This is a modern masterpiece that will be studied by academia for decades to come...
Yet there are still people who hate this album, likely just to be contrarian ("anything popular can't be good!")
Is there another album that even comes close to how influential and landscape changing as this is?
I've never seen a convincing argument from all the haters that think this isn't one of the greatest albums of all time...
Discuss
I just honestly don't get it
The lyrics are shit and I can't get past that. I think some tracks are good but I have trouble really giving Kanye any credit for any of it when the lyrics are as bad as they are.
>inb4 lyrics don't matter
I'm not saying it isn't a good album, but I see no way it's a masterpiece
>>61225870
>the lyrics are bad
like what? and dont just cherry pick that one line everyone likes to cherry pick
mbdtf is a brilliant commentary on the post modern obsession with the celebrity ego, honestly could see this studied in universities
kanye is like the music equivalent of Proust...
>>61225913
>like what?
like all of them
there is not one good line on that entire lp
>>61225952
TOO MANY URKELS ON YOUR TEAM THATS WHY YOUR WINS LOW
>>61225952
>what is gorgeous
Please stop
>>61226041
>he likes young thug
>>61226041
you like oasis retard.
>>61226026
awful is what it is
>>61226474
no.
>>61226041
>Oasis
it will only be studied by pitchfork cucks.
it's nothing special
I personally don't enjoy the album much, but I can see the artistic merit in it and why it's so highly praised.
>>61225913
>Baby, you done took this shit to another mothafuckin level
>Who taught you how to put some mothafuckin Jimmy Choo's on?
DID
>>61226041
>oasis
>>61225913
> Kanye is like the musical equivalent of Proust...
The intro of Dark Fantasy alone makes me think of how much does Kanye actually knows.
>>61225818
is this pasta
>>61227196
>dumb reaction pic
>no actual argument
haters pls
Honestly, why does he get a pass for having shit lyrics and mediocre flows? There are plenty of producers who aren't complete shit at rapping. Just because he's a producer doesn't mean he should be judged on a curve.
>all these people ITT getting memed by OP
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>>61225818
>will be studied by academia for decades to come...
I actually agree for once. Marketing classes will study this advertising campaign for decades.
>>61225818
>I've never seen a convincing argument from all the haters that think this isn't one of the greatest albums of all time...
And I've never seen a convincing argument that it IS one. That ball's in your court, so back your words, or shut your mouth.
>>61228195
because it is.
>>61228171
shut up OP
I agree, and people who say the lyrics are bad are nothing but pretentious contrarians.
>>61228400
are you this upset
>>61228415
>HUEHUEHUE UMAD?
see >>61228269
>>61228445
lol pathetic
>>61228463
oh the irony
eat shit
>>61228393
>The lyrics are good because they're good
>If you don't agree you are just x buzz word
Very typical of Kanye fans, literally can't describe what they think is good about his music.
At least Kanyes bad lyrics are funny
Kendricks just suck
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literally nobody was talking about Kendrick OP
>>61228550
I can still mention it lmao
Literally no one was talking about lyrics until someone mentioned them
This is how conversations work
>>61228094
Weird part is that he's actually right.
I love this album, but have never made the critical jump to calling it a masterpiece. It's very well crafted and everything seems purposeful, tracks like dark fantasy to me prevent it being considered '10/10' and I struggle slightly to believe that all the complex arguments of verbose themes are intentional thematic choices by Kanye himself?
>>61228579
>trying to have a conversation in a meme-riddled b8 thread
wew lad
>>61228579
you're replying to bait.
>>61228601
everyone who posted in this thread is replying to bait
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>>61228614
shit taste desu
>>61225818
Man oh man oh man, I could write an essay on this album. The self-realization of the protagonist's identity throughout the album, the progression of his sexual relationships from young innocent to wild then settling into maturity, the way kanye made the album play like a Greek epic while still having insane features (Nicki Minaj's best verse of her career, RZA on So Appalled, Rick Ross on Devil in a New Dress). The timing of this album drop too, after receiving hate for his barrier pushing sound in his previous album, showing everyone who doubted him that he still got some of the best production skills in the game. MBDTF gets a 11/10 in my book, wonderful piece.
>>61228970
here's your reply
>>61229503
The way he interacts with the listener, building and subverting metamusical expectations, commenting on multiple metamusical, sociopolitical and personal subjects with single lines is brilliant. What work has played jump rope with the line between irony and sincerity as effectively as Yeezus? From the opening seconds of On Sight, to the chorus of I Am A God, to the final spoken sample of Bound 2, no other work of any medium has worked with such an ambiguity of awareness of its context. I'm not saying Yeezus is brilliant because it showcases great technical compositional proficiency or especially novel aesthetic innovations (though autotuned Chief Keef, Justin Vernon, '80s guitars and trap beats have never been fused so artfully), I'm saying its ability to project outwardly from itself and work in a space so self-aware (yet somehow sometimes simultaneously ham-handedly solipsistic) that it shatters any post-post-modern dichotomy between affectation and sincerity sets it apart from other works of art. The whole album skips back and forth over the "is this dude serious?" line, only for Bound 2 to answer with a resounding "we have no fucking clue." Where the recent metamodernists have decided that continual sinusoidal oscillation between critical points of intense sincerity and irony is a valid solution to the nihilism inherent in extreme postmodernity, Kanye instead manipulates for the oscillation of the listener's perception rather than affecting a self-defeatingl y earnest oscillation of himself. In this way, Yeezus can be seen as a work of meta-metamodernism. To call the album "ahead of its time" would be a vast understatement.
>>61229509
Here's your reply
>>61229541
oh I'm going to save this one as well thank you
