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Discuss Classical Music. Favorite composers of late? What have you been listening to?
Also:
>last classical piece you listened to
>last non-classical song/piece you listened to
New to /classical/? Check the chart or pastebin: http://pastebin.com/SyY53wgT
Why do you always use poly's shorty pastebin instead of those mega links with a fuck ton of classical?
Anyways, we symphony edition now.
Favorite 3 symphonies?
Mine are probably
>Beethoven 8
>Bruckner 8
>Brahms 4
Based Larsson
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JGFyPGGqOfc
>>48725139
>shorty
*shitty
Based auto correct.
>>48725139
Those mega links are dope and should be included in all OPs
>Favorite 3 symphonies?
Probably Martin? 4, Mahler 5 and Martin? 1
Bantock is an awesome composer. Check out his celtic symphony if you haven't.
>>48725139
>Brian 1
>Shostakovich 4 or 10
>Peterson-Berger 5
In b4 tryhard.
>>48725139
>Favorite 3 symphonies?
Mozart 35
Bruckner 7
Ives 4
>>48725035
>last classical piece
Ryuichi Sakamoto - Merry Christmas Mr. Lawrence (If that counts)
>non classical
The Lounge Lizards - Do The Wrong Thing
>>48725139
>Beethoven 9
>Beethoven 8
>Mozart 38
This thread is dildos.
Who's your favorite Russian?
>>48728012
Le Schnittke childish joy face
I still don't feel like I've even scratched the surface with Schnittke.
>>48725613
>Brian 1
Brian?
>>48725139
Beet 3
Bruck 8
Mah 9
>>48728012
Scriabin
>>48728064
>Brian?
Havergal Brian I guess.
>>48728012
Kalinnikov is pretty cool
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k1hxzeX29MU
>>48725139
Beethoven 8
Mozart 40
Beethoven 3
I'm a pleb, I know.
>>48728012
Prokofiev.
>>48728064
It's the "biggest" symphony ever made.
It's pretty good and incorporates a lot of stuff, but it's not as outstanding as other symphonies
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Symphony_No._1_%22The_Gothic%22_%28Brian%29
>>48728248
Yeah I remember hearing about the "Gothic Symphony" Had forgotten the composers name though.
>All this Beethoven
He must have done something right.
>you will never hear Richter do a full cycle of Beethoven's piano sonatas
Why bother with life?
>>48728012
Borordin, Scriabin, Rimsky-Korsakov, and Tchaivkosky
>>48725139
Mendelssohn 5
Schubert 9
Beethoven 3,8 or 9 (can't decide)
>>48728012
Scriabin, Rimsky-Korsakov and Rachmaninoff (le Rachmaninoff face)
>>48728299
>tfw
>>48725139
Ives Symphony No. 2
Yoshimatsu No. 4
Tchaikovsky Symphony No. 6
Why does Sibelius get no love on this board?
His symphonic cycle is probably the greatest since beethoven's.
>>48728012
Rachmaninov
>>48725035
Chopin Prelude No.15 "Raindrop"
Wolfmother -- Pyramid (came on Last.fm)
>>48728424
mfw Mahler
>>48728424
Symphony 7 is great. I also really like Valse Triste.
>>48728444
>mahler
He could've learned a thing or two from sibelius's economy.
>>48728498
>mahler
>economy
>same sentence
Top kek m8
Out of curiosity, what's your favorite Sibelius symphony?
>mfw first time listening to classical music in flac
It should be a crime to listen to it in mp3
>>48728613
Try listening over a good stereo.
>>48728613
>not listening to a real orchestra
Listening to classical on speakers should be a crime
>>48728638
>not just reading the score
Listening to classical should be a crime,
>>48728638
>>48728653
>>48728637
Cancerous posts are cancerous
>>48728653
>not just reading partbooks and reconstruct the score in your head
Pleb these days
what does /classical/ think of Joshua Bell?
>>48728688
>Silent read through master race
muh performers ruining everything with their "interpretations"
>>48728688
>not just reading the diary of the composer, psychoanalyzing his state of mind, and inferring his subsequent composition
>>48728699
I think I don't know who he is
What's a great complete cycle of Prokofiev symphonies please?
>>48728699
Saw him once live doing Tchaikovsky's concerto, thought he was shite
>>48728680
Good post.
>>48728565
As much as I loathe it, his formula of sweltering brass bombast mixed with a half a movement's worth of saccharine string shriek navel gazing seems to have been a hit.
Favorite Sibelius is either 4 or 7 depending on the weather.
I like Frederick Delius, Claude Debussy, Erik Satie, Alexander Scriabin, Charles Griffes, and Maurice Ravel. Recommend me stuff.
>>48728762
>Furtwangler
Niggas with taste
>>48728783
lol.
>>48728737
some guy that owns a Stradivarius
>>48728757
I saw him live, too, a year ago in Nashville
he seemed pretty good to me, maybe not the best, but I also don't get to listen to live recordings that much since they're so expensive
What's your favorite piano concerto? I'm looking for something new and piano is my favorite instrument.
>>48728774
>>48728834
Tchaikovsky 1, Chopin 1
>>48728834
K.459
>>48728747
Listen to Lieutenant Kije and Alexandra Nevsky
>>48728728
2meta
>>48728767
Sibelius is based, I need to listen to more.
>>48728774
Vaughan Williams, Grieg, Janá?ek , Martin?
>>48728774
Schoenberg Verklarte Nacht
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U-pVz2LTakM
Schubert Impromptu in G-Flat Major
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8DKaq3njtwQ
Chopin Etude No.3 in E Minor (bullshit clapping skiped)
http://youtu.be/VC3XIg6cDI8?t=1m33s
Beethoven Piano Sonata No.29 Hammerklavier
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6qzDUOiyYz0
>>48728834
>Piano Concertos
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XmIy-zHG528
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-9sqT-2f7S4
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2GGx8TRWFVA
>>48728834
Rachmaninov 4ever
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mWOWb3xtfGE&list=PL3D3AB1402EEB1D8C&index=1
>>48728864
>Listen to Lieutenant Kije and Alexandra Nevsky
I've heard both and like them quite a lot, but that's not what I asked.
>>48728424
Sibelius is great. I like his 2nd, 5th and 7th symphonies.
Also his Karelia Suite and Pelleas et Melissande suite (still can't decide whether I prefer Sibelius' or Faure's though. I'm more familiar with Sibelius', but I have a feeling that Faure's will usurp it)
>>48728699
I'm not a huge fan. I think he's one of those overrated soloists. Definitely a good player, but I don't think he deserves as much attention as he gets
>>48728834
Try any of Scriabin's works for orchestra and piano.
Also Saint-Saens' 5th, Schumann's and Grieg's. And Liszt's concerti (and Totentanz, which is my favourite Liszt)
For something a bit more modern, try Arvo Part's Lamentate and James Macmillian's "The Beserking"
>last classical
http://open.spotify.com/track/0RPIQUVRe8VypIKbIHudD1
Thomas Tellefsen - III Scherzo. Presto
my favorite chamber piece ever.
>last non-classical
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m_QMS3-WAN0
Odd Nosdam
/classical/ loves Scriabin. Is he well known elsewhere or is he mainly ours? How about Arensky?
>>48729068
Scriabin is as much /classical/'s as NMH is /mu/'s.
>>48729068
I always promote Arensky. He's fucking based.
>>48728774
would probably enjoy this too
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=229sLFw-UPc
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_IVj3TBd0TU
>>48729068
I think those that love Scriabin are either a) pianists (it's his pianistic repertoire that's often discussed) or b) people who are enamored with the idea of loving Scriabin (sooo psychedelic! amiright joerogan dude bro!???). Because the quality of his orchestral output is quite low in proportion to the acclaim it receives here.
>>48729098
That seems like an apt way to put it.
Tonight's Prom:
War Elegy - Gurney
The Singing - Sally Beamish
Symphony No. 1 in B-flat minor - Walton
A bit of an odd prom this evening. It was meant to be tied in to the centenary of the start of WWI, with Gurney's War Elegy and a new violin concerto by Beamish which drew upon WWI for inspiration (but due to performer illness, they've switched out the violin concerto with her other work) with the Walton as a big symphony by a British composer to round it all off.
The replacement Beamish piece is in fact an accordion concerto which muses upon the Highland Clearances in which Scottish clansmen were cleared off their land as a result of their support for the Jacobite Rebellion of 1745. It promises to be an interesting piece (even if I'm not Beamish's biggest fan, having premiered some of her stuff before and not being overawed by it)
The Gurney elegy is lovely though, and the Walton is pretty much a Sibelius-Beethoven crossbreed.
>>48729195
Some are even impressed by his esoteric bullshit.
>>48725139
I try not to encourage piracy too terribly as I'm more or less against it.
Anyways:
Shostakovich 4
Beethoven 7
Turangalila
>>48729195
Well my favourite Scriabin are his two "poems" (Poem of Ecstasy and Poem of Fire) which I think are wonderful compositions, if a little difficult to follow at times.
>>48728783
When I got the Furtwangler Bayreuth recording of the ninth I was pretty happy until movement 3, but that shit is intolerable. Worse than listening on MP3s, but somehow more socially acceptable.
>>48729195
Some of the shit Scriabin comes up with is pretty hilarious though
>The White Mass is closely related to its predecessor, the sixth sonata. Both works were written in 1911–12 and have structurally and stylistically more in common than any other pair of Scriabin sonatas. Scriabin reportedly feared the sixth sonata, considering the work to be corrupted by demonic forces and going so far as to refuse to play the work in public. Scriabin composed his seventh sonata as an exorcism against the darkness of the sixth sonata, subtitling the work White Mass in order to reflect its celestial nature.
>>48729068
I think he is one of the greatest composers for Piano, He started out as an amazing Chopin imitator then branched out in his own musical style.
He is better than Chopin in my opinion, and His Preludes, Etudes, and Sonatas, especially 4 and 5, are god tier.
>>48728424
Sibelius is fucking rad.
>>48729261
Just think of lo-fi aesthetic. It makes the music sound almost as old as it is and reminds you that all these guys are dead and gone.
>>48729335
I'm not impressed, I just think it's funny
He's pretty much the Kanye of his era
>>48729322
It was more normal to believe in dumb shit back then. That's pretty amusing, though.
>>48729261
I don't why some people insist on ignoring recording quality when recommending certain interpretations for ordinary listening. As much as fury wangler occasionally impresses me (I'm not his biggest fan) there are moments when so much essential detail is brutalized by the state of recording technology (harmonies that qualify entire passages in the 2nd mov of eroica are erased in furtys recordings).
>>48728699
"Meh" tier but I also hear that he's an asshole.
>>48728774
Milhaud, Poulenc, Saint Saens, Faure.
>>48728834
rach 3 XD
In all seriousness probably Beethoven's Emperor Concerto.
>>48729225
I've been meaning to listen to a recording of one of Walton's String Quartet in A Minor. Doing that now in prep.
Top kek
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WSSucj6ZPGQ
Will Mozart ever stop being relevant?
>>48729387
>It was more normal to believe in dumb shit back then.
You think it's any different today?
FS Kelly: Australian/British composer who survived Gallipoli only to die in the Somme.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aK19TZfoHLo
>>48729237
>I try not to encourage piracy
>>48729470
In my mind I don't see any value in it. It's only particularly useful when dealing with sketchy ECM or Hyperion releases.
>>48729502
Or when the performer is dead.
>>48729535
That's not necessarily true, though.
>>48729470
>not supporting classical music performers
a lot of them need every penny they can get, particularly performers of early music and other obscure things in general
I'm not sure of whether I belong here on /classical/
you guys seem very dedicated, and probably study music as well
I merely put on the radio on my country's public classical station and listen away maybe an hour a day. if I like it, I just download whatever interpretation I find later.
btw favorites are:
Villalobos, Jet whistle
Henri Dutilleux anything for solo piano, maybe Rèsonances
Janacek string quartets
cheers
>>48729585
>Janacek string quartets
Good taste
>>48729585
>Dutilleux solo piano
good fakin' taste.
>>48729602
also this
All are welcome here.
>>48729585
>you guys seem very dedicated
Most people on here are pretenders and bullshitters. Don't feel intimidated.
>>48729352
But I was supposed to have grown out of Pavement! Actually I quite like vinyl fuzz and antiquarianism, it's just that when I know what it's supposed to sound like the contrast is miserable. Mainly for the slow movement, the rest can get by on big drum sounds and scale.
>>48729388
This is one of the things I find funny about reading dedicated classical forums. Like people sucking Caruso's dick then having to fall back on anecdotes from other dudes who actually heard the fucker sing.
>>48729585
>you guys seem very dedicated, and probably study music as well
lyl
>>48729602
>>48729616
>>48729627
thanks :')
>>48729585
I haven't played an instrument or studied theory in years, and even then I wasn't that great at it
but if you ever take a liking to medieval and renaissance music, though, I'll be glad to get you started, just note that I'm no scholar, just a devoted fan
>>48729388
I find something very charming about old recordings, I can't explain what it is, and if I want to really understand a piece, then a high quality recording is the way to go, but I guess it's just sort of like being a silent film enthusiast
>>48729388
Because recommending pre-50's recordings makes you seem knowledgable.
>>48729195
Lots of piano fans around, he's definitely more of a pianist's kind of composer and not very well known otherwise. I guess if we had organists around instead people would be talk of widor rather than Scriabin
http://www.nytimes.com/2014/08/03/books/review/beethoven-by-jan-swafford.html
"When Swafford described the middle movement of the “Appassionata” as “somber,” I threw the book on the floor, Beethoven-style. The piece is the opposite of gloomy; its gesture, its reason for being, is to reach up in a gradual arc toward elation. "
literally fucking dropped.
>>48729888
Widor and Reger would both get more love if we had more organists about.
Widor is pretty great though
It's no wonder the bulk of /mu/ doesn't delve into classical. First you've got to select a composer out of hundreds of years, then his numbered mostly unnamed compositions, then a performer with a good interpretation, then you've got to consider recording quality on top of that.
>>48729388
Sound quality is easier to reconstruct in your head than trying to make up for a poor interpretation. Sound really has to be wretched for me to take it as a big minus.
>>48729927
Its no wonder people happily spend their lives just listening to classical. So much to check out
>>48729927
And at the heart of that, a lot of /mu/ probably doesn't like music enough to justify such effort.
>>48729927
Finding the best recordings of a particular work is one of the great things about listening to and collecting classical music.
I'm actually considering buying Celibidache's recordings of the Bruckner symphonies while being on a tight budget... please talk me out of it!
>>48730024
Depending on your budget there are FAR better things you can buy!
What's the budget
>>48729925
Never really bothered with either. Not the biggest fan of the instrument tbh
Since we're speaking of Scriabin, who are your favorite pianists/recordings for him?
>>48730024
>Celibidache's recordings of the Bruckner symphonies
Reason enough not to do it.
Y'know, unless you want to die of old age.
>>48730041
I really shouldn't spend so much money on CD's... but I can't stop buying. I already have tons of Bruckner on CD but still the Celi boxed-set seems tempting...
>>48730024
no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no
Have a listen to this and then consider it a reason never to think about Celi Bruckner ever again
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yLGS4nJy070
>>48730024
Why not buy his masses instead?
>>48730094
I shouldn't be spending so much money on CD's and downloads either, but it's best to put the money to good use if you're going to spend it.
Maybe Andras Schiff's Diabelli Variations? Or his Janacek CD?
>>48730118
Don't care for Janacek. I have the complete Mozart piano concertos by Schiff but hardly ever listen to those recordings...
>>48730178
Buy this and then upload it to the internet so I don't have to.
>>48730024
Only the early symphonies are somewhat passable, in general he's so slow what you get is a deconstruction of Bruckner rather than proper interpretations. Masses of sound with no sense of the line.
Besides, iirc the cycle is fucking costly, don't waste your money on that trash, or at the very least sample it beforehand. Also, he might be dead but his estate probably get a money and he was a bigoted asshole. Wouldn't want to give him any of my hard earned money even in the grave.
>>48730231
Don't care for J.S. Bach either. I just bought the three volumes of keyboard concertos of C.P.E. by Michael Rische though, riveting stuff.
>>48730233
>he was a bigoted asshole
how's that please? i don't really care much about artist's personalities in gereral. he could've been a nazi for all i care.
>>48730259
There was a recent set of CPE's Complete Piano Works. Super approved.
http://www.classicstoday.com/review/markovina-aces-cpe-bach-plus-25-greatest-hits-score/
>>48730233
>Besides, iirc the cycle is fucking costly
I always go for the bargains mate, secondhand and all.
>>48729925
I've only been around here for a few days, but I'm quite partial to the organ
not so familiar with it in later classical music, but here's the first video in a series of a collection of early organ music that I'm a huge fan of
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NkVL4QLlAfA
Conrad Paumann and Francesco Landini are some of my favorite early organ composers. It's strange that they're both blind, isn't it?
>>48730305
Yeah, I put in a bid for that on ebay not so long ago. But lost out. Retail price is too dear for me.
>>48730288
I don't care when I listen, I care somewhat when I buy. Read about the Abbie Conant affair if you're interested.
>>48730288
He was of the opinion that orchestras should be all-male (or at least that women should not be allowed to lead sections or have any leadership role in the orchestra). There was a controversy over his treatment over a female trombonist
http://www.osborne-conant.org/ladies.htm
>>48730342
Sigh if we knew your budget it would help...
>>48730365
It's not that I need to spend a certain amount of money on music & I want you to choose for me. I just wanted you to tell me how awful Celibidache's bruckner is. Thanks anyway though!
>>48730357
To be fair this is (remarkably) still a problem to this day.
Karajan was actually a conductor who tried to fight against this.
>>48730658
>Karajan was actually a conductor who tried to fight against this.
I think the whole Karajan-Berliner crisis in the 1980's had more to do with an orchestra rebelling against their somewhat autocratic leader than with the fact that they didn't want another lady in their ranks.
>>48730711
IDK man, at least Karajan was trying to add female members.
>>48728783
>listening to multiculturalists
>Rameau on the accordion as a encore
I can dig this
>>48730737
Read Robert Vaughan's book on Karajan. Good read, and goes into detail about the karajan-berliner crisis about the female... I forgot clarinetist?
>>48730790
Yeah Sabine Meyer. Do you know the title?
>>48730826
Herbert von Karajan: a biographical portrait by Roger (not Robert, sorry) Vaughan.
>>48730737
>intentionally trying to add female members instead of just picking the best available regardless of sex.
And what a surprise that he's also shit.
>>48730966
You obviously have no idea what you're talking about.
>>48730966
You're probably trolling because Sabine Meyer is considered one of the greatest clarinetists ever. Certainly one of the greatest living.
>>48730984
He's right about Karajan being trash though,
>>48730966
According to all accounts Sabine Meyer was a great musician.
>>48731012
Well yes nobody was contesting this.
>>48731013
Still is.
>>48731012
lol.
>>48731033
>Well yes nobody was contesting this.
You're right, why waste time & energy on educating hopeless plebs.
>>48731100
What are you talking about?
>>48731100
KIDF pls.
>>48731106
According to you noone is contesting that 'Karajan is shit'. So I said: right, why waste time & energy on educating hopeless plebs.
>>48731139
OK so you don't think Karajan is shit? I would disagree.
Just watch this interview with Simon Rattle; even he admits that he was a very controversial conductor: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5ceXbC9SF1E
>>48731168
Since when is Simon Rattle an authority on anything? Maybe Simon Rattle is shit? Ever thought about that?
>>48731185
just stop b8ing
>>48731198
Like I said, I'm not going to waste time & energy. All I can say is: listen to Herbie conduct R. Strauss, Bruckner or Brahms. If you still think he's shit then that's that. Nothing more to say. And obviously Karajan was a better conductor than Rattle ever will be, I don't see how this could even be a dispute. But, please carry on.
>>48731259
>Karajan's Bruckner
>not shit
>>48731259
I wasn't saying that Rattle was a spectacular conductor. But even he, on the Berlin Philharmonic's own YouTube channel, said that Karajan was not some flawless figure.
>>48731401
So what? Who's flawless? I sure never said Herbie was flawless. But not being flawless means you're shit now? Come on.
>>48729322
>tfw Scriabin
>"There will not be a single spectator. All will be participants. The work requires special people, special artists and a completely new culture. The cast of performers includes an orchestra, a large mixed choir, an instrument with visual effects, dancers, a procession, incense, and rhythmic textural articulation. The cathedral in which it will take place will not be of one single type of stone but will continually change with the atmosphere and motion of the Mysterium. This will be done with the aid of mists and lights, which will modify the architectural contours."
Scriabin intended the performance to be in the foothills of the Himalayas in India, a week-long event that would be followed by the end of the world and the replacement of the human race with "nobler beings".
Who the hell was his pharmacist?
>>48731588
Hahaha
>>48731401
Rattle seems very good to me. Especially on Sibelius but I remember being blown away by some Tchaikovsky he did. Like most conductors he has his personal ideal repertoire which can make him hard to compare.
>>48731788
Oh yeah I wasn't dissing him. Just pointing out that the guy was avoiding the point I was trying to make.
>tfw you will never play a pyrophone
Why do so many based conductor's last names start with "K"
Karajan
Korliov
Klemperer
Kleiber
>>48725035
>Favorite composers of late?
Schumann, Ravel, Satie
>What have you been listening to?
Schumann, Ravel, Satie
>last classical piece you listened to
Robert Schumann - Fünf Stücke im Volkston, Op. 102: I. "Vanitas vanitatum". Mit Humor
>last non-classical song/piece you listened to
The Books - Take Time
>>48732081
>Koroliov
>Konductor
lel
>practicing with a friend
>play section of the piece the worst I have ever done
>"That sounded great Snozz!"
why can't I have patrician music friends to cut me down?
>>48731893
Gives a whole new meaning to L'art Pompier
>>48732169
Playing any concerts soon?
>>48732242
Auditions for chair/ensemble placements is all.
>>48732274
What were you practicing?
>>48732169
I would call you Snobbery for short instead of Snozz
>>48732288
Bernstein Sonata/Til Eugenspiel excerpts.
>>48732294
Hell I'd probably be fine with it.
>>48732081
>Karajan
>based
So where can I find a list of MEGA uploads of /mu/ approved classical?
>>48732562
The chart has rutracker links.
>>48732562
>>48732593
also: https://mega.co.nz/#!1V8TSDwL!e5er4zSSyB3kPArCUM02-1KXzlyOkfgfJl6XE9w5orY
>>48732593
These seem to be all flac, and even though it'll make me sound like a garbage pleb, I prefer 320 mp3 so I can listen in the car on my phone
>>48732670
Use MusicBee then. Super easy converting.
>>48731259
you know, karajan's brahms is actually even worse than his bruckner.
>>48731259
> listen to Herbie conduct R. Strauss, Bruckner or Brahms.
The general dislike is more often than not, in regards to his recordings from the 70's and 80's which are considered "bad" (though in some cases I would disagree with). For me, his strengths were in his earlier years, especially his '63 Beethoven Symphony cycle, Brahms Symphonies from the '60's, and Brahms' Ein deutsches Requiem from the late 40's. Hell, even Karajan's last recording of Bruckner's 7th is really good.
Just like Bernstein and nearly every other conductor, Karajan had his strengths; but also his weaknesses. The great thing about multiple recordings of a piece is that you don't have to listen to what you don't like.
>>48733056
>and Brahms' Ein deutsches Requiem from the late 40's.
that's literally the sloppiest studio recording of the requiem i've ever heard.
choral music and karajan is a recipe for disaster. i should upload that missa solemnis snippet where he doesn't give a shit that part of the choir finishes their "amen" a second too late.
>>48733106
or remember how he flew his viennese amateur choir to london instead of using the fucking philharmonia choir.
so retarded.
>>48733106
I'll allow you Karajan bashing so long as you don't praise Bohm.
>>48733167
Too bad he had a keener ear than you could ever hope for
>inb4 butthurt
Which composer's music has gotten the most people laid?
>>48733106
When in consideration of the fact that 67 years have passed since that recording, it's pretty easy to find recordings with better quality of sound; but that doesn't entirely take away from the performance. Karajan's work is still very good, even though I agree the recording hasn't aged too well.
>>48733236
Fuck.....
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P-mgLBSaN94
>>48733236
i only bash karajan in certain repertoire, same with böhm. i'd even take karajan's mozart over böhm's if that makes you happy. if they'd stuck to late romantic and 20th century stuff i wouldn't have beef with them.
>>48733279
too bad that didn't stop him from tolerating sub-par choral singing.
>>48733388
i'm the last person to be turned away by recording quality, it's just a rather sloppy performance with an abhorrent choir. the tempi are middle-of-the-way and frequently unsuited to the declamation of the text, compare how the apocalyptic part is both slower and less precise under karajan's baton, compared to lehmann's dramatic and in-tune (that c major cadence at the end) performance.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bvmodaPDLoI#t=54m28s
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AxTu0rHnVW8#t=57m21s
that lehmann recording is so good.
>>48731873
You weren't making a point. You were trying to let Sir Simon do that for you. But Sir Simon said Karajan wasn't flawless, which is fucking obvious if anything. You however said Karajan was Shit. You are an imbecile.
>>48733579
This isn't about which recording is "better". I prefer the Lehmann recording over the '47 Karajan any day of the week; but we're not talking about how the Lehmann recording is "better". If we are talking about which recordings we prefer, then I would pick 4-5 recordings over the '47 Karajan; but that does not mean "therefore, it sucks". That one part you linked to is a bit grating, though Hotter and Schwarzkopf are the highlights for me.
>>48733854
>>48725035
>last classical
brahms clarinet quartet
>last non-classical
no one sleep in tokyo
>>48733916
if there is anything close to 'bait' in this thread it's:
"karajan is shit"
>>48733958
"karajan is shit" is technically a meme.
>>48734010
Sorted then. Thank you.
>>48733927
You mean Brahms' Quintet? Which recording out of curiosity?
>>48734060
>brahms clarinet quartet
oops, yeah i meant the quintet. the one with charles draper and the lener string quartet. i think it mightve been the first complete recording of it, in the late 1920s or so.
What's your favourite variations/fantasia in which one composer uses a theme or themes by another composer?
>>48734260
My professor has an old Draper recording of Mozart's Quintet. Great player but I don't quite like the tempi. Particularly the first movement...very fast.
>>48734390
Where's that guy who always posted about Fantasia on a Theme of Thomas Tallis?
I like Brahms' Variations on a theme by Schumann: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cx9Tije-nwk
>>48734390
beethoven's diabelli variations
Do you guys think 24bit downloads are worth it? Thinking of buying a 24bit recording of pieces by Schumann and Holliger.
>>48734390
brahms paganini
>>48734447
i dont find the movement very fast but a just a little too much. the recording at bit has an air of relaxed rhythm, which doesnt help. as for draper, i really enjoy his rubato phrasing, though some may dislike it
>>48734390
Brahms wrote some of my favourites. His Paganini Variations are great, as is 'Variations on a theme by Handel'. I also quite like Chopin's Variations on 'La ci darem la mano'. It works quite well and is a good piece considering that it's fairly early on in Chopin's compositional lifespan
VW Thomas Tallis Fantasia is also really great, probably one of the best things he wrote.
One that I've grown fond of recently after discovering it by accident is Hindemith's 'Symphonic Metamorphosis of Themes by Carl Maria von Weber' which is very very enjoyable.
And I suppose the final movement of Mendelssohn's 5th symphony is probably my overall favourite, even though it's part of a symphony and not just variations on its own. Ein Feste Burg lends itself very well to adaptation. Totentanz can probably be included for Liszt there, even though the Dies Irae chant doesn't really have a 'composer'
>>48734680
Yeah, I mean the important thing is that he can play well and doesn't really tend to overstate his role in the Quintet.
>>48734703
Love the Symphonic Metamorphoses. Probably the 2nd is my favorite.
>>48734544
16 bit is good enough.
>>48734785
Aight. I'll probably just get the CD then (cheaper anyways).
>>48730321
That was fantastic, thanks for sharing. I'm keen on Bach's organ works but haven't checked out anything earlier than Buxtehude, so this was a mind opener.
>>48735197
Are you saying you've never heard of Buxtehude? Or Paumann and Landini?
Check out Frescobaldi's organ stuff for even more early organ fun.
>>48732169
What instrument do you play?
>>48735282
I play Clarinet.
>>48735231
I'm saying I've listened to Buxtehude but no organ music earlier than him or Pachelbel (I heard of Buxtehude through looking into Bach's work).
Listening to the rest of the Buxheimer now, will be sure to check out Landini and Frescobaldi as well. Would love to learn to play the organ someday, such an incredible sound.
>mfw das klagende lied is my favorite work my mahler.
>>48735691
Mahler's voice works are great, don't feel so unsure about it.
My favorite is probably Symphony 2 or 4 personally.
>>48735739
apparently bernstein deemed it unworthy of recording (dkl). my favorite mahler symphonies are nos. 1, 2, 4 & 9. i also love rueckert lieder.
>>48735851
I feel terrible because I don't like the 4th or 5th but love the 2nd, 6th, and 9th.
Please. Someone help me love the 4th and 5th
>>48735929
i can only recommend my favorite recordings of the 4th: stenz/gurzenich; de waart/dutch radio philharmonic; bertini/wdr koln; klemperer/philharmonia (the list goes really). i cannot help you with symphony no. 5 because i hate it.
>>48735929
5th you either love or you hate.
The 4th is just such a charismatic symphony without being too over-the-top. People always talk about feels in the 2nd Symphony because, well, it's impossible to not feel with that grand finale. But the 4th is able to do it without fortissimos or grand choirs. That's always the indication of a great work to me.
>>48734390
Brahms - Handel variations
Busoni - Variations and Fuge in Free Form on Chopin Prelude in C minor
Liszt - Reminisces de Don Juan (fantasia on Don Giovanni)
>>48735929
Walter and Barbirolli have the best recordings of the 5th I've heard but it's not one of my favorites.
bump.
come on ya'll
>>48738045
what do you want
>>48738119
idk the thread was about to die
God Faure's Piano Quartets are so beautiful.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Sb7gp98wAc
Is this the one to get or is there a better one?
>>48739275
Faure is probably the most Proustian composer.
>>48740652
Gardiner's fine, but just bear in mind that it's always streamable on Spotify (right?).
>>48740727
Proustian, I just found out, is a negative term. I disagree: his pieces are always very purposeful and logical.
>>48740853
I wasn't using it in a negative sense, I just find something of Proust's sensuousness and touch of melancholy in Faure's chamber music and piano works.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UD_hP5eIFH8
>>48741100
Ah! Wonderful. Because I do agree in the same way.
>>48728012
no one ever mentions Martynov
>>48734680
>brahms paganini
>not brahms handel
heathen
>>48741189
but brahms schumann
>>48741243
there's many wrong answer but just one that's right
>>48741180
Little known since there's only a handful of recordings.
>>48741243
Brahms Handel is simply on another level.
>>48740652
idk bought this & it's cool
Is this the bomb or what? I think somebody decided it was fedora classical but it's still cool.
>>48742992
I still say you just can't beat the original Carmina Burana
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rgrWpUO_45A
>>48742992
I mean the intro is fedora classical without a doubt.
Track 9 (can't be bothered to look up the name) is GOAT though.
Bridge is a phenomenal British composer: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NWdbfU3DQlU
Had only heard his Cello Sonata before this but this is just as great if not better.
>>48743169
>referring to movements as tracks
Seriously if you are going to trip at least make some effort to look like you know what you're talking about.
>>48743561
>caring about semantics
I meant Track 9 of that album.
If you look it up it's like 5 or 6 parts. Does "Round Dance" work?
>>48743544
>neoromantic trash
>phenomenal
>>48743609
It's quite the beautiful piece if you give it a chance.
>>48743544
Two of the string quartets (1 and 3?) are really good.
>>48743641
Too bad he composed it so late. Its easy to compose pretty music. Its reasonably difficult to keep apace with a rapidly changing musical culture spiralling madly off in all directions. Even Rachmaninoff was able to do this to some extent. What you have posted is the very definition of dated.
>>48743767
Do you not like Elgar's Cello Concerto for this reason?
If so, there is no hope for agreement between us.
>>48743767
published in 1911 so not even that dated
>>48743843
After Prelude to the Afternoon of a Faun, after Transfigured Night, after Salome and Elektra, After Variations on a Theme by Thomas Tallis, After Firebird
Dude was late as fuck
>>48744047
not even 10 years after dvorak died. not like he was a dinosaur or something, just a mammoth or a sabretooth tiger.
besides, he was a brit and a contemporary of elgar, rvw, holst and so on. not like britland was known to be particularly forward looking at the time, he fitted squarely in the musical establishment of the era.
Beethoven 5
Dvorak 9
Schubert 9
i'm a pleb
Christ, it's so hard to memorize a fugue. I've almost got it but it won't come out of my fingers without having to stop and think.
>>48744254
Yeah but what makes him interesting then?
>>48744351
the quality of his music perhaps?
I don't listen to Bridge or to most of the composers from around these times but it's got more to do with the fact that I find them boring than it has to do with their music being dated.
>>48744421
But for me "boring" and "dated" go hand in hand anyway so we are on the same page here. You better have some hell of a kind of melody if you are going to compose pre-wagnerian romantic in the 1900s mate or I'll give you the ol' Penn Jillette special.
>>48744522
dunno, I listen to stuff like the late Carter works and it's all definitely very dated sounding for the time they were composed, I like them all the same.
>tfw not musical
>tfw Watching Bernstein's Concerts For Young People and learning tons of shit
Idgaf
>>48742992
Orff is amazing! Glorious work
>Fedora
>Classical
That just can't exist. They like Tool and Dream Theater, not classical. Pay no attention to anyone who uses the term 'fedora classical'
>>48728012
Most underrated Russian.
>>48745104
No shit. I have no idea who the fuck that is. Btw unless you are some kind of hipster you might want to include a fucking name so he does not continue to be neglected you dummy.
>>48745172
Sergei Taneyev, to save everyone the unnecessary tedium of having to reverse image search.
