I'm wondering why there's never been any of these generals, I'm sure there's people out there that like to sing and or would love to learn so.
It would be cool if people started posting their own singing for people to critique, maybe help others get better, what they can improve on, etc.
bumping with best singer
>>65024434
I made one a few weeks a go, it went okay. I imagine maybe a lot of people don't treat singing like they do other instruments and think that you can either do it or can't and therefore think it doesn't warrant discussion.
I think I'm on the right track now, I recently realised that it's sort of like working out, you have to stretch the voice a little bit at a time to make incremental gains and be patient. I used to think it was just about understanding the right technique and then you would just sort of be able to do it kek, which obviously led to some frustration. But really correct technique comes subconciously through doing exercises.
>>65024473
>>65024450
Oh yeah an Aurora is crazy good, never hits an out of tune note and has great tone throughout her whole range. I watched some videos of her from 2014 and she wasn't quite there yet, which again proves that it isn't all innate.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b5tPx7hKXa0
that last note at about 3:10, she sounds like a siren. must be near the top of a sopranos range no?
here's some nmh https://clyp.it/v0plbqvy
Obviously not a challenging song at all but when I first started trying to practice singing properly some months ago, the phrases were too long for my shitty breath control and believe it or not some I was straining for the higher notes, and they aren't even that high at all haha... feels and sounds a lot more effortless now so that's nice
>>65024434
The vocalist in dvsn is/will go down as the GOAT of this era.
>>65024568
There are things you do just have to be told or you'll never figure it out yourself. Imagine how long the art of singing has taken to develop, like tens of thousands of years. In its own way it's an extremely advanced technology that one person can't reinvent single-handedly.
But yeah, once you know enough techniques consciously, it is about practice and getting your equipment in physical shape to handle the task, and forming good habits.
I've been singing for quite a while and gotten a little recognition for it, but here's a question:
Most of my practice I do in a smallish room with pretty lively acoustics, no amplification. There's a subtle reverb that doesn't tail my actual vocals too far, but it helps me get an idea of what I actually sound like. The problem is it sounds way too good, and my technique doesn't transfer perfectly to stage, with a mic.
I really prefer unamplified practice to keep building power and not fall into electronic tricks to fool myself, but I can't think of a way to do this with more realistic feedback. I could work in a more acoustically dead space and record myself, but being able to know what I'm doing immediately and adjust really helps in practice.
im in bed singing over instrumentals of pearl jam and bon iver
ive been told by <5 people i have a good voice but i just like to sing to myself sometimes
>>65025595
Turns out whisper singing into a mic at 1am sounds like shit
Was going to post vocaroo but want to stab self
>>65025750
>whisper singing
Yeah don't do that. You don't get the full character of your voice unless you go balls out. Even people that think they sound good like this, it shows.
I go to a lot of open mic nights to get used to a hostile crowd of mostly fellow musicians, and you can tell who practices like this and who practices at full volume.
>>65025750
>>65025794
Thinking about building up the nerve to pull out an acoustic guitar and do this, but I dunno yet. Not the whisper part though.
>>65024568
>>65025371
>>65025587
I've just recently moved out by myself and over the course of just a few months I've realised you can actually do things with your voice that shock you.
When I first started singing, it sounded like absolute shit. But I kept going and going, and I'm starting to control the vibrato technique.
The problem I have though, is that I have quite a high voice and I can't seem to find out where my voice is. Its always strange to hear yourself so you're not really the best judge.
I've never really sang in front of anybody either.
I'm wondering what people look for in as a singer when you go to try out for a band, I can easily hold a note, but where abouts is it that you want the note.
I'll post an example of my vocal pitches, and if anyone could tell me what pitch sounds best, then I'll try to sing like that. Any critique is fine.
http://vocaroo.com/i/s0vKTGbWDMNL
>>65025828
Bravo for having the balls to do it here at all.
Your relative pitch is a little off. This isn't a game-breaker, but I'd suggest some kind of accompaniment as a rule to keep you in line.
You lose a little power in the lower notes. Actually a lot of power. This can be trained for. If it's well below your natural center, just develop some vocal fry that isn't obnoxious, find the right breath control to make it resonate.
This may seem counter-intuitive, but you actually want your larynx to drop a little in high notes and raise a little in low notes. Not to any crazy extreme, but high notes should feel looser than low notes. Lows should almost be like you're straining, but nowhere actually near straining.
To find your real range, just sing the highest note you can and the lowest note. Voices are named by the center between those two. You sound like a tenor of some sort to me.
>>65025828
fucked if i know what pitch is which but 0:03 and 0:35 i liked best
i dont know shit about music
>>65025828
And now that you've been the sacrificial audition, I might just warm up and give it a shot myself here in a bit.
>>65026020
Sorry bout clipping all over the place. Little lap top mic can't handle all this.
http://vocaroo.com/i/s0qyh1ZzQMeV
>>65026099
are you british or americuck
>>65026143
Murrifat
>>65026172
Also it's 11 in the morning here and I'm a night owl, still a little rough.
>>65025889
I like singing Bowie songs because he had charisma when it came to voice, I'll try sing in my lowest then reach my highest, tell me what you think.
My lows are really shit and I need to work of them.
http://vocaroo.com/i/s1VvqVIhnxKL
sounds so bad ;_;
>>65026379
You just need to build up enough power to get more clarity. Don't be afraid of the vocal fry to make things more efficient, but don't strain either. Work on getting some head voice mix into your lows. This just takes a lot of practice, and I can explain further if you need me to.
>>65024708
me likey
>>65026379
I'd give Life on Mars a shot, but it's too early for me, and the jumps would be extremely painful.
Also someone may or may not have a problem with my accent apparently. Might start doing Murrican music if we take this further.
>>65024708
any feedback on muh voice, is it pleasant? I know when I'm improving pitch etc but the general sound of my voice is the one thing I feel I don't really have perspective on
>>65026513
thanks!
>>65026530
Sounds fine to me. Pitch is alright, really no points I could come up with to help you improve. Little straining here and there, but unless it hurts, whatever.
>>65026452
I'm trying to do the vocal fry but I can't seem to do. I used to be able to do it, but I've trained myself to stop doing it.
Do you have any examples of what a vocal fry is?
Is this it?
http://vocaroo.com/i/s1smbwYrEQ9f
>>65026570
Thanks. I guess if I want pointers I should record something that I can't do so well yet, that requires getting over potential embarrassment though kek
>>65026659
Oh yeah, I know the feeling, and this is a rough place to put yourself out there like that. Balls out my friend. Do something challenging. The crowd's on your side already.
>>65026645
Oh, yeah don't do that.
Here's about the most extreme possible example.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AaPtiFO-NLc
It's something you have to develop over time, and you really drive it from some deep air instead of squeezing it out of your throat.
>>65026740
http://vocaroo.com/i/s0S7XasH9S5Y
>>65026841
Yeah that's a fine base to build a lower singing voice on. Just takes some practice.
>>65026882
Yea, I'm gonna have to practice it more, going lower strains my voice than it does to go higher.
>>65026841
>>65026882
http://vocaroo.com/i/s1aWunQIEQ9Q
>>65026740
this doesnt sound that low to me
is that because we hear our own voices are super low?
>>65026912
Higher's more in demand anyway if you're doing any popular genre and not goth rock or death metal or something.
>>65026914
http://vocaroo.com/i/s1104aMGKxoG
>>65026921
That's not really his lowest range either. The notes they were talking about him hitting are in the range of the lowest string on a bass guitar. But it's an idea of well-developed fry. It's a lot thicker, which just comes from exercising right and then driving it with the right breath control.
>>65026698
Well I'm giving my voice a rest day today because I've been singing every day this week and my diaphragm is a bit sore, but here's more NMH, me failing at the high G haha... you can hear I almost get it on the "I" but then I can tell I can't keep up the right intensity and just sort of revert to a weak head voice. I feel like I'm not doing anything wrong technique wise and that it is within my range, maybe it'll just take some more working out of the physical side of things? https://clyp.it/gtbkjrvb
>>65026939
I'm abroad at the moment, but when I head back home I'm looking at maybe starting or joining a band. I'm looking more into the rock side of things, but I don't mind other genres either, punk, metal, etc.
I usually come across metal bands that want more of a grittier/screaming voice, but you really need to shred your vocals first if you want to sing like that.
>>65026948
http://vocaroo.com/i/s0M9rBdcM4dr
>>65026921
And from what I understand this is pretty unusual, but I actually hear my own voice a lot higher/more bright than it sounds to everybody else. Makes for unusual monitoring situations and stuff.
>>65027007
http://vocaroo.com/i/s1RFbGRnk0L4
>>65027007
I say train up harder than down. There have been marketing analyses backing me up on this. The statistically best selling popular music tends to have a male vocalist in a relatively high range.
And I'm a middle of the road tenor who trained down and sings in a goth rock band, so I don't have a horse to back here.
>>65026988
Heh, I laughed at the crack. The worst ones is when you go to sing that pitch and something else foreign comes out instead and you're not sure if that was you that just did it or not.
>>65027044
http://vocaroo.com/i/s0DFaj5Sqrf5
>>65027054
I've been trying to practice that vocal hiccup which elevates my voice a bit higher, I could do it when I was younger but I've seem to forget how to do it.
>>65027095
http://vocaroo.com/i/s1aeTYVtGpJ6
>>65027095
>vocal hiccup
Like a yodel? Squeak range? Guys gradually lose their ability to do that kind of thing as they get older. I remember the day I first realized I could no longer hit the high note in Aha "Take on Me". Worst karaoke night ever.
>>65027095
I cringe at the thought of people in the house hearing when shit like that happens, but you gotta do it badly before you can do it well I guess. I've been told my middle range has a somewhat tenorish quality to the timbre, but I'm obviously a baritone if a G4 is something I need to work towards, right? Also I can sing as low as an E2, sometimes D2 but not comfortably.
Trying to think of something that covers a lot of range in a short time within my realm of capability to try out for you guys. I can pretty comfortably cover three whole octaves, then a good chunk higher and lower if I'm really warmed up and on it.
>>65027131
http://vocaroo.com/i/s06pZHBHnXpH
>>65027158
You can hear Kurt Cobain or Michael Jackson often use it. It's kinda like a high pitch from closing your vocal chords to make like a whistle kinda.
It really destroys your voice if you try force it.
https://youtu.be/gOZKz_sPM6U?t=263
>>65027285
http://vocaroo.com/i/s1kJNWNib213
>>65027285
guy from dexy's midnight runners uses it accidentally at 00:55 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C3rg4psdHxw
should watch the whole thing though, a magnificent master class in what happens when you refuse sing in a suitable key
>>65027285
Oh yeah I know what you're talking about. Kurt Cobain did not do it in a healthy way. It's pretty much his pipes giving out. If he lived to be 35 he just wouldn't have been able to sing trying to do the same thing.
Michael Jackson actually trained up to that. It's called whistle register. Some guys can do it, some can't. It's an actual extra "voice" above head voice.
>>65027357
That sounds more like a blow out than a vocal hiccup lol. Jackson was a master at it.
Its where it sounds like a short girl scream.
>>65027402
I see, I used to be able to do it, but I forgot how to. When I was younger I shredded my vocals trying to do screams and shit, but after that I stopped and actually tried training it properly.
It sucks because I've written so many songs, but I'm stuck here with a shitty $60 guitar, back home I have a piano and a much better guitar waiting.
I also like the theatrical side to performances, so maybe I might incorporate that into my persona.
>>65027463
Here's an exercise. Sing some falsetto, really feel what your vocal chords and head are doing, start projecting air around until you get the strongest resonance out of your face bones, and there's your head voice. Train that down as low as you can get it.
Do the same thing only backwards with your normal speaking voice, and you'll find your chest voice. Train that up as high as you can get it.
Then start doing both at the same time until you can cover the bridge between the two without yodelling. Now you have a voice mix. Treat it like two instruments in a mixer with a cross-fader, and get appropriate tone.
>>65027623
Like when you're singing properly, your skull and rib cage will ring like bells. You'll be able to feel it. It's about using all your vocal processes to direct breath to the right places depending on the pitch you're hitting.
>>65027756
Good analogy for anybody who plays electric guitar is driving a wah pedal to self-oscillate. When you hear a really powerful singer, the kind who do acoustic venues or sing with a band without a close mic, what you're actually hearing is that resonant feedback, not the tone their vocal cords are actually generating raw. The difference is very noticeable when you put a trained singer against an untrained singer.
Does anybody have any advice on technique or point me to a place that does?
I'm not very good and I feel like I'm doing something wrong. I've read stuff that I found on google but still, any practice exercises would be great
Give some respect to those who sign with their passion
https://youtu.be/8wFag3o10wg?t=4m40s
>>65027845
Then once you can do this not worrying about whatever vowel sound you're actually making, doing it lyrically adds another layer of challenge. You'll find that if you want to maintain power and clarity, pronouncing let's say a long "ee" sound, you have to use slightly different physical formants depending on the pitch you're singing. Extra practice.
>>65027999
For a solid start at a total novice level, look up SingingSuccessOnline on youtube. They cover the basics pretty decently with examples, and in an accessible way without too much jargon or anything.
>>65028129
Thanks man
>>65028166
Good luck to you sir.
Something for you guys to tear apart, just to keep the thread going.
http://vocaroo.com/i/s1tDxqvCBydU
I did punk rock for a long time and totally rekt my tight pitch control. Been a long journey trying to get it back.
You should post some resources to get better. exercises, etc.
>>65028615
From what I recommended earlier:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wP3GMCxIRDM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=McNkIzJbyc0
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lr6baoiyaOI
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GecPVTYJTOQ
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P1uB3Gbjlnk
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BZdsWNX23ug
I will point out that this is a sloppy art with a wide variety of approaches, and any resource will be disputed by somebody. There's nobody universally considered to have the "right way" of doing it, but find the common threads and what works for the style you want and your individual voice.
>>65026379
You ever listen to Bauhaus/Peter Murphy? Kinda modeled on Bowie, but he has a smoothed over grit to his lower range that might suit your voice better as an influence. They even covered Ziggy pretty faithfully
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tTyePL5JvVI
>>65028835
No, this is the first time I've heard of them. Yea, I can see myself hitting his type of pitch. I've only really been singing for 4 months so its a pretty brand new experience to me.
I've always wanted to play in a band but I never got around to it because I'm way too much of the anxious type. But after Bowie's death that it hit me, do it or I'll regret it.
Why perform as myself? I've got nothing to show by being myself, so I created multiple personas that I want to mold into.
I've always done plays and acted in school whenever I had the chance, being someone just different and fooling people to make them believe you are the character just excites me. I remember my first major performance was in front of 900 people, and I didn't have a sense of nervousness, in fact, it felt so right, it felt those were my people that I owned, that I controlled, and they're coming on a journey with me.
What's strange, is that in social situations, I'm the quiet shy one and when it comes to performing I'm another person entirely. I don't really want fame, or I'm not all that interested in money (it would be nice to have though) but the main thing I want the most is that feeling, that high that you get during a show, then the euphoric feeling after it.
I've taught myself guitar and keyboard, but have a slew of songs that I want to get out there, I don't particularly see them as songs, instead I see them as performances, lines that you'd get in a play, I'm glued to that theatrical sense.
>>65027623
>>65027756
>>65027845
Thanks for the tips, much appreciated.
bump
>>65030160
That's a great attitude and approach to things. You'll go places if you just put the work in. Just practice and practice. Find some more musicians at about your same level and grow into it together. Crank out ten solid songs for that first real show, hit the circuit and see what happens.
>>65030392
>at about your same level
This is crucial. Not saying you don't have potential, but at four months, a seasoned backing band will eat you alive, and your vision will not come through. Seriously work with people right about where you are.
>>65024434
just the thread I was looking for, great.
I'm looking for some feedback on my vocals.
Total beginner, wondering if I could maybe front some shitty band someday. Didn't read the thread yet.
here's some weezer:
http://vocaroo.com/i/s1K8AYAQPTk0
and some strokes:
http://vocaroo.com/i/s0mj5OmLBLXF
Also, my range is very narrow ( C3- E4), was wondering how could I improve that.
>>65030392
>>65030475
Right, taken all that on board. Is it recommended to usually bring your own material/songs to a band or should you just go with the flow and do covers until you're all comfortable to do new stuff.
>>65030706
Every band does it differently. If you've got lyrics and melodies it'll really speed things along as long as the band can learn/write and is cooperative. If everybody's totally new to things it's not a bad idea to start with covers just to get a feel for what kind of style you're actually gonna have as you gel.
Also at a lower level, covers are quick and easy money playing live, and originals are the tougher high road. You won't get very far as a cover band though obviously.
>>65030574
Not a bad start at all. You wax Morrissey a little in the Strokes cover. You'd survive an open mic, but more projection will definitely help down the line.
Don't take this too far or the wrong way, but a slight bit more nasal will help you build some power in your range.
Expanding your range is all about stretching just a little each session. Treat a new note like a project all it's own. Work on one pitch with every possible vowel sound, focus on power and clarity and really feeling that resonance. Also read the thread.
This is kinda fun. Fumbling through songs I totally don't know with the worst possible recording setup and showing them to a forum full of some of the cruelest people on earth is good for a stretch.
http://vocaroo.com/i/s146eXR5YJcu
>>65030837
thanks for the feedback
those recommendations are really helpful >>65028715
>>65031394
>and showing them to a forum full of some of the cruelest people on earth
I mean the kindest people don't really help either. You'll find that most people don't want to shitpost 100% of the time since its just pointless.
At least when you post here, you're either guaranteed a shitpost or advice, at least you know how to spot the latter.
I created this thread because there must be people out there that feel the same way as I do. Maybe next time when I or someone else creates a thread like this again, then hopefully there's more learning resources.
>>65031798
Absolutely. You can't learn anything in a hugbox. It just takes some really thick skin in here.
>>65031798
>>65031835
And despite what I've been posting vocaroo-wise, I'm actually a solid enough singer in more conducive conditions, and make a half-way decent living out of it. Doing this to challenge the hell out of myself today and see if I can grow a little.
>>65031394
as I forgot to add to my post, I think you sound a bit flat, but take what I say with a grain of salt since I don't see myself as any better than you are, like you said, recording setup may be the issue.
>>65031835
We're all somewhat anonymous, we can pretend to be who we want to be.
>>65031910
Almost positive setup is the issue. There's some doppler going on. I know for a fact my pitch isn't perfect though. Like I said I am fumbling, and going into things pretty cold today, setting up really nasty limitations.
>>65031910
>we can pretend
Not saying I'm fucking Pavarotti or anything, but my work is passable live or with a real mic, with a real guitar and/or full band. Deliberately making things hard on myself today to strip away any magic I might be relying on too hard.
>>65032119
I don't mean to sound defensive either. What I'm saying is this is what I sound like through a laptop mic unrehearsed. If you sound this good in the same conditions, and are thinking about joining a band but not sure whether you're good enough, you're good enough..
>>65032374
Its hard to say what sounds good and doesn't, its all subjective. Some people like oranges better than apples. You've also got pitch to consider, some people have a lower pitch, some higher.
>>65032533
I don't disagree at all. I do one of the few rock genres that calls for lower vocals. What I've been showing here is mostly in the mid-high end of what I do, but right below the center of my full range. Sticks out like a sore thumb among the other tenors posting I know, and makes it hard to compare against anything else we've got ITT.
>>65032374
>>65032533
>>65032604
Not deliberately trying to sound like ass either, just having fun trying to work around these limitations and see if I can learn anything from the resulting rage, but there hasn't been a whole lot of that yet.
