Is there any sound that can't be music?
probably this
>>60338939
a nuclear bomb exploding.
not a recording of one, an actual one.
Check mate athiests
fuck no
>>60339585
I don't get it.
Any sound that wasn't made with the intent of sounding good to the human ear?
>>60339623
how can you have a nuclear bombbe in music? there's no feasible way you could perform that music
>>60339623
probably because it wouldnt leave any humans behind to classify it as music
>>60339646
you can record it and use it in a piece of music, making it a musical sound
>>60339674
>all music must be able to be performed
>>60339674
>>60339681
Are you implying a nuclear bomb has never been detonated?
>>60339707
It must sound to exist.
Anything else is just a representation or it.
>>60339723
no, I'm implying you can't make it music cause it wasn't part of music then
>>60339753
So what's stopping anyone from detonating a nuclear bomb for musical purposes then?
music is sound with intent. This is the only criterion.
>>60339773
No one could call it music, because there would be no one left that heard it to call it music.
>>60339681
>you can record it and use it in a piece of music, making it a musical sound
Still, the original sound wasn't and never will be music.
You can make music out of me farting on your face, but the sound of me farting on your face wasn't made with the intent of sounding good therefore it wasn't music
>>60339855
what if i made music with the intent of sounding bad but everyone else thought it sounded good (inb4 tmr meme). or just with the intent of it being sound, regardless of my own judgement
If a tree falls in the woods and no one is around to make a field recording of it is it music?
>>60339901
it's ok, since you made it with the intent of being music
The exact same sound may or may not be music, it all depends on if you made it with the intent of being music or not
>>60339978
the critic is the real artist
>>60339907
did the tree really fallen down if no one has heard it?
>>60339994
le shrodinger cat XXDDDDDDDDD
of course you idiot
A woman on a ukulele
>>60339823
are you retarded? serious question
>>60339823
what if you record it with something that instatly transmits the sound to somewhere else so other people could hear it and finally hear what a nuclear bomb is all about
>>60340005
lelelelele but wot if the tree was fallen since begining?
>>60340017
Yes
>>60338939
yeah, they call it hip-hop
>>60339753
going by your logic only music played live is music, since you seem to think anything recorded (i.e. nuclear bomb exploding, your favourite album etc) don't qualify as music.
there's music in everything. silence is the most important part of music (but even total silence does not exist; you'll hear something all the time and even when blocked from outside noises you'll start hearing your own body function, blood flowing etc).
if we want to be more specific music can be narrowed down to sounds organised/arranged by a sentient being.
>>60340075
hmmm good point, I believe that would make it music but only in a non-regular Minkowski space
>>60340115
>sounds organised/arranged by a sentient being
So whalesongs and birdsongs aren't music then? Because they're definitely not sentient beings. What about mating calls?
>>60339674
Edgard Varèse's Amériques has already been done
>>60339585
>>60339674
check this out
"What has happened is - now you all have to turn your brains around - the greatest work of art there has ever been. That minds could achieve something in one act, which we in music cannot even dream of, that people rehearse like crazy for ten years, totally fanatically for one concert, and then die. This is the greatest possible work of art in the entire cosmos. Imagine what happened there. There are people who are so concentrated on one performance, and then 5000 people are chased into the Afterlife, in one moment. This I could not do. Compared to this, we are nothing as composers... Imagine this, that I could create a work of art now and you all were not only surprised, but you would fall down immediately, you would be dead and you would be reborn, because it is simply too insane. Some artists also try to cross the boundaries of what could ever be possible or imagined, to wake us up, to open another world for us."
~Karlheinz Stockhausen on 9/11
>>60340341
edgy, I like it.
>>60340341
By that logic every battle is a work of art.
Wait a second, why don't we treat war like art again? I mean it's emotionally significant, criticizable, it can be aesthetic and stylish, it's like really really dedicated and passionate performance art.
>>60341029
A battle isn't a performance, it's based on the outcome of the soldiers, which is based on luck and tactics, which I guess is an art.
9/11 was a performance, it was a bada-bing-bada-boom kind of ordeal. It technically was a piece of performance art, meant to change the public consciousness... and it did
this thread just proved that life is art and all sound is music
>>60341115
>A battle isn't a performance, it's based on the outcome of the soldiers, which is based on luck and tactics, which I guess is an art.
I guess you're right, but wouldn't it be really cool if there was performance art that had never been rehearsed, that depended entirely on luck and intuition, and gambled with the lives of thousands of people?
>>60341219
yj this is getting ridiculous. i love it. howd we go about doing that?
>>60341219
Like a Joker scene in a Batman movie?
>>60341219
>mfw I realize life is just a big unrehearsed art performance
but who is it for?
can the performers also be the audience?
>>60340115
>>60340223
lol you had me until sentient being. you meme'd urself anon sorry
>>60341382
every one of us is god putting on a mask, you are the universe experiencing itself anon
>>60341382
yes you fucking ass hole
AWW MAN
MUSIC IS JUST
SO
OBJECTIVE
>>60341382
It's for God, ya dingus. Smear some jelly on your face on camera reciting biblical passages. You'll understand art in no time.
>>60341469
woah
>>60341473
what?
>>60341382
Art is a representation of life, life that imitates art is contrived. Art is great but it's enhancing the experience it isn't the basic experience.
>>60340341
well he's right about one thing, 9/11 was better than anything stockhausen ever did
>>60341219
death by free jazz improv
