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hey fellow wannabe producers!
what's your opinion on reveal sound spire (pic related)?
whats your favorite plugin/soft synth?
My top 3:
IL Harmor
Massive
mda JX10
>not using a powerhouse like zynaddsubfx
>so many more features than propiterary synths
>actually realizes it's on a fucking computer and uses more than one window and not slap a shit ton of knobs everywhere on a single window
>open source
seriously why are all these producers so pleb and want to pay so much money for inferior synths?
>>49617271
I love using Massive and Anatares! definitely alot to choose from and to create your own
https://soundcloud.com/tonytintheplace/tonytintheplace-old-saying
>>49617594
I think the synths isn't really the pricing but:
>the programing
>the ways you can twist it
>the originality
But I still agree though
>features out the ass
>low cpu usage
It's great.
>>49617629
it has so many features it does everything that a lot of producers I know use 5 different types of synths to do while zyn can additive, subtractive, fm, vowel filters, shit like that.
>>49617674
Yeah. Like I only use those synths that can be versatile
I even used a lot of different ones on this beat and went from there
https://soundcloud.com/tonytintheplace/tonytintheplace-old-saying
>>49617712
alright man pretty cool beat man I gave you some feedback on it. what synths you used on that btw?
>>49617594
I fucking hate it when shit has more than one page of controls. I feel like that might be different if I were really really into sound design but when that shit is too complicated and my only option is to stop everything else to work on a sound, it's like "ugh" and don't even get me started on what a bitch it is to start expressing the sound with automation.
I'm a really lazy sound designer. I mostly use Synth1 and Romplers.
>>49617919
I used
> Massive
> Anatares
the rest is either sampled or orignal messing thanks again!
Nightly Water cycle is nice with the rotary!
I mainly use Bazille (fm-synth) with the Eventide Ultrachannel (it was free a few months ago). Sometimes i use some free Glitchmachines plugins which are pretty cool.
Does anybody here use MAX/MSP? I'm really on the fence about it since it's 20% off. My main conceirn is that it's so vast and flexible that i will never get things done. Which was the problem i had when i still used a modular system.
>tl;dr can you actually finish projects with max or do you just use it to experiment and play around?
>>49618100
https://soundcloud.com/tonytintheplace/tonytintheplace-old-saying
I haven't used those but I've used the glitch! alot. Check some videos out! and for it being so big I think you should just work in sections!
u-he ACE
zebra2
>>49618149
Zebra is nice too! I rarely use it though
https://soundcloud.com/tonytintheplace/tonytintheplace-old-saying
do you know of a good physical modelling synth? like not just for mallet kinda stuff but all kind of crazy stuff
pg-8x
my go to synth
do people actually pay for VSTs?
Also, I need a sampler (for mac) that's simple to use. Any suggestions?
>>49618252
I dont know many unless it's by Native Instruments. Why is that??
https://soundcloud.com/tonytintheplace/tracks
>>49618390
built in abelton one or kontakt
My top 1:
Reaktor
>>49618390
I don't think anybody does until they get audited
Lil Flip got sued so bad..and many others. Just have that license in your name!
https://soundcloud.com/tonytintheplace
tony please get the fuck out of the place
>>49618428
>>49618402
stop that self advertising please once is enough
>>49618390
I would also like to say that you NEED to make the sound YOUR OWN! always! so people would:
>wonder how you did it
>and be jealous(lol)
Be creative with it
https://soundcloud.com/tonytintheplace
>>49618428
I actually do pay for some stuff when I really use it a lot, it makes me feel better and it also makes me use, appreciate and learn that software even more cause I paid for it
>>49618252
bumpy
already have NI prism
>>49618452
apologies! im sorry
no more of that
It's just hard to get out there in a town like mine
>>49618530
yeah I know. but if you spam it, people will click on your link even less
>>49618451
apologies I wont do it again! It's just hard out there. Im sorry man
>>49618474
Stop spamming your fucking link, I know I'm not going to listen now, and I know what I'll think if I see that name again
>>49617976
yeah well one thing I didn't consider when talking about Zyn is that the documentation is pretty poor, there's not enough tutorials on it. So I guess I can understand others shying away from it.
I had to learn really just from fucking about. It was worth it though, learned a lot about synthesis in general and made synths like Massive or Synth1 look like easy shit.
>>49618564
you're right! forgiveness?
>>49618611
thou art forgiven
>>49618581
already addressed. and it's fine if you don't. I wont mind.
Peace brother
>>49618040
>Anatares
actually never heard of that one so might check that out. thanks for the feedback as well.
>>49618626
wonderful!
>>49618530
keep it in a soundcloud/bandcamp thread bruh
>>49618100
i used it for a while - the main thing max/msp has going for it are the extensive help files tbh. i made a little shitty automatic glitchy drum sequencer with it
i'm not sure it's worth the price point. get the free trial maybe and see if something comes to you. but i'm just going to use supercollider for the rare times when i need to do something that precise
one of my secret weapons audio damage's Replicant
it's got some really cool delay effects and when you figure out how to use it to your advantage it's da bomb
other than that i pretty much use all native plug ins
>>49618252
>mallet kinda stuf
AAS Chromaphone is probably your best bet. There aren't really that many physical modelling synths.
>>49618675
Anatares have some crazy good presets. it also does a sample play. kinda like playing some chords for you so you can see how it rolls!
and anytime! thanks for the network! sorry about annoying people with my link!
>>49618721
thank you but I am explicitly looking for a synth that does physical modelling other than mallet stuff. I already got NI prism which does a pretty good job at that
>>49618757
isn't there a physical modeling synth in reaktor?
>>49618690
Right. Ill still give my opinion on VST though. No more links unless requested!
I think everyone should invest in the Glitch 2!
>Sylenth1
>Massive
>fm8
Just got spire today, haven't really tried it out yet
>>49618797
yes, thats native instruments prism. But it's not quite what I'm looking for. I'd like something where you can select like a whole lot of different materials
>>49618810
Please tell me how that works out! seriously
>get ableton 8
>learn it up and down
>upgrade to 9
>get komplete 9
>still end up using Operator for 75% of synth/drum sounds.
>>49618890
>buy komplete 9 over a month ago
>still in box
>>49618428
Wait how can they even find out its not in your name? By sending stuff to a mixing/mastering engineer I'm guessing?
Can anyone explain me about how important is plugins? I mean what they do different then ableton/reason/cubase?
>>49618929
Nothing if you learn how to use the defaults properly.
>>49618919
I've messed with almost everything in the box now, but unless I need sample libraries the only synth in there I use much is Absynth. It's cool, but the interface is absolutely fucked.
>>49618757
I feel you. I haven't even installed Kontakt ever since I built my new PC.
Im sorry I kept telling everyone the wrong plugin!
It's Sonic Academy ANA. not Antares
I apologies. even though they make great vocal plugins. apologies
>>49618890
Exactly
>>49618919
dude...
>>49618929
It's important because it really helps step outside of your box. But It's good to learn how to make your own sounds using those software
no links lol
>>49618235
I use zebra all the time when I'm going for an oldschool/electrofolk feel
I guess the same could be said of ACE but I usually tweak it until its quite psychedelic
>Make really neat song
>Next 4-5 songs don't live up to it at all
Is it only me?
>>49619048
I can understand that for sure!
In ableton I use operator for alot but with sounds from plugins I just mess and tweak it with delays or certain glitches
>>49619092
its everyone unless you're in a groove. do you take breaks at all? I usually play a game then get back to it. trying to be versatile
>>49619148
I usually get in this weird mood that makes me wanna make music for a few weeks, like 3-4 and I make 4-5 songs and one of them always stands out compared ot the others. Then I get bored and stop for a week or two.
I usually make songs in under 3 days technically, then I go back and touch em up and maybe add something here and there then
mix/master them and I'm done.
>>49618890
You use Operator for drums?
>>49619092
No, it's just that most successful artists don't release everything that they make.
>>49619190
yes. yes i do. it's not that different than a synth in a drum machine, unless you're trying to make claps, which is more work than it's worth.
>>49619190
>he doesn't know electronic music drum sounds are made with synthesisers
>>49619182
I got like 3 projects underway and i go through the same process. I asked a girl that was on Flying Lotus album for advice and she just said to keep at it. EVEN when you don't feel like it. keep pushing it!
I try to do so. just never overwhelm yourself
>>49619233
I got three too what the fuck negro
>>49619232
Yes, usually ones made specifically to make percussive sounds.
>>49619225
I downloaded Lex Luger Drum kit for alot of my drums, claps, etc.
>good stuff
>>49619190
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F-cBLCOSVJ8
really no one here using physical modelling synthesis? :(
>>49619262
HAHAHA Sorry fam. I annoy you with links and now with my projects.
> I have one where It's all samples
> I have one that's all original instrumentation and some vox
> and I have one that is just pure hip hop at its finest
>>49619265
by the way, what are good drum synths?
>>49619297
I use Tension and Collision in Ableton quite a lot. Mostly just the presets which I tweak, especially Tension as it's an extremely difficult synth to tame.
>>49619265
It's pretty trivial to recreate a drum machine like the 808 in a a standard subtractive synthesiser, you'd be surprised. You don't need a special synthesiser to do that. Ableton actually supplies an 808 knockoff that's just a drum rack where each pad is connected to an Operator instance.
>>49619340
anything with a variety of noise sources, filters, fm, and really tight envelopes. even better if it can do linear and exponential envelope shapes.
>>49619377
The 808 kick isn't FM or subtractive. It uses a circuit called a bridged-t network. It's a special oscillator that makes noise when it is excited by a trigger, and responds dynamically to bigger triggers. The decay time is controlled by a feedback loop. It also goes slightly flat at long decay settings.
That's why they're a bitch to emulate.
>>49619474
What do you have man? A
>Ableton?
>Reason?
>FL?
>...Logic??
Does anyone know any good 70's-analog sounding plugins? Like for funk music and the such?
>>49619591
L-Logic Pro X
>>49619614
niggers
>>49619591
I run ableton. It has everything you need for sound generation. The only really weak link is the reverb, and M4L solves that issue with a convolution plug-in. People say that the sounds and effects are weak, but that is because they are meant to be layered and stacked in racks.
>>49619614
Arp oddy plugins are good for leads. Idk what can capture Minimoog bass well though. Most Minimoog plugins I've used only have panels that look like a Minimoog
>>49619654
Oh ok nevermind then
>>49619659
I use Ableton as well! and yes you're exactly right
I started out with FL though. but who didn't lol
>>49619614
use a sampler.
>>49619795
I think he said 70s funk, not generic beats by white guys in the 2010s
>>49619838
I'm not sure what you're implying, but most retro synth emulations don't sound that accurate. IMHO you either need to buy the real gear or sample it.
>>49619838
HAHAHA
>>49619913
A VA is going to sound miles better than a sample.
>>49620106
A va isn't going to sound like 70s analog hardware. Most of the best emulations use multiple samples.
Synths:
>Sylenth1
>Massive
>Harmor
>Z3ta+
>some weird little plugins I've downloaded somewhere
Samplers/Romplers:
>Kontakt 5 with some pretty basic libraries
>Philharmonik
>Nexus just to be able to open older projects
Effects:
>Fabfilter pro-q
>Ohmicide
>Ozone 4
These are the ones I use most commonly anyway.
https://soundcloud.com/so-i-thought
>>49620155
I don't think an amatuer using a sampler is going to equate professionals making multi samples and releasing a plugin based off if those sounds.
Also, you have yet to name any 70s synth sounding sample banks.
>>49620281
>Also, you have yet to name any 70s synth sounding sample banks.
Retro Synths
Omnisphere
You have yet to even answer anon's question. The point I'm getting at is that there's no shortcut for authentic retro sound. I love digital and softsynths, but I don't use them to imitate vintage things.
whats a good synth to make some progressive house think random album title, adam k, bt. dudes like that
>>49620369
I already did. You're too thick to notice, you'd rather just argue with strangers
>>49620507
Really almost any synthesizer.
From up up in the thread, ZynAddSubFX is super-powerful and free.
From my own experience, Tyrell and Synth1 are also powerful but much easier to use.
It takes time to get the most out of your tools tho so pay attention to what you're doing, what you're doing wrong, and what your heroes are doing right.
>>49620811
zynaddsub looks really confusing
I have synth1 but I neglect it
I think a lot of it has to do with my chords to like I make something then play it back to myself and it sounds so amateur
Any advice on learning operator?
does anyone here use a midi controller want to get my hands on one but don't know which one to get
>>49621345
I use both APC40 and MPK25
>>49621345
Not m audio. Don't bother with 25 keys. If you actually use them, you'll want more than 25
>>49621373
Yeah i have it but i beg for more lol
>>49621373
elaborate on the 25 key thing plz
>>49621364
I was looking for something just with the piano keys
>>49621148
Operator is an FM synth. Look up how to learn any FM synth. There are some really good tutorials out there but I'm much too lazy to go link you one.
>>49621028
Yeah, I don't actually like Zynblablabla either.
Try writing your parts monophonically. Just as an exercise, don't make any one synth do a whole chord. Give each note in the chord to a different synth. Maybe put at least one of the notes in a different octave.
Also, use your I-V! If you don't understand that and use it, you're gonna have a bad time.
>>49621593
25 keys isn't enough for two hands, and you're still pretty limited using one hand. Sure you can make the argument of having octave buttons and using your daw to add notes, but at that point, why bother with a controller.
My point is that, if you're getting a midi controller, you might as well get enough keys to make it worth the money.
>>49621667
Thank you!
>>49621742
61 semi-weighted keys, feels good man
>>49621836
>have JX-10
>76 semi weighted keys with aftertouch
Feels brassy man
>>49621836
Im not the best keys player but I was gonna upgrade to a mpk49. Im still learning
>>49617271
can someone please link me to a Massive plugin for ableton live 9 for mac. plz <3
>>49621913
Oh yeah, aftertouch too. Don't really utilize it that often though.
>>49621667
sorry to sound like a newfag but what is I-V
>>49622043
plz guise <3
>>49617271
FM8 is pretty cool guy. its the only plugin I use and doesn't afraid of anything
>>49622398
I don't understand your question
>>49622487
I've never used plugs so i assume you download a file and use it on your daw. i need a link to that file. i use ableton live 9 for mac
>>49622513
go to pirate bay then search native instruments massive mac
>>49622266
I think he's talking about tonic to dominant harmonies, but that doesn't make much sense either.
Anyone have good luck with making darker sounding stuff with native Ableton stuff?
>>49617594
why pay when you can torrent
Is there any good entry level synths for a person who wants to ease into learning synthesis?
Or should I try a different approach?
>>49622266
>>49623088
I was. It's incredibly helpful to understand that the I chord creates an expectation that you're going to eventually hear a V chord. It's one of the easiest ways to build tension, tease at resolution and then release the tension. It's a formula but it's an almost unavoidable and an extremely powerful one.
>>49617271
hey guys, how do you download plugins? can someone post a video
>>49624080
It's the other way around dingus. The I is stable, you don't expect it to go anywhere. You're going to expect the V or V7 to lead to a I, though it is often more interesting when you don't, leading the listener on.
You should check out theoria.com for some good exercises and basic theory stuffs.
>>49624365
Teoria.com
Goddamn autocorrect
>>49624365
Haha ouch! I've had it the opposite for like the whole time I've been composing. It seems to work tho.
>>49618428
Meanwhile Avicii (that was his nickname?) and a few others have music mag studio videos where you can clearly see they use cracked software (for example there was "licenced for Team AiR" on Nexus). It's not like he couldn't afford it.
>>49626290
>Avicii uses cracked software
Now I feel obliged to pay for my software
>>49618919
>still in box
Then why don't you just go ahead and send it my way?
>tfw can't make songs
>only loops and melodies that never go anywhere
>>49622513
http://www.kvraudio.com/q.php?search=1&q=&os[]=mac64&f1[]=vst&f1[]=au&f1[]=aax&pr[]=f&ob[]=dan&lm[]=500
remove the mac symbol at the top if you have a pc... free plugs for everybody!
i only use logic stock plugins tbh
I use Massive and Harmor the most.
And Nexus.
Where do you guys pirate your VSTs? tpb and pat are shit.
>>49629432
pat = proaudiotorrents? Explain - never tried it, but what's bad about it?
>>49629556
Eh, it's not SHIT, I was just wondering if there were other better sites.
>>49629712
>proaudiotorrents
you have to get invited to this thing?
>>49618571
just put it as your name and nobody will care m8
>>49629432
I'd respond to your question but you sound like an idiot
>>49629905
Yeah, I'd give you one if I had any left.
>>49630348
okay.
>>49628736
1. make a 16 bar loop with at least 5 parts
2. copy paste it a few times
3. add and subtract parts to make the track evolve
this is how most dance music is made (excluding "drop" centric tracks). once you master this then you start experimenting with song structure.
>>49630522
don't forget filter sweeps!
I posted my VSTs the other day
Any good reverb VSTs to recommend? I have been using VahellaRoom,VahellaShimmer, Ambience and epicVerb but was wondering if there's anything good out there I'm missing out on.
I'm trying to buy Komplete 10 in the next couple of weeks. I found a good torrent of Massive but I can't find good ones of any other NI plugins. I mainly want to play around with FM8 and Absynth. There are just so many plugins that I feel like I'm going to be overwhelmed as fuck
>>49631149
Valhalla is pretty much the creme of the crop
