does not have any comparison with the music that was being composed in its time both in theme/structure, not that it is the most complicated music in the era either.
The Planets is the one of the more influential music to film composers. More obvious is John Williams who uses a lot of cues from Holst.
>>61800550
Is it very nuanced like Baroque music then? The large set of instrumentation kinda reminds me of Mass In B Minor, and I have been looking for art music that does Baroque level huge and nuanced but in a more modern sense hoping the evolution in theory/lack of theory adds something to it. Is this what I am looking for?
What piece do ya'll have the most number of different versions of?
>>61800136
I cobbled it together from the complete edition and the motets from slsk
https://mega.nz/#!b0JB0LBZ!ylbG5M4C8lZZGt93bP9c__u0_5tYpPQcoM1ne1fCqGM
The Musica Ficta one you linked from rutracker is actually quite a great performance as well. Fantastic sense of rhythm and tempo, you can rally feel the different lines trying to tear the music apart in the openings of Kyrie I, III, Credo and Osanna.
Reminder that Neptune is the best
>>61799661
Easy listening music for plebs, that's what
>Britbongs btfo
>>61798484
? english folk tunes are my fetish
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ReDmu6x0GSU&list=PLCB4D9B16587D63F6&index=2
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=munzP452Is0
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8nxaNJCfGCo
>I'll never be a Scotsman in a foreign land singing yearningly about his blissful youth
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FPz64DX8Mus
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P26i_g_RjE4
>>61799661
Henry Purcell was fundamental to the progression of Opera.
>>61802467
>Name one thing the English romantics did better than their continental counterparts.
>English romantics
>romantics
>>61800616
This is very large and nuanced. It has large instrumentation and flows smoothly. Holst and Copland both have a modern and smooth sound that you may be looking for.
>>61802710
My bad, I was referring to >>61798714. I meant to reply to his comment. However, English Romantic music isn't totally devoid of good achievement.
>>61798714
English 10/10 composers:
Britten
Byrd
Delius
Elgar
Handel
Holst
Purcell
JC Bach
Smyth
Sullivan
Tallis
Tippett
Williams
Walton
German 10/10 composers:
Beethoven
Mendelssohn
Bach
Brahms
Strauss
If I'm already getting into jazz, should I start listening to classical too? Would I hold the risk of becoming one of those le classical et le jazz people?
>>61803530
listen to whatever you want, man
>>61803530
>If I'm already getting into jazz, should I start listening to classical too?
Listen to something because you enjoy it, there's absolutely no other reason to do so.
Stop with this self-consciousness.
Also, why do you say "already getting into jazz"? What does that "already" mean? Get lost with this elitist mentality and treat music accordingly.
>>61803479
>Handel
>English
>Elgar
>Holst
>Sullivan
>10/10
Top meme
>>61803479
Great list. I would include Sobraji and Sullivan as well.
>>61803655
Sullivan is already there.
>>61803530
Is this a recommendation post? What jazz do you like already?
>>61803530
If you enjoy it go for it. I reccomend Nixon in China and The Threepenny Opera. They have jazz influences and are very enjoyable. Saxophone and other jazz instruments are used in both.
>>61803672
I missed it. Good choices still.
>>61803644
Brits set looser standards for themselves, they can't help it when their native culture base is so shit
>>61803479
Literally just a list of the only notable English composers that radio 3 plays, get rid of the 10/10 and it would be a good list.
On the German side you're missing
Schumann
Weber
Wagner
>>61804099
This. Both sides have good composers and there is too much rivalry.
>>61802748
Aight cool shit time to do some listening then thank you!
>>61804358
You're welcome. For Copland, Rodeo is good (particularly the section "Hoedown").
The Russians also deserve love.
>>61804400
Yes. Prokofiev, Tchaikovsky, Khachaturian and Shostakovich are all good. They get love though. The Czechs are really underrated.
>>61804448
Which Czechs do you find good?
>>61804471
Dvorak, Janacek and Smetana. Do you have any favourite composers?
>>61804471
The dubs, the trips, the quads, list goes on
>>61804471
Janáček, Dvořák, the list goes on...
Zelenka was Czech too I think, Vanhal too but he's a CLT meme.
>>61804575
Oh, didn't know Dvorak was Czech.
I have no favourite composers. I've started listening to classical music for real just a couple years ago. For now I just have composers I mostly like or dislike.
With due time I expect to acquire more taste and have some that stood out for me.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CDSeqqEN9Rg
can anyone recommend something similar to this?
>>61804637
See>>61803695. John Adams actually had Shostakovich/ Soviet era jazz as an inspiration due to its involvement in agitprop.
>>61804448
>Khachaturian
>Russian
>>61805000
He was prominent in the Soviet Union so I included him. He was Armenian however.
Just got into New World Symphony and American Quartet, what's some other essential Dvorak?
>>61805255
Cello concerto in B minor and Rusalka.
This board has such a simplistic, childish view of classical music. Stop comparing composers that write different music while claiming your opinions are objective facts.
>>61805680
Give me one piece of evidence that I'm not the only sentient life in existence, therefore making all my opinions facts.
>>61806766
I don't think you are.
>>61805680
>implying the rest of /mu/ and 4chan aren't like that as well
I hope you're enjoying your first day here.
>>61805680
It's just nationalists fighting over music. Everyone should just accept that music evolved in different areas and times and the only periods are subjectively best and do not represent the fullest extent to which they helped to change the history of music.
>>61803479
More than half of those are of German descent, and JC and Handel are Kraut imports
>>61803479
I know this is bait, but
>Walton
Explain yourself.
Holy hell, Bartok was a really good pianist. For some reason I wasn't expecting that.
>>61803479
>No Taverner, Fayrfax, Ferneyhough, Finnissy, Birtwistle
>No Wagner, Mendelssohn, Schumann, Schubert, Weber, Froberger, Schutz, Stockhausen, Hindemith, Henze, Lachenmann, Rhim.
Both countries full of great composers over the years.
English wins for renaissance,
Germany wins for Baroque
Germany wins for Classical
Germany wins for Romantic
Tie for 20th century / contemporary
>>61804471
dont forget Martinů, Nelhýbel, Kabeláč, Pavel Haas, Fibich, Novak, Dussek and Tomasek. All fairly underrated.
>>61804637
Martinu's "le Jazz"? Darius Milhaud?
>>61808232
He didn't just magically make mikrokosmos not knowing anything about piano. Like most composers, piano was his main instrument that he wrote at and was very comfortable playing well.
Bruckner's scherzos are GOAT
>>61808232
he played his own works very well too. very valuable document next to prokofiev, medtner, rachmaninov, saint saens, busoni, godowsky etc.
>tfw no acoustic scriabin recordings
>>61808232
GOAT Kreutzer in my opinion.
>>61809470
Yeah, that is a real damn shame. At least there are the piano rolls, I suppose. But it seems a lot of people don't trust those.
What do people think of Sulek?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Whg_WvnvmZg
Zzz
>>61808531
>Schubert
>German
Jesus christ poly
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xT0MF4XNjkA&t=15m6s
15:06
You guys hear Mackey's Wine Dark Sea before?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GyvcDPuUzO4
It's probably one of the only pieces I like for wind orchestra.
>>61797175
who played his first or second military suite in highschool here? They're probably the best pieces of band literature I've played
>>61813543
Yeah, same here. Had fun hammering a break drum for the Blacksmith's song in the second suite
What is your favorite modern classical composition? My pleb pick is the Rite of Spring.
>>61797314
I agree.
The planet suite is fanatastic, but I think that Holst wrote many other pieces just as good if not better than are sort of buried.
>>61798484
>Not liking Elgar
>Not liking Ralph Vaughan Williams
Granted, their good works are highly selective, but they're around for sure. The cello concerto, and lark ascending alone are great pieces.
>>61799491
Fugal music and music that relies on basso ostinato often gives that impression. Keep looking through baroque music and you'll probably find more.
That said, symphonic poems / program music might also work for you since they're generally much longer orchestral pieces of one movement
>>61800664
>getting different versions of the same piece.
Nah. But I do try and see as many versions as possible before buying anything, it's a hard call usually. That said, I know to pretty much always side with Karajan and Bernstein recordings, and I know my pantheon of soloists well enough to buy one definitive version.
I'd only ever buy violin music from perlman, ehnes, heifetz, or vengerov probably. Piano'd probably by Argerich, Hamelin, Barenboim, and glenn gould.
Seems like it'd be a waste of money to buy multiple recordings unless you were really aware of big differences ahead of time.
>>61803479
>no Ralph vaughan williams
>no Mahler
Nigga why?
>>61803530
Who gives a shit. If you're afraid of being judged for liking old music then you're a fag. You'd be more pretentious to avoid classical under that pretense than to enjoy it in the first place.
>>61804575
This. All good. All the best that I know of.
>>61804637
I don't find that there's actually a lot of classical that has that sound. Not any I'm familiar with anyways. Shostakovich literally wrote his jazz and concertos just so that he could have something to do inbetween his serious work. When you're afraid of being executed by the secret police you don't write politically charged / emotional music.
>Underrated composers:
Part and Szymanofsky imo senpai
>>61816323
>That said, I know to pretty much always side with Karajan and Bernstein recordings
>>61816354
I've liked every single recording they've done. Any evidence to the contrary?
Given that Mahler is a personal favorite of mine, and that Bernstein was a great composer in his own right, i think it's pretty reasonable to side with his interpretation of most things. Not everyone has the money to buy every single recording of every single piece, or the time to dredge them up online.
>>61802300
Literally me
>>61798484
If you know what to expect, it's just about all right.
>>61816323
Lark Ascending is really boring by VW standards
>>61816410
>I've liked every single recording they've done. Any evidence to the contrary?
I have no evidence to the contrary that you have liked every single recording that they've done, no.
>>61816476
My bad. I meant "that i've heard"
I don't often hear objectively bad interpretations of pieces. Who do you prefer for /classical/ core if not Karajan and Bernstein?
Golgi has some pretty fucking sick recordings with Boston brass, and i think some of Dudamel is good though.
Gergiev is definitely my favorite for most Russian pieces though to be fair.
>>61816323
>Karajan
>Bernstein
>Perlman
>Barenboim
>Gould
Not even poly has taste this shit or opinions this wrong.
>>61816626
I don't really treat any one conductor as a "super" conductor that is great at all works. Karajan I go to when I want Sibelius, Strauss, Wagner, or SVS. Bernstein is a hack in my opinion and I haven't heard a recording of his that I've liked. Ever.
>>61816674
You don't like his Mahler recordings? I've listened to at least 5-6 of the second symphony and 9th symphony, and both of his are the best of the ones of listened to.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tf5fM1i3MGQ
Other things I could certainly be wrong on, however.
>>61816637
>Hurr durr Perlman is bad!
>Gould is bad!
Getting edgy up in here. Want to quantify your opinions in any way whatsoever? Because Perlman and Gould are widely (and rightfully) considered to have been amongst the best of their instruments in the world.
Who would you sooner favor? Or is half of my preferred instrumentalists reason enough to hate all of the other ones a listed.
Because of you honestly think Hamelin, Argerich, Vengerov and Heifetz are all bad as well then you should fucking castrate yourself.
>>61798590
Do you mostly listen to lyrics?
If so just start reading poetry too, you'll like it.
I like Avant Garde Classical, so I decided to listen to Art Music since the beginning, so far I'm entering the Baroque era, and it all seems so bland to me, with a few exceptions, compared to atonal music. Am I going to be let down by the classsical period, too? or is it different?
Bach is next today.
>>61817175
>no Bach
What are you doing.
>>61817175
>Bach is next today.
Welp I can't read.
What're the exceptions?
>>61817518
They are
>Guillaume de Machaut - Ballade 32: Plourez dames
>Johannes Ockeghem - Missa Caput
>Heinrich Schutz - Psalmen Davids
>>61817602
What Monteverdi did you listen to?
L'incoronazione di Poppea and L'Orfeo are GOAT
>>61817784
Quinto Libro, L'Orfeo, Lamento D'Ariana, Vespro della Beata Vergine, Il combattimento di Tancredi e Clorinda, Ottavo Libro and Selva Morale e Spirituale.
I was going to listen to L'inocronazione, but I didn't. Could I like it if I didn't like his other works.
>>61817922
You could try, why didn't you like the other works?
>>61813543
I played opera overtures in high school. Overtures to Die Meistersinger and Le Nozze Di Figaro. I actually hope to go into Opera.
>>61816410
I tend to like recordings directed by Claudio Abbado.
>>61817175
Have you listened to the original Carmina Burana as performed by the Clemencic Consort? You may like it.
>>61816981
His Mahler is too hysterical with a lot of poor balances in my opinion. It was at it's best when it was his NY recordings, but his DG versions make me sick. It doesn't help that early DG stereo sound is really, really bad.
That's just my opinion though.
>>61818069
Abbado was a classy dude. I like him best live, though.
>>61797175
I've always loved Jupiter. Played part of it in music class when I was 14 or so, and I always remembered it. Recently listened again, and noticed there's a section that sounds like music from Morrowind.
Why haven't you listened to Mozart today?
Love the Poulenc Double Piano Concerto. Any other piano concertos like it?
>>61820064
Listen to his harp, harpsichord, organ, and piano concerto.
There isn't much like Poulenc, but give Bartok's 3rd piano concerto a try too/
>>61817465
>no bach
>what are you doing?
Not being autistic.
the golden spinning wheel is my favourite piece right now
thoughts mew?
>>61820462
>not being autistic
what are you doing here
Mexico had a composer's day about a week ago, just dumping some Mexican composers:
Silvestre Revueltas - Sensemaya
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aJxd0nIY1oA
Manuel Maria Ponce - Sonatas (played by Segovia)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dK3Jt44-6UI
Carlos Chavez - Symphony No. 2
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TKoq4KOHUEU
Blas Galindo - Sones de Mariachi
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DdKAlGlNZd0
Daniel Catan - Florencia en el Amazonas
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0z_W8nF8P7M
Eduardo Hernández Moncada - Costeña
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_mLyle7B7n4
Cenobio Hernandez - Decepciones del Alma
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0aX4iqovUj8
Quirino Mendoza y Cortés - Cielito Lindo (original composition where every other version is derived from)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=natwdmuakZA
Arturo Marquez - Danzon No. 2
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PA7vEIj6Lzk
Macedonio Alcalá Prieto - Dioz Nunca Muere
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FtsXHpgjt6E
Candelario Huízar García de la Cadena - Symphony No. 4
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H98ojSip4nE
Salvador Contreras Sanchez - Danza Negra
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VDudkE9Dr7U
Julián Carrillo Trujillo (microtonal composer, very interesting) - Cromometrofonía
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wF50so3nWJk
Carlos Jiménez Mabarak - Symphony No. 1
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SuSIKIRP0a4
Luis Herrera de la Fuente - Fronteras
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=latesJ1XDak
Mario Lavista - Quotations
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HbnYRvik-nk
Héctor Quintanar Prieto - Small Overture
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K-vA9fiOj1Y
Manuel Enrique Salazar - Movil I
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_VoriySAyc4
>>61820521
CONT
José Pablo Moncayo García - Huapango
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=07-kvAU85wM
Jose Rolon - Danzas Indigenas
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rf8SPktJrBE
Joaquin Gutiérrez Heras - Postludio
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SLyCjIXOx2E
Felipe de Jesús Villanueva Gutiérrez - Vals Poetico
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UkOL0lBavL8
José Juventino Policarpo Rosas Cadenas - Sobre Las Olas (Over The Waves, which everyone and their fucking grandmum knows)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=090zNqcqZF4
Federico Ibarra Groth - Sonata No. 1
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KxUtg05GQtY
Enrico Chapela - Magnetar
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0rtBUM9eOAQ
Ricardo Castro - Cello Concerto in C minor
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hfZQG6EW94s
Gustavo Ernesto Campa - Melody for Violin & Orchestra
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t7rMpTEdbfs
Julio Ituarte - Ecos de Mexico
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WHMo9RTkV60
Melesio Morales - Nezahuacoyotl
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DdHnbnyuebY
Guadalupe Olmedo - Segunda Rêverie
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CjBB2BCGuU8
Tomas Leon - Laura (Only piece I've found of his)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9YNQIGAoeEs
José Damián Mariano Elízaga - Ultimas Variaciones
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=az24pQQQaLk
Juan García Esquivel - Dark Eyes
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iMr7oAACyqw
Gonzalo Curiel Barba - Llevame
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EkT1x-IUfhU
(getting colonial here)
Juan de Lienas - Lamentatio
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g9BfO4g1F3A
Manuel Arenzana - Te Deum
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o-LueIRsP7M
Manuel de Zumaya - Celebren, publiquen
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QWL7VAwQtKM
>>61820521
>>61820537
shit man get a paste link
come on mate
>>61820588
Kek you're right, bout to do that.
You've got good taste, OP. Try the beer based on the pieces.
>>61818867
his nypo days were his best desu
>>61820912
[spoiler]I still kind of have a guilty pleasure for his live BP Mahler 9.[/spoiler]
>>61816410
>I've liked every single recording they've done
Then listen to any of Karajan's Missa Solemnis recordings and Bernstein's Mozart.
If you still like those, you're lost.
>>61797175
I bought my friend the exact same vinyl for his birthday. Does it sound any good?
I still can't get over how terrible Karajan's Missa Solemnis recordings are, those soloists could've sung in performances with a competent choir and adequate conducting.
AND THE FACT THAT HE FLEW THE WORST CHOIR OF VIENNA TO LONDON TO PERFORM THE MISSA SOLEMNIS WHEN HE COULD HAVE USED ANY OF THE VASTLY SUPERIOR LONDON CHOIRS LIKE THE PHILHARMONIA CHOIR AAAAAAAAAAAAARRRRRRRRRRGGHHH
>>61822629
business decision
>>61803479
>Tippett
*tips it*
>>61822629
Karajan was a jerk
>He (Otto Gerdes) was dismissed at Deutsche Grammophon in the mid-1960s. The incident that led to his dismissal was recounted in Richard Osborne's 1998 biography of Herbert von Karajan. Gerdes, fresh from a conducting assignment, addressed Karajan as one conductor to another with a "Herr Kollege" (my dear colleague).
>>61816323
>Seems like it'd be a waste of money to buy multiple recordings unless you were really aware of big differences ahead of time.
uh, yeah, buying, s-sure..!
>>61823193
please support our warner overlords
>>61823276
>paying for recent EMI "remasters"
>>61823330
Where were you when Boulez was kill?
>>61823330
i actually heard the new ones on this set and they weren't bad at all. better than the ones they were doing for the Greatest series a few years back.
not all of them are new though unfortunately.
>>61823276
>>61823478
the later 2000s remasterings aren't bad at all actually. however the 90s are pretty poor though some of the source material is also bad (brahms 2nd piano quartet im lookin at you)
>>61823510
Yes they are, they're filtered to death
How much is tradition linked to convention, /classical/?
Does having common sense and wanting to write music automatically condemns you to mimick a composer of your choice?
Is Debussy bad? He seemed to be able to create something interesting without kneeling before what turned the concert hall into a museum.
>>61823544
Depends on the time and individual.
Music is never written "automatically".
No.
>>61823510
i wasn't too big on the schubert transfer they did because it had some awkward denoising going on.
and their Beethoven transfers were kind of hit or miss but at least some of the really bad pitch instabilities from the EMI Japan set were cleaned up, and it's not like it's horribly mastered or anything. i think they're mostly fine. could be better, of course, but it could be worse
still haven't heard a transfer of those quartets that i was really satisfied with so far, but then again i don't really listen to them too often
>>61823526
it can always be way worse like pic related
this is not only denoised to actual death in a lot of areas, but they also made no attempt whatsoever to fix the pitch instabilities that cover this thing
it's a shame too, because what lies underneath is some GOAT conducting for Wagner. i'll eat my hat if a professional ever gets his hands on a good master for this and does it the justice it deserves
>>61823891
some of those old TOCE sets are really nice though, like pic related was immeasurably better than the later SACD EMI remaster for Schuricht's Bruckner. and the former was, i'm pretty sure, probably a needledrop
then again some of the EMI SACD releases have sounded pretty good too, like the Furt '54 Walkure sounds unfiltered and probably better than it's previous incarnations, and i've heard the same for the '53 RAI Ring set they put out (using a new and better master. only available in Japan though, RIP.)
Karajan is the best and only a loser would say otherwise. There is a reason he won so many awards.
>>61824607
yeah, like the nazi medal of honor
>>61803655
Shit, nobody mentions Sorabji in these boards. He is supremely underrated.
>>61824697
Much as I like Sorabji he isn't really overrated, his works are interesting and impressive but have more length than depth.
>>61823687
> Music is never written "automatically".
M8, reading comprehension
>Does having common sense and wanting to write music // automatically condemns you to mimick a composer of your choice?
>>61820462
Bach was a great composer though, not that I think national composers should be categorized that way as both have good musicians.
>>61823544
Classical music doesn't have to adhere to tradition to be good. Different eras of classical music came from different ideas being used and different instruments being used in different ways.
>>61803479
>sullivan
based.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PmIh7JtzaYM
>>61825598
Nice. My favourite GnS are the recordings done by the Welsh National Opera under the baton of Sir Charles Mackerras. The particular aria "Fair Moon, to thee I sing" is done very well imho.
>>61825780
The WNO Mikado was really damn good, though sometimes I'm worried that Grand Opera singers don't quite capture enough of the acting in their singing.
Me, I stick with D'Oyly Carte recordings for the most part, especially those from the 60s that have all of the dialogue. After that, I prefer to poke around selections from earlier recordings done by Savoyards of old.
>>61825870
Yup. I know that. Noone is quite the same Ko-Ko as John Reed.
>>61824618
There is literally nothing wrong with being a nazi.
>>61826433
Except perhaps Henry Lytton or Martyn Green, of course.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C-2LxOAw9iY
More Italians similar to Palestrina and Gesualdo?
New to /classical/, lemme gauge with some questions and accompany with my own taste
What is you favorite recording of Beethoven's ninth?
>Philharmonia Baroque orchestra
Top 3 Violin concertos
>1. Prokofiev's 1st
>2. Sibelius
>3. Brahms
Favorite cello concerto
>Dvorak
Favorite Brahms symphony movement
> Symphony 3 mvt 4
Top 3 Beethoven symphony
>1. Nine
>2. Five
>3. Eight
Top 3 violinists
>1. Kogan
>2. Heifetz
>3. Cho-Liang Lin
Favorite overture
>Tchaik's Romeo & Juliet
Favorite Chopin nocturne
>Op. 48 no. 1
A few favorite pieces
>Stauss' Ein Heldeleben
>Kosenko Passacaglia G-mol
>Minuet from Debussy Bergamasque
>Gorecki's 3rd
>>61823891
thats because emi actually spent their money in some of the later remasterings and had seth winner do the transfers and one of their other top guys (forgot his name) fix the recordings. the choice to denoise was probably an executive decision by emi, and if you look at all other remastering factors besides it, its a well manufactured remaster.
>>61826817
is this bait
>>61827130
no? does it not meet your standards of snobbishness?
>>61824815
This pretty much. His shorter pieces are actually his most interesting actually.
>>61827180
your taste is p. shit bro just saying
>>61826817
Beethoven's 9th
>1951 Bayreuth festival
Favourite Brahms
>Hungarian Dance no. 5
Favourite overture
>1812
Top Beethoven
>9,7,5
>>61827422
Post yours then.
bump for the sad moment when you realize these threads rarely reach limit
>>61826752
>more colours similar to white and black?
>>61830060
quality over quantity
>>61830060
That's the best part. It's /comfy/ here. Also, many here actually know what they're talking about even if they can be inflammatory. Small threads = /comfy/.
>>61830296
>tfw don't know what I'm talking and just ehre for the shitposting and memes
>>61830370
Fuck off CLT
>>61830442
I'm a 22 year old kisseless virgin, so technically I'm not CLT, but he would honestly make this thread more comfy
>>61830554
I know you're not CLT, its just funny to give him shit :^)
>>61830628
How did you know senpai ;]
bartok
>>61830076
You got nothing?
>>61820521
>>61820537
Thanks
listen to this shit
>>61832739
r8 my memes
>>61832739
>Art of Fugue
>On piano
Stopped reading right there
>>61833382
You do realize that it was written to test the scales on various pianos?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8RQWyr3UBGc
Very cool symphony.
>>61833410
You're thinking of the well tempered clavier.
Art of Fugue was written to showcase fugues.
One player struggles to maintain the integrity of each line without rubato and staggering. It best suits 4 different players so you can hear the individual parts better. Mozart and Haydn studied Bach fugues by getting them played on string quartet so they could hear all the voices clearly.
Personally I prefer harpsichord or organ for my Baroque music.
>>61833455
Fuggg. You're right. I was think of Toccata and Fugue in D Minor.
>>61833419
Poly you dropped your trip here:
>>61833382
>>61833455
>>61833455
Poly put your trip back on.
>>61832739
>Shitnittke
>Emerson SQ
>>61797175
Guys i like Alfred Shnittke and I dont know what recordings to get of his symphonies or string quartets. Someone got a good recording of him?
>>61833935
*schnittke
>>61833935
There's not a huge amount of choice. The BIS record label has recordings of most of his works including symphonies or there is a symphony set on Chandos which is generally better. The Molinari quartet or the Kronos quartet are both good string quartet sets.
>>61833935
Bump. Just buy them online or at the store.
>>61834109
What about the tale quartet?
>>61834128
I found alot of classical shit at amoeba, need to get someone to drive me there again someday
>>61834138
Barely remember them, think they were forgettable, also recorded before he composed No. 4.
>>61833419
Any Chinese composers that prominently showcase the erhu? Not looking for any concerto forms or western-adapted stuff.
>>61834390
For Chinese Composers try Du Mingxin.
>>61834390
Try some traditional erhu music, or just look around, there's bound to be plenty of contemporary Chinese composers who incorporate erhu in a non-western non-concerto manner.
>>61833935
Pic is excellent. The 1992 recording of gogol suite and Labyrinths is very good. Rozhdestvensky for Symphony No.1, There's a good recording of No.2 with the Royal Stockholm Phil under Leif Segerstam.
Thoughts on the russian state symphony orchestra?
>>61803479
no schoenberg
>>61803530
get over yourself, just do what you want you putz
>>61835152
Well he was Austrian not German.
>so what kind of piece you want senpai
>get me those f major chords
>say no more
>>61834615
They're good.
>>61834615
They're not bad.
zzzz
Could someone give me links to quality Bach recordings? I have A State of Wonder, but I'm looking for cello pieces, especially.
No idea what I'm doing, so any help is welcome.
>>61836987
http://rutracker.org/forum/viewtopic.php?t=4067685
>>61837189
Thanks m8. Will download now. Any other good Bach recommendations? He's proved to be a favorite. What are some that people would consider essential?
>>61837265
Complete sacred cantatas, Christmas Oratorio, Orgelbuchlein, Organ mass, six sonatas for violin and harpsichord, musical offering.
What do you guys think is the best recording of the Debussy's Preludes?
>>61838014
Michelangeli
>>61820795
>Uranus
>black double
>mfw
>>61838014
Paul Jacobs
What do you guys think is the best recording of the Satie's Nocturnes?
>>61832739
>Chopin teenage Piano Concertos
>Goldberg Variations
>Gould as anything other than a curiosity
>Shostakoshit,
>Memerson SQ
>Shittke
>Karajan for Webern
>Abbado and Argerich
>Pollini on Schoenberg
>Memewangler as anything other than a historical document
Try Tatiana Nikolayeva for the Art of Fugue
Fricsay's Beethoven 9th, Dohnanyi for Webern, Fricsay on Bartok, Paul Jacobs on Schoenberg
And listen to better works
>>61838912
Jean Joel Barbier is the best for satie, definitely, even if audio is kinda dry, his interpretation makes up for it easily
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OpKMd9UZc8c
>>61838986
furt is great and karajan is fine in Webern even if dohnanyi, kegel, and rosbaud are better in Webern
Pollini/Schoenberg is good too so long as you go for his live recordings (in general this is the attitude you should have with Pollini)
How do I git gud at /classical/? Is there a book to start with? Anything? I didn't grow up with this shit, so I'm starting at square one.
>tfw can't keep all these names straight
How do you guys feel about folks like Julien Marchal and Max Richter?
>>61839051
>le karajan is fine in certain composers meme
pollini is a robot in any recording, albeit a charming robot
>>61839059
Accuracy aside, these lists can be a good guide if you're just starting
http://digitaldreamdoor.com/pages/best-classic-comp2.html
http://digitaldreamdoor.com/pages/best-classic-top10.html
>>61839171
Thanks! Lists like this with specific conductors and performers really help:
http://digitaldreamdoor.com/pages/best-classic-record.html
Thus far I've found I really enjoy early Christian works like those from Perotin and Johannes Ockeghem. And good list of that style?
>>61839112
you are quite the memer
so you've heard literally every recording that Pollini has made or something? he isn't always so robotic as he is in the studio. his earlier recordings can be quite different from his later ones too.
whats your beef with Karajan though, he's shite in a lot of things, especially most of his later recordings, but he can be fine and even pretty good sometimes.
it also helps when you're listening to live recordings that don't have the awful and manipulative DG/Karajan audio engineering. honestly the biggest enemy to Karjan was himself, where he become overly complicit with that "perfected" studio sound due to his control freak tendencies which more often than not harmed the recording than helped it (which is why his live recordings and his very early recordings where he had little to not say in regards to the audio engineering process, are his best recordings)
>>61839346
>so you've heard literally every recording that Pollini has made or something?
I've heard early, mid and late period recordings, studio and live
>but he can be fine and even pretty good sometimes.
List 5 examples
>awful and manipulative DG/Karajan audio engineering
also true
>>61839422
>List 5 examples
most of the live recordings of his beethoven are fine to my ears
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p7J4QqoFN-Y
his 1977 live Japan cycle is pretty good too, but the earlier one in the 60s is even better
ditto for his Moscow tour. the Bach and Mozart are pretty mediocre (even if very well played), but everything else ranges from very good to great.
his Wagner both studio and live is very good (even in spite of the inconsistent casting)
his live Mahler has been pretty good too
and i think that's all i've heard. i don't make a huge effort to seek out Karajan recordings since he probably isn't even in my top 10, but he can be interesting to listen to
>>61839559
>his live Mahler has been pretty good too
>>61839627
Haha epic trashman meme! You destroyed him xD
>>61839666
Angry?
>>61839673
No X_x;;
>>61839559
The only recording of his I prefer is of Beethoven's 8th and 3rd. Otherwise I can't stand him
Anyone here like sibelius' sixth?
I love the beginning the it becomes questionable after a few minutes
>>61839866
For me I like his 3rd and 5th. Hated his 8th
>>61840833
I like Dudamel's fifth a lot. Dudamel is life
Fucking memers I swear to god
>>61838014
Walter Gieseking
>>61838986
Every Gould recording is authoritative. Even his Mozart.
>>61839051
>>61839112
>>61839346
Karajan is a fantastic fucking conductor you memers what the fuck am I even reading?
>>61840884
He's a good dancer, but I don't like his conducting that much.
>>61840912
>Every Gould recording is authoritative. Even his Mozart.
b8
>>61841314
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p-MaUNKAWZo
Things can never be the same again
>>61841428
mozart for jogging?
>>61816323
>Meme Ascending
>Not Romance for Harmonica or Tuba Concerto
Shiggy
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dKe6SCgKXzc
>>61817175
Classical Era is boring besides PDQ Bach and Mozart familia
>it's an argue about conductors thread
>>61817175
You aren't immediately going to "get" Baroque music, or Classical for that matter. To understand Baroque you need to have a feeling for:
>contrapuntal possibilities inherent in a subject
>large-scale recombinations of such ideas
>harmony and how it is used to provide tension, relaxation, and surprise
For Classical music, you need to understand
>Tonic and dominant key relationships
>Small- and large-scale form, and how basic ideas are formed into a cohesive dialogue
>Motivic development
>>61841581
Can't be more boring than arguing about German music.
>>61841581
lets argue about pianists instead
>>61798484
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SVeaAhYluOc
>>61841585
>you need to learn the key relationships between colors as well as various geometric theorems
Why should a single person spend a single hour of their life doing that? We already have non-autistic visual art and plenty of it too.
By the way, the guy who made that wanted to be taken seriously as an artist.
>>61842005
>English Romantic music
>Uses a Grimshaw painting
How mundane.
>>61841950
Lang-Lang is the best pianist of all time. :^)
>>61836987
>>61840933
*triggered*
>>61842064
Not even trying with that bait
>>61842356
>Schiff
>chamber performance of a keyboard work
>Herreweghe
Terrible.
>>61838986
I tried to represent the dankest /classical/ memes but Ill probably just make a new chart.
>>61840912
>calls other memers
>recommends gieseking
>Every Gould recording is authoritative. Even his Mozart.
oh ok so you're baiting
>Karajan is a fantastic fucking conductor you memers what the fuck am I even reading?
1/10
>>61840912
>Every Gould recording is authoritative. Even his Mozart.
Their authority consisting of what? Being awful?
And I hate Mozart.
>>61842356
awful recordings
>>61842579
>I hate Mozart
>>61826817
What is you favorite recording of Beethoven's ninth?
>Furtwangler 51
Top 2 Violin concertos
>1. Shostakovich 1
>2. Sibelius
Favorite fagotte concerto
>Mozart
Favorite Bruckner symphony movement
> Symphony 9 mvt 1
Top 3 Beethoven symphony
>1. Nine
>2. Six
>3. Seven
Top 3 conductors
>1. Furtwangler
>2. Celibidache
>3. Mravinsky
Favorite prelude
>Tristan
Favorite Chopin nocturne
>kek
>>61842710
>I hate incessant repetition and inane harmonic wanking
>>61841314
>>61842566
lmao Gould deniers are pathetic
>>61842912
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zuxPKikM0NI
>>61842945
>opens up with a 5 minute introduction talking about how awesome Gould is
heh..
>>61842912
Gould's ok, but Richter is the real master of Bach, especially in the WTC. He gives the pieces an ever more sacred flavour.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zdD_QygwRuY
