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Hey /mu/. I couldn't find production general so I'm just gonna post.
To cop or not to cop? I own no hardware for production but I'm a musically inclined person and have had a lot of fun fooling around with FL Studio, is this a good opportunity to move to ableton and pick up my first midi controller?
>$75, free one day shipping
http://smile.amazon.com/Akai-Professional-APC-Key-Performance/dp/B00J3Z4Y8C/ref=sr_1_1?s=musical-instruments&ie=UTF8&qid=1448587300&sr=1-1&keywords=Akai+Professional+APC+Key+25+Ableton+Performance+Controller+with+Keyboard
>>60634350
I personally would suggest not to. I got something very similar to this before (also made by Akai) where it was 25 keys, and the keys were stiff and very hard to play.
I have a 25 key midi that sucks m audio oxygen 4th gen
save your money honestly and get atleast 49-61 keys that are weighted
why didn't you make a production general then
u need more keys senpai
>>60635234
Welcome to production general I guess.
>>60635248
Fuk senpai I'm broke
>>60634350
you don't really need to move on to Ableton , FL Studio is a grand DAW, but by all means buy yourself a controller and move to ableton.
>tfw $10 powerbar that can consolidate 6 wall warts to one outlet
black friday sales are cool, now i can have my whole hardware setup in one wall outlet
>>60635440
>wall warts
what country are you from
>Logic user
>grow to hate Macs and apple products
>want to switch to an alternative for music production
>can't into ableton because I use the piano roll to compose most of my tracks and the piano roll is not as good as the one in logic
Are there any alternatives? I don't even use a controller because learning to play piano or drum pads would only be a means to an end and a piano offers less flexibility than being able to quickly program whatever notes you want anyway.
Are there any alternatives for someone who produces this way? Is there anyone else on this board that does this?
>>60635440
>wall warts
holy kek
>>60635458
canada
>>60635578
what? that's always what i've seen them referred to as when people are talking about them
>>60635440
>wall warts
>>60635646
>having such an empty and meaningless life that you have to greentext people's words back at them to try to start fights on a tibetan free jazz forum
>>60635623
where the fuck do you live in canada? the only way i could possibly see this being a canadian phrase would be if they called them that shit in québécois french, it's that absurd sounding.
>>60635677
not trying to start a fight, the people doing that to this guy are just honestly baffled at the phrase
>>60635677
nice dubs but please fuck off.
>>60635721
>I CAN SHITPOST HOWEVER I WANT YOU CANT TELL ME WHAT TO DO *MOM*
>>60635682
>>60635701
you've really never heard it anywhere before? i've encountered it in a bunch of different gear discussions
>>60635736
You sound like such a cool fellow
the angry argument guy is from canada? Makes sense I suppose.
>>60635736
I really haven't, and judging from the other anons with similar reactions I would guess they haven't either
>>60635757
guess they must need to vent their frustration that's normally hidden by their canadian politeness tbqh
>>60635554
what do you mean a piano offers less flexibility? you record, play your midi notes and then you get the flexibility of moving around the notes you recorded, or fixing the notes you fucked up. I don't really understand what you're getting at
also, are you just disliking the OS or are you hating the actual company
>>60635757
>>60635795
>calling people who arent mad mad in an attempt to make them mad
well this is getting dumber by the minute
if you're going to get a keyboard, get full sized keys and get more than 25. exceptions: you are looking to supplement modular gear (cause some great CV capable devices are only 25 keys) or if you are a travelling producer. DNC the OP pic. get a dedicated session controller (even the APC mini, ffs). the MPK type keys suck.
>>60635269
it's worth the investment long run. if you begin picking up steam with production you will need better stuff.
>>60635458
>>60635578
>>60635646
that's a common saying dudes... USA too..
do you guys no socialize?
>>60635830
>do you guys no socialize?
You're on 4chan, infer from that.
>>60635780
>>60635682
>>60635701
I live in NC.
Everyone call them either wall warts or power bricks here. But power bricks are usually the in-line type.
>>60635797
It offers more flexibility because I don't have to worry about the constraints of my hands. I can program anything in regardless of whether or not I can play it, and I can easily hand pick each note of a chord or arpeggio linearly and program the velocity to be exactly how I want it to be. It's much faster this way and doesn't require using a controller as a middleman.
I hate Apple as in I hate buying their overpriced shitty hardware when Windows does absolutely everything I need it to do outside of the proprietary software. I could buy Windows laptop for half the price and get the exact same performance.
>>60635554
as an FL Studio user, I have to recommend FL Studio , the piano roll is extremely versatile, featured and easy to use. although if you don't like FL Studio for whatever reason, there's this, http://www.image-line.com/documents/news.php?entry_id=1391136116
a vst/au host, with fl studios piano roll to sequence stuff, in case you want to use just fl studios piano roll to write down ideas with .
>>60635861
>xD lel kek 4chan users are nerds
>>60636134
hey man ur acting like that's a bad thing when it's not.
'nerdiness' is trendy. if you need proof just look at the big bang theory
can someone help me out
im trying to recreate the synth XXYYXX uses in this remix
https://soundcloud.com/xxyyxx/p-reign-feat-drake-future-dnf-xxyyxx-remix
It sounds like a filtered electric organ but im not sure
It comes in at around 1.10
>>60636111
To be honest I've always felt like there was a stigma towards FL Studio that it was in some way worse or less legitimate than other DAW's, but now that you mention it, it actually seems pretty much perfect for MIDI sequencing and songwriting for users who don't use controllers. I'll definitely be giving it a shot now that I've given it some consideration. The piano roll looks great. Thanks.
>>60636194
>trendy
>The Big Bang Theory
>>60636721
>I've always felt like there was a stigma towards FL Studio that it was in some way worse or less legitimate than other DAW's
There is, and it's completely unfounded.
how am i supposed to set up an audio mixer with multiple instruments if they all have a separate l/r 1/4" jack and the rest of the inputs only have a mic and 1 1/4" jack input? do i just get a cable that has 2 1/4" jack on one end and 1 1/4" jack on the other? also pic related is the mixer
thanks
>>60637676
>do i just get a cable that has 2 1/4" jack on one end and 1 1/4" jack on the other?
yes
Can anyone help me?
I need a piano cover of Everybody's gotta learn sometime by The Korgis/Beck cover.
Can anyone help out with an mp3 of it? I'd appreciate it a lot.
>>60634350
I'd go a 49 key. I bought a Nektar LX49 for my desk a few days ago and I can't imagine having any less. I usually use a weighted 88-key, but it's anything but convenient.
>move to ableton
Anything you specifically don't like about FL Studio? I always found it a pretty good DAW. I personally prefer it to Ableton.
>>60635554
FL Studio is my go-to for MIDI sequencing. For recording instruments I use REAPER.
>>60636111
>>60636721
>>60637611
Gotta ask, what is with the stigma towards FL? I've used it off and on for about six or seven years now and it's always been great?
>>60638814
Probably the reputation it's made for itself as being the DAW every beginner trap beat producer uses, people seem to think they 'graduate' if they move from FL to another DAW (most of the time Ableton) , it's reputation isn't a big deal imo, especially since most people who are elitists about DAWs usually don't know what they're talking about.
>>60638963
I'll admit, I spent a couple years trying Ableton on and off because of the Fruity Loops stigma, but for sequencing and MIDI I tend to end up back at FL. It doesn't feel as powerful--which could almost certainly be attributed to not having heaps of time in it, but it definitely fits my work flow better.
I might pick up Ableton again at some stage. It seems like it could be better for jamming at home, but I can't see it ever being my go-to.
I have way more time in REAPER, but who cares what you're using? If you're music is good it's good.
>>60636721
Nah nah man it's not a lesser DAW or anything. FL is pretty good if you're actually good, maybe know some music theory and don't make your shit all off beat. The name Fruity Loops that's associated with it, makes some look at it as childish. And dime a dozen no talent ass niggas always use FL, but that's a given due to it being a more popular DAW.
>>60639277
Not him, but I like that it's fairly simple to use. I posted in a thread yesterday that I was using it to get back into writing music since my brain hemorrhage. I don't think my head could take Ableton at the moment.
https://clyp.it/og3btvbh
>>60639310
I had some experience with FL for a bit college, but I remember my hard drive failed. which made me give Ableton 9 a try. Haven't looked back at FL since SENPAI I don't think FL should be looked down on though it's still pretty legit.
>>60639323
I want to try Ableton again at some point. I like the flow of FL a lot, but Ableton seems like it could be better for jamming in my room for fun.
I can't really play guitar at the moment (left hand doesn't work properly still), so I bought a cheap MIDI controller the other day (Nektar LX49) so I could try to write music again.
>>60639310
>https://clyp.it/og3btvbh
Also just bumped the clip, I fuck with it.
>>60639338
>Also just bumped the clip, I fuck with it.
Sorry, what?
>>60639378
My bad dude, pretty damn high. I meant I like your song. Also that's dope you grabbed up the Nektar LX49, I don't have one of those but that shit seems pretty nice. Don't let that masturbation accident slow down your creative juices bruh.
>>60639429
>My bad dude, pretty damn high. I meant I like your song
Oh, thanks dude. It's my first bit of music in ages, so that means a lot.
>grabbed up the Nektar LX49, I don't have one of those but that shit seems pretty nice.
It's really great for how cheap it was. FL11 doesn't have full support, but 12 does. I'm upgrading tomorrow.
I have 88-key digital piano I usually use, but I love having all the controls and being able to leave it on my desk. Really glad I got the 49 over the 61 for that exact reason.
>Don't let that masturbation accident slow down your creative juices bruh.
I laughed. I got hit by a car and had two brain hemorrhages. Took four or five weeks to start talking again. Just getting back into writing music.
Been teaching myself to play guitar again, but I'm having a lot of trouble with my left hand still. Did these just under a week ago though. Was weird recording direct.
Don't let that masturbation accident slow down your creative juices bruh.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wWPS1SSNYRk
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r9V4olW0uuQ
>>60634431
Just bang on them until they soften.
>>60635554
What the hell is wrong with Logic, I moved over from Cubase to logic when I bought a Mac years ago and Logic is a great DAW.
Just keep using Logic as you already obviously have a Mac and are familiar with Logic. Spend some time maybe learning how logic works a bit more in depth instead of spending more time learning a new DAW. Most DAWs do the same things anyway and Logic has some great stock plugins (alchemy) and the effects sound really good. The tape delay is still regarded as one of the best tape delays on the market.
Only thing I'm hoping is that they update some of the older instruments and effects at some point as they are old as fuck. Would be nice if they even just re skin them so they all look like they are from the same DAW, but I can live without that really.
>>60638963
>>60639277
>tfw I used to be that dime a dozen no talent trap beat producer ass nigga
I don't care, I still get hype to my old beats, like this more than a year old beat I found today taking up space on my harddrive
https://clyp.it/ywznesk4
>>60639668
Not him, but I don't think he was making fun of it at all. Just saying that's where the stigma comes from.
>finding old beats
Love when that happens. I found the first thing I ever made in FL six or seven years ago a couple days ago.
https://clyp.it/5w2i2atp
Also that clip is awesome. What'd you do to get that much low end? I'm still an amateur to electronic music, but that sounds incredible.
FL studio has some really nice in house affects, some I even use in ableton, but I just can't work in the daw it self. The workflow just never made sense to me
>>60639744
Each to their own. I like coming up with a lead or bass, or just a beat, and layering it up with the sequencer.
Moment I start recording guitars and what not though, FL never gels with me.
>>60639697
Your clyp is alright actually, except for that choppy lead
and thanks for your compliment, unfortunately that's a pretty old project, I only found the WAV, but I'm pretty sure I used 808 kicks, made a sequence with the kicks, and copied the sequence of the kicks to the sub synth, which is basically just a sine with quick attack and 100 percent sustain on the amp envelope
no one in canada calls them wall warts lmao stop this
Never read such threads. But now I'm really interested.
If I want to try make/cover some music similar to BoC what should I buy first?
USB keyboard like this one - http://www.amazon.com/Nektar-LX49-controller-pre-mapped-integration/dp/B00GA99CCW ?
>>60640920
>Nektar LX49
I bought one two days ago, I really really like it. If you want to keep it on your desk permanently go for it. If you have the space get the 61 though.
I have an 88-key as well, so the 49 was purely to sit on my desk.
Also make sure you DAW has support for it. The drivers are a little weird, but work perfectly if it's supported.
Pic Related here >>60639475
>tfw nobody answers to your clyp
https://clyp.it/4pyvb5o0
I've played instruments before (trumpet, drumset, piano) and want to get into electronic I've been looking at the roland JD-Xi seems like a great deal having a sequencer, analog/digital synth for only $500
Also plan to make downtempo music if that has any decision on which instrument is best
>>60641112
Yeah, I've got the LX69, looks so good. I love it.
Are the JB systems AM-50 monitors any good for a bedroom producer?
Right now I can get them with a 40% discount.
>>60641868
The mix sounds pretty flat, other than that I like it.
Here's me: https://clyp.it/bvr3kgfm
>>60634350
more keys
full sized keys
better controls
get a Nektar Impact keyboard with 49 or 61 keys
>>60640238
it's 2015, slang terms aren't just regional anymore
>>60642070
Anything with a flat frequency response rate will do nicely (except for KRK Rokits, no one likes those)
>>60643494
The pad which begin at 18 ends up being obnoxious, either change its texture or which note it plays
Your percussion is really odd but i like it
The noise sweeps are a bit too loud imo
I think that the "stellar" bits could be louder - really nice by the way
Anybody else having problems that your trap drum loops sound too "cheesy" or "generic"? I also don't want them to sound chaotic. They have to sound right to the listener, yet still not boring.
They also have to sound "clear" so they make sense rhythmic-wise.
>>60644006
thanks senpai all good input
What to do with this?
https://clyp.it/q43sqkg4
Akai Professional MPK Mini Mk2
thoughts? College student looking for an entry level midi keyboard for dorm room recording
>>60644118
That's because trap is cheesy, generic garbage.
Cheesy power metal disguised as chiptune yeaaaaah
https://clyp.it/fhahb4ev
>>60644168
Firstly change that synth patch
Hi, Linux Bitwig anon here.
Just trying out Bazille: https://clyp.it/5bapwnv2
>>60639697
That's not half bad, mate.
>>60636111
This. FL's piano roll is a breeze to use. It's like devs of other daws can't into mouse handling and they always end up coding clunky behaviour.
>>60644299
Oh hey it's the fucking BOSS LEVEL NIGGA.
Not fan of some of the harmonies the power chords create with the rest, they end up dissonant sounding in a few spots.
>>60637676
no... 3/4 5/6 7/8 and 9/10 are stereo pairs. plug output one into L and output two into R with two separate cables on those channels. channels one and two are mono and don't support stereo unless you use them both and hard pan them.
>>60644278
I have one, it's extra knobs can come in handy during midi mapping, but the pads are stiff as fuck and I wish it had more keys. I'm nitpicking though it's a solid little thing that's capable of a lot for entry level.
>>60635682
Not him, but I'm from Toronto and they're called that pretty commonly over here
Hey guys. Waves are giving away the True Verb plugin on their website today, go grab it as its a great reverb for the usual price and is obviously even better if its free.
Anyone found any other free plugins today in the Black Friday sales that are not usually free pls post them here.
I just bought this because it was the last one in stock, and I have a hard on for the 80's.
Was it worth it?
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00IXQQQ0G?refRID=S70YTXWRWWM3C5VHHEFW&ref_=pd_rhf_sc_p_img_1
Anyone have experience with Redux?
I was thinking of using it as my main sampler and using it to sequence drum breaks but if it can't match the utility of just having modplug open as a separate program then it's obviously not worth it.
>>60645567
snagged
Just a heads up to anyone who's looking for monitors, Front End Audio is selling a pair of Yamaha HS8's + two cables (choosable) + some isolation pads for $600, compared to $700 retail for the speakers alone. I picked up a pair because a couple people rec'd them to me a few weeks ago and said "You should wait until Black Friday"
>>60644168
just change fucking everything
>>60645722
yes
>>60646068
I'm surprised N.I aren't doing anything, I remember them giving away Replika a few years back which is a really nice delay, maybe that was at Xmas though. I ended up buying a lot of their stuff just from that free plugin as I really liked the quality of their effects plugins. I now own Maschine Studio and Komplete Ultimate thanks to that giveaway!! Worth every penny I think, same with the Waves stuff, some of their modelled plugins are fantastic.
>>60646202
Thinking about picking up the Maschine Studio, what do you use it for mainly? I need a hardware sampler/sequencer and midi controller.
>>60636357
bump
>>60646241
I pretty much use it for everything now. I stopped using my DAWs a while back to concern trade on learning how to use Maschine inside out and now I find it so cosy that apart from a few pieces of hardware it's pretty much all I use!
I wish I could work out how to delete all the samples I don't use and synth presets though as I'm not really a big fan of using presets and samples and it kind of bugs me that I have so much of my computer filled with all that, plus when you turn it on you literally have thousands of sounds.
>>60646355
*concentrate
>>60646355
i totatlly understand what you mean about all the samples and presets bogging you down
I personally would not remove them though because it might cause errors elsewhere
>>60646480
>>60646355
Talking out of my ass a bit here, but are you able to back up the stock samples/presets on your computer then delete them from the maschine? Or would shit be too fucked?
>>60646548
i don't know for real I just am assuming it would fuck shit up because i have had problems with this in my daw from removing stock shit
>>60646480
Yeah that's why I haven't I'm a bit scared to really in case it fuckes everything up, but on the other hand my OCD goes apeshit every time I open the menu system and see 10,000 drum samples. I like to work with a small, select amount of samples, that I usually make myself and I tend to keep my hard drive pretty tidy by cleaning out and trashing all my old samples. I'm not fond of having a huge go to sample library. I guess I'm a bit old school in the way I work as I usually sample something, do some sound design, write a few tracks with those samples and then trash the samples or just move the project folder and samples to another hard drive
>>60646548
I'm not sure how it works really, but Maschine browser system sort of works by tagging all the sounds into categories like drums, analogue, digital, sampled etc, then snares, kicks, hats etc. some are synth based, some are samples, but I guess some might share source sounds/samples and then be tweaked in battery or kontakt? Fuck knows!?
Think I might copy everything to an external drive and just go in and start deleting everything, then go to the external drive and use the samples from there. Still a bit unclear as to whether any of the synths and samplers might fuck up though.
>>60646202
NI does Christmas giveaways.
Replika last year, Supercharger the year before, and Driver 2 years ago.
>>60646734
Ah cool, I thought after I typed that that it might have been Xmas. They have got some deals on at the moment too, most of their sample packs are half price right now
Ableton Live 25% off lads
inb4
>hurr buying DAWs lol!
Fuck you
>>60635578
>>60635646
U.K here, confirming we refer to those ugly suckers as wall warts too
>>60646784
Who are you talking to?
any ideas on how to get this "alien" vocal effect arca uses?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dDlDzP2jI-g&ab_channel=WunderClock
is it just two pitched vocal tracks playing at the same time?
>>60646824
i said inb4
>>60645567
Nice. I've snagged RBass a few years back too, though don't really use for anything.
>>60646784
Shame IL is not doing anything. I've been eyeing Directwave and Sakura for a while now, but suckers are pretty pricey.
12.2 beta though:
>FLAC Export
Fucking finally.
hello prod
I'm just working on arranging so far but I'm wondering if this intro going into the verse transition is jarring (in a good way). i'm kind of confused how I feel about it
https://clyp.it/ll35hfop
>shugazi
>dream pop
>>60646784
anyone who is serious buys eventually i own live 9 suite and Cubase 8 pro and no regrets
when i can im gonna buy halion 5 but that will be a while
>>60646981
Yep, I agree. I own all the software installed on my computer. Logic, AudioMulch, Maschine 2, Quattro DSP, AudioFinder, and my select few plugins. It's a strange thing, but saving up and buying a bit of software for me is pretty exciting, something that never happened when I pirated software.
>>60647172
i used to pirate but i ended up with so much shit it all lost value to me so i got rid of it all and started over but legit
imo you really get better when you have less things at your expense and they actually have value to you then too
>>60635882
I live in NC too dude, I have NEVER heard that phrase in my fucking life.
>>60647380
Yep that's exactly what I did. I bought a new computer and decided to only use software that I bought. I bought Komplete ultimate mostly for the effects plugins as they provide a really good base for studio effects, and I have a few Waves plugins, and a couple of other plugins from other company's too. It's funny as I don't miss any of the other plugins I used to have. It really works having less for me, the software starts to feel like a bit of hardware after a while, like an old familiar synth that you've used so much. You know every little detail.
What is a good free music production program that isnt aids?
>>60648887
I didn't like any of the free ones I tried like lmms or ardour
reaper isn't free but its cheap as fuck and I hear people talk good about it
>>60648887
Sunvox
Buzz
Rubberduck
Tuareg 2.5 :^)
>>60645567
soundtoys little alterboy is free rite now
>>60649102
>iLok.com
God damn it.
>>60649154
its not that bad really unless you have an old os that it doesn't support
I haven't had problems with ilok software protection nothing I have uses ilok dongle though
>>60649199
Don't they limit activations? I remember I snagged some free plugin from eventide or some shit a while back and it said 3 activations max.
>>60649245
that limit is actually the number of machines you have activated at once and you can deactivate and transfer between machines I believe
>>60649343
Huh, thought it was some EA-tier bullshit and had to go through the hoops to request new activations. Doesn't sound that bad then.
>>60649397
yea its the same way with waves plugins too with waves central
if you are gonna use a different machine with your waves plugins you have to transfer them to waves cloud before you do to redownload them and use them without problems
>>60649495
Doesn't change the fact that the whole concept of Licence Managers running as device drivers in kernel space is fucking ridiculous, but it is what it is.
I'm going to have to start buying hardware synths and fx, I don't trust these fuckers running on my pc.
>>60646979
Great
Guitar sounds too wet/clean for me
The transition is a bit odd but i can't tell exactly why
Maybe add or remove a time
>>60649567
yea its getting hard to escape it and they make it such a pain in the ass for users who aren't online on their daw pc to activate
>>60649716
We all know what happened with Tone2, was it, right?
>>60649102
Sweet. I missed that last time they offered it for free.
>>60649765
you mean the one that scanned your system delted other plugins it said weren't legit
I never experienced that personally but I wonder how many people got effected by it who didn't even crack
>>60649693
thanks a lot, i'll work on it
>>60649906
That's right.
Shame, because Gladiator was fucking awesome, but I refuse to pay for cuntware, and the cracked versions were timebombed and stopped working after a while.
>>60649716
>I don't trust these fuckers running on my pc.
What is it you don't trust about them? I understand they are a bit of a hassle having another programme to install, but once it's up and running it's pretty hassle free. Do you think it's something more sinister or what?
I guess this is the production general now?
What's the best synth to use to make pads like this?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pz3rYMAXP40
>>60648887
Modplug
>>60649998
you quoted the wrong guy
but there was this freeware called tone2 firebird and it was basically a virus when it installed and made changes to your plugins it thought was cracked and host file
its a legit concern
>>60649998
I'm paranoid about keeping my illegal underground zoophilia creation ring private, and installing software that has the possibility to potentially see what I do kind of puts a damper on that.
In other words, I'm a freefag. And also am pretty picky about what stuff I want to have installed on my pc. I know it's a moot point in this day age, but still, having some pretense of freedom is appreciated.
>>60650138
>legit concern
One that's not taken seriously enough too. DAWs and plugins are getting way more mainstream than before, and popularity is a fucking magnet for gathering shit about users.
>inb4 /g/
>>60650192
yea and making vst plugins is becoming more popular
all it would take is one butthurt dev to make the installer search for competitor plugins and delete them or whatever he wants
>>60650138
Ah that's pretty shitty, although I can't imagine, any of the bigger company's doing that kinda thing as most of the ones mentioned and my original post was more about companies giving away a plugin that normally costs cash and has been on the market before. True verb has got to be over 10 years old now.
I know what your saying about your freedoms but personally I've given up on that idea, if anyone wants to spend their time looking through my shit then they are welcome, but in all seriousness is there even any suspicion about that with things like Waves installer, native instruments service centre and ilok?
>>60650399
tfw trueverb came out in 1997
>>60650468
>>60650468
I remember using an Atari ste for making music (midi control) and then upgrading to buying my first laptop and getting a crack for the big Waves plugin suite that shit blew my mind back then. Must of been around 99'
>>60650399
out of those 3 companies native instruments is the most annoying because of all the drivers service center installs even if you don't have the hardware
I personally use all 3 of those on my computer and no problems ive noticed other than it is annoyng
>>60649343
>you can deactivate
It would seem not. I reformatted without deactivating. It's fucking ridiculous I can't deactivate shit "remotely". iLok support is absolute garbage, and it seems like I have to go to the plugin devs with this.
>>60650581
>native instruments is the most annoying
The way Service Center installs shit is:
>install a virtual CD driver on your pc
>download an ISO from NI servers
>mount it on the virtual drive
>run an exe off of it
They can have all of my what, because they won't get my money.
>>60650581
Yeah N.I seem to have given up on listening to what their customers want and just doing whatever is easiest for them I think, but I own Komplete and Maschine so I just put up with it.
>>60650613
yea they will probably just tell you buy ilok zero downtime
hopefully the plugin dev wont charge you to replace the liscense I know some of them do like a percentage of the plugins price
>>60650848
Well they can charge me 200% of what I paid because I got the plug for free.
>>60650917
>complaining about licensing software
>pirating said software
If people just bought the software they wanted instead of pirating it we wouldn't have to deal with all this shit.
>>60651010
he probably meant he got it free as a promotional limited time like waves and soundtoys are doing right now
>>60651010
Hey now, don't jump to conclusions. I got it in a giveaway. Eventide UltraChannel was free for a while last year, look it up if you want proof.
anyone of you guys have some experience with novation stuff? Heard about the circuit recently and it looks interesting, any opinions?
I use ableton but i like physical stuff more than twisting around in my laptop
>>60651063
>>60651085
Sorry my bad.
>>60651257
I have novation launch control and I think the knobs are pretty good quality for being 99$
I don't have enough room is why I only got the small one
>>60650138
>there was this freeware called tone2 firebird
hmm, I have that plugin, and have never experienced this, once i opened a project that contained the firebird vst in it , and the vst was glitchy and wasn't working, but that was it.
https://clyp.it/1q2wjjed
What do you guys think?
Holy shit thank fucking god for autosave. If you don't have that enabled, do it RIGHT FUCKING NOW.
>>60652474
Autosave? This isn't one of your vidya games senpai.
[spoiler] Shit you're right though. [/spoiler]
>>60652205
it didn't happen to me because ii never used tone 2 but hordes of people were crying about it happening to them shortly after it released as free
https://clyp.it/decmcgi4
i don't have any friends or anyone to help me and tell me what sounds good
i made this today, is it good?
idk what to ask about it, can i have some criticism?
i really appreciate anything, i'm fairly new to this musical production stuff
>>60652657
I probably got the plugin in late 2013/early 2014, so maybe I was lucky and I missed the malicious version.
>>60644486
thank you!
>>60652942
desu I was just reading about it and it only effected people who pirated other tone 2 synths apparently
I still think it was wrong though
>Remember to check people's clyp.it's to keep the thread healthy!
>>60653465
yeah T.T
any gud black friday sales?
looking for studio monitors
the stuff I've seen so far is meh
>>60653674
I saw jbl lsr 305s for 99 each with free shipping
I would look for 8s unless your room is small though
How are the plugin effects that come with Reaper?
>>60653465
>mfw i wrote this phrase in the OP text
feel good
Weird question. I've got a piece of outboard gear that uses a pair of TigerSHARC DSP processors. Is it possible to utilize the DSP power outside of what that unit does? As in, get plugins in my DAW to be processed by that unit instead of the CPU.
My PC is almost seven years old, so looking for ways to take load off the CPU haha.
So how's your night, /prod/?
Me, I'm chillin with the new plugs I got.
Also greetings from 2001.
https://clyp.it/ae33mwvc
Not sure what to do with it though.
>>60654075
No, unless you've got plugins written specifically to utilize them.
>>60644278
broke, sent it away then it broke again
do not recommend
>>60654408
the best thing to do is just to save and get a digital piano with midi capability if you just want to play
the knobs on cheap midi controllers also suck for fine tuning of parameters you need to get a top end one for good faders and knobs and even then it might not be good as you expect
Mysetup is just an 808 and a 303 bass line synth, is my setup too small for just acid
>>60654506
Probably not.
>>60654256
>https://clyp.it/ae33mwvc
I laughed. Hard. Makes me feel like I'm listening to Astral Projection ten years ago again. Love it.
>No, unless you've got plugins written specifically to utilize them.
That's a shame. I assume there's stuff out there that can use them being DSP processors. I run a lot of outboard compressed on them at the moment, but I do it a clunky way. Essentially reamp through it...
>>60654506
>808 and a 303 bass line synth
Shit load of money for those two nowadays.
hello, looking to purchase FL studio after playing with the demo. Which edition should I purchase, assuming I have the money for it. Which is best value.
>>60656933
FL Studio comes with loads of great synths that don't come with the producer edition, but if you're not interested in those , or you want to use freeware/pirated synths, the producer edition is basically all you need, the signature edition is basically the producer edition but with a few of the synths and effects that the producer edition didn't come with, I use a pirated copy, so maybe I'm not the best person to give advice, so look this over if you haven't already
http://www.image-line.com/flstudio-feature-comparison/
is any of this decent?
https://clyp.it/wolo1wkk
im pretty new to production
Need to finish a rough mix/master on this by tomorrow
What are the main things I can improve?
https://clyp.it/xvredpt4
>>60657091
the pirated version comes with a lot of synths
the legit signature has sytrus and a few other which sytrus is a better fm/hybrid synth imo is than ableton operator which I have
>>60654256
>https://clyp.it/ae33mwvc
7/10 mix it better
this is my style of music too
>>60658566
The pirated version also has sytrus.
>decide to try producing/beatmaking again after a several month hiatus
>have forgotten everything including the basics when it comes to Ableton
>keyboard has no MIDI capabilities
Should I resort to GarageBand/Audacity or is it absolute trash
>>60660349
Tried REAPER or FL?
>>60646979
I love this mate but the drums, especially the snares have to be WAAAAAAAAY louder IMO
>>60660349
You can literally make beats in any DAW, you can even make beats on your phone, DM1, iMaschine2...
>>60634350
Hey /prod/, need to get a laptop for Uni, was wondering what people thought is good for production?? I am an Ableton user.
Should I just be a memer and get a Macbook??
Here's a shitty mix of a riff I am working on at the moment
https://clyp.it/jm5gtv52
>>60660153
>>60658566
I have Producer and have Sytrus. It was added in 12.
>>60658601
Any tips and specific things that stand out as shitty?
The kick is too clicky, I think, gotta eq that sucker into submission.
>>60656500
It's not Powercore or that other standard, I don't really know of other vendors creating plugins running on a separate card. Also, what board is it? It would have to be controlled by your computer and have some shared memory bus, otherwise there would be no synchronous communication.
>>60646979
It's jarring but not in a good way - sounds like the second part starts playing before the first ends and for the moment everything sounds louder.
Bass not clear enough, but don't go overboard the other way, I like the washed-out quality of it all. Maybe add a little more punch to the drums with transient shapers.
Sounds like the start to a very pleasant track.
>all these plugins that are free today require accounts, activation programs and other shit
I'm considering going the free VST only road. In fact, Renoise's built in effects aren't that bad.
>>60661155
That's a perfectly good option. I'm thinking of filling a rack with hardware effects.
>>60661338
>I'm thinking of filling a rack with hardware effects
Currently have 8u of rack stuff piled on my desk. whatever you do get a rack before you need it not when you need it
>>60661155
Well, they gotta bait users into spending money somehow, right?
>>60661338
>>60661367
I own an 11U right now. Don't have 11U of effects haha.
>>60657965
sounds a bit empty to me.
maybe you should add some subtle warm synth to fill up everything.
>>60634350
am I right in thinking that ableton is the best daw for easy workflow if you include plugins for good instruments like massiv or kontakt?
I have logic and ableton and now I'm growing to like ableton more but the stock instruments in ableton aren't nearly as good as in logic.
is this true or am I just a noob?
Also I heard automation is miles ahead of logic- what can the automation in ableton do that users in logic can't?
>one great thing I noticed is that you can just drag a frozen midi track into an audio track and cut that shit up in ableton. breddy guud
>>60662412
I always found FL had the best work flow for me personally. I don't really understand Ableton. I've been wanting how to use the live performance side of it though for jamming. Is it pretty straightforward?
>>60662495
I'm not a dj so I don't use it for live performance but it seems to me that since ableton is so godamn ugly it's very straightforward in its workflow. The only similar thing to live performance I've done is using the clip-view which is really neat. Good to jam around
I'd download the trial and just crack it. It's so easy to pirate
https://clyp.it/150mdzfz
any thoughts on this machinedrum - take flight remix so far? Any tips/criticism is welcome. still working on everything
>>60662412
Your right on your assumption I think. Logic effects and instruments sound really good. I've never really got on with live, but I'm also interested in why so many people think it's so good and what exactly is its merits over any other daw ?
>>60634350
been producing since 2010. have som controllers, but I never use them. Fucking useless. Only thing I use is an actual piano to brainstorm ideas.
Just produce dude, you don't need some piece of trash controller that you'll never use.
https://clyp.it/llmqh2k0
just a sketch of what i'm working on at the moment, so not much mixing/mastering yet.
is the basic melody crap or should i keep working on it?
>>60661367
>>60661715
I have a 12u floor standing rack with my audio interface, a couple of samplers and a reverb/echo unit, gives me crazy back ache using samplers at that level though. Thinking of getting a compressor and maybe a lexicon reverb delay unit to add to it. Does anyone know how good the Lexicon MX400XL units sound? I know Lexicon where always praised for their reverbs, but do they still hold up in newer hardware as all the stuff I've read is about their classic units...maybe I'll just get a Ensoniq DP4
>>60662412
>is this true or am I just a noob?
you're a noob
>>60663009
>merits
Marketing.
I mean, it's got so many missing features it's mind-boggling.
Do they support vst3 yet?
Proper multi monitor?
Plugin handling that isn't this chain-based crap?
Plugin architecture ("bit-ness") bridging?
Piano roll that isn't a bother to use?
Automation curves?
>>60663315
>Proper multi monitor?
they have this now
>Plugin handling that isn't this chain-based crap?
what's wrong with effects chains in ableton?
>Piano roll that isn't a bother to use?
same question as above
>Automation curves?
they have those too now
no bridging or vst3 yet. and timestretching in sampler, that's probably the most glaring omission for me. although they added it to simpler so maybe in the future?
>>60663215
Mine is just an ISP Decimator ProRack, AxeFX II XL, Furman PL Plus C E, PreSonus FireStudio Project, and soon a Matrix GT1000FX. I want to get a good compressor, mic preamp, and maybe delay as well.
>>60663358
>what's wrong with effects chains in ableton
I guess that's my personal bias talking.
>piano roll
It's slow to use and not very user friendly, also feature-limited compared to other DAWs. I don't remember, can you pop it out from the bottom bar and utilize more screen, or are you forced to vertically scroll all the time.
>curves
Last I saw Live was when 9.1 came out. It was pretty simplistic, no control points IIRC and felt tacked on. Lack of precision comes to mind.
>multi monitor
Well fuck me with a jack plug, they gone and done it.
>>60663493
>can you pop it out from the bottom bar and utilize more screen, or are you forced to vertically scroll all the time.
you can drag the divider between the piano roll and the session clips to make either area bigger/smaller
>no control points
wait what? aren't control points essentially the basis of automation? haven't they always been there?
>>60663531
Control point for curves (for slope, sharpness or tension), not line start and endpoints.
>>60650669
Seriously? That's bizarre.
Hello, sorry for my english.
I'm in need of some help:
I've been using Live Suite for a year and so far I preferred to master what is native before moving further. I decided to take advantage o the black friday and to buy my first 2 or 3 good plugin, with around 400/500 euro budget. Looking around a bit i opted for what I consider a safer investment with the discounts on the Native Instruments products.
The questions are:
-Since they're discounted, their Reverb, EQ and compressors ... are they worth?
-I Read many good things about those from UAD, but the site says they require dedicated hardware ... did I understand correctly?
-Kontakt, taking into account the budget, do i have to consider it a "must", considering the discount?
And finally, I want at least two synthesizers and I like them all: I've got a preference for Massive, Reaktor inspires me because modular fuck yes, and monark makes me hard as fuck. I know that it's up to try and there are demos, which I will download, but I'd appreciate your opinion a lot... what do?
After using ableton pretty much since it came out I've finally picked up a legitimate copy. Feels good tbqh.
>>60664275
Devs thinking they can package a metric ton of shit into their software just because users WILL install it because they don't care as long as their shiny new toy works should be fired, tortured, and then killed.
And then they probably also put in autostart with the system for "user's convenience" (as if anyone needs their stupid managers to run 24/7), then an update check and suddenly your PC takes ten times as long to start and you don't know what happened.
Fuck that.
Though in NI's case the decision probably comes from somewhere higher up.
Well, I don't want to waste CPU cycles on their stupid bullshit drivers for a device I don't even have.
FL does it fucking best. Registration is stored in system registry and that's fucking it. You can run it on as many PC as you own and it's not going to complain about "muh activation count exceeded, you can't use the software you've bought the licence for".
>>60664435
I'm using Komplete 10. I would recommend buying th bundle as a whole.
>-Since they're discounted, their Reverb, EQ and compressors ... are they worth?
Reverbs are great, you get a lot of modules to use in Guitar Rig and Reaktor 5. EQs are quite good and worth the price, though I usually use voxengo EQ on voices. The compressor is good, but it cannot be tweaked as much as other compressors. So, yeah all in all they are worth the price.
>-I Read many good things about those from UAD, but the site says they require dedicated hardware ... did I understand correctly?
Don't know, I'm not using anything from UAD.
>Kontakt, taking into account the budget, do i have to consider it a "must", considering the discount?
It depends on what you want to do with it. I make singer-songwriter stuff, and heavily use the pianos and the drums contained in the product.
I also use the synthesizers for many projects, and I can whole-heartedly recommend them, though, if you are more into electronical music, you are probably going to diversify your library with plugins from other firms such as u-he.
So it looks like my audio interface has had its support dropped with el capitan.
What are you guys using, it only needs to be 2 channel from my desk in to the computer
>>60664637
First off, thanks a bunch for your comment, i'm writing this shit since this morning and nobody's answering me.
My doubt with Kontakt is what you said: i'm pretty much more focused on synthesis right now, and if i'm going to buy kontakt, it's becuase of its reputation, its discount and because i'm going to use it in the future more than i would right now.
Yes, i'm for electronic music and there are other synths that i want other than those from N.I. but they're not discounted, so i'm going all for N.I's. Can you tell me on your experience what do you think of Massive, reaktor and monark? I like the sound of monark and the concept of minimoog inspired, which might be a good training ground for my first analog synth in the future (a Moog), Reaktor looks like a great modular simulation and massive is a classic.
I don't know of all those things what should i get.
>>60664719
does apple not have any equivalent to compatibility mode in windows? i just discovered a couple of days ago that i can use my old as balls interface with windows 7 or 8 even though the official drivers only go up to vista
>>60664865
It's focusrite that are dragging their heels on a driver. It's an old USB 1 device, their more recent stuff is fine. I had hope in the beginning as they said they were working on it but it's been months now and I need to get back to work.
>>60664900
if it's a usb 1 device i dont think they're dragging their heels so much as just giving up on it altogether. sucks that there's no compatibility mode in macs, the audio interface i'm talking about is also an old usb1 model from 2003
>>60665061
Yeah it's pretty ridiculous on apples part. Your ports are physically compatible and a legacy USB driver surely can't be too taxing. I've thought about moving over to my windows machine and then just networking the recordings over to the mac but I'm loathe to add another step to my working process and try to keep work off of the windows machine as much as possible.
>>60634350
i have a novation launch key mini and it absolutely owns, fuck the haters
So, i used to be ablet to change the buffer size in ableton, until i upgraded to suite. Now i can't do it anymore. None of my drivers changed, the only thing that changed is that i upgraded.
What do? 128 is too much for my PC.
>>60665323
is it not just under hardware setup like it always is?
what D A W should i pirate
>tfw I got some money, but I can't buy anything because I can't play anything
I guess the only upgrade for me is piano lessons.
>>60665388
what? i literally posted a screenshot that has the buffer size in it. normally you can adjust the value right there but as you can see i can't even click it or anything.
>>60665467
Reaper
So Im looking for an audio interface. Are these any good?
>>60665531
Post a screenshot of what happens after you click Hardware Setup
>>60665803
For the price they're one of the best. Focusrite, Presonus and Steinberg are all very good brands as well but their interfaces cost more but usually have better preamps; the M Track is just a good all purpose interface, sort of a jack of all trades master of none type deal. However it's worth noting that the higher end M Audio interfaces are actually quite good and are close or equal to the other brands, for less cost too, for example the M Track Quad is just a rebranded Akai Eie Pro without the meters and a slightly different case. I'm currently using the original M Track and it sounds nice, a little noisy but I imagine the new model sounds cleaner, if it's your first interface it'll work well for you.
>>60666141
Alright sweet thanks for the info
>>60665531
>normally you can adjust the value right there
not for me, i always use hardware setup
>>60666059
>>60666475
I can only adjust sample rate and such in hardware setup. not buffer size. like i said i used to be able to adjust it right there.
>>60666563
>buffer length
Has anyone tried Presonus Studio One? It looks good, and seem like an exceptionally full featured DAW for the price but I haven't even heard of it until just now.
>>60666606
Thats not the same as Buffer Size.
>>60666810
It is.
>>60666845
Then why does me test sound still crackle even though i set it to 5. I assume 5 equals 500 samples. That's what i had it on before i upgraded and it worked fine.
Also shouldn't i still be able to adjust Buffer Size in just that window when i used to be able to do it before?
>>60666909
if youre on windows go to control panel
I have Steinberg ur 22 and I have to set it from there instead of in ableton
>>60666909
5 ms equals whatever amount of samples it needs to have 5ms at your current sample rate.
You're running 88200, so 5ms is 441 samples.
As to your other question, dono. Maybe the version numbers changed and Ableton disabled it, maybe you were running DirectSound or WASAPI.
>>60635921
>using apple or microsoft products
lel, good bait
>>60666631
I stopped trying out new DAWs since Bitwig came out.
The hype just does not live up to the disappointment.
>>60667178
same I was excited for bitwig when I heard about it but ended up so disappointed when I tried it
Hey guys, I'm thinking about selling my microkorg, what are some other cool hard synths worth checking out?
>>60652422
drums r way too loud
>>60667041
>You're running 88200, so 5ms is 441 samples.
How does that math equation work
>>60667367
I live by the old hawaiian saying, "If your drums aren't clipping, your mix is slipping."
>>60666909
Did you always use 88200 sample rate? You'd have 441 samples with a 5ms buffer at 88200 but if you were using default Ableton setting of 44100 sample rate you'd need a 10ms buffer to have 441 samples.
Is there a /prod/ wiki or something like that?
Need a mic for recording vocals, only have some AKG live mics and they don't sound too good
>>60667475
sm58
>>60667433
5ms is 1/200 of a second 1/200 of 88200 samples is 441
>>60650669
>implying this is difficult
>>60664598
That's not really how it works anon.
>>60664719
>>60664865
One of my interfaces only has drivers up to Vista. They work in 7, but it's temperamental.
>>60667262
I replaced mine with a KARMA however long ago. That's gone now too though. Want to get an MS-20 and JU-06.
>>60667475
SM58 is a solid cheap option. I use an SM7, but you may want a condenser depending on what you're doing. I used to own an AT4040 for that.
>>60664435
>Since they're discounted, their Reverb, EQ and compressors ... are they worth?
Defiantly. The Effects are the main reason I bought Complete Ultimate. Excellent start to a studio if you don't already have a good set of compressors, EQ, etc
>I Read many good things about those from UAD, but the site says they require dedicated hardware ... did I understand correctly?
Yes, the way UAD stuff works mostly is you buy a hardware unit that takes all the processing power away from your computer.
Kontakt, taking into account the budget, do i have to consider it a "must", considering the discount?
Depends on how much you are interested in sampling? Its a very good sampler.
>I've got a preference for Massive, Reaktor inspires me because modular fuck yes, and monark makes me hard as fuck. I know that it's up to try and there are demos, which I will download, but I'd appreciate your opinion a lot... what do?
Buy Complete Ultimate in the sale. includes all of those and pretty much everything else...although I think it might only include Reaktor 5? If I had to chose from those 3 it'd be Reaktor, Its a no brainer really. I mean Monark is made in Reaktor
>>60648887
Ubuntu Studio
It's a full fledged distro packed with all the free prod software you could possibly need.
>>60667585
>That's not really how it works anon
Enlighten me then.
>>60667479
thanks but
>>60667585
>condenser
That's what I'm looking for. Though the AT4040 is still a bit out of my price range.
For dynamic mics I got a AKG D 330 BT (80s) and a D88S (for guitar). Still wanna get a SM57/58 for live stuff and instrument recording, but not perfect for vocal recording.
>>60667585
>implying this is difficult
I'm not saying it's difficult, because it's done automatically by the installer. My claim was it was fucking ridiculous and going the long way at something that should be simple.
>>60667591
>>60664435
>I mean Monark is made in Reaktor
forgot to mention in case you didn't know that Reaktor also contains the monark OSC and filter.
its worth putting a bit of time into looking at what you really want from the effects side of N.I stuff. The Classic reverbs are very good,but my goto for reverb is still Valhalla vintage verb. The classic compressors are great I use the VC160 a lot on my drums, its a fantastic emulation of the DBX 160 compressor. although Ive not spent a lot of time with the guitar rig stuff yet there is a tonne of good effects that come bundled with that too. A great Roland space echo and lots of reverbs, saturation and lots lots more.
I bought Maschine and then Monark and Razor and then ended up just buying Komplete Ultimateits been worth every penny so far and apart from a few other plugins from Waves I've not had the need to buy anything else and can't see me needing to for the near future...although I'm vey tempted by the sale price of Reel ADT at the moment
>>60664859
Can you tell me on your experience what do you think of Massive, reaktor and monark?
There are plenty of sounds which come with them, and they are quite tweakable. Don't forget FM8, which is also a great synthesizer with tons of sounds. And Absynth if you are into ambient.
Reaktor is probably the mighties of all of them, since it can produce sounds and process signals like halls, delays, reverbs, distortions etc. It is quite versatile. The last time I used it was in a pop cover for reverb and in combination with polyplex (digital/analog drum sample synth modeller) and another time for voice-over distortion of a spaceship pilot.
So, yeah, Reaktor is quite sick.
>>60667744
maybe ebay yrself a rode nt1-a
