Disregard experimental/backpacker hip hop, given the content on these albums I've come to the conclusion that these are the most defining albums about the struggle for african americans. What would be a good fit for the 2000s?
The Marshall Mathers LP
that one eminem album everyone likes
or that one 50cent album everyone hates
>>54397622
>the most defining album about the struggle for african americans
Gonna throw in a few
Madvillainy / College Dropout
>>54397577
Choosing the album of the decade before the decade is up seems like a wise move
>80s
>not PB
dropped
>>54397651
>>54397670
nothing will top it
>>54397577
best "conscious" rap of the 90s is clearly Goodie Mob.
how is it not?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IspUmlnn5oE
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-g5-KOXfHms
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZilRKqtksVI
>picking anything other than this
Get Rich or Die Tryin'
>>54397651
>>54397708
>>54397577
>80s
pauls boutique
>90s
enter the wu tang
>00s
madvillainy
>10s
that ship sailed a while ago chief
>>54397577
duh
>>54397680
>the most defining album about the struggle for african americans
get the fuck outta here with that wigger shit
>>54397717
because it's not as influential as illmatic
>>54397723
>album about a comic book character
>defining album about the struggle for african americans
The College Dropout
>>54397737
probably this
>>54397651
>>54397708
>>54397745
>>54397723
that's a niche album, hardly anyone know what the fuck that even is.
![bd028[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/kD8iEge.jpg "bd028[1].jpg")
>>54397577
But the 00s were the decade of the backpacker.
I nominate cLOUDDEAD.
>>54397650
In a meta way, it is because he reached a level of commercial success a black hip hop artist never could.
>>54397577
go back to reddit, cuck
>>54397759
even if this came out in the 2000s (which it didnt you autist) it wouldnt even be in the top 20 hip hop albums that define the struggle for african americans simply because its all about kanye and what effect fame has on him
also the fact that it hasnt influenced a single hip hop album that came out after it
Be - Common
>>54397708
this is actually the correct answer
not that its the best it just defined the music of that decade. Defined being the important word
The Carter III could also be the defining album but I think GRoDT had more of an impact.
>>54397809
>eminem
>mbdtf
>telling people to go back to reddit
what the fuck am i reading
>>54397826
so far the only viable suggestion in the thread
But Illmatic is boring as shit
stankonia
also replace illmatic with the low end theory
>>54397759
>>54397777
Sorry I meant to post this, trips confirm
>>54397815
Big sean just dropped an album called "Dark Sky Paradise"
didn't influence anything huh
>>54397854
>shit white people who've never listened to rap made before 2010 say
>>54397853
dont you have homework to do
>>54397883
sorry let me rephrase
didnt influence anything that turned out to be good
>>54397906
>coming from a guy who thinks eminem is good
i
ronic
>>54397777
oh i am checkin
>>54397892
>shit white people who've never listened to rap made before 2010 say
>shit white people who've never listened to de la soul say
>>54397988
ive listened to de la soul more than you have though
>>54397958
>mmlp was bad
ok cuck
Backpacker hip hop as you call it is the only REAL music defining the struggle for African Americans
What you posted is a bunch of people who used the struggle to get rich but never did anything to change it other than Public Enemy, and they didn't even do much
My votes would go towards:
Deltron 3030 - Deltron 3030
Ghostface Killah - Supreme Clientele
>>54398064
>BITCH IMMA KILL YOU
:DDDD
its the kind of album that white high school kids who get picked on put on and relate to. not that theres anything wrong with that, but the albums in the OP are all much more ambitious and mature.
>MBDTF isn't the 10s photo
>>54398156
edgy, >>>/r/music
>>54398148
Nevermind, didn't even read the OP. But those are my votes for 'best' at least.
>>54397815
that album was the climax of a two-year-long national cultural event that started with the Taylor Swift controversy and ended with one of the most critically acclaimed albums of our generation. For years everyone was either talking about that album or talking about the events that led up to it. The only reason MBDTF isn't super influential is because no one aside from Kanye had the resources and craziness to replicate it.
If we're going by influence, 808s & Heartbreak is probably the most important hip-hop album of this current generation of hip-hop
for real tho. dead prez is way underrated.
>>54398185
Dude, get off his dick. It really wasn't that important/great
>>54398163
rightfully so
>>54398178
see pic related
>>54398156
>MMLP
>Not ambitious
It's the stealthiest conscious hip hop album of all time.
>>54398185
i hope you realize that in the grand scheme of things no one is going to give a shit about that taylor swift controversy and its influence on the album. it will not stand the test of time
>>54398216
and TPAB is somehow more important despite being nothing more than a well-executed throwback album that dropped two days ago?
>>54398043
doubt it
>>54398148
Deltron is a defining album about the struggle of African Americans in the 3030's.
>>54397577
Get Rich or Die Tryin'
Straight Outta Compton
36 Chambers
>listening to 00s rap
>listening to 10s rap
LMAO
00's are either Madvillainy or The Marshall Mathers LP.
>>54397577
I would go fear of a black planet for the 90s
I prefer Ready To Die over Illmatic
>>54397680
one of the main reasons people praise pb because of how forward thinking the sampling and beats were and how it was influential to a lot of 90's production. it definitely doesn't represent what people talk about when they describe something as having "an 80's sound", so i don't think it can be the "definitive" record from that era
marshall mathers lp or carter III
>>54398424
Backpacker and stupid, may god damn your entire family
>>54398424
MMLP without a doubt. The career-making and fan-consensus best album from the most popular rapper ever? It's a sure bet. And I find it hard to believe MBDTF is gonna get dethroned this decade. It's too grand, too bold, too all-encompassing and lauded. Lamar's newest challenges the throne but it's not going to knock it off the top. It doesn't look forward enough, sonically. Dark Fantasy raised the bar for what grandiose really means in the context of Hip-Hop.
>>54398394
its one of those people WOO
go listen to fucking krs one or something at a fucknig barbershop faggot
suck a big gigaNTIC fuckigne old black dude dick u fucking fake faggot godDAMn i hate people like u
fucking FAGOT
THE MOTHERFUCKING BLUEPRINT!
>>54397650
>>the most defining album about the struggle for african americans
i wanna repost this quote because i think people think this is a thread where we find definitive albums in a genre when it's apparently not
also because "most defining album about the struggle for african americans" is a pretty dumb and funny phrase
>>54398559
I agree. I do prefer gkmc over MBDTF, but I think Kanye's take is more progressive and will influence a lot more than what Kendrick puts out.
>>54397577
This whole debacle is pretty ridiculous. r/hiphopheads is writing dissertations on the meaning of this album, Fantano gives it a 10, and here we are claiming it's the definitive hip-hop album of the 2010s. It's only been two days yet people are singing its praises like it's the revelation of the gospel.
This is indicative of one of two things.
>One
Hip-hop fans care too much about getting on a hype train than they do about actually listening to music. Two days is not long enough to talk about its place in hip-hop and how definitive it is for 2015. It seems as though they care more about the social capital of liking TPAB than they do the actual album.
>Two
If you'll let me put on a Scarufi cap, it just shows how hip-hop shouldn't be taken seriously as music. If we can accurately say this a revolutionary, genre-defining album within two days of release, it's so accessible that it'll never be taken seriously as music. It's easily digestible, pop music that doesn't make you think.
Hell, I even like this album. Let's just not explode in orgasmic fury and act like it's the Second Coming of Christ.
>>54397708
Yeah it was probably this
Take it from me I've actually been listening to hip hop the past 15 years unlike most people here
>>54398679
>If you'll let me put on a Scarufi cap, it just shows how hip-hop shouldn't be taken seriously as music. If we can accurately say this a revolutionary, genre-defining album within two days of release, it's so accessible that it'll never be taken seriously as music. It's easily digestible, pop music that doesn't make you think.
I agree, although I think your point relates more to the immediacy of everything in a post-internet society than it does to necessarily Hip-Hop. Mass media and being allowed "everything all the time" has turned everything in our culture to naught but a blur in a whirlwind of here-today gone-tomorrow media.
>>54398679
>it's so accessible that it'll never be taken seriously as music
do you really think that's how music is actually regarded by people generally? like music historians actually think to themselves "this is moderately easy to listen to and melodic and thus i can't take it seriously as music"
>It's easily digestible, pop music that doesn't make you think.
oh you're kidding around LMAOOO!!
>>54397809
MBDTF pales so badly in comparison to those other albums
![61D+e9T06qL[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/vBrq1Zl.jpg "61D+e9T06qL[1].jpg")
key word struggle
>>54397737
honestly this isn't that consistent an album. Yeah, there are like 5 perfect tracks but there are parts that are just tired as fuck in comparison
>>54398679
Very true, it's just that despite hype trains are usually two sided between people/critics who like it and others that don't. This is just a split between people over "white guilt" and race issues. People who supposedly "get it" (regardless of race) believe it's a classic since it isn't the mainstream album that K.Dot could have made and instead it is Kendrick on his soapbox talking about these issues on an album with a structure similar to hip-hop classics. It has:
-Jazz-rap beats
-Lyricism
-Controversial race issues
-A somewhat popular artist but with a lack of mainstream appeal (how many actual classics do your normie friends know well?) despite it's predicted sales and success.
Essentially, it's lined up to be a classic, but people are still jumping the gun.
>>54397804
but dre is worth like $2billion
>>54398760
>the immediacy of everything in a post-internet society
I think that's a good way to put it. Seriously, leave it 'til 2019 until we start talking about Albums of the Decade and whether or not this had a big impact. It's too soon. Let it breathe.
>>54398822
>oh you're kidding around LMAOOO!!
I'm not saying that's what I believe, but I am saying that if we can say with complete accuracy that this is a defining album of 2015, then it's far too easily digestible in a musical sense. It doesn't challenge any musical barriers. His message of course may be very challenging (especially for white people) but we're not reading a political essay, we're listening to an album. Musical qualities are important--more important than any sort of message you could add to the music.
>>54397789
only people new to hip hop listen to backpacker shit
also no one in this thread is posting albums that define the struggle of african americans in the 00s
>>54398679
Take the Scarufi cap off, because that it some stupid shit anon... Just cause shit hip hop is more digestible than an album of hipster /mu/ bullshit.
>>54399054
>Implying I like aimless, imprudent hipster /mu/ bullshit
>>54397763
>get the fuck outta here with that wigger shit
>denying the influence and brilliance of the Beastie Boys
They're fucking iconic you filthy plebian
2000s is objectively either GRODT or College Dropout
>>54398867
Its better than MMLP
>>54397577
prolly late registration or stankonia
Black on Both Sides seems like the best choice all round
No one will ever admit this but Tha Carter 3 encapsulated the zeitgeist of the 00s perfectly.
>>54400335
Also, you now realize Tha Carter III was released the same year that Obama was elected president.
>>54397777
>yfw quads
>yfw we major
This is the only answer.
>>54397853
they hate kanye on reddit though.
>>54400248
>1999
