How would you rate the villains?
>Who's the best?
>Who's the worst?
>Best Design?
>Best motivation?
Trixie is no villain, she did nothing wrong
>>27366934
Where's Sunshit Shitter?
>>27366934
Nightmare Moon
Sombra
Nightmare Moon
Nightmare Moon
>>27366934
NMM/SG
Sombra/Tirek
Discord/NMM
Sadly, all of their motivations weren't that great. Chrysalis/NMM I guess.
>>27366934
I don't think the Windigos are really villains as much as they are metaphors. Otherwise they would be top. No darkness like the darkness within hum- ponyanity.
Best: Tirek. A lot of people will disagree, but he was fucking badass, didn't mess around or nothing. And he blew up the fucking Treebrary.
Worst: Going to subdivide this.
-Worst motivation: It's a toss-up between Nightmare Moon and Starlight. Nightmare Moon got mad at ponies for performing a vital function (sleeping) and not playing in the dark, tripping over each other and bumping into things like retards. Starlight because of a fucking friend discovering their talent.
-Worst performing: Sombra, in the current timeline. He didn't do fucking anything. In the alternate timeline he's competent enough to wage a war against Equestria for years. Otherwise Sunset Shimmer.
-Boring: The Mane-iac. Yawn.
Best Design: Discord
Worst Design: Sombra. OC donut steel-looking.
>>27366934
I'm going to disqualify most of the minor adversaries from my list, as well as movie characters and the Mane-iac.
>Best
Hard to say, but I'd go for NMM being my favourite villain in and of herself, but what I also really enjoy Chrysalis because of the possibilities she and her Changelings create.
NMM is the more intriguing character, and represents something more interesting, but the idea of the Changelings is just a lot of fun.
>Worst
Sombra, without a doubt.
>Best Design
Chrysalis, with NMM as a close second.
I also liked the look of the Wendigoes and the Tantabus, even though I wouldn't consider those proper villains.
>Worst design
Probably Tirek for me, with Sombra being almost as bad.
>Motivation
NMM, I guess. Chrysalis might qualify, depending on interpretation.
>>27367182
>No darkness like the darkness within hum- ponyanity.
They also work as the darkness, or rather otherness, from outside.
Tirek is best.
Sombra is worst.
Discord has best design.
Tirek has best motivation.
>>27367260
Best villan? Starlight - the only one that ever won
Worst - Tirek - The one that literally won but got beat by the ever failthful deus ex machina, Elements of Harmony
Design - Discord. Cuz why not.
Motivation - Chrysalis. She needed love to sustain her species. This might be some /pol/ level logic here, but she was doing it for the well-being of her own species.
>>27366934
NMM probably had the most potential, best backstory and good ideals, but she was an intro character so she had to go for plot sake.
Chrysalis and Sombre are wasted potential. It's like having 1 huge villain then adding in 2 minor villains right before the episode is about to end, good fucking idea.
Tirek was cool and was OP as shit. He wasn't too special though.
Discord has a cool concept and is pretty fucking OP, but he doesn't care about being a villain.
Starlight is like Twilight with less negatives and more broken than before. Fly without magic, creates her own spells, high charisma. She just has a weak mind.
>>27367295
The only thing that Chrysalis is wrong about is enjoying it too much. If she treated love like a resource to be traded for, she wouldn't even be a villain.
>>27367351
Who wouldn't be on a powertrip after capturing a Princess and defeating another?
>>27367368
I think he means she should treat as a necessary action for her species's survival, and not an enjoyable act
>>27367388
Yes, but as far as she was concerned, she had already succeeded in that regard and gotten so much more in besting the rulers of the land.At least till she let her guard down.
>>27366959
That's how she sucks my dick
>>27367388
>>27367368
>>27367400
It kind of reminds me of how dragons changed now- sure you could get all of the riches of Equestria if you attacked them and took it all, but you could get just as much and a continuous source of it if you were diplomatic.
Same thing with Changelings. Chrysalis is actually a bad queen because she's not securing a continuous supply.
Discord is the only one that was a fun character. Tirek almost was but as soon as he gets big he becomes a fucking BORING screaming angry shit instead of the slimy almost Satanic asshole he was when he was weak.
The show overall sucks at bad guys. Atleast Chrysalis has good porn.
>>27367427
With her teeth clenched down?
Damnit, Anon, you got some studs on your dick or something?
>>27366959
Discord is also not a villain, Fluttershy suck his dick.
>>27366934
>Discord was
>Muh crystals
>Nightmare Moon
>They were all pretty shitty, Glimmer could have been good if she was actually misguided into thinking what she was doing was the right thing and if it didn't turn out to be a "muh friend moved away" type deal.
>>27366934
>Who's the best?
Glimmer
>Who's the worst?
Sombre, mainly because we know nothing about him
>Best Design?
Discord, Glimmer and NMM
>Best motivation?
Flim Flam brothers, they have no flaw
>>27367295
Over at the occasional bughorse threads, we've talked a good deal about Chrysalis' motivation.
I won't say it's the consensus, but a frequently brought up point is that there wasn't really any pressing need or necessity in what Chrysalis did. At least not that's apparent in any of the dialogue.
People have gotten this idea that Chrysalis HAD to do what she did, that her Changelings were starving, that this was a matter of survival, and all that. This is in addition to a lot of ideas about how their feeding works that's ultimately just assumptions. It has become kind of a fandom myth in and of itself.
Chrysalis does indeed say this:
>"And as queen of the changelings, it is up to me to find food for my subjects."
But, there's never any mention or implication that they're currently starved for such food. Consider what she says right afterwards:
>"My fellow changelings will be able to devour so much of it that we will gain more power than we have ever dreamed of!"
Cadence has already stated that Changelings get power (not just food) from love, and Chrysalis has said that Equestria has more love (hence power) than any other place she's encountered. In every opportunity, all Chrysalis talks about here is power and control. Food is just brought up once.
True, Changelings need love for sustenance, but that's not what it was about.
Her intention appears to be conquest, plain and simple. Food is just a by-product of it.
>>27367580
>> Food is just brought up once.
yes, bring up your creatures weaknesses infront of your enemy. Lets look at the facts shall we? the changeling army did not arrive under disguise, they where almost entirely unarmed despite their ability to use magic. as well as unarmored. they had no seige equipment they snuck in, they had fucking nothing. the changelings are poor, they cannot afford extra protection in a planned for conflict they have every ability to control and dictate, and one that will decide the future of their people as a whole.
Wherever they where before, she had never seen love to this magnitude. that means this is an undreamed of source of love.
Chrysalis is afraid. She did not expect to defeat Celestia, and is just as surprised that she did as Celestia. She then attributes her victory to the love she stole rather than her own strength, showing that she is not obsessed with her own personal power to any kind of fault of not being able to accurately compare hers and another's greatness.
Chrysalis is compassionate for food. Rather than keep her minions to gaurd her against dangerous enemies she instructs them to go feed, despite the fact that the only people that matter to stop are in the throne room and lunas tower, meaning she should keep them near her to aid her in defeating or escaping from these powerful opponents.
In fact chrysalis's only arrogant action that whole fight was to assume shining armor was completely under her control, which makes sense since despite chrysalis's failure to remain unsuspicious twilight never actually suspects him, no one does. for her, despite all complications, controlling shinny is the only thing that went 100% right and caused her to be lax.
>byproduct
You are absolutely wrong and have little concept due to luxury of what food represents. Chrysalis's goal IS conquest. Her people have nothing, the ponies have everything she wants for her and her race. She wants her people to live, not survive.
>>27367689
Oh boy. This isn't going to be pretty.
>yes, bring up your creatures weaknesses infront of your enemy
She was stating her function. Chrysalis is gloating in victory at this point, "bringing up weakness" is not a concern, nor is it relevant. Cadence seems to know already, so it's not like it's a secret.
>the changelings are poor
Pure guesswork, and likely a false assumption.
>showing that she is not obsessed with her own personal power
Which also isn't what I claimed.
>Rather than keep her minions to gaurd her against dangerous enemies
By the time she commands them to feed, Chrysalis has already "won". She doesn't not perceive any threat.
>chrysalis's only arrogant action
Her arrogance is in many ways her downfall, Anon.
>Her people have nothing
Again, pure guesswork.
I'd recommend rewatching the episodes, or at the very least just reading the transcript of the second half.
>>27367182
Agreed. Tirek was the beezneez
>>27367846
>>She was stating her function. Chrysalis is gloating in victory at this point, "bringing up weakness" is not a concern, nor is it relevant. Cadence seems to know already, so it's not like it's a secret.
wow, you are right, how retarded you are isn't pretty. particularly the part where you would, if it where true, apperantly gloat about how starved your people are.
>Pure guesswork, and likely a false assumption.
repeating a lie and cherry picking evidence doesn't make your continued bullshit any less shit. The changelings are risking everything against an opponent chrysalis views as martially superior to her. you cannot assume they left their equipment behind for the lulz. it's obvious to anyone whos not as retarded as you they didn't have anything to bring.
>>Which also isn't what I claimed.
it's exactly what you claimed, that she only cared about power, not her peoples well being.
>By the time she commands them to feed, Chrysalis has already "won". She doesn't not perceive any threat.
theres still luna and the elements to deal with. they where overwhelmed and surrendered, not beaten the shit out of.
>>Her arrogance is in many ways her downfall, Anon.
no dumbass, her downfall was ambition
>Again, pure guesswork.
big lie fallacy. Stop acting like hitler for 3 seconds and come up with a real logical reason for them to not bring weaponry and armor to a fucking war.
>>you obviously werent watching
CW2 is the only episode I even have downloaded. you're wrong and objectively so. why don't you retarded assclowns go back to your bughorse fetish general and leave discussion of the setting to people who aren't obsessed with dicking everything horse like.
This aggression is unwarranted.
>apperantly gloat about how starved your people are.
You've missed my original point of even bringing up that quote. And more importantly, the quote doesn't imply that they're starving, no more than saying "my job is to make money" implies that you're poor.
>you cannot assume they left their equipment behind for the lulz
You cannot assume they had equipment in the first place.
>it's exactly what you claimed, that she only cared about power, not her peoples well being
No, I said that power was the primary goal. That does not mean it's the only goal. Likewise, having one primary concern doesn't mean you can't have any other concerns.
>theres still luna and the elements to deal with. they where overwhelmed and surrendered, not beaten the shit out of.
Yet she was very much considering the fight to be over. Or in her own words "It's all over!".
>no dumbass, her downfall was ambition
Ambition was part of it, but her behaviour at the end, as she dismisses the very idea that Cadence's love can do anything, is driven by arrogance. Again, she considers this to be a battle already won.
>>27368871
Furthermore.
>come up with a real logical reason for them to not bring weaponry and armor to a fucking war
It's very simple. First, you appear to be of the idea that they'd even have arms and armour in the first place. We cannot know that. It's equally possible that they decided to forgo whatever equipment they had for this particular battle, or that they don't have any tradition for using arms and armour. The latter appears to be the most likely choice, for another simple reason.
In The Cutie Re-Mark - Part 2, we see a future where the Changelings are in control. Yet when they attack the Pony camp, they don't bring anything in the way of arms or armour. They're undeniably in a position of power, yet they use "as little" equipment as in A Canterlot Wedding, where you claim they're poor and starving. Even the Ponies are armed with spears.
>why don't you retarded assclowns go back to your bughorse fetish general and leave discussion of the setting to people who aren't obsessed with dicking everything horse like
Amazing.
>>27366934
>not imprisoned/banished from equestria
>not turned into a friend of the mane 6
>still out there, laying more changelings
Chryssi is best pone
>>27367997
>aren't obsessed with dicking everything horse like
>he doesnt want to fuck horses
>>27366934
>whose the best?
Discord
>whose the worst?
Flim and Flam
>best design
Tirek
>best motivation
The leaf that blew apart the breezies
>>27370769
>The leaf that blew apart the breezies
>>27367448
/thread
They wheel him out too often and i hate how they reformed the guy but you gotta admit Discord has a great design, probably the best
>Who's the best?
Overall? I'd have to say Tirek. This may only just be my opinion, but anyone who could steal the show in a two-parter with Discord is due some major credit. He was a really fun blend of G1's Arabus, but with a "Mephistopheles" type characterization supplementing the former's lack of an interesting personality, that I think really worked. He was unambiguously power hungry and evil, yet as he was written it was only because he was stuck in his ways in a very particular set of principals that fundamentally contradicted everything Equestria stood for. His origin loosely added some interesting lore that could be expanded on later (particularly Scorpan & Tartarus), he was never nerfed with the show's typical genre-blindness to get beaten and truly had no possible way of foreseeing the means he was defeated by, AND his rampage cost some actual damage beyond just those two episodes (The Treebery and play ground). He should've been saved to be the end game villain, but as he is he was GOAT in my opinion.
>Who's the worst?
I never really hated him myself, but it is objectively Sombra. Although they didn't go in the exact direction fans wanted him written in, he still left a lot to be desired as-is and had his re-usability was literally BTFO. He was a good concept, but a "good" concept or character on paper doesn't cut it if it's not executed properly.
>Best Design?
I'd say Discord. Although, I remember there was this somewhat badass looking Draconequus concept art floating around before any promos for Season 2 were released, and when he first appeared it was somewhat of a controversy. I didn't like it initially, but after a while it really grew on me. Especially when the show's animation began to improve. (Chrysalis is a close second)
>Best motivation?
Nightmare Moon's motive had the best potential to be dissected and expanded on further, but it's been extremely underplayed in canon, so idk.
>>27366934
Discord and tirek are best and SG would be number one villain if her backstory wasnt that weak nightmare moon had a interesting concept
Other "viillains" are not even worth mentioning
>>27373114
Fuck forgot the bugqueen her perfomance was pretty good too
>>27367997
>this is your brain on waifu
Your bughorse slut is an evil bitch with no redeeming qualities. Just accept that she isn't a good person and move on.
>>27366934
Probably always going to choose Discord. Starlight was seriously contending until "muh boyfran broke up with me" backstory.
Sombra could have been so cool, but he has no personality, not even any meaningful dialogue. Even the whole dark magic thing was dropped.
Well, I guess that's why we have fan fiction, right?
>>27373381
>Even the whole dark magic thing was dropped.
Thank you for reminding me about one of the biggest failures of the writing team, ever. The storyline was literally laid out in front of them, an entire season-long arc's worth of possibility, Twilight digging deeper into Sombra's magic and going darkside, thrown away for "Alicorn Magic".
Thank you, anon. I hadn't quite gotten angry enough today. Now all I need to do is think about Spore and I'll be nuclear.
>>27370769
>The leaf that blew apart the breezies
>>27366934
>best villain
Starlight Glimmer, at least in Cutie Map.
>worst
Tirek. Sombra was an interesting concept poorly used, but Tirek was just a big yelling guy.
>best design
Chrysalis.
>best motivation
Nightmare Moon.
>>27376300
>Best Motivation
>Jelly of her sister
Pick one.
