Favorite album? Favorite artist? Recent buys?
The Campfire Headphase - Guitar + Piano = pic related
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7YEmnnionZ8
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HXqa_ZhNicE
I've come to the conclusion that Chiastic Slide is the best Autechre album.
>>61208445
he's great
so is bogdan
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rs7f7i-io-0
>>61208530
Wrong.
I'm considering swapping oversteps and tri rep. Thoughts?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b4s3x-_-kc4
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8EBC-0dkkYE
>>61208582
I'd agree. Exai is winter too.
>>61208629
Exai is staying in spring. I get strong ideas of blooming and allergies from nearly all the songs.
>>61208551
he's right tho
here are some recs for no reason at all
actress, arovane, atom heart, bisk, bochum welt, born under a rhyming planet, cylob, disjecta, mark fell, fx randomiz, freeform, fsol, hem, leo anibaldi, locust, loops haunt, mr 76ix, nero's day at disneyland, nhk'koyxen, nmb, nonplace urban field, pomassl, second woman, seefeel, sluta leta, stakker, syncopated elevators legacy, team doyobi, tournesol, wagon christ, fennesz, zk, aleksi perala, anodyne, anstam, baby ford, bedouin ascent, ceephax, eon, errorsmith, florence, isolee, last step, lfo, like-a-tim, link, lory d, marco passarani, mdk, milanese, mpia3, mr oizo, objekt, octogon man, otto von schirach, pcp, reload, ruby my dear, solar x, vhs head
How about Locust Toybox?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J-botomHWJc
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eLsjCE0AKhs
Anyone else dig that Fear Ratio album that came out this year?
>>61208530
Definitely the best 90s album
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_hTUNaFsKC4
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yy269DhheF8
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qQE7jQPDrtc
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fiAJ7drQXso
>>61208882
half of those are bleep not bloop
>>61208932
desu senpai kirk started the whole thing with philosophy of sound and machine
Is this the first example of IDM ever?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DuN12dVmsT0
>>61208582
Definitely
this might be a stupid question, but are there any notable acts making IDM in the 2010s? don't say flying lotus
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Autechre is the best, but my favorite is probably Venetian Snares
>>61209377
i think people just stopped calling imaginative electronic music idm, it still exists obviously
>>61209161
no, fuck off with your dadtronica
Just listened to this.
Post glitch.
>>61209402
>>61209562
holy shit the avant kids are here already
piss off
>>61209600
>me
>avant kid
What.
i kinda liked what ive heard off of these, recently
https://reizokocj.bandcamp.com/album/dark-side
https://exophobiaorgqebrus.bandcamp.com/album/-
>>61208790
neato
havent heard many of those, which one or two out of them would you recommend the most? given that i love nd@d
>>61209161
cant see the vid :T
afaik, this might be
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5fqpTZLgHIU
>>61209432
This. Honestly I like where it's going, I like stuff like M.E.S.H. more than the spazzy break core stuff that made up the genre throughout most of the 2000s. But yeah, it's not called IDM anymore understandably.
>>61208547
Bogdan's Samurai Math Beats is sick
>>61208831
Made a similar post in the last IDM thread. Respect. Nice track picks too, Hyper Darts Challenge got me listening in the first place
I don't know how to describe it but there's this kind of 'scratchy' sound that a lot of IDM beats have that I like. Some examples of the top of my head...
Autechre - Clipper
Bjork - 5 Years
BoC - An Eagle In Your Mind
And various other songs off those albums. IDK what this is called but can you suggest more songs/ albums with this kind of percussive sound?
>intelligent dance music
how pretentious
>>61210581
lo fi drum machine tones mate
>>61211070
We know mate
>>61208399
sounds like it would be similar to this desu
Songs About My Cats is still my favorite IDM album
>>61211070
:^)
hey /bloop/ what's the best bogdan raczynski album and why is it myloveilove?
>>61211145
Same
/bleep/ = good
/bloop/ = shit
>>61211145
>>61211163
>not winter in the belly of a snake or even chocolate wheelchair
casual snares fans always have the most pleb taste i swear to frick, i bet you guys think rossz was a masterpiece
>>61211070
you could apply that to all of /mu/ actually
>>61211070
>>61211194
fuck off randy
>>61210168
>https://reizokocj.bandcamp.com/album/dark-side
I don't know how I feel about the blatant "nerdy" references, but it's done well, from the few tracks I've heard so far.
>>61211197
lol, what?
Chocolate is the second most casual Venetian Snares album after Rossz...
Songs about my Cats is literally the patrician choice.
Subjective ratings incoming
SamC >> Chocolate Wheelchair > Detrimentalist > Higgins Ultra Low > Huge Chrome > My So-Called Life > Rossz > Winter In The Belly > 2370894 > Meathole > Doll Doll Doll
is nicolaas jar darkside idem?
is pauleine oliveros idem?
is wendy carlos idem?
who is more proto-idem, stockhauzen or steve reich?
is come truise idem?
>>61211296
>Doll Doll Doll so low
Do you hate fun?
>>61211329
nothing is idem, and everything is idem
>>61211358
There's nothing fun about Doll Doll Doll unless you are some kind of psycho...
LP5 is god tier
>>61211194
Not mutually exclusive, mate. Club music loses a lot of its effect and power when it's not on a big system, I mean it's best for dancing in a social environment. ""IDM"" and similar types of music (like ambient, dub and less banging dub techno, etc.) is good for at home or for late night walks or smoking a blunt on the front porch.
>>61208530
lp5 is their best album
Winter > Chocolate Wheelchair > Doll Doll Doll > Huge Chrome > Cavalcade > SamC = Rossz > Thank You >= Detrimentalist > Higgins Ultra Low >>>>>>>>>>> My So-Called Life
desu
printf
Holy shit, I come back after two hours and the thread is still up. I didn't even expected to do nearly this well.
>>61208530
>>61208551
>>61211399
Are all wrong, the correct answer is Tri Repetae
What's interesting to me is that they insist that the album is incomplete without the surface noise of a vinyl record: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tri_Repetae
That makes me want to buy a record player so I can see for myself. Also, owning the vinyl record will let me have a large, physical copy of Tri Repetae's detailed album cover.
>>61211383
What the fuck? Is his better release along with printf.
>>61211614
>tri repetate
the plebeian choice
the patrician choice is lp5
>>61211564
"no"
when the fuck is clark gonna stop rehashing simplistic edm banger shit and make interesting music again
clark pls
>>61211652
It's probably one of his best albums (I don't like it though), but it's not fun...
>>61211684
As someone who has LP5 as it's favorite Autechre release, the patrician choice is still Confield.
>>61211731
>As someone who has LP5 as it's favorite Autechre release, the patrician choice is still Confield.
i actually do agree now that i think about it
>>61211731
>not having fun listening to a child killer-inspired album
Why are you on 4chan?
>>61211614
I actually have it on vinyl and the cover is honestly really gorgeous in person - I can't explain it. The color is so much richer and matches the music perfectly.
That being said, TriRep isn't one of my absolute favorite releases by them, in fact I prefer the Anvil Vapre EP. Then again I think Quaristice is one of their best releases so don't trust what I have to say lol
>>61211723
Yeah, I've kinda given up on him though I was never a huge fan.
Mark Bell's "Clark" > Chris Clark
>>61211731
>>61211684
You know what? Every Autechre album is fantastic and having any of them be your favorite is reasonable.
Except for maybe Quaristice. I didn't care for that one so much.
>>61208831
Based David Firth!
I normally don't care for preprocessed glitchy chiptuney sounds after glitch became a meme but Locust Toybox does a damn nice job at making it emotionally gripping.
Binolf is my all time favorite LT song, its a perfect introspection song to listen to while peaking on some psychedelics or good bud. Has that BoC atmospheric quality that when you are in the right mindset, just makes everything better. Sadly, its more the exception for LT's style than the rule - everything else is bright and cheerful or silly, kind of odd when you consider what David Firth does the rest of the time.
Stringland is also great album, but not as accessible as Noon. This one covers the creepy side we know Firth is capable of.
>>61211885
Way to miss the point, dude
>>61211816
Eugh
>>61211396
>Club music loses a lot of its effect and power when it's not on a big system
does effects of idem vanish when you shave ur neck get to pee in some bird and put ur fedora in storage?
>I mean it's best for dancing in a social environment
m.f.w.
>>61211885
or incunabula tee bee ayche
if you count orbital as IDM then this is my fav album desu familia
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JKDl66XIEFM
>>61208487
Best Monolake is Cinemascope familia
>>61211885
Every Autechre album after Tri Repite is automated, generative glitchy computer wankery garbage fags hold up because "muh textures and programming!"
Ok LP5 had some good songs, but literally everything else they have done is them phoning it in.
Early Autechre had actual redeeming qualities to it - it might have been made by robots but it was engaging emotionally and stylistically. I know this is bait and music is subjective bnut you cannot deny that the early years of IDM were far more about making songs listenable than trying to be pretentious "watch me" fags.
Boards of Canada after 20 years is still making great, emotionally captivating and well rounded electronica meanwhile Aphex and Autechre both sold out to whatever glitch/dnb/techno style was going around in the late 90's. Sure, every downtempo ambient group tries to copy their sound, but their style and thematic nature of their music is what makes them unique. Aphex and Autechre lost that authenticity and uniqueness when they got caught up in experimentation and basically telling fans to fuck off (Especially true with RDJ being a master troll).
Why has no one mentioned Higher Intelligence Agency, Biosphere or Deep Space Network?
>>61212121
explain how exai isn't emotional
>>61212113
>the one with the gay sex moans.
>OOOOHHH OHHH THE EAAARTH IS BUUURNING, OHHH OHHH
I was playing music off my ipod at a party and that song came on. Now everyone things im a homo and thinks idem is for fags
is idm the most fitting genre to programmers? listening to pic related atm
>>61212121
Basically what you're trying to say is you don't 'get' Autechre.
Anybody else like a lot of the hip-hop IDM crossovers? I guess a some of it could be classified as downtempo but w/e
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4dDfK8GfB50
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g-Io1T6xtdA
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GUbGL_IlUqw
>>61211991
I didn't mean to imply that club music becomes bad or boring at home - I listen to it there often (though usually in the form of mixes), but the difference is definitely notable. Take a Deep Medi track. Listen to it at home and then hear it being played at a Dubstep night at a club where the subs and mids are really able to really shine. It's incomparable.
And dance music IS most often made to be played at clubs by DJs where people are dancing - I don't see how you can deny that? Weird how you call me a fedora but don't seem to understand the importance of club culture, mate. Unless you're having me on.
>>61212121
BoC have made my favorite music of all time but you can't seriously be saying they haven't fallen off in quality after Geogaddi, that's just false
Sorry mate
>>61212121
Good digits, garbage opinion
>>61212173
>>61212121
>music
>emotional
r u rusing me?
>>61212221
Ambient glitch like pic related is desu
Also Mushroom Compost and Catkin And Teasel are some of the greatest mu-ziq tracks of all time IMO, good pick
>>61212196
that was a good public service u've done anon
>>61212228
>made to be played at clubs
not the same as
>best for dancing in a social environment
>>61212121
How sad is it that there are people who have to convince themselves that something is bad just because they don't like it
>>61212121
Chiastic Slide, Untilted, and Quaristice were all hardware based, and I don't think you know how patches work and the time it takes to construct them and narrow the parameters if you think it's them "phoning it in" or just letting the computers do all the work. Everything has a place and I think it's unfair to group them in with a lot of the IDM followers that came around in the 2000s who wanted to make music as batshit and "wanky" as possible - Autecher and Aphex often show restraint. And maybe you'r not listening close enough if you still can't hear the influence of electro and hip-hop in Ae's music cuz it's still their, if not more abstracted. Confield was really the only time they completely left the grid. You've bought into some meme.
As for the emotional quality in music, that's purely subjective (as you said). I find a beautiful and well constructed aesthetic to be just as emotional as a melody that is specifically designed to stir an emotional reaction. It's really the listener and how they project themselves into the music, innit.
>>61212121
nah familia, they do have their moments of wank but there is also some great stuff in there
if you think this is just pretentious shite not worth listening to then there is something wrong with you
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f7RqusSKiQE
>Why has no one mentioned Higher Intelligence Agency, Biosphere or Deep Space Network?
why do you think we have the list could go on meme? because most of /mu/'s knowledge of IDM doesnt extend beyond the big 4
Biosphere and HIA are extremely underrated btw
>>61212196
lmao family
>>61212173
Because it isn't truly breaking any new ground and staying within their stylistic confines. That and the pretentious as fuck random song titles, like how the fuck am I supposed to identify with a song that is literally nonsense computer gibberish. Like I said about LP5, their more recent albums have shining moments but lack the transitional quality and breadth that makes an album an album and not just a collection of random tracks shit out by the songwriting algorithm they use and polished up with some analog sounds.
I'll say it again, this whole trend in electronica to be all extra glitchy and technical is getting to be too much when you know it isn't even genuinely glitch or technical anymore. Same thing with this 80's retro throwback shit that emulates the style but not the authenticity. Listen to SAW I or Random 35 track tape demos then listen to the generic shit that is Bandcamp and Soundcloud - professional processing means nothing if the songwriting is shit. A good songwriter with an old tape recorder and a shitty synth would shit all over any kiddy with a macbook and an MPK.
I sound like such a pretentious hipster fag I hate myself
>>61212355
...is a club not a social environment where people dance? That's literally all I meant, sorry if it wasn't clear, but there's no need to be pedantic.
>>61212317
never heard of that band before. thanks
future sound of london have some great albums too. don't see them mentioned here that often
>>61212501
I've always considered them trip hop so that's probably why, they're still great tho
>>61212236
This
>>61212447
>That and the pretentious as fuck random song titles, like how the fuck am I supposed to identify with a song that is literally nonsense computer gibberish.
you just listen to it, but if you're not feeling it you're not feeling it
i think exai did break some new ground but no one caught up with it yet, everyone's still on that oversteps sound
this is really ace tbqh
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QZdC2fNhhls
>>61212447
are you really taking issue with the track titles? most of them are cheesy puns or play on words in reference to the equipment/software they've used to make them. or just random smashing on keyboards. hardly pretentious.
and that anon asked about the emotional quality, not how groundbreaking it was. admittedly exai was the album where they probably stayed the most static, but i think it's refreshing that they finally decided to polish up and expand upon the previous sounds and styles they've laid out - working vertically as opposed to forward - instead of deciding to change it up just for the sake of changing it up (like i would have liked to see what they would have done if they stuck to the approach and aesthetic used on oversteps while improving upon it, but I digress). and I really, really don't get the random sounds strung together thing. to me each track evolves in a satisfying way, though imo it's definitely showcased more on the longer tracks where they really excel. one thing i will agree with you is that ae struggle at times to make a cohesive album experience, because it IS just a bunch of tracks they've been working on as opposed to an envisioned album "concept, " but that's always been their modus operandi - incunabula was literally a compilation with tracks chosen by warp. it's just all up to perception i suppose, because as "cold" as autechre can get, their music still comes across as incredibly sincere and has the power to resonate with me emotionally. ymmv.
>>61212121
You're crafting a very weak argument.
" because 'muh textures...' " isn't evidence on any front due to the fact that the quoted statement is not representing a clear opinion. I'd go as far as to say that that piece of "evidence" is merely a meme you chose in hopes that the viewer automatically knows what you are representing; do not assume this.
Also, let's take a step back and remind ourselves that music (and aesthetics in general) are completely subjective; you are commiting a logical fallicy by stating that "you cannot deny (x)". Yes I can and I do deny that claim; therefore rendering your argument invalid.
You have also gone to state that authenticity relates to "basically telling their fans to fuck off"; as far as I can tell, there is no relation between these two entities. If you can provide proper evidence regarding their relation, please do so.
In my opinion, Autechre's 2001-2005 period was and extremely explorative time in IDM. You have every right to your opinions, just don't pretend to know objective facts regarding aesthetics; it isn't possible.
>>61212456
>made for some purpose
not the same as
>good only at that purpose
anyways
>>61212447
>Because it isn't truly breaking any new ground
so you'd have different emotions depending on what order you listen to the albums in?
>>61213230
>good only at that purpose
Except I didn't say that...? I said it was BEST played at club i.e. most effective/has the most impact (as that's the environment it's made for) not that it was ONLY good played at clubs. I feel like you're misunderstanding me on purpose at this point.
Anyways.
>>61213364
that's same as saying the tb303 sounds BEST on an Interpol record i.e. most effective/has the most impact (because it was designed to replace your bassist)
i.e. sorta idiotic
anyways
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OsSmEj1Mjng
>>61213520
I don't see how, really. I mean, talk to pretty much any dance producer or DJ and they'll tell you that they make music to play at clubs, and even in the production methods they use (mostly for the bass) that it's supported more on a heavy sound-system/speakers that generally are used for clubs and not home use - therefore leading to a stronger sound. Of course it can vary - there are certain types of techno that I think lend themselves to be played at home - and the word "best" implies subjectivity, but imo it's not idiotic to say that music at it's most effective = music at it's best.
>>61212501
FSOL is amazing. Lifeforms is god-tier. Just a shame that the bulk of their catalog is rehashed shit
>>61213685
Isn't that because a lot of it is just old, archived stuff made at the same time as each other?
Anyone hyped for the new VSnares album? Your Face and Thank You were pretty good releases this year.
>>61213710
Some, but there's also a lot of remixing/reworking done to the stuff that was released
>>61210168
Holy shit, I thought I was the only person on /mu/ who liked Qebrus. He's a great artist but his whole alien shtick is painfully lame. He could maybe get big if he dropped the roleplaying, got off bandcamp, and signed on to a major label. Then again I don't know what the fuck I'm talking about so whatever. Have you heard of Rob Clouth?
>>61213784
It's gonna be god-tier
I thought Aaron fell off after Filth/My So-Called Life but I'm pretty sure I'm gonna be wrong
it bothers me that boc isn't in this pic, therefore the "list goes on..." musicians aren't all together.
Been listening to electronic for years and just got around to Ae, with Confield. Really looking forward to exploring.
>>61212447
please for the love of GOD dont ever unironically bring up "authenticity" ever again
>>61213991
yeah i have, libet tones is probably my favorite thing associated with the idm tag, apart from some autechre
but i didnt kno he released another album under his birth name, so thanks
>>61215336
>please for the love of GOD dont ever unironically bring up "authenticity" ever again
?
>>61208582
For me they're all winter, haha.
Oversteps is definitely winter though. There's nothing more "icy" than FM synth bell sounds which they use all over it.
>>61212447
I can see where you're coming from, and there was a time when I would almost agree with you, but it's so annoying when people post their opinions as facts, with the attitude that there is literally no way they will ever change their mind.
Like I said, a few years ago I would have agreed with you, except that hopefully I wouldn't have been so completely, 100% sure about it. And now I've completely changed my mind. Fortunately I've allowed myself the space to do that, because I don't ever fully believe my opinions to be rock solid facts, just temporary impressions.
what are some good unknown IDM artists with a unique style
taking any recs since I'm bored tee bee ayche
>>61208790
Most of those aren't IDM
>>61216457
psilodump
venetian snares is the mindless self indulgence of idm
>>61217761
VS is not IDM, he produces breakcore.
Breakcore is not IDM, its breakcore.
>>61217844
>wikipedia
>>61217863
>RYM
ahahahahahaaha fucking retards
>>61212447
What a shitty opinion. I'm sorry you don't get Autechre's best music
>>61217895
>urban dictionary
oh my fucking god
>>61217888
>>61217928
a+ retorts
>>61211991
>anything not meant for extroverted partying is muh fedora
kill yourself you obnoxious cunt
>>61217761
>brekcore is the mindless self indulgence of idm
*ftfy
PROTIP: Not everything that isn't played at Ultra Music Festival is IDM
>>61211396
Love EDM. Went to a few EDM concerts and they all fucking suck. EDM will forever be better to me when at my computer listening to it through good headphones.
>>61218013
fuck off american
>>61218026
>>61218063
I am so fucking tired of retards treating this whole "posting on 4chan" shit as a silly joke or something
there is nothing funny about calling all club music the name of a commercialized, soulless trash style after being appropriated by the american mass
you don't know the suffering that the three letter E, D and M inflicts upon true oldschool clubheads
>>61218100
>oldschool clubheads
lol you're probably 20, at most.
>>61218100
fuck I am so nervous now I can't cannot type correctly anymore
brave /mu/ you and your shitty jokes have finally driven me to suicide
well done
>>61218100
Americans are mentally retarded as a whole, what do you expect?
i'm so cold
>>61218131
I'm gonna rape you
>>61218010
so much this
stop labelling everything not club bangers IDM to try feel better about listening to it, IDM is just ambient techno with a bit of experimentation
>>61218143
>implying IDM bangers don't exist
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2XEyIDiTIX0
>IDM is just ambient techno with a bit of experimentation
I wish it stayed that way tbhf. IDM turned to absolute shite when it decided to parody jungle music and gabber instead of reviving detroit techno with a twist.
>>61218143
>>61218010
>>61218100
Who gives a shit what anything is labeled, the label doesn't change what it actually is. Labels and genres are only forced interpretation
>>61212121
>>61212121
I completely disagree, I think the problem lies with your perception of their newer music. I Autechre have been progressively going deeper and getting more exciting, it's not complete automation at all, there's a lot of artistic judgement that goes into their music. I also disagree that it's all emotionless wank, LP5 and Exai have some of Autechres most intimate and emotionally deep moments throught. Textures and programming dig deeper into what music can make you feel and take you to even further places.
>>61218013
Okay, if that's how you feel then cool, but you're gonna have to expand on "EDM concerts." I wasn't talking about a bunch of corporate festivals playing big room or brostep, I'm talking about actual clubs with DJs.
>>61218178
>I wish it stayed that way tbhf. IDM turned to absolute shite when it decided to parody jungle music and gabber instead of reviving detroit techno with a twist.
Yeah
>>61217761
>>61217989
This too tbqh
>thread eventually devolves into bickering over what IDM precisely is
who gives a fuck, post tunes
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h7NIUeSUvXA&index=118&list=LLAYh0G1N106wNxVFQunuAtw
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eYNGy5k53k8&list=LLAYh0G1N106wNxVFQunuAtw&index=121
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y4eOe1xLCvQ&list=LLAYh0G1N106wNxVFQunuAtw&index=126
>>61217983
>extroverted
>partying
lol go to a real club, not some bottle service eidm paradise
Any of you listened to the 5 newer shows from AE_Live?
>>61218597
Good choices sir
>>61219769
Yeah, they're all better than the 2014 sets imo
Fav is second half of Grafenichtenlichten
>>61217825
>what is winter in the belly of a snake
>what is huge chrome cylinder box unfolding
is gesaffelstein idem?
>>61220887
>idem
as in edm-ized idm?
yeah
bump
>>61219769
got the link ?
>>61212221
Gave this another listen in the time since you posted it. Great album, love the style and certain tracks, Hasty Boom Alert in particular is amazing and title track is a lot of fun. Dark vibes on Wannabe and London kinda spoil the second half a bit for me though.
>>61216457
see:
>>61208831
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9E_dCMRhkFA
I love this kind of music where I don't really know how people decide whether it's instrumental electronic/synth pop or idm, or both
If idm's loose definition wasn't restricted by it's establishment in the early 90s surely we'd just be calling Kraftwerk and Yellow Magic Orchestra idm as well? What's the difference? Aren't they pretty much proto-idm?
>>61223173
John Cage, Miles Davis and Deadmau5 are IDM too.
>>61223173
they are to me
what do you guys think of
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dpfzg3R56sQ&list=PL91A680DBEE4BEE3D
and
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kkR8tLC2MAw&list=PLulrCK3Q02dZO1aCrTrTKvnblT1OibciP
>>61223173
>Aren't they pretty much proto-idm?
yup
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=arrDJNxoM9Y
GOAT IDM track. Encompasses both winter and summer, both nature and industrial society, both white and black culture
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D1D91BOyIoU
>>61223356
Oh shit this is great, nice
>none of you faggots realise breakcore started from alec empire
smtbhfamh
>>61224834
This
Breakcore started thanks to artists from the Digital Hardcore genre. It had nothing to do with IDM in it's beginnings.
>>61223341
The Flashbulb is pretty bad, but I like him.
>>61224834
breakcore in it's modern incarnation has more relation with drill and bass than digital hardcore though
>>61224975
Drill n Bass is Breakcore though
breakcore is just post-squarepusher music desu
>>61225013
not quite, both did come out at the same time
>>61214920
what an autistic looking group of people
>>61225041
Squarepusher is post-breakcore music
>>61225013
>Drill n Bass is Breakcore though
idiot itt
>>61225049
Breakcore started in 1993
Drill n Bass started in 1996
>>61225060
>no arguments
You are the idiot
>>61225087
post some 1993 breakcore then
breakcore is what happens when you let death metal fans try to make jungle
>>61225013
>>61224975
Breakcore is an even more hardcore take on hardcore dance music whereas drill and bass is a pretentious, to the point of parody, take on jungle music. Extremely hardcore and extremely pretentious happen to mix pretty well apparently.
>>61225103
Alec Empire - Bass Terror EP
>>61225110
No, that's just Igorrr (<3)
>>61225124
Drill n Bass evolved from Breakcore by removing all the hardcore elements of it.
>>61207952
what's the best intro to this genre? I heard some aphex twin that I didn't really cared about and my favorite genre is jazz
>>61225124
both are rather naff tbqh
>>61225148
>Drill n Bass evolved from Breakcore
The first drill and bass EP's (AFX's Hangable Auto Bulb and The Plug's Visible Crater Funk) don't host any 1st wave breakcore elements in them. The latter in fact is pretty much just jungle.
>>61225148
bass terror, don't get me wrong it's good and dirty but a lot of it is just straight amen loops, it's not really hyperprogrammed
but i guess people have different ideas about what breakcore is
anyway fuck breakcore apart from snares
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>>61225221
>don't host any 1st wave breakcore elements in them
Except, maybe, the chaotic breaks?
>>61225325
Yeah, I guess
anyways, fuck breakcore apart from lolicore
>>61225505
chaotic breaks are a part of jungle too...
>>61225325
Breakcore has it's roots in digital hardcore, which was gabber or/and jungle mixed with punk or metal or simply distorted - all for the purpose of exxtremity, later when the guys and gals realized disrtortion wasn't chaotic and pvnk enough they fused it with the complexoparodyingish beatfuckery of drill and bass and made what we all know nowdays as modern breakcore.
og breakcore is digital hardcore.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f1yYyv-6kkw
eventually fused with drill and bass
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pugC5qZ_SXU
it becomes modern breakcore.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=orzkAUY9Te0
In any case both breakcore and drill and bass are overrated compared to standard jungle, a genre quite overlooked in it's heyday due to the silly mindset some (most) people would hold that all it was was boring ragga jungle.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1n2RShp98Fw
>>61225532
Uhm... I haven't heard that much Jungle, but Urban Jungle is supposed to be Jungle, yet his breaks aren't chaotic in the slightest.
>>61225087
>no arguments
>has no arguments to start with
fag
>>61225631
mate this is an average jungle track from 92
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sd5l1-yz3X4
notice how it's way more chaotic than alec empire
but he might have been the first to [intentionally] distort his breaks, altho nah cos people like mark stewart did that in like 86
>>61225675
Breakcore predates Drill n Bass, Drill n Bass has
Breakcore elements, therefore Drill n Bass is
Breakcore (which is not the same as saying
Breakcore is Drill n Bass)
breakcore is literally just jungle with metal guitars
>>61225712
I'm listening to this right now
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1n2RShp98Fw
And the breaks don't seem to be particularly chaotic if you ask me.
>>61225739
You don't listen to much Breakcore it seems
>>61225739
*digital hardcore
>>61225183
I usually recommend Tri Repetae but I honestly have no idea if your jazz background will influence your response
>>61225728
>Breakcore predates Drill n Bas
no
>Drill n Bass has Breakcore elements
such as what, nice argument btw
> therefore Drill n Bass is
Breakcore
is your entire trip some elaborate joke that i'm not getting
>>61225712
I don't really think that's more "chaotic" than anything of The Destroyer.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=--z0yPWXwEk
I've got some late 90's/early 00's questions
Why were Bola and Squarepusher so maddeningly inconsistent? So many brilliant songs and boring, mediocre or terrible songs sometimes within the same album.
Why did Jega go IRL insane after Geometry?
Did anyone make noirish jungle/d&b of the same quality as this guy?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6hjiXM1P4T8&index=6&list=PL3A0B96F563F9019F
>>61225183
It's barely a real genre, but try with Squarepusher's Hard Normal Daddy
>>61225866
>no
Literally yes
Breakcore started in 1993 with Alec Empire's Bass Terror EP
Drill n Bass started in 1996 with Squarepusher's Feed Me Weird Things
>such as what, nice argument btw
Chaotic breaks
I already said that before
>is your entire trip some elaborate joke that i'm not getting
>I can't be wrong, so it's obvious the other poster is retarded or trolling
Also, ad hominem
>>61225712
That's not really chaotic if you ask me...
>>61225947
Hard Normal Daddy is very consistent, imo
>>61225761
>>61225909
The Destroyer and early Empire in general, when he's not distorted jungle, is breakbeat hardcore with industrial music elements. Link related is standard breakbeat hardcore.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tTN76J_zMEo
The 4hero track I posted earlier was an example of rhythmic creativity in jungle btw, not an example of general chaoticness in jungle music.
>>61225995
>Hard Normal Daddy is very consistent, imo
>one album in a huge oeuvre is consistent
>>61225998
>The 4hero track I posted earlier was an example of rhythmic creativity in jungle btw, not an example of general chaoticness in jungle music.
Oh, it's alright. But wouldn't that classify as an "average" jungle recording?
>>61226034
Just sayin'...
>>61225998
Yeah, the thing about 4 Hero and Jungle in general is that when it became a "proper" movement it became much polished and refined in a way (yet still could be very dirty)
Earlier jungle, when it was just a bunch of guys who didn't exactly know what they were doing , was much more experimental and grimey, and they were doing some crazy shit with sampling too.
This comp doesn't include the super early stuff I was speaking about (a lot of that stuff is on dubplates or white labels and aren't on youtube), but I'd say it contains some tunes that are a bit nuttier
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5_sJWCphX9c
>>61225995
RDJ's Hangable Auto Bulb is widely regarded as the first drill and bass release. As for what started breakcore, I'm still inclined to say that the Digital Hardcore Recordings label kicktarted breakcore with it's blend of hardcore genres (hardcore techno with breakbeat hardcore and other hardcore genres like noise, industrial and punk music) than that particular Empire EP, which still sounds too close to standard breakbeat hardcore music.
>>61226048
4hero are among the top in the jungle game, m8.
>>61225183
Not really IDM but try Amon Tobin
His shit blows Squarepusher out of the water
Also maybe try Jega for IDM stuff
>>61225947
They (Squarepusher especially) are people with decent talent who descended into hackness pretty quickly
Also what happened to Jega?
>>61225947
>Why did Jega go IRL insane after Geometry?
source?
>>61226211
>>61226219
looks like we're part of the hivemind freindo
>>61226153
>RDJ's Hangable Auto Bulb is widely regarded as the first drill and bass release.
Plug
>>61226309
...technically predates HAB but isn't as widely regarded because RDJ is more popular than Vibert
But yeah I stand corrected.
>>61226048
>>61226048
There is no "average" jungle recording, like every genre there are different styles. Like someone else mentioned, 4 Hero and later Omni Trio are tops but are often more restrained. A lot of Ragga jungle was much more chaotic and crazy.
>>61208582
They're all winter Tbh. Except Chiastic, that one is very summer-y
>>61226153
Well, Bass Terror EP still predates Drill n Bass then.
>4hero are among the top in the jungle game, m8.
Average in terms of style, not "quality"
>>61226166
>His shit blows Squarepusher out of the water
They are both pretty different.
>>61226417
It's alright.
>>61226458
the ep predates drill and bass but is still hardly similar to drill and bass or even related to it (sans predating breakcore)
bass terror ep = industrial + hardcore music
drill and bass = orchestral music + jungle
>>61226458
>It's alright.
What's this in reference to?
Bought this on vinyl for $4 used the other day 'cuz fuck it, I'm looking to get some folk stuff. I'm really loving them, would have easily paid $8 for this. Can't wait to explore the rest of their discography.
Stand the fuck back, I've got this.
>first breakcore tune
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d7cvMg9nHY4
>first drill and bass tune
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PDluEia22oA
>first jungle/dnb tune
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GxZuq57_bYM
>first breakbeat hardcore tune
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bVl2_MSwmSA
>>61226609
>first jungle/dnb tune
>The Winstons - Amen Brother
Uhm...
No
Just because it has a drum break doesn't mean it's jungle. Because of this we could go as far as the 20s or 30s and select a random jazz drum break or whatever.
>>61225995
>stupid noncontributing post
>calls out ad hominem
>uses ad hominem himself
i see what the joke is finally
>>61226812
>stupid noncontributing post
Fuck off and read the whole post
>uses ad hominem himself
Where?
>>61226505
I guess you are right
Everything is jungle
>>61226915
>Hello Everything is jungle
ftfy
>>61226609
what
>>61227239
What?
>>61227292
"what"
>>61227341
Sounds good.
>>61227372
wow
>>61225183
try more APHEX
>>61225631
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UEodf9bPsJQ
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dnY5q-IYqfw
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D7h4n--qgYE
>>61225183
You might actually get into Squarepusher's Music Is Rotted One Note. It draws really immensely from Herbie Hancock's synth work.
