Why do we hate hasbro?
>>27739962
They C&D stuff and show little care for how licensees handle this.
There's a reason they're called Hasjew.
>>27739962
>we
If you were one of "us", you wouldn't have to ask.
>>27739967
>They C&D stuff
How dare they protect their IP! We should just live in a world where oeople do whatever they want!
>>27740027
Capcom only shuts down things that paywall their content.
because the new guardians of harmony shenanigans looks obnoxious
>>27740063
And Hasbro was C&D'ing stuff that could have presented an issue to their brand. Adult body pillows, fighting games, crossovers with other properties, etc. It's a fucking business, of course they want to protect their assets whenever they see sonething.
>>27740071
Explain Jan then.
>>27739962
Besides being legally dreadful with fan content, Hasbro has largely been root cause for driving unneeded advertising in show. They've pushed EqG Twilicorn, and Flurry to name a few of their controversial decisions. These problems run deep into the show, the narrative has been largely shifted because of toys. One can agrue about the quality of their but we all can't deny Hasbro's mistakes.
>>27740071
Worse than Capcom.
>>27740117
Hasbro has always been in this to sell toys. The narrative still exists to accommodate new toys or gimmicks. I agree that the narrative has been hurt, but Hasbro isn't selling a narrative. If certain elementsof harmonyof the narrative can be overshadowed, changed, etc in order to place a toy, so what.
>>27740373
>If certain elements of harmony of the narrative can be overshadowed, changed, etc in order to place a toy, so what.
>It doesn't matter that Hasbro force the staff to change things so much for the worse that they become virtually unrecognisable.
Kill yourself, fuckface.
>>27740534
Acording to Jim Miller, all changes made to Fim were introduced by the staff itself and they never suffered any executive meddling issue, ever.
>>27740644
>Trust me goy, Hasbro dindu nuffin, it's all DHX.
>>27739962
>SHILL MORE TOYS
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>>27739962
They spawned the envious communistic hasdrones.
They put a subsidiary company in charge full of gays, idiots, retards. (mike vogel, stephen davis, brian lenard, sarah wall, etc.)
They give a total of zer0 % absolute fucks about their own franchises. They prefer to buy companies(Wizard of the Coast) and let them handle it.
They'd rather let a mental retard(michael bay) handle their blockbuster franchises instead of letting a genuine talent take care of their franchises.
>>27739962
They're just generally bad people. They also run Wizards and several people I know who've worked for them either had to threaten to sue them to get what they were promised or had to complain for a year.
>>27739962
Because Jews
>>27739962
I thought it was obvious
>>27740071
if I recall right the only thing Ankama has ever C&D'd was Zone's animated parody, and they only did that after some retard spammed it on their forums and they lost the ability to plausibly deny knowledge of it's existence.
I understand why they make a lot of the decisions they do, but forcing really inappropriate shit in and forcing the writers to find a way around it is the worst kind of meddling with the creative process. I think it'd be better if they had a list of shit to put into a season, since the writers would have more leeway to find a way to fit it in in a more non-intrusive way.
Twilight's new castle is a prime example, since the old library was really awkwardly removed and the new castle clashes with the aethstetics of Ponyville.
>>27739962
We don't hate Hasbro. We just hate you.
>>27741317
>forcing the writers to find a way around it is the worst kind of meddling with the creative process.
No that's the fucking problem. They don't even let them handle their retarded ideas in a good execution.
The big fat sociopathic executive just takes the script and edits it himself like a retard and tells the writer to fuck off and not write a thing by himself without the executive's input.
Not being able to do your job is the worst kind of scum-ridden meddling. Basically Hasbro forces DHX to look the other way as the retarded executives at Hasbro Studios keep sabotaging their own franchise, while Brian Goldner doesn't give even 1/900 of a fuck.
>>27740092
His work looked exactly like their own show and got really, really popular? Let's not forget that Fighting is Magic only got C&D'ed after it got voted to a spot at EVO. After a certain point, Hasbro (as per the law) can no longer ignore these things.
>>27739962
They promote talentless degenerates which sabotage their franchises. Similar to us.
>>27741406
Mega Man Unlimited looks exactly like the NES Mega Man games.
>>27740800
>They'd rather let a mental retard(michael bay) handle their blockbuster franchises instead of letting a genuine talent take care of their franchises.
This is why fanboys are terrible at thinking what companies need to do.
Ha ha. We all have heard it a million times. Michael Bay sucks. However, the reason he's still around (in addition to a Paramount contract, it's not always Hasbro beung literally Hitler) is because his movies are making money. That's it. A business exists first to make money, it doesn't matter anything else. Stop pretending you know better, you don't.
>>27741381
I give up, I don't care if I'm considered a shill or whatever. But this show is Hasbro property, not the writers. It literally exists as a toy commercial, it's part of the writer's job to introduce toy mandates. It's what they're supposed to do. A lot of you seem to forget that fact and honestly I have no idea why. Several other Hasbro series did a fine job of introducing toy mandates well, but honestly here it's a case of shitty writers who can't, and people like you who think the show belongs to the writers, not Hasbro.
The show itself is just a vessel to sell toys. If it can't write toy mandates well, it's the fault of the writers, as the show exists for the toys, unlike other series.
>>27740865
>They're just generally bad people.
Where are you pulling this from, the same source that says they've been given an award for the most ethical company for like 4 years in a row? Where are you pretending you have proof for them being bad people?
Like ai said, I don't give a shit, go call me a shill. I'm just trying to introduce a bit of logic, as one of the worst things I've seen is a fanbase pretending they know better than a company, and could run things better when they forget money comes first in the business world.
If you still hate toy mandates, fine. But at least try to see things with a business eye. Toy mandates exist to keep toys selling, so the show keeps going.
>>27739962
Gack
>>27739962
They give us this wonderful thing, but C&D the best creations made by the fandom.
It's like taking your dog outside, putting a leash on him and tying him to a tree and putting a bowl of treats just out of reach.
It's just cruel to tantalize us like this, only to cuck us when we finally make something great.
>>27739962
>"Obey Goylight Sparkle."
>"You ARE excited for more eqg."
>"You WILL call Discovery Family your master."
>>27739967
They don't CD much at all honestly. Theres a lot of people who make a living drawing porn or putting shit on youtube with hasbros ip.
They let Micheal Bay produce Transformers movies.
>>27739962
On one hand, Hasbro gave Faust the freedom to decide how MLP would be reimagined.
http://www.equestriadaily.com/2011/09/exclusive-season-1-retrospective.html
>As an aside: Granted, the restrictions made under the Education/Informative label forced the writers to be more clever about things, but it was a happy circumstance and not a redeeming quality for Hasbro. It explains why from seasons 2 on that the show could do more things, but it still felt different.
The other is when it took that freedom away when she wanted the show to go more of a 50-50 adventure/slice of life show. Faust was upset with the product placement, the show's direction and the changes on how she would influence the franchise. She was stressed from the hectic schedule that she was put under. Hasbro used her. Hasbro then wanted more control and they got it.
"No large company wants something they can't own and control completely."-Lauren Faust
http://www.equestriadaily.com/2013/05/lauren-faust-answers-bunch-of-questions.html
As time goes on, you can (subjective opinions here!) see her get more and more bitter and closed as time progresses, even from just these two Q&As.
It's sad. I think it's ironic that you're bitching about bad kickstarters and patreons when all you're doing is reaffirming the old notion that everything has to be done under these glorified gatekeepers. If only Faust would smarten up and do her own thing. Aren't there other animators doing that?
And Larson was upset that so many changes were made by Hasbro to the episode where Twilight got her wings. It might have soured him enough for him to make his own franchise with blackjack and hookers.
Those are my personal reasons.
That and everytime we have a thread about this, the usual response is a mixture of /pol/posting propaganda about da jooz, fandumb pandering content about your fetishes and headcannons, and 4chan's general whining and ad hominem that places it on the bottom of the retard barrel.
Because they create MLP:FiM and ruin our life creating QT ponies waifus than will never be real
>>27741817
the ownership of the show was never in question, but as an animation it is at it's core still a creative or artistic good. Harming it's quality for the sake of commercial reasons when an easy compromise could exist harms both ends of the spectrum. It damages the IP and it drops in quality, which in turn harms sales because it wont be as popular.
Additionally, the moment any project starts to involve other people it stops being yours and becomes collaborative effort. Not in the legal sense but in the sense of how things develop. A classic rookie mistake is attempting to remain in total control of a project when others get involved. Control must be maintained for the sake of creative direction, but total control will only ever lead to failure or a failure to reach its potential.
Hasbro has and should continue to use the show to sell toys, but I think they should work WITH the writers instead of giving them short term mandates for this kind of thing. Im sure the people involved could've found a less intrusive way of including a crystal castle for Twilight, but because they were trying to assert total control, we ended up with a very forceful, rushed story to explain it. this harmed the brand.
>>27742362
Them's Fighting Herds has a subpar story though. I don't think I would enjoy it as much as FIM.
Faust has good ideas, but if I was executive producer on one of her projects I would want some control over some of her ideas.
>>27742479
Then I think we have two different perspectives. I see it as the writers are working for Hasbro almost as their employees, and you seem to see it's a joint operation of teams working for each other. That's a valid point of view, but I can't say I see it as such myself.
>>27739962Derpy gate
>>27742498
there's a distinction between the legal and formal relationships between people and companies and the creative and artistic side to things.
we've seen this happen a lot, a director or company tries to exert too much control over a project and ends up ruining it. Sure, it's their legal and formal right as owners, but is that the right way to handle things?
it's more of a philosophical and artistic power relation than a formal or legal one.
I understand your point of view that Hasbro is the legal owner and they can do with it what they want, I just dont think it´s wise to actually exercise power like that to such an extent. Co-operation is more mutually beneficial.
>>27739962
They're such pieces of shits that they stole Faust's designs and she couldn't kickstart her own cartoon series anymore.
>>27743427
What are you talking about?
>>27739962
Maybe I'm stupid European, but I heard that in US, if company doesn't actively protect infrigments of their (not sure if copyright or trademark) they are gonna lose it? Doesn't it make them hostages of the tardemark if they want some tolrance/freedom of creation around it?
>>27744550
from what I remember with Wakfuck, if a product is so similar it can be mistaken with the product of the copyright holder, the copyright holder has to defend their IP and demand the product is taken down. Ankama had plausible denyability regarding the parody but that ended when someone started posting it all over their forums.
Either way, if youre afraid of C&D's, dont let the world know your project exists till its done.
>>27739962
Why does /r9k/ hate women?
Why does /pol/ hate Jews?
Why does the wind blow?
It just is anon, it just is.
>>27742482
>Them's Fighting Herds has a subpar story though
In your opinion.
>>27745533
Yes, but in all seriousness, the story seems to be up for contention and this is why Faust needs supervision to make something that will appeal to many rather than few.
I also liked The Phantom Menace, was George Lucas better off without supervision?
>>27744640
You are confusing copyright with trademark. Fan works do not risk the copyright holder's ability to keep ahold of their copyright, only what they are allowed to take down.
Capcom, for example, has pretty much given up their ability to take down a fan game solely due to its nature due to how many they knowingly allow to exist. That doesn't mean you can paywall a fan game, as Capcom will still shutdown fan games that paywall themselves.
>>27745799
I didn't actually realize there was a difference between the two, thank you Anon.
>>27745811
Now companies DO have to protect their trademark to keep it from falling into the public domain which actually does comprise the names of all of the main characters barring Fluttershy.
Many companies such as Riot Games and Microsoft actually have open IP usage policies which essentially is their way of telling the public how their IP is to be used.
This is actually a win win for all parties involved as it allows the public to use the companies' IP without fear of legal takedowns, it reduces the amount of work that the company's legal team needs to do to protect how their IP is used AND it can be used to in court help the copyright owner as evidence.
Because Hasbro's IP usage policy is essentially (all IP usage is forbidden without permission), their legal team essentially has to take down all infringing content. It is a small possibility that if Hasbro was to ever go in court, the amount of unauthorized content they let through could backfire if they were to lose, essentially causing them to not be able to C&D anything else.
