When will Spike drop this assistant role that he has been pushing onto his adoptive sister/mother.
>>27110952
Literally never
>>27110952
He has given up crystal mare pussy and hardened dragon pussy.
Dude is dedicated.
>>27110994
Hard to say he's "given it up" when he can go back literally whenever he wants for it.
>>27111011
True.
>>27110952
When he moves onto a nicer girl besides Rarity.
>>27110952
Never, because males in equestria are for submissive roles in a pony society
>>27110952
>Spike: you're not mommy
Daily reminder that both Faust and Larson say Twilight did not raise Spike and that he was never adopted into the Sparkle family.
>>27111454
They also said Celestia raised him. It is honestly one of the worst headcanons Faust ever had for the show.
Spike should just be part of Twilight's family.
>>27111454
They thought it through so little that I would accept a different explanation for it.
>>27111454
This pic is the proof that spike only loves hair/haricuts
>>27111469
>Spike should just be part of Twilight's family
Absolutely not. Throwing another brother into the mix just muddies the waters even further and lessens the impact Ponyville has on her.
Larson's idea is much better for both their character arcs where they start out as cordial employer/employee and become closer over time to the point of family.
>>27111469
Faust said he grew up in the castle. She never said Celestia spent her days looking after him. He was likely tended to by castle servants.
>>27111486
>Starlight's main has a similar hair loop
It adds up.
>>27111469
Yes because clearly a little kid should have no real semblance of a childhood, that is so much better storytelling.
>>27111486
>tfw hairfags are dolphin-tier
>>27111514
>adding another brother
He has been there since day 1.
>>27111514
As shitty as it is, I kind of wish the comics were canon because even Twilight raising Spike is better than that.
>>27110952
Maybe when Twilight's parents are the focus of an episode.
>>27111541
It boggles my mind how basic shit wasn't thought through by her.
>>27111553
He's an inner stylist
>>27111514
What are you talking about? Making him this dedicated towards a goal makes him far more fascinating than buying into the indentured servant crap which kills the sincere tone of the series.
>>27111611
Your forgetting about Shining Armor. Twilight's whole shtick pre-S3 was learning the importance of friendship because she had been a shut-in for her entire life up to that point. I can let the out-of-nowhere inclusion of SA slide because he was a lot older and likely moved out while Twilight was still young.
If you retcon Spike as being her little brother, then he's there throughout her childhood, giving her plenty of social interactions and friendship exploration. It completely nullifies her needing to go to Ponyville and understand friendship...unless you want to go the dark route and say Twilight was a neglectful sibling and ignored Spike throughout their upbringing, which I know a lot of memers would love.
>>27111626
>wanting teen mom Twilight and Trollestia to be canon
I've never called another anon's opinions garbage before, but I'm awfully tempted to do so here.
>>27111718
Faust's headcanon was far less thought out.
>>27111718
I would take that over a Celestia that didn't give a shit about how he would be raised.
>>27111718
As silly as it is, I can kind of see Spike fully taking on his assistant role, and Twilight forgetting that he is her little brother.
>>27111680
Uh, what are you talking about? Whether he starts out as her brother or an employee (Faust said Celestia assigned him to her because her clairvoyance told her they belonged together) has no bearing on his goals.
>>27111766
What?
In the comic, Celestia gives Spike to Twilight, a child who should be focusing her time and energy on the advanced studies she's been enrolled in.
In Faust's headcanon, Celestia devotes professional caretakers to rear him.
I don't know about you, but the latter sounds like a way better option.
>>27111814
I prefer the option that doesn't make Spike have a depressing upbringing and forces his childhood away from being anything more than an assistant.
>>27111787
It would be nice to see her want to push Spike towards his goals despite his determination to keep serving her.
>>27111814
It would justify his devotion to her as more than an employee.
Don't worry the newer writers seem eager to drop all of Faust's headcanon, so probably for once it will be an improvement over what she had planned.
>>27111814
A vision that just happens to be the girl that raised him? Bitch please.
>>27111844
I'm sorry, but Spike and Twilight interactions in S1 were never that of brother and sister. They became like that later on but they weren't like that in the beginning. Spike being raised in a kick-ass castle with a host of ponies looking after him sounds way better than sitting in a corner waiting for Twilight to finish reading the encyclopedia.
Growing up in a castle also explains how he knew important ponies like Hoity Toity. He also probably received an advanced education there, explaining why he's so smart for his age.
You seem to think Spike can only be happy if he grew up alongside Twilight and miserable in every other scenario. But that only reinforces the meme that Spike will be her slave forever if that's all he's ever known.
>>27111876
That's what character growth is for. Start out distant, then become close. Which they did gradually show via their interactions over time.
>>27111907
She didn't raise him according to Faust. Read the thread before you post like a dumbass.
>>27111920
Why would he have any real obligation to remain her assistant then? It seems rather apparent that she won't kick him out anymore if he gets lazy.
>>27111931
I meant to say hatched him, my apologies.
>>27111514
>Trying to give Spike a closer relationship to Celestia than Twilight has
>>27111941
He's not doing it because he feels obligated. He's doing it because he wants to. His main goal in life is to help his friends, to be a hero to them. Twilight his his closest friend and practically sister now.
>>27111920
Except Twilight regularly kept hanging out with her other friends until McCarthy took over.
>>27111920
That way kind of reinforces the meme that Spike was being raised to be a slave.
>>27111962
A sister who won't let him into her family, sure.
Why would Celestia push this onto Spike then because of a vision? It would be much better if he wanted to do this on his own.
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>>27111962
>>27111920
Yup, tie his job into the only pony he can consider family. Totally not reinforcing that meme that he is a servant.
At least in OPs mind he has a family to go back to, and he is still family with Twilight in the first place.
>>27111994
>A sister who won't let him into her family, sure.
Not sure where you're getting that idea. They spend the holidays together.
>Why would Celestia push this onto Spike then because of a vision?
Because her visions tend to come true? Because he wanted a job?
>>27112021
Hi OP. Look me in the eye and tell me that they treated each other like family in S1.
Best option to take.
>>27112061
Lots of things were different in S1.
>>27111814
It shows that Twilight does actually care for him beyond being an employee.
>>27110952
Guardians of Harmony
It's either going to be a legit new tv series, or a series of movies like EqG, based on the trademark.
For those thinking it's meant to replace FIM, remember that Hasbro runs different Transformers shows concurrently so GoH could potentially run alongside FIM. Or not. We'll see.
>>27112021
Shimmer looks like she broke her pinkie in that image.
>>27111718
What about Twilight's friends in Canterlot?
>>27112111
That's what OP was going for.
>>27111718
I don't think Spike would bother pushing her to go socialize if she didn't want it or need it.
>>27112311
The 'friends' she didn't even know the names of?
I don't know if you've ever run into the type, but I've hung out in groups before where there is one guy who is just sort of there, you know? Not really interacting with anybody and is completely engulfed in their cellphone.
Twilight was 'that' guy, head buried in a book and only pretending to listen to those around her. Not because she's mean. She just socially aloof, or autistic.
>>27112375
True true, it seemed like Spike had a better time with them than Twilight did.
>>27110952
Never
>He does it for free
>>27110952
How will the wham line be delivered?
>"Spike, you were the one who always wanted to be my assistant. I just wanted to support whatever my little brother set my mind to."
>>27112375
Aloof. From the very first episode she is shown to be socially competent, even better than Fluttershy.
>>27112435
Best girl should bring it up, maybe a big sister intuition.
>>27112375
>Not because she's mean
Yes it is, sort of. She valued books over friends, even though it's clear she could easily socialize
>>27110952
To be fair he might have a point by thinking TS would be worse off without him.
>>27110952
Probably when he takes on his superhero role.
>>27110952
Spike is not a fully grown dragon. Eventually he's going to be too big to do the assistance work and will have to leave. It's only a matter of time.
>>27112889
That would probably be several years from now.
>>27110952
He is too devoted to do that.
>>27110952
When he grows up.
So let me sum up, there are several topic about Spike:
1st is how was he raised:
1a) according to Faust, after being hatched, he was raised by Celestia
1b) then Larson assumed, that during Canterlot, Twilight / Spike relations was strictly as coworkers and they could befriend during Ponyville
1c) now the staff said, that Twilight considers Spike as a brother
Problems and possible explanations
1a)
- this is vague, but is safe assumption she organized the whole stuff with raising him (at least feeding and educating). Also an explanation why he can send / receive letters with Princess Celestia.
- now people, are bitching, that this implies shitty social life, which can be proved false. 1. The Hoity Toity case allows to assume, that he made social interactions at some point. 2. Even more, the pilot episodes gives more as he mentioned Moondancer birthday and he bough a present in contrary to shut-in Twilight 3. Given the benevolent nature of Celestia, he may had emotional support.
So with those two cases (plus one hypothetical), it can be assumed Spike had good infancy,
1b)
- The problem is, when they both actually started co-working.
1c)
- This is a great contradiction to points given above. When they did start bonding.
desu familiada, I like a),b) better. c) just seems forced
2nd issue, is OP question.
2a) How and when did he committed to Twilight's case?
2b) What is / was / will be the reaction of Celestia, Twilight?
Problems and possible explanations
2a) His commitment is valid due to his "greatest fear". For some reason he wants to be useful to her. Still the genesis is simply unknown. You can apply anything You want it such as: Spike's gratitude of being hatched by her, Celestia's task for Spike, bonding between those.
3rd issue. IDW comics
In short. AFAIK, there is no official confirmation that comics can be treated as "extended universe". Or at least I miss something, so please enlight me with then.
>>27110952
That's a cute picture
>>27112435
muh heart.
>>27110952
What I want to know is when will Spike become the Prince of Friendship? He has a better track record than Twilight when it comes to giving friendship advice.
>>27113680
If the comics are canon, then...unfortunately 1c is canon in the worst way as she started raising him as a child.
Yes it is great that Twilight and Spike have had such a long relationship with each other, but it seems so asinine that a little girl would be tasked with taking care of the creature she just hatched.
It would be better that Twilight and Spike had an instant bond and that lead to her bringing him in as part of her family.
>>27113792
When being a prince/princess of friendship is about giving advice
>>27113793
I tell ya hwat, man. There was no mention, that she was raising him for all those years. Maybe Celestia and / or Velvet decided to "readjust" Spike's upbringing?
>>27113876
I find it bizarre that he would be taken away from Twilight to go be raised by Celestia's family. I like the idea of them being siblings because it gives him a strong emotional connection to his work.
I think it works well if we take the idea that his spark to be the best assistant ever to Twilight was brought on because he cared a lot about her. This is the same reason he is devoted to Rarity.
Without them knowing each other beforehand this is much more strange (especially since Spike isn't looking to get anything from Twilight either), so to have that relationship already in place beforehand we need to have a reason for Twilight and Spike to know each other before they started the wizard assistant relationship.
>>27114324
Isn't it reasonable to assume Twilight saw Spike all the time when she went to the castle to spend time with Celestia? She must've been a present figure in his life since she hatched his egg
>>27114416
Why would she be seeing Spike? Why would they be connecting?
>>27114324
That is a really good point.
>>27114512
He's there with Celestia, and they know Twilight hatched his egg, so she's his mom in some way
>>27114538
So Spike was raised by Celestia?
I don't get why Spike wasn't close with Twilight's family then, I mean if they liked each other so much wouldn't they be spending time after classes?
>>27114538
seeing someone everyday is no reason to assume that you'll be ties to that person. That's like saying a classmate you go to school with is going to be your employee for the rest of your life.
>>27114538
>>27114583
Yeah that is a really odd relationship for someone who is essentially a classmate.
>thinking this hard about who raised Spike
>not thinking this hard about where the egg came from
>why the test was hatching a dragon egg to begin with
>why Twilight is the only one to be seen with a baby dragon assistant, not even Moondancer had one, which leads one to assume that either A. She was the only one who got the test, B. She was the only one to pass it, or C. For some unknown reason she was the only one allowed to keep the dragon.
>>27114677
We are concerned because it could very well define the most obvious relationship on the show.
>>27110952
Do you think Spike is the kind of guy who tries really hard to be helpful out of insecurity?
>>27115001
He always is the one trying to prove himself.
>>27112919
So they'll save it for the movie
>>27110952
Until he beat that trauma.
After all Spike's name came from his interpretation of Twilight yelling at him and telling him that he's stupid and useless for her
>>27115223
At least post the whole drama, faglord
>>27115267
>>27115290
>>27115311
>>27115321
>>27115332
Faust's headcanon was broken in Hearthbreakers.
That is still better than Faust's headcanon.
>>27115347
>"Why don't i make you some cocoa?"
OH FUCK
>>27115408
Good.
>>27114677
This is purely my headcanon, but I like to think he was a token of friendship to the ponies from Scorpan. It raises the question as to why Spike and not some other egg? Is he from an important bloodline? It gives an excuse to explore Scorpan's homeland in search of answers. Even shed some light on Scorpan's relation to Star Swirl. It just opens the door for all kinds of interesting avenues for storytelling.
Plus I love callbacks to older continuities. In G1, Scorpan was looking out for Spike. He would be a nice nod to older-older fans.
As for why Twilight got the egg exam, I like to think it was a sort of Kobayashi Maru/Excalibur combo test, i.e. Celestia was looking for a powerful apprentice. Hatching a dragon egg would be a good indicator of that. If they failed then it would serve as a test to a student's character in defeat and not meant to actually be won.
Remember that Celestia knows about the star cutie mark on the Tree of Harmony and surmises that the pony with that mark will play an important role in Equestria's future. So she'd be on the lookout for any potential candidates.
>>27115408
Erhm, I don't think so...
>When Spike and I spent our first Hearth's Warming Eve together, he couldn't wait all night to open his presents! Ever since then, we've always opened them the night before!
Their first one could have been the one from S1. No headcanon has been broken.
Come on guys. You can enjoy the comics all you want, they still are not canon in any way. Last episode reinforced (for the 5th time) that ponies know jackshit about dragons. This renders Dragontown completely unsalvageable. Not to mention the slew of other continuity errors.
>>27115691
S1 didn't have a Hearthswarming
>>27115691
So that means they spent AT LEAST a whole year together before she moved to ponyville.
>>27115691
That is still implying they were close friends before moving to ponyville.
It pretty much shoves Larson's headcanon in the toilet.
>>27115691
Only two years passed since Twilight moved to ponyville. We saw both Hearthswarmings.
>>27115796
>>27115822
I guess that would be true.
But a one-year old baby being impatient for its presents? I don't know if Spike would have enough cognitive recognition at that point. If his first one was together with the Sparkle family, he certainly wouldn't know he was getting presents because of the holiday.
>>27115851
Maybe they spent way more years together? How old do you think Spike is?
>>27115863
Well if we assume ponies age like humans, and Celestia's magic school is the first school Twilight enrolls in, then she'd be around 5. If she's in her early twenties now, he'd be mid to late teens. Of course that's in pony years. Biologically he'd still be an infant by dragon standards. There's no telling how long a dragon's teen years last.
>>27115851
Maybe she could be referring to the first they spent with just the two of them and not her whole family, or the first they spent when he wasn't a complete infant.
>>27115913
It also raises an interesting question about how long his egg was in Celestia's possession.
After a certain point, a fetus is considered alive (killing a pregnant lady counts as a double homicide).
Does the same hold true for dragon eggs? How long was Spike alive inside his egg before hatching?
>>27115913
We don't know how dragons age and there is much evidence to suggest they don't age like ponies do.
>>27110952
When he decides to train to become a knight.
>>27116381
Cool.
>>27116381
Yay
>>27116078
True
I think the answer can be found in the Dragon Code Spike wants to follow.
When AJ saved his life he became indebted to her, and had to serve her forever. However, this was not okay for him to do, because he already owed a life debt. So he had to go get permission to be released from servitude first and the permission could only come from Twilight herself. She owned his life.
Why? Because she hatched him. He owed her a life debt. Dragon Code states he has to be her servant forever because he owes her his life.
So he will never stop being her "assistant" until she releases him from his debt, which might be tricky because she may not even have permission to do that without proper circumstances being met first.
This is likely a very regular part of dragon growth and aging which dragon mothers are well versed in, and well able to navigate as they move their children along to their eventual adulthood and independence. Twilight however knows jack shit about how to manage a dragon's life debt, along with pretty much every other pony alive. Little fella might be stuck for a good while yet.
>>27117379
I fucking hate that shit.
>>27116078
You're confusing age with aging. If he was hatched when Twilight was 5, then he'd still be ~15 years old at the start of the series regardless of his biology.
>>27110952
Being Princess Purple hoers's assistant is his destiny.
>>27117459
I am saying he has probably spent pretty much his entire life with Twilight and her family.
>>27119361
Sad
