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Metal general
Old thread: >>60674934
>check old thread
>DT in OP
>missed the thread
feels bad man. BSC is gay as shit and this comes from a melodeathfag
anyway give me your favorite melancholic sounding shit mu
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VZo5e_439uw
pasi is love pasi is life
wares the pastbin OP
>>60686056
Nah fuck you dude. This particular BSC album is one of the best melodeath albums of the past couple years. It's okay to like stuff that's got a girl singing and crossdressing VK guitarists and isn't totally brrroootle all the time. No one will judge you.
What is your least favorite black metal band?
>>60686094
it has like two riffs and guitar leads on the entire records. I dont diss it because its gay, I diss it because its terrible music and not melodeath
>>60686095
Not a fan of mayhem and darkthrone
>>60686112
>muh shredding
>muh riffs
I never saw it as about that. It's about the juxtaposition of trance with metal drumming and harsh vocals. That said, there may not be a lot of solos but there are guitars all over the album. And it totally is melodeath. Just not muh pure scandinavian pedal note riffs and maidenesque harmonies melodeath.
Did I miss something or is cryptopsy - benedictine convulsions literally about a half spider, half jesus figure devouring some people in a church?
also, while none so vile is great, enaciate, ATYB, Once was not is where they get really creative, none so vile were just your standard osdm riffs brutalled up, but after that they develop their style fully and write some really weird, fucked up riffs
>>60686309
That weird spidery-riff at 2:26 makes sense now
YOUR LIFE NO MORE WORTH TO ME
THAN A GALLON OF GASOLINE
>>60686265
>being a namefag
>liking melodeath
>having an opinion that matters
pick one and only one
>>60686309
Not only did I misspell emaciate, I completely forgot the actual album name is whisper supremacy, time to go to bed
What is some metal inspired by its national folklore and mythology
Recommend me some pseudo-deep metal, probably prog-something. I'm pretty ignorant on this kind of things, usually just listen to brutal and doomy stuff. Is Tool a good start?
>>60687492
The majority of death and black have deep lyrics, just avoid most osdm and war metal
>>60687547
Yeah, but I'm looking for that "look how complex we are!" vibe both in the lyirics and music structures.
>>60687584
Then really every tech-death and dissonant black metal band, supposedly deathspell is considered deep, but I'd avoid the band if I were you
>>60687584
I'll give you a medal if you can explain half of Fanisk's third album to me.
Mm.. metal
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lQPy21If6TY
>>60687756
get high and/or drunk stick a few hot dogs in your ass and stare at the cover while listening to it, if you still dont come across any understanding... you might be a bk randaddy doubt boy thad mawdad style black murdaddy doubter stile of wicked
>>60686204
Do you only listen to burzum or what?
>>60687936
Is that what NSBM is about?
>>60688131
That shit is crap too. They're all me too bands. That's the only reason they're popular. "You like black metal?" "Yeah, i like darkthrone, mayhem, and burzum" "me too" when nobody really does. They think they do, but they're too stupid to realize the only reason they actually put it on is so nobody can call them poseurs
>>60688481
I don't like any of those bands either, but don't be retarded about people liking what you don't like.
>>60688506
They don't really like it. That's the point. There are good black metal bands out there, those are not it. Just because they're "the first" doesn't mean they're good, essential, or any of that circle jerk faggot nonsense. Rocks and Sharpened sticks were the first man made weapons. You don't hear anyone "yeah tanks and bombs are cool, but they'll never be as cvlt as sharpened sticks, I'm og sharpened sticks for life. They'll always be better cuz they're first"
>>60688824
Immortal, dissection are still the best, it only went downhill from there, well inquisition is pretty good too
>>60688824
>nobody can possible like what I don't like
>>60688824
enjoy your shit taste to go with your shitty life lmao
>>60688968
Sure it's possible, faggot. Just not that shit. I'm certain no one anywhere likes that shit unironically. Not even you
>>60689035
> shit taste
> bases opinion on opinion of 3 bands
Your mom said i taste good
>>60689096
wahey did I hit a nerve
>>60689096
What is a joke: the post
>>60688481
Burzum's fine. Being a fan of varg helps I guess.
>>60689200
Yeah. I was just shitposting out of sheer boredom. Had a few on the line but i think I'll cut them loose. Their replies are equally boring.
>>60689440
>I was only pretending to be retarded
>>60689500
> i thought i was winning a real debate with someone of equal intelligence
what are y'all listenin too?
>>60689595
Sorry i don't have any pics of a naggy bitch and screaming children.
>>60689595
watchin the bengals thinkin bout them beans
>>60689440
So much of black metal especially is so esoteric that i'm sure we all have our icebreaker bands we don't care too much for to at least establish some common ground if we ever get over our social retardation and actually talk to someone about it.
>You like black metal? Me too man, my favorite bands are antisemitex and wolfnacht.
AGENT ORANGE
AGENT ORANGE
AGENT ORANGE
THE FIRE THAT DOESNT
BURN
>>60689595
Woke up at 2am and started transcribing this demo in a notebook for some reason. Might as well finish; it's only 17 songs in 12 minutes
What are some good black/doom/grindcore shirts for someone who doesn't want to look like an absolute edgelord?
>>60690006
>black/doom/grind shirts
>doesn't want to look like an absolute edgelord
Pick one
>>60690041
Okay, you win.
I pick black/doom/grind shirts.
>tfw confused this thread with nbbmn general
fug
>>60690094
You could always just get a T-shirt with the band logo. That's what I normally do
>tfw headphones fly off every time
1:24
3:05
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=g6WvLMdcz70
>>60690154
That sounds like a good idea, and it's what I was going to do anyway. I was just looking for some t-shirt with album art that doesn't look edgy as fuck. Best I've found for non-edgy is seemingly every Drudkh shirt ever.
>>60690269
If we're posting apparel, I've this Hexis shirt
>>60685810
Nice edges, RNG
>>60690366
nice diggity dubs
>>60689073
>being the authority one what people you've never meet and know nothing about.
Do you even understand how knowledge works, retard? Are you really this fucking myopic in your thought processes that you believe your world perspectives are the only possibilities?
>>60690420
On what people think whom you've*
Define the difference between a "Riff" and Atmosphere? Or more importantly, what are the major differences in musical perspective and approach between "riff-oriented" and "atmospheric-oriented" music?
>inb4 posturing of muh opinions and subjective taste as something absolute.
Please reply with something that is impartial to either sort of music, and legitimately thoughtful and substantial.
>>60690868
Atmoshit = music you listen to when your wife is being fucked infront of you by jamaal
riffs = testosterone enriching listening experience from which you emerge as one of the ubermensch
>when a band has an entire discography behind them with a completely different sound to what you know them for
>>60690975
Wow. Nice social role and identity discrimination's. Are you capable of anything more intelligent beyond a knuckle-dragging, drooling ape?
>>60691088
lol leftist in a metal thread
>>60690868
>riff
Actual musical phrase and melody
>atmosphere
Filler chords and tremolo picking
>>60691012
>pic related.
Well... more like Devin went in a totally different direction afterwards, but he was getting into stuff totally different from SYL near the end of SYL's lufe
>People thinking SYL should get back together
>Understand and knowing Devin, and the reasons why SYL happened in the first place
Pick one
>>60691129
>Your post
>>Poltical buzzwords, the arguement
>>>/Pol/
Wait no
>>>/Trash/
What's some good meal that has cassette releases? I'm looking primarily for stoner/doom stuff, as well as some meatheaded thrash and death metal.
>>60691277
>2015
>using cassettes
>>60690420
A bit late to be taking the b8. Especially when it was been exposed as bait. You're an extra special kind of butthurt black metal fan, eh?
>>60691144
>Filler chords and tremolo picking
This literally describes the vast majority of most Thrash and Tech Death metal. Which is the reason why I don't like a lot of the popular bands of those genres.
But besides that, what are "filler" chords? What's the difference between harmony composition qualifies as filler and its other counterparts?
I've also heard plenty of atmospheric melody with legitimately colorful melodic aspects. Pic related.
>>60691088
It's not my fault women are literally forced memes
>>60691416
>atmospheric melody
I mean atmospheric music
I should say, rather, that I've heard music that people have described as atmospheric.
>>60691416
Worst post I've seen all week, where did you get your ears
>>60690868
Riffs is a repetitious line or lines of music, put together to make a song. Riffs can create atmosphere. Atmo is akin to the shit right before someone dies in a horror movie. It lets you know spoopy is about to happen, but doesn't have any riffs. Metal needs riffs. Atmo needs the metal title so the weirdos that listen to only that don't feel like they're autistic.
> knew a guy, used to drive around with halloween sounds cds and shit in his car all the time.
> total autist
> tfw same shit as some burzum albums
>>60689632
kek
>>60691437
>It's not my fault women are literally forced memes
Lolwut?
>>60691416
You've obviously never listened to ANY thrash or tech death at all ever.
>>60691511
>Riffs is a repetitious line or lines of music, put together to make a song.
Valid point
>Riffs can create atmosphere.
Are you trying to tell me that shit like Suffocation is atmospheric?
>Atmo is akin to the shit right before someone dies in a horror movie.
Literally, what are you talking about?
Everything else about your post makes you sound like a completely ignorant faggot. All Metal denotes is really heavy guitar tones or drumming style.
So how do I find someone to practice music with?
>>60691691
just go to a show nearby and plug your shit in and start jammin with them fuck it whats will they do?
>>60691660
Suffocation have some pretty atmospheric parts, especially on their second album, your post is cancer btw
>>60691612
>Metallica, Coroner, Megadeath, Demolition Hammer, Dark Angel, etc.
>Cryptopsy, and the millions of spin of bands
It's not that I haven't heard anything, it's just that I can't interpret any engaging colors or emotions from endless strings of power-chords, despite how fast they are played.
>>60691466
I think the main conflicting opinion comes from the fact that there is nothing "metal" about the atmo shit. No crunchy riffs, no solos.. nothing even remotely close to anything ever considered metal since metal started in the 70s. A lot of it I'd compare to be more like some kind of classical music written for ambiance found in silent movies from the 20s. Not something evolved from riff oriented "rock" music from the 50s and so on
>>60691755
Alright, I'll check it out. You still don't sound like you know fuck all about what you are talking about.
>>60691660
>All Metal denotes is really heavy guitar tones or drumming style.
You're an idiot. You don't belong posting in a metal general when you don't even know what it is.
>>60691774
I define metal as music which utilizes distortion guitar, and from which I interpret a "Heavy", "Brutal", or exceedingly "Harsh" aesthetic.
I'm unable to really understand your point because you aren't giving examples of "Atmospheric" music. Can you give some distinctions please?
>>60691837
>You don't have a definition of a genre which makes my conceptions seem superior.
>Must be a retard
Literally, your post is shit.
>>60691761
Weird, I can't listen to atmoshit because it's completely emotionless to me, still I dont understand how someone wouldnt find riffs engaging, this is an enigma for me
>>60691800
I wasnt the og poster, but riffs always created a more convincing and immersive atmosphere than some guy tremolo picking really slow chord progressions with shit production
>>60691872
>Can you give some distinctions please?
The star wars soundtrack. Your little sister's "halloween sounds for parties" cd. That's about as close to atmospheric "metal" as anything else considered atmospheric "metal"
>>60691872
>don't understand a simple point
> post is shit
You're proving you're a retard. You're the kind of faggot that hears a guitar in a toy commercial and thinks "what an awesome metal song"
>>60691932
Everything about this post is great.
>I dont understand how someone wouldnt find riffs engaging
Their brains work to slow to comprehend the complexity. The need to be spoonfed how they should be feeling. Much like how you need to spoonfeed your explanations on why you just don't like how boring it is.
>>60691932
>I can't listen to atmoshit because it's completely emotionless to me,
Because you don't interpret emotion from chords and melody alone. You need them to have some sort of 'catchy' phrase.
Which is fine with me... I personally disagree: I'll just listen to a chord progression for the sack of it.
Recommend me something that sounds similar to pic related
>>60692203
>>60692021
>>don't understand a simple point
I did. Your point was "You don't agree with my definition of metal. My definition is superior, so you are a retard".
My point is, that is literally retard.
>faggot that hears a guitar in a toy commercial and thinks "what an awesome metal song"
I've literally never thought something like this in my life. Do you enjoy accusing people of being moronic while making idiotic and objectively false extrapolations of their character? How old you anyway?
>inb4 underage b&
>>60691872
This, faggot.>>60692261 enjoy the atmo "metal"
>>60692021
>>60692113
Nice same fag
>Their brains work to slow to comprehend the complexity.
>Playing wanky arpeggios of a few simple chord and shredding power-chords is complex
Literally, you are the definition of pretentious
Also, seriously speaking, Your argument assumes people like music that isn't "riff-oriented" don't like riffs. That is false. Nice hasty generalizations, idiot.
>>60692180
No, don't talk shit about me you don't know, I do those things just fine, but atmospheric metal goes that extra lenght to sound as bland as possible, when I'm hearing the same chord progression beaten to death since the 80s now played super slow, I don't feel anything, because the effect wears of after the first few hundred times
>>60692312
I'm sorry, were you trying to convey something with that post?
>>60692271
Old enough to be your mom
> inb4 at least 92
>>60692344
Okay, sorry for making a false extrapolation... You're definition from >>60691932 is literally black metal.
What is Doom Metal and bands like Ulcerate? Those don't fit your definition, but many people describe them as atmospheric...?
>>60692378
Try harder
>>60692327
>arpeggios of a few simple chord and shredding power-chords is complex
It is. More complex than playing one barre chord 80 times in a row with drums that sound like someone tapping a pen on a desk.
Also, you assume someone that likes riffs doesn't listen to any atmoshit. My argument lies in the fact that atmospheric music doesnt belong in a metal thread.
>>60692350
Yeah, it's the atmo metal you wanted to know about.
>>60692468
105?
> try harder
I really don't have to, buddy. You're making this too easy
>>60692493
Have you ever heard of Bach, Beethovan? Antonin Dvorak? Western Classical music?
How about the Raga's of Northern India? I bet you don't know anything about the art music of that culture besides "sand niggers charming snakes", like the ignorant little fuck you are.
Or heck, how about bands like Atheist, Crimson Massacre? Gigan, Fallujah, Anata?
If you literally think "arpeggios of a few simple chord and shredding power-chords is complex
", you have no fucking idea what complex means.
>>60692327
>shredding power chords
>>60692441
Doom metal I have no problem with, because most of the time it still has great riffs, and if not, then the chord progressions usually make up for it, from what I've listened to so far, doom metal usually tends to have the best chord progressions if the riffs are not there, now ulcerate I dislike a lot, mainly because again, the chord progressions are fone to death, and though the riffs aren't really supposed to be catchy, they're just not interesting in the slightest , some people say ad nauseam is heavily inspired by them, but I dont think so tb.h, they have loads of solid riffs and interesting moments and songwriting ideas, also with doom metal, I don't really get immersed that much with the chord progressions, they just sound cool most of the time
>>60692493
>Also, you assume someone that likes riffs doesn't listen to any atmoshit. My argument lies in the fact that atmospheric music doesnt belong in a metal thread.
No, you have given almost no sound or valid arguments this entire thread. It's just been "muh buzzwords", ad hominums, and vague, incorrect extrapolations on the character of people who like what you don't like.
In other words, the retarded anti-thesis of an argument.
>>60692682
>now ulcerate I dislike a lot, mainly because again, the chord progressions are done to death, and though the riffs aren't really supposed to be catchy
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nw7tFKyOfcE
The first melody of this song (past the atmospheric intro) literally fills me with a sense of dread and horror at the angular dissonance utilized. What on earth are you talking about? I've never heard a metal band that makes a melodies similar to this... Well, maybe Demilich, but that's a strech.
>>60692651
Who's calling who "pretentious"? Shut the fuck up, your earl grey is getting cold. Take a few sips, blast some of those sick Beethoven tunes and stare out the window into the cold gray sky, you edgy cunt you.
>>60692707
This >>60692651 is the post where you lost and i won. You're boring me now so have fun the rest of the day with the rustled up jimmies.
>>60692786
Very very similair to gorguts in this case especially from wisdom to hate era, also I could name more dissonant metal bands, but they probably came later than these guys, that first riff is cool yeah, but the rest of the song is an unmemorable blur
So, i heard the new sun 0))). It totally sucks ass. Sounds like when i put my guitar down to go take a piss and forget to turn the volume know down.
>>60692830
>Who's calling who "pretentious"?
I did, because you saying pretentious garbage
>Take a few sips, blast some of those sick Beethoven tunes and stare out the window into the cold gray sky, you edgy cunt you.
>you edgy cunt you.
You are so upset that aren't even making any sense. You might want some green tea, or chamomile.
>>60692898
Yes, you are the king retard. You failed at catching me in a lapse of my intellect at any point, and now you are bored.
>>>/b/
>tfw haven't had any real social interaction in 6 months
/meal/ for this feel?
>>60692937
>Very very similair to gorguts in this case especially from wisdom to hate era,
I wouldn't say they are extremely similar. But they do have a noteworthy comparison.
>but the rest of the song is an unmemorable blur
They aren't really doing singular riffs past that point. It's more like a "dense cloud of counter-point". Very complex stuff, which really engages me, but it's understandable if someone else wouldn't be interested.
>>60693189
Yeah, it's complex but it just seems like complete filler
>>60693275
>but it just seems like complete filler
That's completely subjective.
>>60693140
A.N.T.I. by Diapsiquir
>>60693296
Yeah I guess, I have no trouble enjoying counter point in metal, but it usually showcases interesting songwriting ideas, this just doesnt sound like there was any thought put into it, or maybe it goes solely just for atmosphere
>>60693111
> still crying while I'm laughing at you.
It was all me. Since the beginning. I even said "just shitposting out of boredom" i stopped, walked away, i fucking went and fucked. Really. I came back and you still decided to argue with me. No matter how fucking ridiculous i tried to sound, how hard i tried not to try, you still fought tooth and nail to convey some kind of point. As if you could not sleep if anon on 4chan did not "get it". Even still AFTER all that shit, and admittance of utter shitposting, telling you to your face i was doing this for laughs and just to anger you, you still feel the need to tell me some more shit to prove you were right. Hey, guess what.. i don't care. You're an idiot. You better watch your temper or santa won't get you the album of sick toy commercial riffs you want. (That's more bait, sorry i can't help myself).
> inb4 anything about this post
I had to shit, this passed the time. I'm really leaving now.
>>60693111
>You failed at catching me in a lapse of my intellect at any point
Literally the funniest shit ever. I saved it.
>>60693562
.....Because the whole time was a "lapse in your intellect"
What a dumbass.
So where do I go if I want more absolute top class guitar wankery like pic related?
Don't care what genre it is as long as it has that neo classical non stop guitar wanking to the highest level.
>>60693730
You into malmsteen? He's as wanky as it gets.
>>60693420
Ulcerate go for a more "counter-point chaos" sound. Too each their own, though.
The hell...
>>60693468
Who are you fooling. You failed to make anyone substantially angry and you're going to sit here, posturing like some attention whore as a losing tactic. Your posts are simple excuses for others to condescend you. You couldn't troll if your life depended on it.
>>60694080
>le meme-tastitc photoshit skills
Neat.
>>60694080
Epin meing, boy-o
>>60692203
blind idiot god
>>60693845
Yep I've checked him out, also tony macalpine and luca turilli right now.
It's hard to find more recent stuff, most newer guitar wankers just default into more prog oriented stuff which isn't what I'm looking for. I also want to stay away from instrumental stuff cause they tend to get boring.
>>60693730
Bodom's first album
What would a doom/power hybrid sound like?
>>60694769
reverend bizzare is exactly that
>>60694805
solitude aeturnus
>>60694840
lolno
lmao never change solaris
also i sincerely wonder if people itt listen to anything besides angel of salvation and written in waters, sometimes
>>60694966
Do you really need anything else?
>>60688131
Nope and >>60688481 isn't me
My favorite black metal bands are Peste Noire, Memespell omemega, Immortal and Ulver.
I like burzum though
I don't hate Darkthrone and Mayhem but i never really got into them.
>>60695069
I love both albums, but /metal/ is shit when it's just namedropping the same goddamn stuff ad nauseam. (including Ad Nauseam)
I can see why lots of people from /nbbmn/ don't want to return to these threads, they're not nearly as good as they used to be and I don't know what to do to improve them. Especially when we have pople who'll get in long arguments like earlier ITT... Soreption Guy is a dork, yeah, and his reasons for disliking Ulcerate and DSO are pulled out of his ass (he likely doesn't want to give them a chance because he associates them with the dreaded ~atmoshit~) but getting in an exchange of insults with him isn't very productive. I created these generals to expose people to underrated and obscure music and that's... not what they're doing anymore.
>>60694966
the katamari damacy ost
>>60695310
\m/
>>60694115
> acting like i never really lost my shit even tho all the posts are there for everyone to see
>tfw you want to live in the 70s
What's some Metal for this feel?
Are any Blood Stain Child albums before that one any good?
>>60695275
Not hard to scroll passed it without reading much of it. Some people can't help but take the bait, as blatantly obvious as it may be.
>>60695492
Any caverncore/OSDM revival, senpai.
>>60695275
to be fair against me the only reason I posted angels of salvation is because I'm really trying to explore that type of guitar wankering further and just posted angels because that album really does describe exactly what I'm looking for.
I get what you're talking about, but let's be real, what's going on in this thread isn't great but it's at least a couple hundred times better than the usual shitposting that's been going on this year. We've actually got some legit discussion going on here.
>>60695524
The one before is better than that one imo and everything before mozaiq is great material with sadly not so great production
>>60695492
Deep purple fo sure
>>60694115
Were you the one that got into the big pissing match? I guess YOU were trolled...
>>60695567
>Deep Purple
>Metal
>>60695645
faggot, go back to your containment board
>>>/nbbmn/
>>60695699
>confusing a general with a board
kek
>>60695739
>implying i care enough to actually link the thread
>>60695699
W-what? Are Black Metal fans the only people nowadays who are allowed to say that Hard Rock isn't Metal?
>>60695773
there's a higher percentage of them
anyone that can't acknowledge deep purple is just as metal as early black sabbath is a false and a poser and should leave the hall
>>60695837
Can't even get the line right, and you talk about posers.
>>60695874
i wasn't trying to quote the lyric exactly
been listening to Intronaut a lot when I'm stoned and need more music like it. what listen to?
>>60695893
Coincidentally Manowar was my gateway into metal, I grew up hearing deep purple on the classic rock station constantly and because of that I can't really think of it as metal at all.
rec some good biker metal
NEW VEKTOR SONG
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WNmHtWERWyw&feature=youtu.be
>Vektor on tour with Voivod
I really want to see what a Vektor concert looks like. Will there be moshing or just prog hipsters standing around awkwardly?
>>60696024
>prog hipsters
what the fuck are you talking about
voivod, prog hipsters? LITERALLY kill yourself, vektorfag
>>60692651
A lot of classical music (esp baroque and classical eras) is pretty simple. ABA forms are everywhere.
>>60695996
High on Fire
>>60695938
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q88koeaqrEg
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lUQTHdwK780
>not metal
>>60696093
he's clearly talking about the vektor crowd being prog hipsters, calm down.
>>60696024
>prog hipsters
That's an oxymoron
>>60696113
you realize that just one of those A's or B's has more melodic complexity than 99% of entire metal albums, right?
>>60693730
MinstreliX
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j16onETZ1gI
>>60696192
with bands like leprous, it's not an oxymoron anymore unfortunately
>>60695837
Black Sabbath is metal?
>>60696138
Not metal.
>>60695645
Well, in the 70s that's as metal as it got. U prefer me say black sabbath? That's low hangin fruit..
>>60696202
That's not true at all. Here's one of Mozart's more famous pieces and there's nothing complex about it. That doesn't mean it's bad of course, but it's incredibly simple.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tSL5-wxgvFY
>>60696235
Lel
>>60696271
yet i bet you think vbe is metal
>>60696329
>implying that is less complicated than the average thrash band chugging the bottom string or average black metal band playing strum a-strum a-strum power chords for 20 minutes straight
>>60696369
I didn't say that at all. But your average shitty techdeath band plays more complicated stuff by far.
>>60696329
Dude don't goad that faggot, it's too easy. He fancies himself an intellectual. Much too sophisticated for the thread he's trying to fit into.
>>60696229
What's Hipster about Leprous apart from the way they dress
>>60696397
still not true, the average shitty techdeath band still has basically no sense of harmony, just one wanky guitarline and blastblastblast
>>60696433
they sound like dredg or something
>>60696093
>>60696157
I didn't even mean that in an insulting way, I'm a lot closer to "prog hipster" than a true punk or thrasher. Sometimes I just like to stand back and analyze the music, if this makes me a poser faggot then I'm ok with that
this album art is hilariously bad
So I quess Blackened Djent is now officialy a thing...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sm1Wa_5jlgs
>>60696418
i don't actually
i like trad and thrash metal mostly
but you're a fucking idiot if you seriously think your personal favorite metal band more complicated than most 'ABA form' classical
>>60696466
but you're implying that progheads and hipsters have significant overlap (protip: they're practically opposites) and that voivod's biggest fanbase is just prog people
>>60696459
>they sound like dredg
Do you really think dredg or any other nu-prog band is popular among hipsters
>>60696487
blackened djent was a thing long time ago
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NmfzWpp0hMc
>>60696329
Hear those dynamics? You probably don't being a deaf rockist.
>>60696504
no, but leprous is the band that's bridging the gap
Reminder that prog and power metal are the most effective hipster repellents
>>60696459
You said melodic complexity not harmony. Different things. The melodies in an average shitty techdeath band is much more complicated.
Best metal song currently available:
https://youtu.be/XFRBHmz5IuQ
>>60696500
>implying implications
I literally never said anything about Voivod
Also, isn't everyone who uses /mu/ technically a hipster?
>>60696538
They are one of the few modern prog metal bands who don't play wank or chugcore so I'm ok with that, their last album was pretty great actually.
>>60696579
Vocaloid is better than Voivod.
>>60696526
that is Blacked Djent, senpai.
>>60696558
i'm talking complexity on the whole
you (or another anon) was talking about the complexity of form
>>60696579
so what were you implying then?
>>60696580
they can be chuggy, but worse than that they're twinkly bullshit
>>60696459
> never heard a tech death band in my life
> muh mozart in a metal thread
> inb4 hurr durr yeah cryptopsy i heard
That's almost not even tech death.
You have no idea what good tech death is. And it's obvious. And ya know what? I'm not giving you any examples cuz FUCK YOU. That's why. Also you probably wouldnt listen to it anyway, cuz you're scared of being wrong. Back to the classical/jazz thread with you.
>>60696487
Genre:
Symphonic Black Metal/Deathcore
Well that's quite a change
>>60696606
>twinkly bullshit
What does that even mean
>>60696607
>And ya know what? I'm not giving you any examples cuz FUCK YOU.
wew lad
>>60696640
riffless
>>60696459
U listen to new gorod? Try that.
>>60696606
The mozart piece has simple melodies and harmonies. You can say that it has more complex harmony than most metal which is true, but also a moot point since metal bands have much, much less defined pitch instruments to begin with. In terms of form, plenty of metal (and other genres in general) is more complex than short dances or other chamber music and likewise has more complex melodies.
Sure nobody is going to touching Ives or Debussy anytime soon, but there's plenty of simple classical as well.
>>60696481
Fixed
>>60696658
Their ruse of syncopation and drumming as more interestign than generic riff wankery
>>60696664
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZB3HNGFimp4
>chug sweep chug sweep
fine, it still might be more complicated than the most simplistic classical, but that's not really the point.
>>60696692
and you completely missed the point. the previous guy was talking strictly about "form", which is a ridiculous argument because anyone can ad hoc 50 different chromatic four-note tremolo-picked riffs together and call it "complex".
>>60696704
Will metal ever get to the point where it has more than two voices doing something worth calling "complex"?
>>60696487
ovid's withering already did that lol
>>60696743
I see now why anon didn't give you any examples because "fuck you that's why". Literally said you wouldn't give it a chance
> listen for 30 seconds
> heh uh yeah but eh no
>>60696786
Nope.
"Axle Rose, I will fight you" -vince neal
>>60696786
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EaTIPexiL2A
there's 3-voice counterpoint at the end here
also this band has dual guitars, a bass playing barely related lines, and weird-ass keyboard doodling over that. an interesting obscurity
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9bwL8ffr4K4
unexpect also have a few moments like that, some of chromatic chimera and psychic jugglers for example
>tfw Leprous are going to become Deafheaven of prog metal
I really don't want this to happen
Saw them live recently and they were really fun
>>60696786
if it does, it will probably be unlistenable atmoshit anyways
>>60696814
i listened to most of it, it wasn't anything special
![2945782[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/eUvbYsx.jpg "2945782[1].jpg")
>>60696898
i don't think leprous are accessible enough, nor are their covers spammable enough
this on the other hand... text against a solid background with a non-metal color?
>>60696592
Why not both?
http://www.nicovideo.jp/watch/sm18771490
https://instaud.io/private/bf07da9e38506ecbe8970be5edca85441822e881
>what is mixing
>>60696743
Jazzer pondering why I enjoy djent so much watching over this conversation. There's basically no melodic complexity in that. Rhythmic maybe, but there's only 3 voices in that and most of the time they're playing the same thing.
>>60696743
Form isn't a part of complexity?
>ad hoc 50 different chromatic four-note tremolo-picked riffs together
What the hell does that have to do with form? That would just be one really long phrase.
>>60697001
what do you mean by "form"?
>>60696950
As far as meme prog covers go Devin wins by far
>>60697016
Musical structure.
>>60696855
The thing is that I'm not thinking of metal that gets there for moments, but bands that constantly compose for 3+ voices. That obscure band might be it, but I never heard about them.
>>60696926
You're not anything special
>>60696950
Hipsters wouldn't touch Djent with a ten feet pole , unless it's more soft stuff like Skyharbor, TesseracT, Cloudkicker or Sithu Aye
>>60697038
unexpect have 2 guitarists, a keyboardist, a bassist, and a clean vocalist, but not all of those are acting as separate voices at the same time. ne obliviscaris do too, even their acoustic sections will have a bass, guitar and violin playing separate lines
Well this thread got weird
>>60697037
ok, so why doesn't what i said count as form? take something like one of the more complicated songs from deicide's legion (an album i happen to enjoy a lot btw). the structure isn't verse/chorus, it's not 'ABA', but it's complicated only on the merits of the individual riffs being structured in a less regular way. it's complicated in a metal sense, it's nothing compared to classical.
>>60697092
At least it's moving i suppose.
>>60697134
Classical is for elderly women and faggots that are too scared of atmoshit album covers or the satan gimmick.
>>60697134
You know why Beethoven was deaf? Even he didn't want to listen to that boring shit.
wank
I unironically enjoy early Dream Theater, Symphony X, Haken, Voyager, Threshold and Ayreon
>>60697134
I'm not familiar with that album so I'll just pick this particular song and look at its structure.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z37idiyphig
This isn't really complicated at all. There's an intro section that lasts for like 10 seconds. Then the next section goes until 2:05. And the last section goes out into the end. If you're really generous, you could call it through-composed, but it's probably too repetitive for that.
>>60693730
Angra, Cellador, some Symphony X releases
>>60697134
Legion's structures are pretty simple desu, they happen to be unusual.
Satan Spawn is like ABAB
Dead But Dreaming is ABABC
and so on and so on *sniffs*
>>60697311
fair enough, so what metal do you consider to have complicated form?
>>60697134
Mozart was all butthurt.. "i write incredibly complex music, arranged in gigantic full orchestra symphonies. Follow musical theory to the point. Yet i still suck balls because it's all un-engaging boring garbage."
>>60697338
Dream Theater
>>60697338
Unexpect is honestly a good example. Very subdivided sections.
>>60697359
No not really.
>>60697311
oh wait no, I fucked up, this guy is right >>60697335, Dead But Dreaming is a lot simpler than I put on my post.
>>60697311
Eat a bag of penis, you pretentious shitposter.
>>60696212
>>60693730
Damn this shit is good, reminds me to SOTN soundtrack. Is there anything like this in english?
>tfw can't understand nihongo
>>60697425
Probably but most of it is inferior desu.
>>60697453
Great musical analysis. I'm impressed.
>>60697405
penii* desu senpai
>>60697477
he had to give me literally the most lol-random metal band in existence in order to give an example of metal with complicated form
RISING JUST TO REMIND YOU
>>60697498
i think that carries the implication that he should eat a penis so large a whole bag is needed just to contain it
>>60697477
Lel.. what do you expect? You get either ultra-sophisticated classical shiller guy or unintelligible idiot shitposter guys. And they're both on the same page with their discussions. 2nd to last blank one in the back of the book.
>>60697558
Or a small bag. Like a condom with a penis inside.
>>60695837
>>60695773
>>60695699
In the name of all black metal fans i would say that anyone considering that deep purple or black sabbath are not metal deserve an history lesson if not a beating.
>>60697518
>very obvious chorus and verse riffs
like, even their most disordered, disjointed songs like Meet Me At The Carousel return to repeated themes. It's just that lots of the themes are rather long and show up in many different ways so it's hard to distinguish on a cursory listen
>>60697463
Well I can at least listen to Galneryus engrish,
>>60697614
who are you quoting?
By the way, I went through Metallum's entire RIP section awhile back looking for the most metal death.
Thorstein Aaby from Pagan's Mind won by a landslide. I remember there was one guy on the list who was killed by Breivik, but that's not particularly metal.
>>60697518
Despite your personal feelings, their stuff is pretty complex for metal. Ever go through any of their songs before? Lots of sections. Take feasting fools.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gRApOOetSco
A - 0:00 - 0:40
B - 0:40 - 1:10
C - 1:10 - 1:39
A - 1:39 - 2:20
B - 2:20 - 2:50
C - 2:50 - 3:17
D - 3:17 - 3:50
E - 3:50 - 4:40
F - 4:40 - 5:24
G - 5:24 - 5:40
A - 5:40 - 6:17
So that gives you the bizarre structure of ABCABCDEFGA. And honestly you could be a lot more generous if you really want and put more sections.
>>60697545
AND THEN IM FINDING THE WITHERING LIGHT IN MEEEEEE
SENSE WA-KING-UP AGAIN
>>60696898
please no
