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Since Mingus is considered by many to be one of jazz's most important composers, what do you consider to be his second best compositional achievement (assuming that most of you would choose Black Saint as his first.)?? How about specific tunes?
>>54812671
Top 3 jazz peoples:
Pharoah Sanders
Dave Holland
Sun Ra
>>54812688
spoken like a true rock fan
Been listening to a lot of Lennie Tristano in the last month, great stuff.
>>54812671
I've been on a huge Gary Burton fix lately, and it's great. He swings like a mother fucker and I love his phrasing. He also put out an album with astor piazzolla. That's a bonus for me because I love nuevo tango
>>54812711
whatevr m8. those are just my top 3
>>54812804
>Gary Burton w/ Astor Piazzola
damn didn't know about this
>>54812834
it's on spotify. Really cool album too
>>54812671
Monk > Mingus
I really enjoyed this hearing it for the first time the other day. Is this the most impressive line-up ever on an album, or would that be the one on Miles & the Modern Jazz Giants, or... somethin' else?
>>54812671
Maybe not as complex but I absolutely love the Clown. But Ah Um (to be more specific, Goodbye Lester Young is probably the best jazz composition of all time). It's just the best thing he ever wrote.
>>54813088
It's hard to beat kind of blue... I mean that's one of the first albums people hear so sometimes you forget how crazy that lineup actually is.
Also Blues and the Abstract Truth is up there too.
So what are everybody's dream lineups?
>>54812755
Def. agree. Descent into the Maelstrom is a great album.
>>54813088
Both of Miles's quintets are pretty stacked imo.
Miles Davis — trumpet
John Coltrane — tenor saxophone
Red Garland — piano
Paul Chambers — bass
Philly Joe Jones — drums
Miles Davis — trumpet
Wayne Shorter — tenor saxophone
Herbie Hancock — piano,
Ron Carter — bass
Tony Williams — drums
>>54813161
>dat second quintet lineup
so good
>>54813154
>everybody's dream lineups?
>Art Blakey
>Charles Mingus
>Clifford Brown
>Wayne Shorter
>Herbie Hancock
>>54812671
The Clown and Tijuana Moods are my favorite Mingus albums
>>54813283
The Shorter-Brown-Hancock interaction would be phenomenal, I'm not sure where Mingus fits in.
I'd swap Mingus for Ron Carter and Art Blakey for Max Roach.
>>54812671
- Let My Children Hear Music
- Pithecanthropus Erectus
If you like Mingus and want something similar, check out:
- Duke Ellington
- Gunther Schuller
- Gil Evans
- Miles Davis with Gil Evans
- Mal Waldron
- Eric Dolphy
>>54813325
Mingus fits with Blakey, he most swingy drummer and the most swingy bassist. what could go wrong?
>max roach
blakey is way better at keeping the groove though max is the better soloist.
>>54812711
>pharoah sanders
>sun ra
>rock
what
>>54813283
>>54813325
>I'm not sure where Mingus fits in.
He would have to be the leader and be in charge of the compositions, or it would never work. See: Money Jungle.
Definitely Blues & Roots; in fact, it's comparable to Black Saint in my opinion.
Wynton Marsalis is coming to where I am, I really want to see him, but tickets are probably going to be impossible to get and super motherfucking expensive
>>54813089
Speaking of which Reincarnation of a Lovebird off the Clown is such hot fire. I definitely think one of his best compositions. The ode to Lester Young is beautiful. He also has an ode to Eric Dolphy (played with Eric Dolphy right before he died) on the Cornell 1964 album that breaks my heart.
And since no one has mentioned Pithecanthropus Erectus yet, booYA:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZB6GkA54n_Q
>>54813405
where was that implied?
>>54813426
Where you said that a true rock fan would put Sun Ra and Pharoah Sanders on their top 3 jazz musicians.
Is anybody else a fan of pianoless jazz groups? Something about them feels purer, a bit more primitive but also a bit more energetic.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zp9JPkzIGl8
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HrBgusFgE1Q
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DNbD1JIH344
>>54813445
I'm still missing the part where that implies their music is rock
>>54813467
I really enjoy that sound sometimes which is weird since I'm a pianist. It's a cool trend that's kind of been coming back in the past few years. Lots of great chordless albums have come out lately.
someone knows a good source to listen to true classic Jazz, like Dixieland, Big Band and Swing stuff?
I want to get into that era of Jazz more
>>54813415
I feel ya.
People wonder why jazz is dominated by older fans, and then all the biggest names charge 50+ at their shows.
>>54813405
Most rock listeners tend to like more in your face 'experimental' jazz. You know, late Coltrane, Dolphy, Mingus, Bitches Brew, etc. The funny thing is, most of the experimental stuff isn't nearly as good as the traditional stuff that inspired it. Rock fans just seem to latch onto stuff that's more aggressive, better produced, louder, and more exciting- like Sun Ra and Pharoah Sanders.
>>54813522
Spotify, youtube
Check out the Ken Burns doc if you need some names and ideas about the real early roots of jazz and into the swing era
>>54813381
I give you the Blakey-Mingus interplay. That is why I replaced with Roach for the Max-Clifford duo.
>>54813154
>Acoustic
Thelonious Monk
Charlie Haden
Eric Dolphy
Elvin Jones
Freddie Hubbard
>Electric
Chick Corea
Allan Holdsworth
Miles Davis
Robert Wyatt
Dave Holland
Ian Underwood & Bunk Gardner
>>54813542
>The funny thing is, most of the experimental stuff isn't nearly as good as the traditional stuff that inspired it.
can you expound on this
>>54813522
The Chronological Classics series has done well for me.
>>54813542
Fusion jazz yeah, and maybe a few records of avant-garde like Ascension, but most avant-garde jazz isn't louder or more exciting than classic bop records.
>>54813542
>Most rock listeners tend to like
Maybe in the shithole where you live.
>>54813470
He's trying to imply you've only listened to the well-known acts that rock fans listen to. More or less he's saying you're a "and the list goes on." kind of guy.
>>54813591
I suppose it's sort of a personal opinion. But in my eyes, jazz lost a lot of important things when it became more a 'sonic' genre than a harmonic genre. Coltrane's late experiments with sound and the limits of the horn were interesting, but they're nothing compared to a great solo over a great composition, in my mind.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6liAgg4SN88
>>54813629
What you're describing never stopped being made, and is still the most lasting variant of jazz to this day.
Experimental works are celebrated as high points because they are compositionally challenging and often demand more from the listener.
>>54813629
Do you think the period of sonic experimentation was a natural progression and that it eventually needed to go this way, or do you see it as an aberration?
>>54813088
Hank Mobley - Soul station
Mobley on sax
Paul Chambers on bass
Wynton Kelly on piano
Art Blakey on drums
Paul Chambers - Paul Chambers quintet
Paul Chambers on bass
Tommy Flanagan on piano
Donald Byrd on trumpet
Clifford Jordan on sax
Elvin Jones on drums
pic related is also pretty impressive
>>54813701
It was the natural progression. The same thing sort of happened in Western art music as well- things started going more to the theoretical side, pushing the limits of what was music and what wasn't. If jazz was to go on, it would have to go the route it did. I just don't enjoy listening to and probably wouldn't enjoy performing the freer stuff as much as the more traditional stuff.
Are there any rules of thumb for bebop articulation on the saxophone? I've been listening to a lot of Bird but I still can't wrap my head around what he's doing.
>>54813628
I don't think they're well known acts though.
I'll give you Sun Ra because he's pretty much the face of weird free jazz musicians (and he's more known for his philosophy than for his music), but if something, a rock fan pretending to like jazz would like Miles Davis, John Coltrane, Mingus and all the critically acclaimed musicians.
Dream lineup
Joe Henderson
Freddie Hubbard
Scott LaFaro
Elvin Jones
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZrTYRU7ekuk
Anyone know the album below Machine Gun?
>>54813823
bro if you really need a list of rules then maybe jazz isn't for you
I've listened to several of Mingus's works but I can really only list Mingus Ah Um and Tijuana Moods as thoroughly enjoyable.
>>54813910
You should also like Mingus Mingus Mingus Mingus Mingus, if you haven't heard it yet.
What's the easiest album to into free jazz if I thought the shape of jazz to come was good but was a little bit predictable
>>54814049
Albert Ayler - Spiritual Unity
>>54813283
This would be a disappointing album
>>54814049
the next Coleman one, Free Jazz
>>54814049
Strange Strings
Does anybody have any thoughts on this album? Just got it the other day and I don't remember ever seeing it mentioned much here.
>>54813874
I knew I had seen that somewhere.
>>54813154
Charles Mingus
Bud Powell
Elvin Jones
Johnny Griffin
Eric Dolphy
Bandleader: Charles Mingus
Playing Compositions by Thelonious Monk
>>54814269
This probably would not be good unless they played straight ahead bop.
>>54814269
Quick revisions
Charles Mingus
Bud Powell
Elvin Jones
Jackie McLean (alto sax)
Johnny Griffin (tenor sax)
Eric Dolphy (bass clarinet)
Bandleader: Charles Mingus
Playing compositions by Thelonious Monk
>>54814380
Bud Powell and Johnny Griffin would ruin that set
>>54814301
Disagreed, this is basically half of Mingus's working sextet in the mid sixties plus a Monk cohort, plus an ex Mingus cohort, most of whom are Monk fanboys. The only one I'm not sure about is Elvin Jones but I've never heard him play badly. Safer choice Billy Higgins.
>>54814421
But a good jazz band should be more than just the sum of it's parts
>>54814419
Now how could that be true with performances like these?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dSstSaegTaA
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FuHjgKQDofs
>>54814448
Yeah and I'm saying I've heard most of those individual parts play together and have great chemistry.
>>54814460
Have been scouring the web to find Mingus and Elvin Jones playing together. Just now realizing that one of my favorite albums (pic related) has Miles, Mingus, and Jones all killin it.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_6gRQTslQfw
Dream Line up
>Milestones Miles Davis
>John Coltrane
>Thelonious Monk
>Art Blakey
> Wes Montgomery
>Charles Mingus (on bass)
best post-2000 jazz?
>>54814880
Omer Avital - New Song
>>54814832
I can't see that sounding good.
WELL HELLOOOOO CONSUMER
YES HELLOOOO CONSUMER
BA BA BA BA BADA BA
BEBOP COLAAAAAA YEEEAAAAAAHHH
>>54814942
Something has to form from all these different genre. Two bop musicians, two modal musicians, one tall angry ass mingus, and far wes. It would be one super album then the group would dissolve due to personalities.
Sonny Rollins
Max Roach
Clifford Brown
Mingus
Art Tatum
>>54815026
ehhh, a lot of times those sorts of collabs are just a creative mess (too much tug of war, see Money Jungle)
>>54815086
>not liking Duke's Money Jungle
>>54815114
It's definitely listenable, but it has problems. The lineup you suggested would as well.
>>54812671
Couldn't stand Pithecantropus at first but now it's pretty good. Ah Um would be my second favorite of his.
>>54812688
Eric Dolphy
Sun Ra
Cecil Taylor
Mingus and Pharoah would be close up there too
>>54813088
>>54813161
>>54813714
It's like you haven't heard of "The Quintet", dudes
Dizzy Gillespie
Charlie Parker
Bud Powell
Charles Mingus
Max Roach
>>54814049
Coleman's Free Jazz and Cecil Taylor - Conquistador
>>54815086
Not a lot of times, just sometimes. And Money Jungle was clearly a Duke album and not much of a collab (outside of Roach and Mingus playing their instruments and all)
>>54812688
You missed Louis Armstrong and Duke Ellington and Bird and Trane and Miles.
>>54813088
Money Jungle might be my favourite trio lineup (Mingus, Roach, Ellington).
>>54815896
Have you heard Bud Powell's Trio recording? In my opinion offers a better performance than Duke on that album, and same side men too.
Roach is such a fucking wonderful drumer.
>>54813154
My lineup is going to look like Kind of Blue, but whatever. Keep in mind I'm trying to put guys who could play together in this group. Here it is:
>Cannonball Adderley (alto)
>Miles Davis (trumpet)
>Jeff Hamilton (drums)
>Michael Brecker (tenor)
I'm not sure Michael could play with these guys and I don't think these guys would play with Michael.
>John Coltrane (tenor)
>Herbie Hancock (piano)
>Sarah Vaughn (vocals)
>Paul Chambers (bass)
>Milt Jackson (vibes)
Take the vocalist out except on one song. I swear Sarah Vaughn has one of the best solos ever recorded, in general.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y_JgVkqrpA4
>>54815946
I'm actually listening to Somethin' Else and I have to say it seems kinda odd that it's supposedly a Cannonball Adderley record and the one that is playing the melodies is Miles Davis.
So far it seems like a good choice, I just never seen that before.
>>54816212
Miles only plays the melodies on the first two tracks. How can you not give the hippest guy at the time the melody of those two tunes. I can't even imagine them another way.
What are some good moody, rainy-day, possibly transcendental jazz records?
>>54816365
Posted it yesterday.
How are you able to tell apart if a sax is tenor or alto?
>>54816385
Oh, was I there? My bad. Thank you anyway.
>>54813420
Pic related and this
>>54816402
They have completely different ranges and timbres
Whats everyones favorite track from Black Saint and Sinner Lady?
I'm partial to Track C
>>54816582
I know the alto is higher, but to me their timbre sounds the same, I find it harder to tell them apart than any brass instrument.
>>54816365
Elevator To The Gallows is great moody rainy jazz.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n17pd3bVQCQ
thoughts?
>>54816653
Final track of course
>>54813590
That electric line up is too good to ever exist :(
>>54816365
Jackie McLean - Destination Out works really well for me on rainy days. That vibraphone, the trombone, that chilling bass...
>>54817324
How does it compare to the rest of Schlippenbach's work? I heard Plays Monk and it was delightful but haven't bothered with his others yet...
What about your thoughts on it?
Clifford Brown is such a cool guy. Stayed away from drugs, was originally a mathematics major...
Post No Wave Jazz
>>54814880
Mingus Plays Piano is my favorite Mingus album and if you haven't listened to it, you have to right now.
Are there any virtuoso alto saxophonists who were also known to be intelligent and good guys?
>>54818599
Paul Desmond
>>54818599
I think Dolphy was reasonably intelligent and a decent person to be around (didn't do drugs or drink)
>>54818423
well if you're into this kind of dudes I know a pianist that happens to be a concrete engineer, he released several albums
Official jazz for rockists list
1. Sun Ra
2. Peter Brotzmann
3. Pharaoh Sanders
4. Fire Orchestra
5. Albert Ayler
who am I missing?
>>54819688
Late Coltrane and Mingus
>>54819688
>jazz for rockists
Wouldn't that be fusion? I don't see any similarities between free jazz and rock.
>>54814786
Holy shit thank you
>>54819688
Davis's fusion shit after he figured it out. Miles in the Sky. Agharta. Filles de kilimanjaro
>>54819837
>rock guy sees jazz subgenres on wikipedia
>picks the one he can apply non-jazz analysis to
It ends up being fusion for the rock references and free jazz for the cred/"wow I don't get it, so it's good"/heavy factor
I still love free jazz though
>>54819688
Jaco Pastorius
I think you might as well be honest and just get heavy into dope funk if you can't enjoy jazz. Better at parties too. Medeski Martin wood shit. Hendrix has some great shit that has a free feeling similar to jazz. Voodoo Chile.
>>54819837
Yeah you'd think it would be fusion but many rockists tend to think that fusion is too white and not "authentic" enough so they often glorify albums that feature- aggressive playing, pseudo-spirituality, neat costumes, cool album covers, or are in some way inaccessible. Or preferably some combination of these. This explains the popularity of these artists and albums among /mu/'s rock fan base.
>>54819688
Bohren & der Club of Gore
>>54820159
Is "Rainy Day, Dream Away" the perfect rainy day song? It always immediately plays in my mind when I'm walking to class in the rain
>>54819688
Herbie Hancock (late works)
Weather Report
Wes Montgomery
What's some essential Mingus?
Trying to remember the name of a jazz/nu-jazz group
Pretty sure they were german, used flutes a lot.
One of their albumn covers was a black/white city with a river running through it, pretty sure either the river or the buildings were yellow
pic related, please help.
>>54820440
>Herbie Hancock (late works)
You mid-period Hancock? His later stuff is his hip-hop type shit like Future Shock.
>>54813467
definitely check out Charles Mingus Presents Charles Mingus. First chordless quartet I'd heard, keep coming back to it.
>>54816665
I have trouble with this too. I know that alto saxes can be a little bit breathier but I still can't always tell them apart.
>>54821153
Well his mid period stuff would appeal too, I guess you went a bit too late on the late side
>>54821666
Listen to a bunch of albums where the only sax is alto then a bunch where the only sax is tenor then listen to some that have both and see if you can tell them apart.
Which do you prefer: soprano, alto, tenor, or baritone saxophone?
>inb4 le any other kind of saxophone meme
>>54822363
tenor > soprano > tenor > baritone
>>54822395
Tenor = alto /power gap/ soprano > bari
>>54822363
I love baritone but never heard it on a jazz record (Joe McPhee plays baritone?)
So tenor for the most part. Usually find alto too hysterical but when they know how to play it it's blissful (Trane and Jackie McLean know it)
>>54819688
Just rename this list to "popular jazz artists after 1950" because this + all the replies fit into that category.
>>54822490
This works because rockists are ignorant to any jazz that doesn't immediately sound challenging or weird.
>>54819688
why do we need this elitism? jazz is about accepting people and loving music. you shouldn't care if someone's taste is different to yours.
keep the elitism out of jazz
>>54822490
that's like saying I could just rename it "names of musicians" because all the replies fit into that category too
>>54822504
Mingus and Davis are less challenging than early dixieland tbh lad.
>>54822532
We don't "need" it. It's just fun. Especially when the truth makes people angry.
>>54822573
I always found early dixieland really pleasant to listen to. Something about it is just really joyous and full of life.
>>54822598
it's only fun to you. you're seriously acting like a little kid.
>>54822570
Hey, true. That fits perfectly, too, just like the other example.
>>54822573
>the entire outputs of two extremely prolific artists are less challenging than an entire genre
>>54822616
Oh shit don't tell on me dude
>>54822616
did he hurt your feelings?
>>54822703
no but he goes against the spirit of the music he likes which is fucking retarded.
>HURR DURR LEZ MAK FUN OF PIPEL DAT LEIK MOOSIK I DON LAIK!! XDD
just be happy people listen to jazz instead of kanye west or something
Wow, jazzthreadguy, I know you don't like free jazz and you occasionally drop trip to insult people, but this just isn't nice. I thought we talked about this before?
>>54822532
This community could use a little elitism. Maybe then we can move past having jazz threads that consist almost entirely of posting the same 30 album covers with a post that says something along the lines of "this is good" or "this is shit" and nothing else
>>54822767
yea let's do that and then no one would want to listen to jazz anymore and the 3 knowledgable people about jazz here will have their own personal threads! good idea.
>>54822748
lol now who's acting like a child. point out to me again where anybody said those artists were bad or even that they didn't like them. that post was just pointing out that those artists tend to be the favorites of rock fans who want to get into jazz. Frankly I'm confused why that upsets you so much or why it'd be considered elitism.
>>54822819
quantity over quality eh?
>>54822830
if you seriously don't see what's elitist about saying stuff like "those artists are only liked by rockists!!" then i don't know what to say
>>54822855
you clearly never participated in those threads
>>54822869
Well once again you'll have to point out to me where anybody said "those artists are only liked by rockists"
I'm sorry if it hurt your feelings to know that rock fans like the same jazz as you. Once again I'll point out that I don't see anywhere in the thread where anybody's saying that those artists are bad or that it's impossible that they could be liked by people other than rock fans.
>>54822869
>only
Nice reading comprehension.
>>54822972
>>54822994
doesn't matter. that post was tasteless and irrelevant and has no place in the world of jazz and music in general.
>>54822972
you're kinda doing that thing where you kick someone's feet out from under them is all
>>54823043
>that post has no place in the world of jazz and music in general.
I want you to think about what you just said. I want you to read it and really take in how much of a bell end you are. I know this is hard so you might want to think about what somebody else would be thinking reading it.
>>54823097
I fucking hate people like you so much
just fucking accept that you made a shitty tastless nad irrelevant post and shut the fuck up.
>>54823126
I'm not that guy hun. From an outsiders point of view though, you sound either underage, drunk, immensely upset or retarded. Also, stop being so Goddamn sensitive. You're on 4chan.
>>54823069
>>54823043
I thought it was a somewhat amusing observation about the tastes of some of /mu/'s jazz fans. I'm sorry if you didn't find it amusing but I thought I'd post it in case any others did.
Check this out though... The next time somebody posts something dumb that makes you mad- instead of replying angrily and exaggerating what was originally said to have something to justify your anger- try just scrolling past the comment and thinking about something else. It's way easier.
>>54823156
well i'm kind of drunk and it's 3:00 am but i always get mad at stupid people like him
and /jazz/ was always a good accepting community where people's were appreciated and good discussion was the norm. guess that changed.
>somebody on the internet said that rockists enjoy the same artists that I enjoy
Not on my watch
>>54823156
See you know >>54823177 is the actual guy because he's acting like a condescending asshole. I mean that in the best way possible though.
>>54823212
what discussion did you contribute to the thread?
>>54823212
Nah man. Everyone always thought that Brotzmann tier jazz was shit and the taste of the collective was always pretty conservative (relatively speaking). If you talk about Chris Potter, Woody Shaw or Wayne Shorter they're excepting.
>>54823248
i just arrived and got mad so nothing
what do you want to talk about?
>>54822755
Ignoring me, huh?
>>54823260
My tatse is also relatively conservative and i don't like brotzmann at all but people did weren't elitist about it at least. they just ignored it and talked abnout whatever
>>54823262
I don't know. What have you listened to recently? What did you like or dislike about it?
>>54823177
It's not that the original comment was bad. It -was- kind of amusing and I even think it's an astute observation. It's just the way you handled the response to it that was a little uncouth.
See, if you really believed what you've said in this post I'm quoting, you wouldn't even have responded in the first place. I would assume that you are the kind of person that is perceptive and this sometimes gets you in hot water with people, but that you don't know how to handle their emotions, so you brush it off. There's this thing that really bitchy but clever high school girls do where they make a technically benign comment that's undercut with sarcasm, so they can hurt another girl's feelings while staying out of trouble -- like telling a morbidly obese girl she should try out for the cheerleading squad. I don't think this kind of thing was your intent, but the effect is the same.
tldr what you're saying and what you're doing to perpetuate the conversation are in conflict.
>>54823305
been listening to a lot of ray brown recordings. he's just the greatest bass player ever imo. so smooth, swingy, knows when to "show off" and when to just do his small part. He plays very simple but for some reason it's just perfect. don't dislike anything about him, as for the recordings I heard, (mostly oscar peterson stuff), though groovie as fuck there's no denying that it's not really bringing anything new to table or something very intriguing. but it's still amazing.
how bout u?
Why is Dixieland so awesome?
Share your favorite songs!
Here's mine
>Jabbo Smith - Jazz Battle (1929)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VPnk26r-V0s
It's a fucking masterpiece!
Also, the first single of The Original Dixieland Jazz Band is awesome too
>>54823409
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K6sMzB1O3co
so happy and groovie
>tfw you'll never be an aristocrat white american discovering jazz for the first time
>>54823313
You're fairly astute yourself. I feel like that scene from The Wire where the FBI reads their psychoanalysis of the strangler and they perfectly describe McNulty. And of course you're right. I should have followed my own advice and just never responded. I guess the difference to me is that I was never mad and I felt like that other poster's anger was misguided because they interpreted that original post incorrectly.
I've always been good at getting under people's skin if I want to with well-timed biting sarcasm. Maybe it's good for me to get that out of my system on the internet instead of real life.
>>54819688
>rockists
There's that word again.
I don't think you know what it means.
>>54823409
Not dixieland, but gypsy jazz is probably right up your alley.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hq0tPjdfHME
>>54823391
Yeah I agree. I love Ray Brown and he's definitely up there with the greatest bassists ever. It is interesting how he picked a style and petty much stuck with that fairly conservative style for most of his career. I guess he knew what he did well and you can tell the band is having fun playing on most everything he plays on.
I guess that brings up the question of whether you think something has to be new and innovative to be great or whether you can achieve greatness just by mastering an already established style.
>>54823449
Being intelligent and perceptive is a curse because a lot of times you just want to bounce your thoughts off your peers and you end up ruffling feathers, when really you're just trying to incite laughter or make people think in a new way.
>>54823511
I think that Ray Brown did bring some new elements though. Like how he would get very "free" with his playing sometimes and not just walk it but he'll play some lines that compliments the soloist. He didn't do it as much as scott lafarro, but he still did it.
I don't think that you HAVE to bring something new or innovative to be great. What's important is to know what you like, and have a personal style so that you'll be able to express yourself properly.
this might grow into an interesting conversation but i gotta go to bed now so good night anon.
>>54823508
Django is a legend.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WD3GWEdobHA
>>54823508
Awesome. Yeah, definitely my alley, but can't top Jabbo Smith so far.
>>54823679
Just look for a lot of dixieland stuff and maybe listen to some Louis Armstrong. Then you can start progressing through jazz further. Bebop will probably blow your mind.
>>54823724
Louis Armstrong is cool, but very subtle. I prefer the more polyphonic bands.
The Original Jazz Band's first single is awesome, for example. I love their noisy improvs mixed with this particular joyus Dixieland feeling.
Any Bebop I should check out now?
Oh, and what Django album should I listen to first?
>>54823836
>album
Okay, NEVER ask that kind of question for an artist that was around before the album era (late 50s - early 60s). If you are interested in old music, listen to compilations.
>>54823926
I know, I just use album as a synonym for recording. Even then, a compilation is an album.
>>54823977
*sigh*
>>54823836
>Oh, and what Django album should I listen to first?
Django wasn't really an album artist, if you know what I mean. It's better to look for a giant collection of stuff he did. 'The Classic Early Recordings in Chronological Order' is the collection I'd recommend. You could probably find it somewhat easily for free online, and if you buy music it's less than 30 dollars. You get pretty much everything notable that he did in chronological order. Huge collections like these are the best ways to get into artists who recorded in that time period.
>Any Bebop I should check out now?
If you haven't already, look for some Charlie Parker recordings. I found a download of the Complete Savoy and Dial Studio Recordings that's served me well, but you should be able to track down some good collections if you do a bit of research. Here's a taste of him: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1MCGweQ8Oso. His soloing is absolutely mind shattering, especially if you're a sax player like myself. Also check out Bud Powell, perhaps the most well known bebop pianist- The Amazing Bud Powell is a great recording to check out by him, it's one of my all time favorites. Here's a standout tune from that: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PVNtHCnPUZw.
You might also be a fan of some of the 'chordless' jazz groups- they take away the piano, and as a result have a certain primitive energy to them. Here's a pretty big variety of what you can get from those:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_4t1g2esXbU
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HrBgusFgE1Q
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DNbD1JIH344
I have a feeling you'd also be a big fan of Eric Dolphy- but I'd almost recommend waiting a bit before you get into the stranger sounding jazz artists. A good fundamental knowledge of the genres roots and pivotal players will go a long way and enhance your appreciation of the people that deconstructed those influences and/or brought them back in full swing later on. A
>>54813161
Why didn't you include the Bill Evans/ Cannonball/ Jimmy Cobb lineup?
>>54823926
Why is the frog holding a gun?
>>54824066
Thanks for the good post!
>Django wasn't really an album artist
I know, I just use album as a synonym for recording. Even then, a compilation is an album (usually).
I have already heard some Parker, but that was like a year ago.
I really like Saxs c:
Now, the "chordless" thing seems more interesting, will listen to those ASAP.
Eric Dolphy is cool, but haven't enjoyed his stuff on a very intense level yet.
My favorite Jazz Albums are Duke Ellington's At Newport, and Charles Mingus' The Clown. Both first tracks are awesome because of the brass sections and this very upbeat/energetic feel. Still, I don't get enjoyment from jazz soloing with some very specific exceptions.
more like andrew hill - black fire?
rly into intense, fiery jazz. also albert ayler and ornette coleman.
>>54824570
I also like that kind of jazz. Do you have a sample of that album?
>>54824617
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WUyfcnOCIOk&list=PLB59DDD288D18D934&index=1
have you heard free for all - art blakey? absolute insanity
>>54824773
Sounds cool so far.
>have you heard free for all - art blakey?
Nope. DLing now.
Since this is a jazz thread, I'm going to assume that you guys are familiar with the proper sounds of saxophones. I'm a young guy who hasn't been playing the tenor too long- started on alto and switched when I realized that I liked the range and texture of the tenor better. I just want to hear what you guys have to say about my tone and stuff. This is just me improvising a bunch of random shit to give you a good feel for how I play. Thanks for any help.
http://vocaroo.com/i/s1PvUfhAJuq1
>>54824617
Meditations by Coltrane
>this whole thread
>no mention of the man who is basically the face of brazilian jazz
What do you think of Antonio Carlos 'Da God' Jobim?
>>54825569
I FUCKING LOVE STONE FLOWER
>>54825569
Someone recommended him to me saying he was one of his favorite artists. Will listen to him now.
>>54825640
listen to Stone Flower or Wave
>>54825671
He said Matita Pere was his best, and that's what I'm listening to now. Sounds lovely.
>>54825161
bump
It's nice to have jazz threads that actually live
>>54826571
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>>54827688
nobody had ever played a C minor chord before
>>54827772
lol
>>54823508
>tfw I have four working fretting fingers and I'll never play this fast
At least listening is good enough in my eyes
I think Im more of a soft jazz/bop guy
any more stuff like this?
>>54828586
only everything by the first Miles quintet
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>>54824519
Dixieland is the best
If you want more polyphonic Louis, listen to his early stuff. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5MvPqqmQ1Ss
I'm more of an old Pres' Hall guy myself
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hXvgY9Sdiz4
there are some good modern acts too
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GwSc578uM9c
I wish this would come back. Sans fedoras
>literally worshipping niggers
