"I understand if you want to get an abortion.."
>>27913873
Oh, ok cool, load off my mind.
>>27913873
Hands are shaking too much. Slow it down and make her tremble a bit more and it'll be perfect,
>>27913873
Can some kind hearted soul do these with the rest of the mane 7
![[temptation sensation plays in the background].png](https://i.imgur.com/NRgF62D.png "[temptation sensation plays in the background].png")
>>27913873
>>27913873
It's not that I don't want kids. It's that I know neither of us are really ready to have kids. And I don't want to make them suffer because I was stupid.
>>27913907
>>(you)
>>27913873
This makes me sad
>>27913873
Thanks, Twi.
So you wanna use the stairs or a coat hanger?
>>27913873
Would the baby come out as a human or a half-horse? Important information to know
>>27914035
Well, it's EQG Twilight, so probably human but with weird-colored skin.
>>27913873
We're just not ready yet. We're still trying to save up money. Heck, we can't even keep up with the mortgage payments. Just give it some time. We'll get there
I promise
>>27913961
>>27914178
This.
Fact of the matter is, I actually love the idea of having kids someday. But if we were in high school? Fuck, that'd cause a shit ton of problems... And she wouldn't have the connections pony twilight would to be able to pull a young motherhood off painlessly.
It's her body though, I don't... I feel really weird about this. I should probably stop before I put a second foot in my mouth.
>>27913873
Wait, I'm pregnant?
>"I didn-"
Damn it Twilight, you said you were wearing protection!
>"What!?"
I want a DIVORCE!
>"WHAT!?"
I expect child support money in 9 months
>>27913873
>"Uh, little girl, who the fuck are you?"
>>27914687
>"We met at a party Anon, don't you remember?"
>"I got drunk for the first time..."
>>27914053
But she comes from equestria.
>>27914697
>"I'm 35. Now get the hell off of my property before I call the police."
>>27914854
>"And you fucked a highschool teen plus got her pregnant. At a party where you got a underage girl drunk. You want to call the police now?"
>>27914882
>"Yeah, I got no fucking clue who the fuck you are, so beat it kid."
>>27914907
>"YOU WERE DRUNK! I WAS DRUNK"
>"TAKE RESPONSIBILITY YOU JERK!"
>>27914931
>Cops arrive shortly on the scene and arrest an unruly teenager who accused some random guy of knocking her up
>News hits all of Crystal Prep
>Everyone now knows she's a slut
>Her scholarships are being revoked and she has to reapply next year for Crystal Prep, but was told she flat out won't be accepted
>You go back to shitposting 12 hours a day online
>Turns out the father wasShining Armor
>>27913873
Jesus Christ no! Give me more babies, marry me you purple goddess!
>>27913873
You're not getting off that easy, you and I have an appointment at the mayor's office tomorrow, bring a friend and a nice dress.
>>27913873
>implying
>>27913873
Great!FALCON...
>>27913873
If you want, drink this.
>>27913873
"Wait, hold on a minute. Maybe there's something wrong with the test, we can't just'"
>"This is the third test I've used. There is no more lying to myself about it."
"Damn it, I... I just don't know what to say. How long?"
>"Two months, I think."
"Is there no way around it? Can't you take some pills or something?"
>"I wouldn't be telling you this if it were so easy to fix."
"Well I don't know, okay?! Shit Twilight, I really have no fucking clue what to feel right now."
>"How do you think I feel? This is hardest on me!"
"On you? I'm the one who will have to provide for you and the baby!"
>"Or you can just split town and leave me to do this alone! Do you think I didn't consider that? You can just walk out on us whenever you want!"
>The heat of the argument reaches its pinnacle as Twilight burries her head in her arms as she rests over the kitchen counter, the pregnancy test shaking and poking out like a shameful, poisonous dagger.
>Her muffled sobs find no end in the dim light and she trembles, cold and alone despite you standing just a few feet away.
>The cruel reality of the situation weights more on the poor girl's heart than in your own, but her last outburst stings you with guilt that is not your own and a possibility that you refuse to consider.
>And so you walk to her, stsnding behind her as you take her in your arms.
>She does not remove herself from the counter, so you do what you can to comfort her with warmth, bodily contact, and kind whispers.
"I will never do that to you. We'll figure this out together, as a family. You won't have to be alone, Twilight. I love you, and I'll always be here for you."
>Her voice comes shaky and between sobs.
>"You promise?"
>You kiss her cheek, tasting the salt of her tears, and tighten your embrace.
"I promise."I hate writing on my phone
>>27915835
>she thinks you're a nigger or any other dark-skinned
And thus rainbow was born
>>27916397
Take your right winged nonsense elsewhere.
>Implying white aren't just as bad as blacks. Both inferior to Russian master race
>>27916397
>tfw being a loving and devoted father is one of my dreams
>tfw black
>>27913873
An abortion? Twilight, no. There's only one thing I could ever say in this situation.
Will you marry me?
>>27916530
aww
>>27916444
Hey, with those trips anything is possible
>>27916411
Good thing you gave your post away as bait with that last bit about the Russians. I almost wrote an essay on why you're wrong.
>>27916555
Trips confirm that trips are true
>>27915835
Are we getting more?
>>27915835
daww
>>27915835
>In just an hour later Anon bought a one way ticket on a bus heading three states over
But I had a vasectomy.
>>27916937
But that is how you get cucked.
>>27916861
I get the feeling twi would be especially cute during pregnancy.
>>27917042
They all would, honestly.
>>27917042
There is no such thing as a woman cute during pregnancy.
>>27913873
We don't want anyPast Sins
>>27917074
Good thing these are ponies.
>>27917081
>>27917094
kek that last panel
lucky shininig
>>27915835
Can we get more Momtwi?
>>27913873
What the fuck, OP, I wouldn't murder a baby just because I can't keep my dick in my pants
>>27917129
Good man.
>>27915835If my thread knew I am delaying an update by writing this shit they would rip my throat out
>It was fairly easy to convince Twilight that getting a medical exam would provide some definitive closure on the matter, getting her to the hospital, in secret, and disguised as an elderly woman, was not.
>She was terrified of being recognized and was painfully aware of the ostracizing that she might have to put up with for being such a young mother.
>The thought of being pregnant had never even crossed her mind while the two of you had shared your nights together, and when her period had not arrived hysteria and anxiety had made her a bundle of nerves and insecurity.
>You had noticed the change in her behavior, thought little of your usually queer girlfriend, and it was completely dismissed.
>Now, as the two of you exit the hospital, you do so in reverent silence, with a fog over your thoughts and the emotional numbness that you've carried with you from the moment in which she presented the truth to you in the darkness of your kitchen.
>None of you have a degree.
>A job when you haven't even finished high school would provide marginal relief, and you can only pray that there are no medical complications.
>Asking your parents for assistance is out of the question, and what would Twilight's parents think?
>Would Shining Armor pummel you to the ground the second that you shared with him the bittersweet news?
>You would, more so if it meant that you didn't have to go through with this.
>Twilight takes your hand, clutching it in search of some security and any sort of reassurance.
>She feels hot against your cold fingers as you close them around her thin, delicate ones, and it is you who finds the most comfort in the gesture.
>Turning to see her -paying no mind to the dark shades that she wears alongside a handkerchief with which she covers her hair- you catch the glimmer of new tears and the brave smile that she is struggling to maintain.
>>27917442
>You bring her hand up to your lips, kissing it gently.
"We'll be alright."
>She does not react to your words, knowing that they are the only thing that you can offer her right now, but the kiss sends the usual ripples of tender emotion throughout her body and that is something that she is grateful for.
>It is too early to know the sex of the child, or even if she is carrying more than one, and names are an attachment that she is afraid to get.
>The road ahead is murky and difficult to traverse, a swamp of insecurities and hardships.
>She tightens the grip.
>"What if an abortion is the best thing to do?"
>You plant another kiss on her hand.
"We'll be alright. We'll be alright..."
>>27917492
hhnggg
>>27917094
I don't remember not being able to have sex at any point during pregnancy. You know, since the baby is gestating in the uterus and not the vagina and all. Might be advised against in the last trimester but I forget. In any case nothing bad happened. Literally had sex six hours before birth. Only problem was watching labor and trying not to think about how much of those gushing fluids wuz my jizz.
>>27915835
>OP prom is actually about Twilight doing an abortion
>writefag immediately delivers a story stopping the abortion
Moron, the prom was more interesting than that
>>27917591
>spend time in fantasyland where biology can be literally magic
>dwell on mundane, awkward consequences instead of romance, adventure, or literally anything else
Do we just like torturing ourselves?
>>27917591
>OP prom is actually about Twilight doing an abortion
Yeah, no.
It was implied that Twilight understood Anon's want to abort the child, not that she had such inclinations or was happy with them.
If OP wanted Twilight to have one, it would have read something like "I want an abortion." or "I've thought about it and it would be best to get an abortion."
>>27917634
I'm just following on what OP provided and have my hands full on romance, adventure, and literally anything else with another green.
>>27917442
>>27917492
Jeff is that you?
>>27917676
Nope, just a humble writefag.
But let me tell you that you have some nice digits, my friend.
>>27917634
>instead of romance, adventure
Dont we have enough of that?
If you want a story about rising a kid with an EQG twilight just go to scilight or EQG generals, theres plenty of romance greentext (more than enough)
This prom was special, it was not about deciding the abortion, but anon leading twilight to do it, this could end in more complex situations and feelings than your average christian family could ever have
>>27917724
I see your point! Not gonna hate.
>>27917724
I just realized, we could take this shit to eleven.
Fantasy biology could make unwanted pregnancies impossible.
It could also make some mundane act much more ethically fraught. Which would be interesting!
For example!
Males still possess the urge to masturbate, but masturbation telekinetically explodes an African child.
>>27917707
Are you planning on continuing the green?
>>27917634
Kind of like all those fics where anon uses earth knowledge to get rich but then the whole fic is about doing his tax return.
>>27917805
wat.
>>27917818
Truth be told, I shouldn't and probably won't.
This was a quick post to see what I would come up with more than anything else.
Besides, last time I fell prey to a "shitty greentext prompt thread" I just lost myself in the story I started, still haven't finished, and will now get working on.
So if anyone wants to take over, please go ahead and do so, and don't let me keep you waiting for more.
Do have some double Twilly though.
>>27917980
It's a vein of fiction with a lot of potential in these times, I think. Most people assume their lifestyle is mostly ethical and sustainable. But what if we really were the problem, just by being who we are, without malice aforethought? Rubbing one out might not kill an African child, but a few probably died to get the rare earth minerals in that smart phone you're using.
Of course, when confronted with such harsh realities, most people just shut down. It's too much to deal with. But if the subject could be broached through fantasy, perhaps more ground could be gained.
>>27918033
And I really must emphasize it's not the primary fault of the consumer. In our hyper-regulated society, it is entirely within the realm of expectation to assume that any vendor licensed to sell would gain such privilege only after proving they didn't produce their wares with child labor. But somehow, our bureaucracy fails even in this basic protection of human dignity.
>>27915702
>implying
>>27917129
>murderShould I...should I kick off the argument? I'm surprised nobody's bothered trying
>>27919079Thread is dead without green so go ahead, the train is right there.
>>27917569
>Hey son, you know I was thinking about the time I watched your mother give birth to you
>And I'm pretty sure there was a glob on my semen on your head throughout the entire process
>>27916889
>>27916397
oh shit , the leader of the family security congress who has a lot of experience is talking
>>27913873
>not wanting to start a family with Twilight and become the father of her child that you raise together
dreams
>>27920106
>>27920106
>>27920241
>>27920259
Oooh look at fancy shading man over here. You think you're better than me or something? You think your wife is hotter? Fight me bitch. I'll take you.
>>27919048
>overmeme
figures
>>27920301
Nigga, my wife is objectively the hottest and I am clearly better than everyone else.
You wanna come at me, bro? I'll fucking wreck you man!
You do not deserve no wife and I'll take her! I'll take every wife!
>>27920399
Let's settle this like men. In front of city hall, at sundown, with pistols.
>>27913873
>Twilight then decides to tell you everything since she told you about the pregnancy.
>She's a magical pony princess from another dimension.
>She wants to go back to Equestria and wants you to come.
>Do you believe her?
>Do you, a highschool student, drop everything to go with her?
>>27913873
>ffwd 9 months later and you're in the delivery room holding her hand as she's in labor
>"The babys beginning to crown!" the doctor announces
>"Oh, Twilight, baby, I'm so happy."
>"M-me too, Anon."
>The doctor holds up your newborn son
>"Uhh..h-here you are, 'dad'." He says stifling laughter
>What the fuck
>He's tan as fuck and has blue sonic hair
>>27914011
Why not just funnel bleach down her cooter?
>>27913884
>>27913953
>>27913961
>>27914011
>>27914178
>>27914249
>>27915746
You know you're all advocating murder, right?
>>27920501
>>Do you believe her?
Honestly?
Fuck no. I had a chick try to convince me she was part of some ancient vampire circle or some dumb shit.
>>27921060
You missed out on some sick vampire poon faggot
>>27913873
You do? Good.
Kids are awfully messy and loud monster that i have no patience for.
Sorry twi.
>>27913873
I already bought three at Home Depot
>>27921060
Dude if that was Camilla you just past up banging the vampire queen. And possible immortality
>>27921335
Hey wait, I knew a Camilla. She always wore black and told me I couldn't see her during the day.
>>27920775
Nice meme.
>>27921395
Do you consider all opposing views memes?
Buddy, if you think it's alright to scramble up a baby and suck its brains out through a tube, you're sick and I hope you're never given the opportunity to make that kind of choice.
>>27921446
>baby
Fetus.
>>27921467
life begins at conception, ending life in an instance where the mother isn't in danger or if the pregnancy was forced is an act of blatant aggression
>>27921467
You're saying that like it's not a life that should be cared for.
Abortion doctors are the best spawn campers in the world.
>>27921997
A clump of cells isn't a person or a life.
If the mother can't take care of a child she should abort.
>>27922049
If the mother can't take care of the child, she should put it in a home. You wouldn't murder your 7-year old because it was inconvenient for you to take care of them, would you? No. So why is it ok to do that to an unborn child?
>>27921997
Pulling a tick off my head is blatant aggression too faggot, a fetus isn't worth anything.
>>27922059
A 7 year old is different from a fetus.
Also ehy would you condemn a child to the loveless life of an orphanage?
>>27922059
Because they dehumanize it. Out of sight out of mind.
>>27922062
apples and oranges tard
a potential human life is nothing like your flees you infested fucker
a fetus is worth everything, it is a living being being formed ever slowly, even if you don't accept that birth begins when cum hits egg the you should at least see that the idea that the fetus' potential makes it valuable inherently
>>27922067
The only difference between a 7-year old and an unborn child is that one has had longer to live and enjoy life. Murdering one and justifying that with it hasn't had the opportunity to do so is wrong.
And, you know, at least in the orphanage, they have a chance. You live in one until you're adopted or you turn 18 and bug off--21 if you're retarded or disabled in some other way. They still have 50 years left to do something. That's an entire life they wouldn't have if you sucked their brains out with a tube because you were another responsibility-fearing little shit or a virtue-signaling "we killed our baby because we didn't want to wait the few days it would take to put it in a home" idiot.
>>27922067
the orphanage bit is a very good point, foster children live through hell but the solution isn't to mercy kill them before they've even had a chance at life.
>>27922081
This is true.
A fetus is full of potential. As a child or as stem cells.
>>27921997
Do the world a favor and kill yourself. You're the kind of faggot who tries to get abortion clinics shutdown.
I'll enumerate some reasons to terminate a pregnancy.
Genetic diseases.
High-risk pregnancy.
Non wanted pregnancy.
Financial hardships.
Gestational difficulties.
NOT FUCKING WANTING A KID.
>>27922094
find them elsewhere, you do realize the argument "we need to kill the babies for science" sounds fucking insane right? Suck it up and realize that normies shouldn't be able to just kill their mistakes
>>27922107
>You're the kind of faggot who tries to get abortion clinics shutdown.
You say that is if there's something wrong with it.
>abortion clinic
You mean butcher shop? The ones that sell the bits and pieces at a high price?
>>27922114
Except it's not a baby. It's a fetus.
Also a better argument would be that embryonic stem cells can be grown in a lab so there is no point in having an abortion for science.
That being said i don't think anyone aborts for science.
>>27922107
>tells me to kill myself
>wants to throw away unborn children because they're inconvenient
nice sociopathic tendencies there lad
also why don't we, instead of killing living being and potential humans, put forth more effort into developing more effective contraceptives
also did you read the post? I agree that pregnancies that endanger the mother should be terminated
>>27922107
>Genetic diseases.
Fair point if we're talking about diseases that would severely hinder the child and bring harm to it or others throughout its life.
>High-risk pregnancy.
Another fair point. If one of them has to die, so be it. But bringing death to the table just because is deplorable.
>Non wanted pregnancy.
Murdering someone because their existence is inconvenient to you is such a vile, despicable act, that I would go as far as to call it evil. If you don't want your baby, there are other ways to get it out of your life besides killing it.
>Financial hardships.
See the above.
>Gestational difficulties.
I'm not sure what you mean by this and I'm not going to embarrass myself by speaking on something I don't know about.
>NOT FUCKING WANTING A KID.
See "Non wanted pregnancy".
>>27922138
>it's not a baby. It's a fetus
why though? Why is it not a baby?
what makes the sells with the action potential to become a human so much less valuable to you than an actual human?
>>27922130
You mean transfer them to universities and research institutes to find cures to diseases?
This isn't some fantasy land where the line between good and evil is clear cut. The answer to the question of abortion should be based on a clear moral basis.
My morals are based on reduction of suffering. Abortion does that in droves. Give me one fucking good reason that abortion shouldn't be allowed based on some real objective and not religious bullshit or arbitrary definitions of good and evil.
>>27922160
It's not a baby.
It's a fetus. It's just being scientifically correct. Nothing more.
>>27922175
>it is because it is
nice argument buddy, thanks for making you point of view clear and conveying your points in a persuasive and comprehensive manner.
Can I quote you? "It's not a baby." fucking inspiring
>>27922194
Getting this triggered.
>>27922147
Oh geez, I didn't realize it was alive! Silly me.
No shit it's a potential human life. So what? Who cares? So is the load of semen you wiped up with a towel tonight after spanking it.
In a fantasy world, contraceptives work 100% of the time. The ones we have now basically work 100% of the time when used correctly.
>>27922171
okay; because you are ending a human life as soon as it's begun. If life doesn't begin at conception then when does it? At a certain specific cell count, as soon as the thing's slid out of the womb? You can't so arbitrarily define life, I believe that the beginning of life should be be defined by something rock steady and unmoving, and that is at conception, and to that end, ending a pregnancy (after conception) is therefor ending a life.
>>27922171
>This isn't some fantasy land where the line between good and evil is clear cut.
Well, I mean, yes it is. Stealing from people for your own personal gain and not helping others is wrong (i.e. most thefts). Betraying your country and your people is wrong. Killing the innocent is wrong. Beheading people is pretty wrong. Hit and runs? I'd say those are wrong. Don't go all George R.R. on me with your "the world is grey" bullshit. The world isn't always cut and dry, but there are a great many deal of cases where it is.
>>27922194
Sounds like you are getting testy.
Guess i better clarify my opinion on the matter of abortion.
I don't really care about either side. I don't look up arguments justifying or condemning the actions of others.
I prefer to look at things from a scientific and legal angle.
I understand the potential of a child and what they can become but also see the negatives of having a child.
Honestly anyone will to get an abortion shouldn't have children anyway
>>27922211
>So what? Who cares?
sweet, you just admitted to advocating murder
>>27922199
I can get as triggered as I damn well please on this image board for posting pretty pastel horses
>>27922184
It's more than just me, buddy. Hey, I'm just as surprised as you. I didn't know /mlp/ had so many good people.
>>27922240
exactly, but you can't help people who bust their condoms and they should still be held responsible for the risk they took by putting the benis in the vagoo. Killing isn't justified by inconvenience it's justified by what's just, and there is no justice in ending a human life because you didn't want to have to deal with your mistakes
>>27922265
So what you are saying is sex should be done only for the sole purpose of reproduction.
>>27922224
That's not based on any moral reasoning. You're just declaring human lives as absolutely sacred and drawing a line in the sand where that begins.
Start at the basis for a moral system and build your case from there.
>>27922277
How are you at all getting that from what he's saying?
>>27922277
sex should only be done if you're willing to take responsibility for the potential that contraception fails.
>>27922265
If I put on a condom and it broke and you force me to keep the child, you're just punishing me for having sex. Stop living in puritanical dark ages.
>>27922292
So no one should have sex unless they plan on taking care of a child?
You do realize contraceptives are never 100% effect even when used together.
>>27922289
Your morals are kill babies because you don't think they're babies. His morals are don't kill babies because they're babies the second they're conceived. Next you go on to say that his isn't an argument founded in any moral reasoning and he needs to build a case on one? If he's missing something, so are you.
>>27922297
Puritan values laid the foundation for this country. I'd hardly call less than 400 years ago the "dark ages". And nobody is punishing you for having sex. The idea is man up and take responsibility for your actions. If you make a mistake, murder isn't the answer. THAT'S dark age thinking.
>>27922289
it is morally based, it's based on the non aggression axiom. The moral principal that no one's right to be, their right to exist, shall be infringed. One shall not commit crimes of force, fraud, or breach of contract, every sovereign human has just as much right to the road as anybody else and the only time that right is taken away is when they commit blatant acts of aggression.like killing a child
>>27922306
If you read the fucking thread, my moral reasoning is based on the reduction of suffering.
Quit simply declaring thing as true.
>Life begins at conception!
No, I'm pretty sure the egg and sperm were alive too.
>>27922298
yeah so be fucking careful, there is no way you can convince me that making your peepee feel tingly for a few minutes is worth a human life
>>27922297
I'm not punishing you for jack shit, reap what you sow, it was your decision to fuck, now deal with the potential consequences
>>27922337
>sperm were alive too.
This explains why masterbation is a sin
>>27922323
This is a semantics game. You continually call a fetus a baby and abortion as murder because you can't be bothered to make an argument on anything but raw emotion.
It's idiots like you that increase suffering in the world. The puritans created so much suffering with their stupid fucking religious sticks-up-their-collective-asses that we're still seeing the effects today.
>>27922369
your basis in emotionally base too dipweed if you're the "end all suffering" dude. Why not just kill us all if you don't want us to have to stub out toes anymore.
>>27922368
I'm jacking it right now.
Seeing as I'm not religious, I couldn't give a shit.
>>27922368
>>27922351
>>27922331
>>27922323
You keep going like this is actually important.
>>27913873
Dat ain't mine ho. You jus tryin to hurt a player cause im black, yo.
>>27922245
Yeah, "murder of iseless peices of flesh. The only tragedy here is that any time at all was wasted in the mothers life. Your emotional argument is clearly subverting your real objective, to condescend to those who made poor descisions about sex. Who the fuck are you to judge others as being pure evil. You are a simpled minded, pesimistic, teenage faggot who think that people always have macheovelion esce plans to overthrow all that is good. You are a dolt and should seriously fix your own apparent life problems and stop projecting your own insecurities onto the entire human race. If everyone secretly was a leech then I fucking doubt we would be here. Everyone feels the consequences of their actions, you fucking child.
>>27922394
>tfw there are much more important things going on in the world but the pundits make this bullshit out to be a huge issue to distract from anything with consequence
I hate getting sucked into this so much
>>27922393
What you jerkin too?
>>27922386
Reduction of suffering, you gigantic faggot.
Do you really believe I think all suffering can be eliminated?
But yeah, a morality based solely on the reduction of suffering leads to a 'kill all life on the planet to avoid future suffering' scenario.
So, I'm not based solely on the reduction of suffering. Maximization of happiness is also important.
But then how do you define those things? What does a 'best case scenario' future look like?
>>27922369
>You continually call a fetus a baby and abortion as murder because you can't be bothered to make an argument on anything but raw emotion.
Because quite frankly, this is probably the only issue that only needs emotion to be argued. It's a simple issue. Is it a life, or is it not? If it's a life, then you can't kill it. If it isn't a life, then you can do whatever you want. The only question left is where you define life? For you, that seems to be where ever it becomes convenient to "reduce suffering". For me, it's, as Ben Shapiro once put it, the same way you would define life if you found it on Mars. If you found single celled organisms on Mars, you've found life.
>It's idiots like you that increase suffering in the world.
You're making an awful big statement based on only one of my views which you seem completely unable to grasp for some reason.
>The puritans created so much suffering with their stupid fucking religious sticks-up-their-collective-asses that we're still seeing the effects today.
I'd also argue against that, but that's not the topic at hand, so let's leave it out of this.
>>27913873
Is this an abortion thread in general and not just for Twi?
>>27922419
literally what the fuck are you on about?
I just don't want you fuckers killing kids. claiming that I'm projecting insecurity isn't an argument you fucking moron. I don't care if you have sex or not, just be prepared to take responsibility for it. read the fucking thread shit lord, these should outline my points for you pretty well
>>27922224
>>27922331
>>27922421
Oh yeah, it's definitely one of those big divisive social issues the sociopaths in charge use to distract the masses while they sell our futures for a quick buck.
What issues should we focus on? Here's my list:
Campaign finance reform.
Changing the voting system from First-Past-The-Post to literally anything else.
Government Corruption.
What to do about the clusterfuck that is the middle east.
Climate Change.
>Looks at first half of posts
This is interesting...
>Looks at second half
...
You fucked it up!
>>27922452
It's a thread about 4chan on the board specifically designated for autists. What did you think would happen?
>>27922439
It's a pony pictures make this thread relevant thread.
>>27922447
America?
>>27922463
*It's a thread about abortion on 4chan
Really screwed the pooch on that one.
>>27922447
those are all memes to bruh, you need to go deeper
>the federal reserve
>globalism and statism epidemic
>nation building and other interventionist policy
>ending corporatism and other Keynesian policy and freeing the markets
>mass surveillance
>>27922432
>It's a simple issue. Is it a life, or is it not?
>The only question left is where you define life?
Sentence One: "a life"
Sentence Two: "life"
I'm not sure if you were trying to pull a bait-and-switch here, or if you actually have the two conflated in your head.
It makes the most sense to reduce suffering when it is convenient. Grab the low-hanging fruit first. Abortion being legal AND accessible in a country shows huge benefits, decreasing crime and poverty drastically about one generation after it is made legal.
>>27922446
I've read it. Its a bunch of subverting shit. All you have is
>muh babies
Well then. Why is killing kids bad? I'm not saying its good. Really, explain to me why killing ones own children is a bad thing to you. That would be an interesting argument.
>>27922472
While I agree these are important, I prefer to attack the roots of these issues first. Namely, that government is in bed with big business due to legal bribery in the form of campaign finance. Cut out the root of the weed first, then kill the rest of it.
>>27922486
because it is an act of aggression against another human being, because you are taking life from something that never had a chance at it. You are blatantly attacking a living, sentient, sovereign being, and that is inherently wrong. It did not agrees against you first, it only inconvenienced you, and now you're going to kill it. This doesn't go just for babies but for all humans, don't fuck with me and I won't fuck with you, that's the idea.
>>27922486
Thank you for posting this. If you can't make an argument why killing CHILDREN is bad beyond authoritative declarations like 'thou shall not kill', you have no leg to stand on for any moral argument
>>27922493
but anon big business isn't the issue, it is the instrument with which it uses to control the people; the state, that is the problem and must be minimized or best case,eliminated
>>27922493
How much you wanna bet Mr. and Ms. Cake considered abortion. Fuck, they barely run the most popular, and crowded food stop in Ponyville with only 3 employees. Now add twins onto that, and Jesus what a nightmare.
>>27922501
That was an incoherent, rambling mess.
Remember that we agree here, killing CHILDREN is bad.
You're making authoritative declarations and a circular argument- killing is bad because killing is bad. Try again.
>>27922501
Why though. All I hear are vague statements of 14 year old wisdom. I want hard fucking analysis on how societies functions, and how infant mortality effects them.
>>27921446
It's not a baby yet. This early in the game, it's basically an internal growth, a clump of cells. Basically, a tumor.
You all are arguing about abortion with a show about cartoon ponies that was created for young children.
I think instead of questioning why abortion is right/wrong, I think you all should be questioning your lives in general
>>27922537
Sounds like you are describing a parasite
>>27922515
Eliminated? Nigger, there are over 7 billion people on this mud ball. Most of them are complete fucking animals that are only kept in check with force.
Sure, in small groups we get along mostly okay. Put two independent groups next to each other, though, and you can be certain they'll start killing one another.
>>27922528
dude you're just spouting buzz words you don't understand and claiming that my argument is flawed in principal so you don't have to make any real arguments. Fucking tell me how killing it's wrong if you're so God damn smart.
also my argument is based on the idea that violating the NAP is wrong, not necessarily murder. Are you trying to invalidate my arguments by somehow proving I'm a christfag or some shit?
>>27922480
Sentence One: "an apple"
Sentence Two: "apples"
Apples are apples. Life is life. You define a single life by what you define all life. I don't get what's confusing about this.
>It makes the most sense to reduce suffering when it is convenient.
Ok, sure. Reduce suffering when the chips fall into place that would make doing so most convenient. I agree with that. What I don't agree with is that killing people--innocent people--is the right way to go about this.
>Grab the low-hanging fruit first.
By the time you've finished plucking all of it, the fruit at the top has either been eaten by someone else or has fallen out of the tree and rotted. Choose your battles more wisely than that.
>>27922528
Killing the next generation is obviously bad. I just want a clear explination on how modern abortions are effecting our modern society.
The government still needs a fucking draft. Your perspective on human life would probably change if you were sent of to be slaughtered along with thousands. Sometimes you have to step back from your feel good fantasies and face the fact that we are simple creatures who elvoved enough self awarness to bicker, but there is still a clear goal to life, and that is to progate it. We are looking for the best way to do that. Having a fun fuffiling life is only a factor that makes you a more happy and productive meat packer.
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>>27922528
Btw I wasnt talking to you, I was just jumping off of what you said
>>27922515
I STAND WITH RAND BECAUSE RAND STANDS FOR ME
DEFEAT THE WASHINGTON MACHINE, UNLEASH THE AMERICAN DREAM
CAN'T HANDLE THE RANDAL
RAND PAUL FOR PRESIDENT 2020
>>27920501
to be fair, given she IS a magical princess... Plus, following her through a mirror at the base of a statue isn't so bad. If she's just crazy, you don't go through and you laugh about it later.
If she's right, well... Time to adjust to horselife.
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>>27921380
>Camilla
>Putting out for a guy
Riiiight. And I'm sure Vlad Tepes was happy to convert to Islam.
>>27922573
I should probably also stop because I'm too lazy to spellcheck and that last one is incoherent due to it.
>>27922557
that's a very pessimistic view there pal, if we can manage to instill within the people the idea that one should own his own and not tread on his neighbor, then we will no peace, however when the few who do feel the need to be violent do so, then the people who adhere to the ideas of non aggression will rally themselves against the threats. I believe in a voluntary society of armed individuals who are determined not to be victims.
it's about as idealistic as it gets but I believe we can achieve it with a shit ton of effort, but I'm willing to settle with minarchy if that's as good as it's really gonna get
>>27922560
Sentient creatures with limited ability can work more efficiently and enter into mutually beneficial agreements if they don't have to worry about being killed by others.
This increases productive output of the group more than each of the individuals working independently, leaving more time for activities not related to basic survival.
Modern society is thus founded on our expectations of not being killed by other people. While this contract is violated occasionally, if it reaches too high of a threshold the society at large will begin to break down. Such an event would massively increase suffering.
>>27922597
It is pesimistic to believe that ANYONE is working against the greater good. We see it in movies and shot all of the time, but just think about it. How would your life go if you were literally an evil leech in everything that you did. You would probably be dead by now, or at least have a misrable life. Apply that same standard to EVERYONE, and I think you'll see that most people are trying yo be good a productive.
>>27920775
Oh my god, it's the current year; get with the times sheep!
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>>27922557
This could've been a good thread
But you fuckers just had to let the autism take over, didn't you?
>>27922621
>using Ben the islam appologist and painfully mediocre actor Afflek to prove a point
>>27922563
You know damn well that "A Life" and "Life" are very different things, and not simply a pluralization. You're not convincing anyone.
>Choose your battles more wisely than that.
"Low hanging fruit" is a turn of phrase, you autistic moron.
>>27922621
the leftists started it
>>27922613
are you say that in order to minimize suffering we need to stop valuing life? That is definable sociopathic, and not to mention senseless.
>>27922637
I have no idea what you mean
>>27917948
I don't know what you're talking about, that sounds amazing.
>>27922643
How did you get that out of the post you replied to? Are you being intentionally dense?
I just explained why a society in which killing is normal can not possibly survive as a whole.
>>27922670
so if that's the stance then how can you want to perpetuate the normalization of the murder of children?unless you're a different dude because if so that was very helpful
>>27922638
"A life" and "life" are not different at all. If something is alive, it has life. Are you alive? Are you a life? Then you are filled with life. You are life. We are all life. What the fuck do you have against life?
>>27922160
BECAUSE IT DOESNT HAVE A BRAIN YOU IGNORAMOUS! Nor a heart! It has none of the parts that would make it considered a human. Second trimester abortions are iffy, since it's kind of half and half there, hence why it's a state by state basis. First trimesters? Nothing. There is no humanity, sentience or thought going on there.
And just... Have you ever been pregnant or given birth? Have you ever FEARED doing either of these things knowing that complications can always arise, even though our infant mortality rate is low, it still exists.
It's not your body, you have no idea what these other people are going through because in your limited world view, you can't possibly fathom that other people might be in a horrific situation compared to you, nor do you seem to care that you will never fully understand the issue firsthand, but still think your opinion is more important than those that do.
In conclusion, shut the fuck up.
>>27922715
Is a sperm 'A life'? No. Is it 'life'? Yes.
You're a fucking idiot. Please kill yourself.
>>27922687
I don't advocate the murder of children.
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>>27922736
sup femanon, you're totally right, I never have nor will I ever be pregnant, and that's why I think this argument is so stupid, it should be a women only issue :^)
also it doesn't matter what it has "yet", the potential for life is what makes the baby a baby, what it can be.
Can someone delete this thread so we can try again?
>>27922760
no
if you make another one people will just argue there too.
this is a green you will never have, and it's all the fault of the pundits
>>27922740
Sperm isn't a cell. It, and the egg it combines with in the womb, are both half cells. They are not life in the same way that viruses are not life. When they combine in the womb and form a full cell (the child) they become life.
>>27922760
You're free to write some green yourself. Don't be such a baby.
>>27922777
Don't be such a fetus
>>27922773
They're cells. Gametes specifically.
But fine, if you're going to be diploid-centric about it...
A nerve cell is life. A nerve cell is not 'a life'.
>>27920775
fml
ill rape your sister and your mum
then your opinion will change
>>27922736
I will never be pregnant, but that doesn't mean I have no say in the matter. If it were my child, well, it's my child. Half of its genetic makeup is me. I'd be putting in just as much if not more work into raising that child. To say I have no say in what happens to it because I don't know the pain my wife is going through is fucking retarded. As for it being other women and other babies, I also don't have to understand what the woman is going through to understand murder is wrong. If the woman's life isn't at risk, then she can fucking put up with being pregnant for 10 months. It's not the end of the world. It's not the end of her life. She doesn't need to kill someone because she doesn't want to be inconvenienced for less than a fucking year.
>>27922792
No, it won't. My mother is all out of eggs at this point and I've already had to deal with my sister birthing the child of a man I truly hate. Do I hate my niece? Would I ever want her dead? No.
Now, don't let that fool you. If you ever raped my mother or my sister, I wouldn't give them the chance to jail you. I'd kill you myself.
>>27922814
now look who's advocating murder
>>27913873
>Not slipping contraceptives in her drink the morning after just to be sure.
>>27922798
There's that word again. Inconvenienced. How do you know it's only an inconvenience? How do you know this? You've never done this before and you never will. What you do with your own relationship isn't up to me to decide. why should you have more say than everyone else? Than the people who pushed roe v wade to the Supreme Court, the doctors who want to keep it legal so back alley abortions that result in the death of the mother don't happen, than the actual women who go through pregnancy, than a descent portion of the country? How are you so arrogant that you think your opinion is the standard for everyone, even those you can't understand the situations of?
I know I can't change your opinion on whether or not this is morally wrong. But know that people fought for a right to do this in at least the first trimester in the US, and you can't do a damn thing about it.
>>27922830
>not pushing her down the stairs at 7 months
>>27922824
I never said killing was wrong. What I said was I'm against the killing of innocents. A child born of an atrocity has done nothing wrong. The people who caused it to begin with deserve punishing. Bottom line: You hurt my family and you're no longer innocent. Live with the consequences.
>>27922798
Did you know that being pregnant puts a huge strain on the mother and can impact her lifespan?
I'm going to guess you didn't know that, because you're a fucking idiot.
>>27922886
Let me tell you something else that impacts your lifespan.
Existing.
Every time a cell reproduces, it runs the risk of getting one line of code wrong and giving you fucking cancer. Gee, better just kill yourself. Wouldn't want that darn existence to impact your lifespan.
Also, how big of an impact are we talking? My grandmother lived to be 93. My uncle's mother is 97 and still kicking. My friend's grandmother is nearing 100. Women in, I believe it's Okinawa, but I could be wrong, live past 120 and still find the strength to farm with their families. I'd say lifespan depends more on lifestyle than how long you had a human brewing inside you. I don't know, maybe I'm just not seeing what you're trying to get me to see, but I don't think pregnancy has a large impact on lifespan if it has any at all. You're free to prove me wrong if you could link me to some medical studies.
>>27922830
Fucking this
>Notice hole poked in condom as I'm tossing it out.
>Oh really now?
>Grind up contraceptive pill into her OJ in the morning.
>Drink up bitch.
>>27913873
We can keep the kid if we go back to Equestria.
Fuck this planet, I'd rather not have my child murdered or raped by refugees.
>>27922925
You know ehat else impacts a life?
Being born.
As in it's not life till it's born.
Argue as much as you like but you've already lost. Abortions will happen and you can't do anything about it
>>27922954
Just because something happens doesn't make it right. Remember when slavery was a thing here? Remember Muslims crusading through Europe? Remember those BLM marches that chanted for the deaths of cops? Remember women having the right to vote?
>>27922970
Completely different things.
It's a woman's right to remove a tumour from her body.
That tumour has no rights until it is born therefore cannot be murdered.
>>27922980
Humans have a terrible track record for deciding what is and what isn't human on their property. What you're saying is the exact same thing slavers were saying for tens of thousands of years in every civilization cross the globe.
"It's on my property so I say it's not human and I can do what I want with it."
The sheer arrogance in that statement alone makes me sick. Just because a human exists on your property or, in this case, within your property, does not give you the right to devalue its life. Don't give me that shit about how it's just a tumor. It's a child. Have you ever held one in your arms? Have you ever felt that connection to another being? No, I doubt it. You've probably never been within twenty yards of a baby. Let's make it a little more personal then. Go in the mirror and think about your life--I mean really mull over it--and then ask your self what would have happened if your parents aborted you. Everything you've ever done, everything you've ever felt, all the lives you've touched, it all goes. Everything dies with you. How can you, in good conscience, kill an innocent child and rob it of the opportunity to live as you have?
>>27922798
>unwillingly forced to bring to term and birth an unwanted child for 9 months
>INCONVENIENT
>>27922834
>Not giving Cletus a 12 pack of beer to beat the shit out of her and rape her.
Yay, this thread is going to hell, so I might as well speed up the ride.
There are two main arguments against abortion: the "life starts at conception" argument and the "potential life" argument. Let me explain why both are flawed.
Firstly, the "life starts at conception" argument. Those bunch of cells that start forming once a zygote is created are about as alive as your skin cells. Now, if I was to have an injection, I would probably kill a few of my skin cells. Would you call me a murderer? Of course, my skin cells aren't going to form into a baby any time soon, unlike the zygote, but then you're using the "potential life" argument. Talking of which:
The "potential life" argument. The idea here is that if you didn't have an abortion, then a child would have been born, and so by having an abortion you have "denied it the right to live". While definitely true, this argument has some dangerous implications if you actually think about it. Under that same argument, contraception is also denying a child the right to live as if you didn't have that condom on, you would have had a child, and so by using contraception, you have denied a child the right to live. This logic isn't too rare, as Catholics are opposed to contraception (excluding Pope Frank's comments), however, this logic can been taken even further. Under the "denied the riht to live" logic, abstinence is technically immoral. No, really, think about it: every moment of her a life a woman doesn't spend being pregnant, she is technically denying a potential child the right to live. So, in other words, a woman has to be pregnant all the time if this "potential life" argument is to be valid.
>>27915717...KICK!
>>27913873
The average man sheds a billion sperm cells every month.
A billion potential lives, all gone.
Why is a potential life so much more important when it's a zygote?
>>27913873
A fertilized egg cell is considered life in science.
>>27923478
>A zygote is just a clump of cells
Yoyre just a clump of cells.
>It's as alive as your skin cells
Skin cells are dead. Theres nibargunebt that can be made for their life one way or the other. That comparison was retarded.
>>27916411
>right winged
>having anything to do with niggers leaving almost all their children in a broken house
not my fault
>>27920775
>Not wanting the freshest aborted fetuses for your smoothie.
>>27913873
Coming back to this thread after refusing to continue the green only makes me think of a single, monumental phrase:
>you could have prevented this
Twilight would be so disappointed in all of us.
>>27925811
Twilight would be overjoyed to see discussion and arguments instead of drones going "bump" for 16 hours between the scare posts of a writefag.
>>27925506
T-that's really just a banana strawberry smoothie, right?
