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>>55667804
Whoever made this chart knows nothing about any of those genres
>Four Tet
>House
>Dizzee Rascal
>Garage
wot
>>55667804
what an awful chart
>>55667804
RDJ Album isn't techno though, it's when Richard was experimenting with jungle
>>55667804
Thank you never.
RDJ album is jungle
Immunity is techno, Four Tet is IDM
Dizzee is grime, Burial is dubstep
Orb is ambient house, BoC is IDM
Your chart is so unbearably shit
>>55667890
4tet is folktronica
>>55667890
RDJ album is not fucking jungle
>>55667804
Jon Hopkins accomplishes for artsy upper class kids what Disclosure accomplishes for the masses.
And if you're going to count Voices From The Lake as techno, you might as well count Gas as techno and replace them.
There's so much wrong with this that I don't even want to start, those are just my two main issues.
>>55667912
yeh it's drill and bass, which is an experimental variation of jungle
>>55667890
IDM is not a genre.
>>55667936
>if
http://www.residentadvisor.net/review-view.aspx?id=10529
>>55667890
>RDJ album is jungle
Thats just retarded
>Immunity is techno
Nope
>Four Tet is IDM
Not even a genre
>Dizzee is grime, Burial is dubstep
Both garage genres
>BoC is IDM
Not a genre
>>55668049
wow great argument fagtron you sure convinced me with those hot opinions.
>>55668012
>http://www.residentadvisor.net/review-view.aspx?id=10529
I don't know what you are hoping to accomplish linking that. It's stating that they take techno elements and make something new, exactly like Gas (or Basic Channel, which raises another issues; why is there no Basic Channel mentioned on the chart?).
Plus, RA is basically P4k for underground electronic music with less of an emphasis on clickbait. It isn't valid lmao.
>>55668105
Sucks to be wrong, huh
>>55667804
>Craig David
lel
>>55668111
Link me anywhere on the web it says VftL is not techno made by techno producers
http://www.discogs.com/Voices-From-The-Lake-Feat-Donato-Dozzy-Neel-Voices-From-The-Lake/master/495592
http://www.factmag.com/2015/04/13/voices-from-the-lake-ready-live-at-maxxi-album-for-editions-mego/
/bleep/ here
OP is still the closest to being right ITT tbh
>>55668192
this guy is full of shit
regard, real /bleep/
>>55668163
>Link me anywhere on the web it says VftL is not techno made by techno producers
I'm not disagreeing lmao. There are just many better choices of "weird" techno.
>>55667804
>techno
Hahahaha
>2015
>still using fake genre labels like ''IDM'' to feel special
smh /mu/
>>55668227
Who said anything about it having to be 'weird'?
>>55667834
This.
>>55667804
Also
>downtempo
>no bonobo
Kill urself
>>55668295
>brotempo
>>55668192
That's fucking adorable. Even if these were personal top fives this would be fucking adorable. MCDE is great but never has he put out something worth being top five of anything. Same goes for Four Tet. Midtown 120 is a quality record but not a top five house album and not in the discussion even.
Richard D. James top Techno?? Really? Richard D James might be top IDM, it is most definitely fucking not top techno.
I don't listen to breaks, I don't listen to Garage (but for God sakes it cracks me up to see Burial on a top anything chart)
Don't listen to trance, haven't listend to Downtempo in a while.
OP nice try but fucking get a hold of yourself and develop some taste before claiming your weak shit is definitive.
People denying idm to be a genre are just butthurt retards with low iq.
>>55667804
>Darude - Sandstorm
Well memed
>>55667834
>>55667890
>>55668295
>Grime is a genre of English music that emerged in London, England. It was developed in the early 2000s, primarily as a development of UK garage, drum and bass, dancehall and hip hop.[2]
>development of UK garage,
>Dubstep /ˈdʌbstɛp/ is a genre of electronic dance music that originated in South London, England. It emerged in the late 1990s as a development within a lineage of related styles such as 2-step garage, broken beat, drum and bass, jungle, dub and reggae.[1]
>development within a lineage of related styles such as 2-step garage
>>55668342
People pretending IDM is real are insecure people using a genre label to boost their failing self esteem.
I know people instinctively despise the use of the genre IDM, but for artists like Aphex, Jon Hopkins, Four Tet and Boards of Canada it's honestly the best descriptor, IDM is a mishmash of electronic music genres, primarily coming from the ambient techno and downtempo direction but also incorporating other elements such as jungle and glitch
It's an umbrella genre, it's not as concise as a genre like techno but its validity as a genre is the same
>>55668396
>>55668372
>>55668261
how can genre labels be fake
>>55668410
thankyou
>>55668410
Its techno with some other elements, ergo, a techno subgenre.
Just like post-punk still falls under punk.
Or twinkly Mid Western emo falls under rock.
>>55668396
You're out of your damn mind if you think you're going to drag me down into some sophomoric argument about what genres are "real" or not.
>>55668440
>>55668473
butthurt insecure people using a genre label to boost their failing self esteem detected
>>55668372
It is real. the only reason richard didnt admit it to be a thing was because he didnt want people with low iq and other mentally handicapped to be put off by his music, so he could make more money.
>>55668486
at this point people saying IDM is not a real thing end up more pretentious than people claiming IDM is an actual therm
>>55667804
The only thing wrong in this chart is Aphex Twin, because he sucks. Put Vladislav Delay in his place.
>>55667804
>Richard D. James techno
>not break
>>55668507
ah the old reverse no u meme
>>55668486
later
>>55668534
nice reddit post
>>55668512
Pretentious contrarian detected
>>55668512
Pretentious contrarian detected.
>>55668455
It's not techno in the case when it's incorporating elements of jungle, like in the case of Richard D James Album, and µ-Ziq's Lunatic Harness to give another example, IDM may originate from techno, but it's not a techno sub-genre
Are ''IDM'' fans the electronic equivalent of ''experimental'' fans in rock?
The genre label doesn't make your taste look better kids.
>>55668549
pulling out all the memes today, huh
>>55668583
No it doesnt, but its still an existing genre.
>>55668550
>>55668576
>if you don't like muh /mu/core artist you're a pretentious contrarian
bless
>>55668583
Literally nobody itt is doing that though
And IDM has way more validity as a genre than "experimental"
>>55668583
The genre fans don't give a shit about the genre name beyond the acronym itself at all.
The only people that get buttmad over the IDM tag are insecure people, the same insecure people that talk shit about "nuh-huh, my techno/house/jungle is not EDM, EDM is commercialized american dance music, I listen to QUALITY intellectual dance music from UK and Germany!".
>>55668628
>Literally nobody itt is doing that though
ahahaha
>>55668624
>it's /mu/core so it's bad
bless
>>55668633
>The genre fans don't give a shit about the genre name beyond the acronym itself at all.
you keep pretending that champ
>>55668657
You keep being insecure about your taste in music, /bleep/fag.
>>55668653
I never said that.
>>55668687
>implying I don't have that containment thread hidden
Anyone know if the mixing on this Atkins comp is worse than the originals, before I download it? Discogs says its not the original mixes, amongst other liner mistakes.
>>55667827
Pretty much. All the obvious classics are missing, some aren't the best releases by the artist, and there's the overall feeling that the creator only got into the music in a certain year and is biased against everything before that. Also seems to lean more towards pop than progressive.
Fuck off turny.
Can someone define IDM?
Is anything electronic that combines 2 or more genres ''IDM'' basically?
>>55668723
>progressive.
>posts Juan Atkins
>>55668753
You should read the AllMusic descriptions when you want to understand what a genre tag means.
>>55668769
greentext, nice
>john hopkins is essential
jesus fuck I'm glad I don't come outside of /bleep/ anymore
>>55668781
>Allmusic
Why? What do a bunch of suits in the Rovi offices know about music?
>>55668753
Yes, the internet can
http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intelligent_dance_music
>>55668753
Can someone define progressive rock or post-rock?
>>55668815
Don't know what that means? How does that answer the question?
Hi, you've been visited by Le Silly Willy.
>>55668830
>Detroit techno and various breakbeat styles that were emerging in the UK at that time.[2][3]
>Stylistically, IDM tended to rely upon individualistic experimentation rather than adhering to musical characteristics associated with specific genres of dance music.[4]
>The range of post-techno[5] styles to emerge in the early 1990s.
I'm just seeing ''techno'' a lot.
People who give bigger priority to genre names and genre definitions don't really like music.
That being said, the OP list is trash.
>>55668753
It's an umbrella genre to describe electronic music that a) is designed primarily for listening to outside of a club environment, b) is consumed mostly in an album format c) originated from ambient techno in the early 90s but grew to incorporate elements of jungle, glitch and ambient into the late 90s and early 2000s
>>55668839
rock music + guitar wankery
rock music + guitar wankery, slower and without vocals
>>55668889
> the OP list is trash.
Post one better album for each genre.
>>55668890
So like rock, jazz, folk and other subgenres, its a techno subgenre with other elements, hence being a subgenre, thanks for confirming that.
>>55668938
>>55668960
It used to, it evolved to become a thing of it's own since then.
>>55668769
>inventing techno itself
>not progressive
Bed, now.
>>55668995
But like post-punk (punk), freak-folk (folk), baroque-pop (pop), thrash metal (metal) or post-bop (jazz), still has its roots in one overriding genre (techno).
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>>55669038
>I'M SICK AND TIRED OF HIS SHITPOSTING ABOUT SCOOTER
Is he the one who always makes those threads?
>>55669038
Turny hasn't even posted ITT, idiot
>>55668995
>>55668938
Shit, forgot to attach image.
>>55669036
It has roots in many genres.
>>55669055
nah, I've made a few of them, he used to like 5 years ago
>>55669055
he makes 90% of them yeah
the rest are by Malcolm X-Wing
>>55669077
>>55668890
>c) originated from ambient techno in the early 90s
Make your mind up.
>>55669110
meant for
>>55669059
Ambient techno originated from ambient house. Ergo, ambient techno is a house sub-genre and IDM falls under house music,
>>55669110
it did though
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Artificial_Intelligence_%28series%29
>>55669174
So it IS a techno subgenre.
Okay, okay, I agree.
>>55669159
house originates from disco and disco originates from funk and funk originates from soul and soul originates from rhythm and blues
ergo, IDM is a blues subgenre
>>55669038
>>55669110
>>55669189
That's what first wave IDM was, which was a techno/electro subgenre. The waves that followed are of a different ilk though.
>>55669198
blues came from slavery songs, slavery songs came from Africa, so its ALL post-African repetitions.
>>55668049
>Not a genre
then what's this then?
https://rateyourmusic.com/genre/IDM/
>>55669245
I already agreed, IDM is just techno with a break and a glitch here and there. No need to keep going on.
>>55669285
The original point was and still is that RDJ Album and IDM past-1995 is not techno.
>>55669271
>RYM
>authority on anything
>>55669314
bigger authority than no-name 4channers who can only spout greentext.
>>55669308
You've just spent the last 30 minutes convincing me IDM is just techno with some breaks, I'm not going back now.
>>55669339
First wave IDM, mind you.
RDJ Album is not first wave IDM. Don't blame me for your reading comprehension.
>>55669339
IDM has no specific sound, that's why artists as far apart sound wise such as Boards of Canada and Venetian Snares for example are both IDM
>>55669361
Which you keep saying is techno, ergo Aphex Twin is in the right place, sorted.
>>55669249
repetitions are forms of reflections and reflections are forms of universal existence
>>55669382
Venetian Snares is breakcore m8
>>55669384
Only first wave IDM is techno, RDJ Album is not first wave IDM.
>>55669414
and Boards of Canada is downtempo, yet they are both examples of IDM, it's an umbrella genre
>>55669418
Its all techno, just as twinkly emotional Mid Western hardcore punk rock is still rock, just with a different and silly name.
where are the donks tbh?
>>55669445
>Its all techno
Only first wave IDM, the other waves made IDM into a complete separate thing of it's own.
>>55669443
IDM is a type of downtempo, not the other way round.
>>55669471
nope, artists like Lemon Jelly and Air are downtempo, yet they are not IDM
this is the worst thread ever
>>55669467
How? Its rooted in techno. Its underlying basis is techno. The production is all rooted in techno. Adding a bit of this and that from your Fruity Loops doesn't change the techno part.
>>55669533
>Its rooted in techno
Only first wave IDM is.
>>55669496
Not true by the definitions ITT
Anything that fuses 2 electronic genres is IDM apparantly
Nu jazz, thats IDM
Downtempo with a glitch or 2, thats IDM
Future garage, thats IDM
Glitch hop, thats IDM
Its literally anything you want to call IDM. Just not first wave, thats techno.
>>55669382
>>55669513
[2]
>>55669513
>>55669629
Well you're no fun.
Now I have to go back to the boring shit that is regular /mu/ threads.
>>55669601
>Nu jazz, thats IDM
no
>Downtempo with a glitch or 2, thats IDM
yes
>Future garage, thats IDM
sometimes
>Glitch hop, thats IDM
sometimes
>>55669738
see
>>55669382
>IDM has no specific sound
Not my words. Looks like you better define it then, or else anything can be IDM.
>>55669769
It's hard to define, that's why many don't consider it a genre, it's more about the aesthetic, IDM tends to be more "accessible" to a wider crowd than other types of electronic music, partly because it is closer to rock music in its promotion and the way it is consumed, being released on albums, as opposed to singles and EPs as with other types of electronic dance music
