I am an aspiring ar tfag
I need help with making my drawings more cleaner and polished. I just don't know a good way of going about it.
Pic related is one of my drawings.
>>27643046
I dunno, try lining it. Your sketch there seems pretty good as it is.
>>27643086
I know i didn't point it out in the description, but do the hooves seem a bit small? Or are they okay?
Bumping because c'mon guys I need help...
>>27643046
Adorable.
>>27643101
It depends I guess, normally I'd say yes, but even so you seem to have a unique style going on with the noze and weirdly shaped ear. Isn't this pony supposed to be a doll? Her having stubby hooves would make a bit more sense in that case.
>>27643801
yeah shes supposed to b e a doll...
pic realted it the cutie
>>27643801
Oh and thank you for the feedback! I really want to improve on my art, and I get little to no feedback on my art...so thank you!
Final bump in case anyone has something to comment...
If you're looking for clean, get your linework on. Find a good inking pen and go to town, or drop a new layer on your file and line that shit up. If you're wanting to stay sketchy and be cleaner like... Less 20-strokes-a-curve on the first pass or whatever? That's just gonna take time and practice or whatevs, and there's nothing wrong with what you got going at the moment.Don't worry about it too much for now. It'll come.
Also, unrelated to question, but just for general artiness, try doing poses you know are gonna be a pain in the butt. Stuff from the back, stuff where the head's gonna be pointed off in odd angles where you can't necessarily see all the facial features, etc. Leave your comfort zone. It's not quite as fun as drawing cute things you're already good at, but it'll help in the long run.
>>27644598
I have some questions...I use Sai and I have no idea how to get new pens...I can look it up, but I dont know any pens that would help me make it look clean...But yes, I do like the whole sketchy style.
And also, do you think it is a good idea to use references for those uncomfortable poses?
Also thank you VERY MUCH for giving me advice...
>>27644671
SAI's fun. For pens, you can either make them yourself or pick up someone else's pen pack. When I was first learning to use it, I picked up Onta's brush pack from LK's lessons.
http://www.mediafire.com/download/rl49249gp44dm92/OBP.rar if you're interested.
For the sake of using as an exercise in anatomy and perspective, I'd say do the best you can, see if you can figure out what doesn't look right with what you've done and adjust it, but if you can't figure out how to get something to look how you think it should, don't hesitate to pull some references. No point in torturing yourself when a few minutes of googling can take 'why the hell isn't this working' to 'oh DUH, it bends the other way'. Never ever ever feel like you can't use references of any type.
>>27644708
Okie, I understand only use refrenceses when I'm stuck on a drawings' anatomy...And I will try and see if I can download at put that into sai...
Really, thank you!! I didn't think I'd get someone on 4chan giving me THIS much advice and help! Thank you!!
>>27644767
More like use references when you need 'em, but whatever ends up working for you.
And no prob. We're not all shitty bastards all the time. Just most of us most of the time. Go art some arts, bud.
>>27644795
I will, and maybe you'll see my art around this board!
Thank you!!
Well this thread seemed to have wrapped up nicely. Hope to see more from you soon, drawfag.
>>27643046
Surprised Raggie thread.
>>27645474
Oh shit
Alright I'm up for it! I finished up the drawing and made it darker and added a little things...
Since this is a advice thread. I've been using Krita for a month and a half for now, and I'm barely starting out as an digital artist. Should I switch to a different program?
>>27645636
Yo same person who drew the Raggie here...
I really suggest staring with Sai...not only because it's extremely easy to download, but also because it's extremely user friendly and easy to use!
>>27645636
Got any examples of your art?
>>27645640
A different artfag altogether. Thanks of the advice though.
>>27645648
Wait you drew that?
>>27645655
Yeah
>>27645658
...just...practice...some...more...
>>27645655
I'm >>27645658. The process of learning to draw digitally has been a struggle, so I only have a few digital works that don't look wonky. Pic related is another one to prove I'm not stealing.
>>27645668
Some? I'm I bad in any way? I'm getting mixed signals.
>>27645682
Am I bad in any way*
>>27645675
Alright I'm the one who drew the Raggie in the beginning of the thread...
Why not start small with sketches? Find a style that you like and that looks good first...and I know a lot of artists are against it, but if you have to, use stabilizers...but don't get used to it...
>>27645682
Just for clarity, if you see someone using ellipsis a lot, it's me, aka the person who drew Raggie on this thread...
Aka this one >>27645562
>>27645685
I've been drawing ponies for a year and a half now. I feel comfortable with the style I use, but I guess I can try to change it/
>>27645702
If your comfy with it, then don't change it...but refine it...make sure your characters don't look to flat, or make sure it's proportioned right...I know it a problem I still have...
>>27645696
>if you see someone using ellipsis a lot
dont do that.
>>27645696
I've taken a notice to your writing format. Thanks.
>>27645711
Fuck I know, it's a really fucking bad habit.
>>27645675
Digital drawing takes a good while to get used to, but that's par for the course. In fact, it really feels like learning to draw all over again. Don't discouraged, though. That's where most everyone fails, is in the patience. Just keep practicing long and hard enough and you'll get to where you want to be. You're looking pretty solid already, pal. Just mind the advice up top, stick with it and you're set.
>>27643046
>>27645562
Anon, drop the chicken scratch "sketch" look; that form of "art style" will only hinder your progress later on.
You need to practice smooth, continuous lines, which will boost your line confidence and eye coordination.
>>27645636
>>27645640
The program you use hardly matters, they're just tools. The more you use them, the better you get at them.
That being said, photoshop, sai, and gimp are the main programs that people use, so there's more tutorials on those programs than others.
Sai is a program made for art, while photoshop can be used for art. Gimp is the retarded cousin, but I've seen people make great shit with it.
Again, the output of the tool depends on your skill; if you're shit then it doesn't matter what program you use because it's going to be shit regardless.
>>27645702
>>27645710
Reminder that leaving your comfort zone is part of getting good.
Christ, you all sound like newfags.
>>27645731
Well thank you for being real with us! Not gonna lie, all I've been doing sketching, I'll start pushing for more cohesive lines...thank you!
>>27645741
Speaking of tools, you'll be able to ride a professional career on normal tablets. The Wacom Intuos line rules, and is the general professional standard. The Cintiqs (real expensive moniter tablets you draw directly on) are sick as hell but will not make you a better artist. What you're buying those for is for speed, usually. Anything that can be done on a cintiq can be done with Intuos. They're just another tool, like anon said. It's up to the individual to make it work.
>>27645562
Adorable.
I like how loose your line is for sketching, you just need some confidence and to keep practicing. Go into your drawing program, make a new layer and try outlining a few quick sketches.
One main tip i'd give is, try not to do this on the right of my picture. Going from thin to thick on every line. It seems common when drawing on a tablet and it makes the form look very weak and flat. Keep the line consistent.
Keep it up. Like with everything in drawing, you'll find your stride once you've practiced enough.
>>27646000
>Dis being based
>also trips
This thread is blessed
>>27646000
>>27646032
Hold on a min. Dis is actually giving a shit about someone other than himself?
Oh nvm it's just cause OP was drawing his oc . That explains it
>>27646134
Don't start.
>>27646134
>He's only here because someone's drawing his OC! What a self centred cunt!
On the flip side, if he went around tripfagging everywhere you'd call him an attention whore, so which is it? What's with the massive hate boner for the guy?
>>27646000
Thank you!! I didn't know I was drawing the little patch on Raggies head wrong...ill be sure to fix it up and out line a sketch...but I just really don't know how, like, how do you make a sketch into straight dark likes??
>>27646687
I don't mind! I needed help drawing Raggie so the CrEaTor of Raggie showed up and helped me out! It was really sweet of him/her! (Don't know the artists gender.)
>>27647382
I don't think he was talking about the patch, just the line weight. See, when you draw with a tablet, most of the time they can detect the pressure you're using, and will adjust how thick the line is accordingly. He's just saying when you do draw linework, keep the pressure (and thus the line weight) consistent.
As for how to outline your sketch in SAI; add another layer to your file and click it. You can then draw over that layer without messing up your original sketch. Use the sketch as a guideline for where a single, solid line should go. Pick a brush with nice, dark, high opacity strokes, and try to get each curve done in one continuous motion. If it doesn't look how you want when you've finished the stroke, hit undo and try it again. If you've got spare buttons on your tablet near where your other hand rests, I'd suggest binding the undo command to one.
>>27647512
>>27647382
Oh, follow up to this about line weight; if you use high stabilizer settings in SAI, but your actual stroke is faster than the program's, and you have pen pressure->line weight functionality, it'll end up tapering off like crazy after you pick up your stylus, so watch for that. Try to avoid high stabilizers if you can. As big a fan of 'use whatever tools are at your disposal' as I am, that will end up hindering you some later on.
>>27647512
>>27647536
Got it! Okay, pressure on my pad is an important thing to keep in mind! I'll see if I can put these things into my drawing of Raggie, If this thread isn't dead yet, I'll post it here...
Other artfag here (not OP), and I recently tried out Sai. I'm shocked to find out smooth drawing is. It's smooth, like really smooth. I can compare the situation to just finding out you could use lubricant, when all this time I've been going rawmasturbation wise.It is a shame, I actually like using Krita. All the features fleshed out the program perfectly. Krita is a top of the line painting program, but suffers from rugged, slow brush speed. Like I said, Krita is great for painting- it has a full array of convenient painting tools and other nifty features- and I would recommend it fully someone who ISN'T a beginner.
>>27648962
Anyways, I'm going to something out of Sai soon.
>>27648983
Can you post any examples of your art?
>>27649046
I've posted
>>27645675
>>27645648
>>27649126
Oh...that art, well yeah, try drawing/sketching with Sai...
>>27649167
On it, OP.
I outlined it, my first time doing this...I have no idea if it is better or not...
Alternatively to OP, I'm in the sketching phase. I think that the back hind leg looks a bit small. Any advice?
>>27650905
Forgot pic
>>27650922
idk it looks good...it looks like its part of your style...i like it...
>>27650943
Thank you, none the less.
I'm wondering if we should move this thread or crosslink it to the draw thread. But, the situation in "Twilight Time" might come up. I think that it's nice ith a few anons, but more people could mean more critiques. Although, the focus could be divided.I know, I sound like a autist.
>>27651053
I say go for it! I would love to have more people give me advice on my drawings...
>>27646687
What if he helped other novice artist as anon instead?
>what's up with massive hate boner?
He fucked me and didn't call back. And I get jealous when people suck his ego's dick.
>>27651097
I'll do so, OP. Also, your drawing is shaping. I would say to be less frantic and slower with your line work, but I take it that you know that already.
>>27651427
Thank you for your feedback...what do you mean by doing it less frantically? Any advice on how to do that?
>>27651577
Just somebody else said, try keeping your lines consistent, solid.
>>27645696
mystery niggas
>>27651690
Okay but how...not asking for you to spoon feed me...just that i have no idea how to...
>>27650333
take brave long strokes.
don't try to outline with multi-able small strokes.
example
her ears you should do it with 2 line strokes.
if right handed
you start from the top tip of her ear. and draw the right line with one stroke. then do the one on the left with one stroke that's.
its always better if you draw line toward you not away from you.
remember that you can mirror / rotate the image to get a good position to start the line stroke.
you can also explore the vector option if you want.
>>27651713
Draw slower, steady your hand, and repeat strokes if it doesn't seem right. I notice that you seem to use a "scratch like" drawing technique, which is good for sketching, but I suggest not to do when lining. The stabilizers in Sai help too.
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>>27650333
I'm not an artist or anything, but I know that using longer strokes helps a lot with making your work look cleaner. Simple curves like the inner ear and the patches could be done with one stroke easily, but it's very clear that it's done with multiple.
I could actually just be talking out of my asshole.
If I'm just being a retard then I guess try analyzing sketches of good artists that you like and see what they do differently than you.
>>27651865
Nah. You hit the nail on the hammer.
I have the basis of the line work done. Oh, does anyone have guides on wings?
>>27651939
Here you go. Use references.
>>27651960
Great idea Soarinfag, if I may call you that. I'm going for a more realistic look to the wings. I'll see how I can incorporate it into my work.
>>27652034
There's probably a fuckton of bird pictures you can use. Have another pic.
If you use a fuckton of detail it might stand out from the rest of the picture. Be wary of that.
I'm telling you this because I look at a fuckton of porn, and you can tell when an artist focused most of the detail in one part of the image and sortof skimps on the rest. I just find it uncanny sometimes. Other times you can barely notice it.
>>27652070
Yeah, I notice it too. I'll be wary. For the mean time, I'm taking a break. Been locking myself away drawing today. See you tomorrow.
>>27652114
See ya brotato chip
boop
I love how all this started from me asking for advice on my Raggie drawing...I love it! A sense of community!
Good morning, mates. I've just gotten up for the day. Tings are looking lovely. I shall draw soon. Consider this a bump.
>>27652034
Alternate wing reference, just in case it helps anyone
I've started out on the wing. Is it okay? I am not sure to continue onto the other one until I'm assured that the wing looks right.
>>27643046
visualize your lines before you draw them, exercise drawing with as few lines as possible and imagine the image youre trying to draw before putting your pen/stylus now.
I have started a new sketch to do while I'm waiting for advice on the wing here>>27655772.
>>27655875
bleh I fucked up
>>27655875
im no wing expert but id do something like this. there isnt anything inherently wrong that I can spot, I'd just do it this way because I like the composition. Also more squared off hooves. Again, thats just my tastes.
OP here...I'm gonna try and line art that Raggie...I really want to learn how, I'll post my progress later!
A small bump.
Man, shouldn't we just be putting this in the draw thread?
>>27657606
We had the idea put up, and crosslinked both threads in result. No one in the tread visibly shown interest. We might merge the threads afterwards.
>>27657705
Oh well, if you tried you tried...its okay as its own thread...
Fucking hell, I can't lineart for shit...I honestly do not know how to lineart...
>>27658081
I think this was the best I can do with the drawing..I have no idea how to do this...I try and try but I do not know how to do it! Man, is it becuaes i suck?? Wtf??
>>27658081
That's fine man. It just takes practice to make your hand do what you want it to. One curve, one stroke. You can do it.
>>27658261
Is the pen im using to thick??? Do I have to clean up the sketch??/ I dont know...
>>27658081
That actually looks really good, dude. Chill.
>>27658273
Nah. The pen is fine. Just keep lining it and then deal with cleaning it up after.
>>27658273
you have a rough sketch, when your sketch is so your imagination is putting the picture together. the point of learning how to sketch with fewer, more confident lines is to clearly establish where you want those lines to be for when you start to ink. At this stage it'll usually feel like your inked version looks a lot worse to you, thats natural.
It looks fine so far, you'll have to learn how to fine tune your process and develop muscle memory. Tweaking your tools to do what you want will help too.
just take it slow and dont worry too much about the end result.
>>27658336
You're right, I need to chill...just god damn, I know this kind of thing takes time, but I just want to do it right...I shouldn't have drawn Raggie, I really love her...Like waifu level, I don't want to mess this up...
But none the less, I will keep trying on this drawing...Practice makes perfect, right?
>>27658368
thats the spirit bro, just try to enjoy the process of learning new things. I know it can be hard.
If you want we could hang out on a stream, if youre not comfortable streaming your work id be willing to.
>>27658381
i mean sure, but i don't know how to stream, and i always put on like, podcasts or some shit when I draw...
>>27658403
that's alright ill set up a stream, it'll be easy to communicate directly and maybe I can give some pointers.
https://picarto.tv/velenor
Yo if any of you want to see me draw, or give me tips n' stuff you can check my stream out...
https://picarto.tv/Booker011
There is the lineart version...I hope this is good, and if it is not, that is okay! I got TONS of practice off of this...
>>27660075
Cropped version...
>>27660100
cropped cropped version
>>27660196
>>27660100
>>27660075
good shit m8
>>27660075
looks good to me m8
>>27660246
I think I need to stop putting different amounts of pressure onto the pad when I do this...
>>27660262
you should learn to use the pressure your stylus can offer. Some programs/brushes require you to turn on the pressure sensitivity
God damn this sounds so fucking good though! I know this is supposed to be an art help thread, but c'mon! This just sounds so exiting...
>>27660852
I'd play a Hagwarders tabletop -3-
>>27660991
totally, man!! Dibs on Raggie though...
I know it probably isn't a good idea to post this on 4chan, but here is my skype, in case any of you guys wanna stay in touch...
Booker.Esquivel
Bump for tomorrow. I've been feeling like shit today.
>>27660852
What is this?
What's an adequate tablet one could use?
>>27663287
bamboo is fine. I still use an old pen&touch. it was 80 bucks at the time.
>>27663083
The planed comic series where Raggie comes from...
Aka, her >>27660100
>>27663287
Literally anything functional you can get your hands on
>>27660196
oh you
>>27663399
Are you me?
>>27663287
But yeah basically anything, as long as it's not the size of a laptop trackpad you're probably fine. If you're hurting on funds, a sketchbook and pack of ticonderogas do pretty good as well.
>>27664508
You can get a good one for cheep if you look for it...mines like, 80 bucks
>>27663665
I guessed that, I mean where's it from? What is that?
>>27664688
Oh it's from their tumblr page, Hahwarders...it's pretty empty right now though, I think there are only three pages on it, but they have a website in the works...so that's exiting!
