https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yF6bA4Xgi5g
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aJUY3FOG3YE
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XLeTiSF9048
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6Wg0LIHuGEA
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EHtrJiA9qOU
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DDq2zdNPDoE
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d5ePOeQTXMQ
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wl3YUGHyEMc
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JWVeOErkzIA
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xp9zhpuRlUw
>>61185441
>tfw my akutagawa and yoshimatsu shilling finally worked
It's like I control all of /classical/
>>61185441
Damn Mozart is qt...
>tfw no Mahler anime
>>61185628
>tfw the artist didnt draw any modern composers because they're all ugly as fuck
I mean imagine having to draw THIS
>>61185441
>tfw no kawaii Mendelssohn bf
Anyway lads, post your favorite piano concertos. I cannot get enough of that shit
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6iGxsoN29G0
>>61185668
>Kissin on Prokofiev
Eww gross. Godly concerto though definitely one of my favourites.
Here are some other favs of mine
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uAymD_BL_qI
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w7MTZP0jAxo
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JFIGoB7rK70
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tl2J2UEsTxA
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hfZPAjgU4Dc
>>61185566
I've been shilling them for a while too...
along with hosokawa
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ji0gxsRp71M
>>61185790
Kissin's performance isn't too bad, but it's definitely not ideal
And your picks are great btw. Will listen to the ones I haven't listened to
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CCeo1vyewEg
This is an alright performance of the same piece
>>61185668
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W3XKeqy8xd4
>>61185668
Pic related lad
>>61185836
Didn't really like this one desu.
>>61185837
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pt7ps6cx2KE
Despite the slow tempi Petrov by far has my favourite interpretation of Prokofiev 2. The conversation between the orchestra and him are amazing here and I think are the tempi feel natural, especially in the third movement.
>>61185668
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HIbRnEht3Tc
>>61186008
Oh that is a great interpretation. The tempi is a tad slow, but I feel like it's somewhat beneficial in that it conveys the "weighty" nature of the piece, if that makes any sense.
Definitely great communication with the orchestra too. The dynamics are sublime
>start listening to a piece
>all is well
>suddenly it goes into that stupid fucking Shostakovian xylophone, marimba whatever it is clickity clack garbage
Anyone else hate this?
>>61186041
Never actually heard Martinu before. Hopefully it's not Poly-core
>>61186156
There's a mistake somewhere in the cadenza before the orchestra comes back in but otherwise it's my favourite.
>>61186205
I'm not surprised at all, honestly. One of my friends who was majoring in music had to do the piece for his senior performance, and later on he told me he "barely made it through."
It's a difficult piece, a mistake here and there is excusable IMO
>>61185668
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5M7mtxfsfuU
>>61186448
>not 17
>>61185441
am i the only one that would fuck the shit out of schubert?
>>61186539
Yes Richard.
>>61186539
Dude that's fucking gross Schuman, Liszt, Mendelssohn and young Brahms are obviously better looking
Debussy looks out of place desu
>>61186205
Poly likes him a lot it seems, I'd recommend starting with his 4th symphony, Bamberger Symphoniker's 1987 rendition
>>61186627
>only young Brahms
>not liking old Brahms too
Faggot detected.
>>61186205
xylophone is goat
shostakovich symphony no. 4, 5 and 14 have particularly good xylophone parts
>>61186657
Thanks family I'll give it a listen. I liked the concerto that anon posted
>>61186719
Shosty 4 is the only thing I can really tolerate by him other than his Jazz meme suite. I would honestly rather commit suicide than listen to his overblown "le ironic oppressed Russian music". He was a milquetoast faglord who let the Russian government walk all over him. Also the stupid xylophone thing is annoying and grating I can't stand it.
>>61185441
Oh shit, man I need more of pic related
I normally cringe at stuff like that but those were fantastic. Source?
>>61186944
no idea. there's another pic with chibi composers/conductors that is pretty good, but I don't have that one saved.
>>61186899
if the symphonies are too bombastic for you, try his quartets/preludes and fugues/piano quintet in G minor. his chamber music is generally more restrained.
>>61185668
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aSXtXLAVgkE
I guess you could say it's meme, but this concerto is just fucking good.
Also
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dSX-TewNpb4
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c9WPp-TPNGs
>>61187373
Rach is actually really good.
>>61185668
Top 3
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i-Inv92TG3Y
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i2uYb6bMKyI
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q4vB8p3A8GA
>>61185668
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YGZoKplBhfo
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TxbbYPbUKS4
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zh6xhyncp9I
who's better
Verdi or Wagner?
>>61187934
Verdi by fucking far. Wagner is a boring snore-fest
>>61188024
get a load of this pleb
american I assume
>>61188081
>muh 2 hour+ pieces
>muh leitmotifs
>muh whole notes
Please show me a Wagner piece that isn't slow boring inane shit full of whole/half notes. Actually, show me a Wagner piece under 30 minutes and I'll be thoroughly impressed.
>>61188255
WWV 21
Classical music is pointless, like worshiping the ashes of a dead civilization.
spoopy
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fzzCpL_i7K8
>>61188555
You'll grow out of your Tool phase one day, anon.
>>61188674
You call THAT spooky?!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fYQunqtod6o
>>61188555
>underrating Mozart
>>61188555
it's because you only listened Bach
try Einaudi and come back, that's modern and real, enjoyable music
>>61188255
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f0QsSCPoa0w
>>61188555
What is the "point" of any music, do you think? I'm genuinely curious.
>>61188674
Not even the spookiest Alkan piece
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uy8GFclwEP4
OP's image reminded me this exists.
>>61186627
>>61186539
>not Dvorak
bunch of faggots
>>61188963
>>61189449
da fuq!?!?
linking Einaudi is not fedora
pretending to like Bach is fedora
you know nothing Jon Snow
What do you guys think led to Scriabin changing his harmonic language?
My grandfather died. What suitable music is there for this?
I'm doing a string quartet piece (or movement at least) in rondo form
If the sections are say: ABACAB'A
does each section repeat?
also, >>61185441
>tfw no chopin bf
>>61190044
>pretending
How light can something be before it's no longer considered classical?
>>61190044
>you know nothing Jon Snow
What do you guys think of The Force Awakens soundtrack? I feel like Williams has given in too much to cheese. Rey's theme in particular is practically Einaudi tier.
>>61190429
I'm sorry
Duruflé requiem seems appropriated
>>61185441
brahms is pretty moe
>>61190461
It doesn't matter, though repeat signs are more charactistic of the eighteenth century and earlier so it depends on what stylistic umbrella you are operating under.
>>61190690
even the prequel soundtracks were going downhill, they only have a few memorable tracks compared to the original trilogy, and he started using EPIC CHANTING and low bass vocals too much
and i shouldn't even have to mention the shitty fucking parade song from phantom menace
+ Vivaldi, Bach, Tchaikovsky, Debussy
>>61191087
>>61190789
Fuck off Ame
>>61185441
mozart more like moezart
>>61185441
Schubert looks smug as hell.
Anime about composers when?
>headmaster Von Bingen
>homoerotic Vivaldi and Bach seniors
>Chopin and Liszt romance subplot
>tsundere Beethoven and Haydn romance subplot
Also are there any good anime about classical music aside from Nodame Cantabile?
>>61185668
>listening to the keyboard Jew
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZUT_dGu3DUk
>>61191696
>von memen
When will this meme die?
>homoerotic Vivaldi and Bach
Try Corelli and Fornari instead.
Can you fags post some good recordings of literally anything thanks.
>>61191766
You mean Porpora and trap Farineli teacher-student sexual relations
>>61191791
https://mega.nz/#!DUJRAZyY!dWfywXlfHh624jBdJXEcroMBT72r9bCD8s3JEuVixR8
https://mega.nz/#!OFJgGCrL!F22FT-oGxLtl8Uvultzp92ghsRaSXdqf3SiwJVb4H4M
https://mega.nz/#!TcYXAapT!RjnKRaDS0-3ROcgkqg0C4Atg3xZ9XQnCRVDa3mmtmUY
>>61190429
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r3joiJYXMa0
>>61190601
Its not a question of lightness, its a question of being written by trained composers.
Music only ceases to be classical when its no longer written by a trained composer
>Fell for the Rachmaninoff is bad meme
>Only now listening to his piano concertos for the first time
>>61192412
>Ever paying attention to /classical/ memes or opinions.
you do it to yourself lol
Mendelssohn's piano concerti are better
>>61192412
>fell for the "Rachmaninoff is bad meme" meme
Who's your favorite Japanese musician?
Hard mode: no Suzuki
>no satie
lmao cool thread nerds
>>61193893
Yasunori Imamura
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cx9G9jts_wI
>>61193951
>Satie
see >>61189449
>>61193951
>Satie
>>61193893
probably SPINGO BLINK
>>61185441
wow this reminds me of that JRPG Eternal Sonata which is about Chopin
it's pretty crazy
>>61187836
>stereo RS3D
what is this meme
>>61187934
hard to say
things like Otello and Falstaff are more concise and are better off for it, it never really jerks you around like some of Wagner's works. the second Act of Die Walkure for instance is front loaded with all this conflict boiling up in Wotan, but it opens up with a re-cap bullshit as well that makes you want to fall asleep.
but things like Gotterdammerung and Tristan und Isolde are pretty great from beginning to end in my opinion (Gotterdammerung's opening prologue before the love duet can be a bit stale, but from there it's a complete and engaging romp from beginning to end), and then you have things like Parsifal which have moments that trump anything else that Wagner wrote (though it is undermined by the overall pacing of the opera).
>>61188255
further proof that Wagner must be played sanic speeds as was intended by the composer
>>61190397
increasing mysticism and the taste of 15 year old twat
>>61196279
wow very rude
pls dont bully the scriabin
>>61196257
>it is time, you know what to do
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HgCujmTDfUg
>>61196304
wow, that is something else
>there's an entire channel full of the stuff
im not even sure what to say.
honestly though i probably cant judge to harshly, there are a few moments in Karajan's ring where i have a little thought in the back of my head telling me that it would probably sound better if i sped it up even by 3% in audition or something
and i am guilty of fixing some of the bad notes in Scherchen's Lugano cycle with Beethoven, as dirty as that feels.
actually iirc, the M&A set of Andrae's Bruckner is littered with these kind of alterations. the guy who did the production on the reissue talks about it on a google groups chat where he goes somewhat into detail on how he went through every movement very carefully, identifying the segments where bad notes exist, then he would extract that particular section of audio, pitch shift it using an appropriate reference and then put it back in.
>>61196510
>Not getting off to the bad notes
Wow, do you even historically meme?
>>61196510
yeah well thats done pretty much to every modern studio recording now (and sometimes live recordings).
(also quite frankly i dont even think scherchen's lugano cycle is worth fixing)
This general is the only thread I've ever read on /mu/.
>>61196562
yeah, i know, but even minor alterations in reissues of very old recordings are usually pretty frowned upon by purists, even if its just a coughing noise being made in like a pause or something.
and i didnt go through the entire lugano cyclr note by note like some autist, just kind of fixed a handful of flubs that really bugged me.
wow, nice tread nerds
and there are people saying that /classical/ is the most serious, qualified general on /mu/
I should print this thread and use it as toilet paper
>>61196651
Yes, but then you might paper cut your asshole and that sounds pretty painful m8
>>61196651
>everybody here already does that with poly's posts
>>61196687
>implying his posts are good enough to clean my ass
>>61196704
whats the use of shitposting then
>>61196651
Says that much about the rest of /mu/, fagtron.
>>61196651
We are a beacon of rational and intelligent memes.
>>61196687
>>61196704
samefag as fuck
>>61196687
anon I think you need to learn how greentexting works
a better usage would have been:
>Implying everyone here doesn't already do that with poly's posts
note well the use of the word "implying"
Greentext is for direct quotation of a post, or for implications. You can't just make a statement in greentext and expect it to work. If you had left out the ">" your post would have been more correct.
>>61196896
see >>61197004
>>61196687 didn't understand how to greentext, >>61196704 did.
>>61191696
there's one about band music called Sound! Euphonium that's pretty good.
>>61191983
So are these guys a legit topic of discussion?
death
>>61199990
mozart
underrated
>>61191696
You could play Eternal Sonata
Here's the thing about Mozart. The man had some serious pipes. He had a 4 octave hand span and he excelled in any octave. He wrote brilliant counterpoint. And his stage presence was only matched by Adolf Hitler. Seriously, watch him play piano concertos at the court and then watch a video of the Nuremburg rallies. We had better thank our lucky stars Mozart didn't go into politics or he would have taken over the world. But the first Viennese school as a whole had a brilliant dynamic. It wasn't just Mozart's backup composers. They all made huge creative contributions to what made music what it is. Yes, Mozart wrore the Magic Flute, the 41th, and Fantasia in C, but Haydn wrote the Farewell symphony, string quartets, and the Creation, Beethoven wrote the 9th, the 3rd, and his sonatas. Other schools like the second Viennese school for instance were not like that. It was basically just the Schoenberg backup school. The first Viennese school was this perfect storm of legendary talent, and Mozart was the face of it all, the delicious cherry on top of an already delicious sundae. He was the ambassador that allowed the amazing talent of combo that was the School to be brought into our lives. He was the prism that focused the lazer beams from the brains of Haydn and Beethoven and amplified them until they were powerful enough to blow our minds out through our ear holes. Yes, he was the most incredible front man who ever lived, hands down.
>>61191696
your mind is full of faggotry
>/classical/
well, not a surprise
>>61191766
>Try Corelli and Fornari instead.
>Not Lully and Charpentier
>>61191983
Did you know that many composers were not "trained" at all
>>61196618
Pretty sure that's most of us senpai
can someone recommend me some Wagner please.
>>61191696
Well there is LOGH who's entire soundtrack is classical. Not about composers per say, but if latent homoerotic interactions being played out over Mahlers 3rd sounds like your cup of tea, give it a shot.
>>61201029
tristan und isolde is both a great starting point and one of his best
>>61201036
>latent homoerotic interactions
hey now
>latent homoerotic interactions
That's the essence of romantic era described in 3 words.
>>61201036
>who's
>per say
best thing from 2015 ?? i mean some new pieces not reconducted stuff from past Eras
>>61200807
Lol fucking who?
>>61201732
Telemann
What's some good classical christmas music? All I know is Russian Christmas Music by Alfred Reed
>>61200576
something tells me the original was about Freddy Mercury.
>4 octave hand span
kek
>>61201657
most new music is boring "experimental" trash like someone making a orchestra playing ambient music (not as interesting as it sounds)
>>61189005
>>61189005
>wagner is a disease
>i accidentally a wagnerian thing
>>61202173
pottery
can't fucking stand tchiakovsky
funny how the best russian composers are from the 20th century, like Stravinsky and Shostakovitch and a few other. Everything before them is too overwrought.
Scriabin is good. Moussorgsky is eh
Pleb here, I love dramatic bombastic and dark pieces like for example
Carl Orff - Carmina Burana
Verdi - Dies Rae
Bruckner - Symphony no 8, 4th movement
Mahler - Symphony no 6
Shit like that, I got a few recomendations in the last thread and I was hoping I could get a few more.
>>61202246
Tchaikovsky was a just a pseudo-German, i.e. bad.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mjct5M8JzL4
>tfw even BERNSTEIN says beethoven was a shitter whose only merit was FORM
>tfw menopausal academics on suicide watch
Any good piano piece to study? Playing folk on my Clavi has been very dull;
>>61202246
>Moussorgsky is eh
Opinion discarded.
>>61202283
on the other hand, Modest was anti-German, listen to his songs of death or Godunov, this stuff is pure gold of non-German protomodernism
>>61202246
>Moussorgsky is eh
lmao pleb
>>61202537
Chopin's fantasie-improptu op. 66
Liszt's Mazeppa etude
*marches into the thread*
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vqSG6BkuwIw
>>>/his/447745
How does this thread make you feel, /classical/?
>>61203875
Bad, sad and dead.
>>61203875
>that Ame post
>>61203819
AEIOU
GOTT ERHALTE FRANZ DEN KAISER
>there are people in this thread RIGHT NOW
>who don't understand the buzzwords they are using
>eg. Texture, form, post-modernism, dynamics the list goes on
Also the thread is literally titled Japanese edition, and no one even mentions the best composer of the 20th century?
what is wrong with all of you?
>pretty good performance of this piece
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kWipy3Q6gAI
>ok performance of this piece
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nGgrEqYja9M
>>61203875
Educated
>>61185628
I wish there was a jap cartoon with Mussorgsky
rec me some third stream
/wsr/ is no help
>>61203875
>why is there no contemporary music
>music
There's your problem. Music is the least important thing in the Classical music circles today. The most important thing is idol worship, dogma, memes, myth, furiously masturbating over how IMPORTANT, BRILLIANT, and TITANIC the COMPOSERS were. The MUSIC and all of its MUSICAL attributes - important, brilliant, and titanic being amusical ones - is literally irrelevant at best.
>OH MY GPOD DID TOU HEAR THIS FUGUE IT HAS 678459384675t38574 |BOICES AND TWUICE AND MABYT NOTES BACH WAS SOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO SMART LIKE 100 SMARTER THAN KE I NEED AN ADULT I'M GONNA CUM FUUUUUUUCKMUDICK
>listen to said fugue
>pic related
>hush now what you hear doesn't matter
It's LITERALLY a circlejerk in every sense of the word. A perfect echo chamber of academic wankery that contains no music, no discussion about music, and viciously insists on having as many things as possible between the music and the listener.
>>61204591
are you telling me that you dont climax to bach's music at least 5 times a day
![drag-festival-533x650[2].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/0NcroKE.jpg "drag-festival-533x650[2].jpg")
who makes better music?
protestants (pic related) or catholic?
![RichardWagner[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/QuoUduD.jpg "RichardWagner[1].jpg")
>>61204738
atheists.
/thread
>>61204738
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z9cnyfET1lE
Ancient one's worshipers, obviously.
>>61204882
back to reddit
does anyone know an online catalog of the EMI references series? the ones i found are all incomplete.
>>61204916
I'll back YOUR reddit.
>>61191696
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kf0HYeQp760
Sakamoto
>>61204954
>>>/wsr/
>>>/adv/
thanks.
>>61204990
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uBzUfjkdPq4
>>61204591
your post made me laugh tbн smн
>>61204738
1 Pagans
2 Buddhists
3 Atheists, Deists, weird beliefs etc.
4 Christians are ok tier
5 Muslims are shit tier
>>61205200
Can you give some examples for each tier?
Except Christians.
Dai "one man Nanking" Fujikura
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8OgGL0ZV6Qw
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bn91FpdiO0M
he even composed an opera
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=To8omXd6mLg
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SCWoI5T8V40
>>61205200
>implying nasheeds are worse than gregorian chants
>>61205200
>>61205246
1
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6mppf6qOrwM
2
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Li4jHg7CbGc
3
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1JcmnFDoAzU
4
Mozzarella Bach etc.
5
allah akbar[explosion intensifies]
>>61205480
What? I'm fairly religious. Problems, euromurrican?
>>61205538
>>>/b/
>>>/pol/
>>>/reddit/
>>>/gaytheism/
>>>/lgbt/
>>>/high school/
>>61190044
Wow go back to /r/classical faggot
>>61205606
>>61205573
>>61205480
I'm not from reddit you /pol/bastards
and anyway it would not mean anything
>>61205636
Fuck off and go back to listening to your Einaudi pleb shit
>>61205603
Better calm down and listen the music of gods with me c:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8CnhcGpmH9Y
Why haven't you listened to the best composer of all time today?
>>61205685
>typical christian fascist
back off to /pol/
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vU_cBrKlWzU
>>61205790
>Implying Einaudi is worthy of being on /classical/
>>61205836
shut up hater, I'll ignore and hide your posts
>>61205948
Wait, do you genuinely like Einaudi or are you memeing
>>61206002
>oh no people have different tastes from mine, let's kill them
christian obscurantism much?
>>61206122
>let's kill them
Good idea
if you don't like this
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XGr9XW7usdc
you are shit and I clean my ass with your opinions
>>61206156
reported
>>61206219
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YqXZtGyFyDo
Have some non-meme shit it will do you some good
>>61206284
>Musica Antiqua Köln
nice meme
>>61206308
Sorry I can't be bothered to scour youtube for a better recording for you
>>61206284
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hM2dV0vtOd0
what makes you happier? comfier? yours or mine?
>>61206398
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mia9woisQZo
Mine
>>61206398
Charlie Brown 1
Bach 0
>>61206158
Sounds like an anime OP :^)
this thread is autistic as fuck
>>61206426
>Liying on a Cambodian bricklayers consortium bulletin board
>>61206517
nice meme
>>61206474
lmao I was on /vp/ and they directed me here
so is this /classica/, supposedly the intellectual board of 4chan? top kek
>>61206284
>non-meme shit
>Musica Antiqua Köln
Fuck off Poly.
>>61206610
>I was on /vp/
Disgusting.
>>61206610
what? really?
they sent us here from /s4s/
AYYYYYYYYYYYYY
![1450675084721[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/BVWgIzQ.jpg "1450675084721[1].jpg")
>>61206641
AWOOOOOOOOO
![latest[1].png](https://i.imgur.com/CCO7edY.png "latest[1].png")
>>61196279
Scriabin was a player desu
>>61202173
How the literal fuck did you know I was the same person who didn't like Wagner
Also if Wagner sounds like that I would like some pieces similar
>>61207355
>How the literal fuck did you know I was the same person who didn't like Wagner
you stink of pleb
>>61207652
Wow rude
>>61207766
sorry bro, I wanted to act edgy to impress anonymous people on an image board
>>61207870
Shame on you.
>>61207913
I deserve this.. it's even Christmas..
>>61207965
This is a good lesson for you, boy. Remember it.
![[gg]_Pani_Poni_Dash_23_[851EAF81].avi_snapshot_16.11_[2015.10.10_14.22.16].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/YKQrMh6.jpg "[gg]_Pani_Poni_Dash_23_[851EAF81].avi_snapshot_16.11_[2015.10.10_14.22.16].jpg")
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GvL_lMB7DCk
![[HorribleSubs] Hibike! Euphonium - 01 [720p][AAC].mp4_snapshot_11.03_[2015.04.14_15.41.35].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/5H5ZdnF.jpg "[HorribleSubs] Hibike! Euphonium - 01 [720p][AAC].mp4_snapshot_11.03_[2015.04.14_15.41.35].jpg")
>>61198264
>Brassfags, the Animation
>>61193893
Akiko Suwanai. Her Tchaikovsky VC blows me away. I can't listen to anybody else.
And dem cute bangs.
>>61209950
>her
>blows me
mmmhmm
>>61202413
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mjct5M8JzL4
And a retort!
>>61210058
OrchestrationOnline is my shit desu senpai
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DCP58BigEfw
Do you guys understand all of this?
>>61210336
I do, there's nothing special
>>61210434
does this give a decent example of how educated people tend to analyze music, at least in a basic way?
>>61210448
No, educated people analyze more like this >>61210058
>>61210448
Educated in music maybe
>>61185441
Chopin a qt
>>61210448
Yes, but what's the big deal of musical analysis? It's not rocket science, you know. And remember, it's for professionals. Even composers themselves were not great analysts. You want to appear smart, make an impression on people?
>>61202413
It could be that Bernstain was just talking about Beethoven's symphonies.
>>61210598
Yes, but what's the big deal of rocket science? It's not musical analysis, you know. And remember, it's for professionals. Even engineers themselves were not great scientist. You want to appear smart, make an impression on people?
>>61210682
man that was awful
apply yourself
>>61210598
thanks for catching me. I occasionally get a romantic desire to learn how to analyze music that's usually for the wrong reasons.
>>61210703
>apply yourself
>>61210598
>>61210738
although part of why I ask is also curiosity which is difficult to always just interpret as looking intelligent. sometimes I hear something and I'm filled with awe at how somebody could write it all without hearing it and have it sound so beautiful, and why they chose to do certain things and what makes it a good decision vs. a bad decision.
>>61210785
*wishing to appear intelligent
>>61210468
Do you want to say that this youtube guy has a better education than Leonard Bernstein? Do you people realise that Bernstein gave his lectures to teens and kids, and most videos posted here are these lectures? Do you also realise that the youtube guy makes a serious 20+ min. video analysis of Bernstein exchanging careless banter with his friend who's not even a musician of a music enthusiast?
>>61210785
>good decision vs. a bad decision.
many composers of the past relied heavily on intuition.
Should period pieces be played on non-period instruments?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nawz_64cpHo
>>61210870
I'm saying that when classical music is analyzed, it's more in the vein of what Thomas Goss in the vid I linked than careless banter meant to induce awe in an audience.
>>61200576
>He had a 4 octave hand span
Great
>>61210903
I'm only an amateur composer, but the best moments in my music are usually happy accidents. I can only imagine it being like that with other people too. I mean, I sometimes write algorithmic shit just to discover things that I never could have imagined myself.
So intuition and "discovery that leads to inspiration" are important, I'd say. I usually only use strict logic when my other assets don't have anymore to say.
>>61210682
>Even engineers themselves were not great scientists
How many composers used works of musical analysts to write their music? How many engineers use scientific facts in their work? Does a scientific fact of physics or mathematics equal a fact of musical analysis?
>>61204536
Ikr senpai
>>61210930
>careless banter meant to induce awe in an audience.
Most of Bernstein's lectures are not careless banter, they are thoughtful, honest and interesting. What this guy does, picks a short vid of Bernstein's almost private talk with a friend and makes it look like a musicological scandal. Pathetic. And all these excuses "Bernstein is my all-time hero, but I'm gonna spend all day making a long, useless refutation of this fragment dragged out of context of Bernstein's work and life" are also pathetic. Someone has too much time on his hands. Jeez, some academic scholars are plain annoying.
>>61211011
Mozart, Beethoven etc. all used Fux's counterpoint treatise Gradus Parnassus to write their music, who's based his keyboard works on his research of Palestrina's analysis of counterpoint and composition. It's not something that can't be done.
Mathematical models of harmony can be formulated, see tonnetz and Euler's work. They don't encapsulate the whole of music, but at least it's something. Musical analysis does what these models do except qualitatively.
classical music is for autists
>>61211237
Whatever, man, I'm just answering the original question.
>>61211262
The difference is: the engineer relies heavily on science and mathematics, unlike the musician, who can write great original music intuitively, without a knowledge of the theory (see Mussorgsky, for instance).
>>61211376
Yeah I know.
>>61211011
>>61211262
What's with the massive rear pain whenever the topic of "theory" comes up? Is it really that hard to come to an understanding that music theory is descriptive not prescriptive, that it was formulated _after_ compositions were made in order to describe and justify features found in the music that people _other_ than the composer finds interesting? There's no magical "Music Theory" textbook that acts like a cookbook from which you can extract recipes whenever you want a composition, and follow it to create a finished piece. At most it provides the most basic rules of syntax to apprentices so what comes out wouldn't be incoherent babble. To a professional composer thoughts about theory comes up about as often as thoughts about grammar comes up when you write a letter or a poem, it has absolutely no relevance except on the very lowest level of the composition.
>>61210972
True.
>>61211518
>What's with the massive rear pain whenever the topic of "theory" comes up?
Yeah, what's with it? Ask yourself c:
>>61211518
I think you're the most anally devastated here.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ln9t2tRzg6o
>>61202248
Stravinsky - Rite of Spring
Schnittke - Concerto for piano and Strings
>>61206351
There doesn't exist a better recording.
>>61211376
Mussorksgy was a fucking awful orchestrator though.
All the greatest composers learned at least strict counterpoint. Those who didn't are usually fluxus-tier hippies
>>61211518
There actually are complete musical cookbooks that you could create an entire piece from, just not many people use them, and the ones rely solely on a books usually sound like shit.
Composers have to learn the basic rules of their craft, otherwise they just wont be any good. It goes beyond basic theory, and into orchestration, study of form, music history, ethnomusicology, study of composition, etc.
Also analysing other composers works is usually a large part of learning as a composer. If you dont look at the scores of the greats, you'll be trying to reinvent the wheel and usually fail, or even worse, invent a wheel that had already been invented 300 years ago.
>>61211274
Classical music is for people with refined taste. Popular music just doesn't cut it. too repetitive and not enough substance. Its written by plebs, for plebs. Which is why I dont listen to it. And yes "popular music" means all bands, producers, "artists" etc.
>>61212474
the pleb style has arrived...
>>61212474
>Schnittke - Concerto for piano and Strings
Shoo poly
>>61186657
debussy was always out of place
>>61212682
best piano concerto of the last 35 years.
prove me wrong without Rautavaara
>>61212988
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_liiGxY1dPw
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fAu8dNxORJ0
>>61213023
Wuorinen is pretty cool, and I've heard this one before but he fails in the tastefulness category. random notes at forte is not a great start. Kind of interesting, but lacks clarity or solid ideas a listener can work with.
as for carter, 1964 is more than 35 years ago.
>>61212988
I never even called it shit poly. I actually like Schnittke quite a lot but you're really predictable with your recs.
Also I rarely waste my time with composers after 1960
>>61213229
>I rarely waste my time with composers after 1960
Your loss
>>61213247
Perhaps if more composers in that time period wrote more pieces worth my listening time I would be more inclined to listen to them.
Also why not just put your trip on?
>>61213295
Because if he did that people wouldn't have to see his awful posts.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WebV3h4F264
Why is it that Eastern musical traditions developed with less written and published work than the Western counterpart?
>In spite of Tveitt's glorious successes internationally, the contemporary Norwegian establishment remained aloof. Following the upheaval of the Second World War, anything that resembled nationalism or purism was quickly disdained by the Establishment. Tveitt's aesthetic and music were fundamentally unfashionable. Tveitt struggled financially and became increasingly isolated. He spent more and more time at the family farm in Kvam, keeping his music to himself - all manuscripts neatly filed in wooden chests. The catastrophe could therefore hardly have been any worse when his house burned to the ground in 1970. Tveitt despaired - the original manuscripts to almost 300 opuses (including six piano concertos and two concertos for Hardanger fiddle and orchestra) were reduced to singed bricks of paper - deformed and inseparable. The Norwegian Music Information Centre agreed to archive the remains, but the reality was that 4/5 of Tveitt's production was gone - seemingly forever. Tveitt now found it very difficult to compose and gradually succumbed to alcoholism. Several commentators imagine that his many hardships contributed to these conditions. Tveitt died in Norheimsund, Hardanger, reduced and largely embittered, with little hope for the legacy of his professional work.
Jesus fucking Christ Geirr Tveitt got fucked over bad
>>61213722
Well there's really not much going on here compared to Bach or Mozart.
>>61213722
They lacked the printing press and the audience.
