Imminent shitstorm inbound.
>>25369378
whatever
>>25369378
>2 hours ago
>imminent
>>25369378
Meh, I'm pretty sure the writers are just tried of responding to autistic brownies all day. I don't really blame them
It's like these kids honestly believe throwing the word "legitimate" into their sentences makes it any more than thoughtless whining.
>>25369404
https://derpiboo.ru/images/1018539
It was posted to Derpi recently.
>>25369378
>a paycheck johnny test writer is shit
Wow
>>25369378
Wow nice attitude he has there, even after his first episode was pure shit.
![1018547__safe_text_meta_twitter_princess+spike_neal+dusedau[1].png](https://i.imgur.com/bbQRO1b.png "1018547__safe_text_meta_twitter_princess+spike_neal+dusedau[1].png")
>>25369378
This guy is a massive ass.
>>25369464
Can these types even read and understand the shit they spew, or do they blindly let out their rage on the keyboard then close the browser?
>>25369527
To be fair he kinda has a point
>>25369378
rekt
I like Dusedau a lot more, now.
I like that he's self-aware and doesn't have to please the fanbase for brownie points. He does come off as a dick though. Like the lighthouse keeper from Rick and Morty.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a3cm-1-m1Z8
Still funny, though. I hope he continues to fuck with people. This fanbase really deserves it with how they kiss the ass of absolutely all the staff members.
>>25369378
Going by his twitter Dusedau seems like kind of a faggot
nobody who retweets Shaun King is a likeable person
Can't really blame the show writers for giving harsher responses lately, the mlp community can be especially autistic at times. I wouldn't be surprised if they got bombarded by frogposters or something.
>>25369464
>>25369540
>>25369619
From the looks of things he got harassed by triggered twitter crybabies whining about muh Spike.
>>25369636
Except he writes Spike rather well.
>>25369619
I wouldn't mind it, at least if it wasn't towards actual criticism which it seems to get vented towards
Or if the episode wasn't total fucking crap and this man had any self-respect
Who is this guy again?
>>25369641
>The author of Princess Spike
I guess we can call it an improvement?
>>25369609
Some people don't look too closely into what they retweet. That's how you get sensible people like Lauren retweeting Sarkeesian's poisonous shit.
This is why Twitter and Tumblr and their ilk are cancer. They do not promote deep thought and introspection, but rather sound bites and kneejerk reactionism.
>>25369672
No, dude, just scroll a little through Dusedau's tweets. He's a huge raging douchey liberal.
>>25369378
I don't even mind his episodes, but as a person he's a complete faggot.
>>25369664
Spike was written well in that episode.
>>25369378
If his comment ended at "uncomfortable", he'd be spot on. He didn't need the shot at the end there.
That being said he's still right.
>>25369682
>anti-gun
I retract all support. You were right.
The staff mollycoddle you fat asses constantly.
You are seriously the shittiest fandom of all time.
Stop harassing the staff and stop stalking the voice actresses.
>>25369378
The entire episode was full of animation fuck ups and cringe worthy (unintentional by the writers) dialogue
>>25369729
The only appropriate response is to draw Spike (or his OC if applicable) with firearms.
>>25369729
We do need more gun control.
>>25369741
Big Jim admitted that the cringe or awkward parts were on purpose and you can't blame a WRITER for animation errors.
>>25369759
I don't think that'd work well. Anti-Gun people hate the idea of it being used in ways that harm. If it was something like art, media or a game he'd most likely like it.
>>25369781
Go away. High gun control areas are usually the areas with the WORST violent crime.
But of course, violent crime doesn't matter, just as long as it isn't committed with a scary black baby-seeking tactical MAC-AR-47 assault gun.
>>25369550
that would be fine if he was never writing ever again. but since hes probably going to write season 6 episodes, it would be nice if he learned from his mistakes.
>>25369781
At the risk of turning this into a /pol/ thread, I'm in favor of some gun laws like no felons, destructive device laws, and machine gun laws. They just need to fix the shit they have really. Like re-open the machine gun registry, re-evaluate what is considered a destructive device (and AA-12 is a DD according to the ATF), and removes the retarded SBR/SBS laws we got. The import bans need to get lifted too.
>>25369837
>no felons
Yeah, let's treat people like second-class citizens after they've served their sentence. That won't possibly increase recidivism at ALL.
>destructive device laws
Every gun is a "destructive device". They are made to kill shit, and they are very good at their purpose.
>machine gun laws
Do you even understand what the Second Amendment is for?
>>25369862
Pretty sure anyone would be nice if you kissed their ass.
>>25369837
I also will concede that we have a problem with mental health in the US that is bigger than gun control.
>>25369880
The US is one of the worst countries in regards to mental health.
>>25369880
Also bullshit. These psychotic breaks and school shootings make up a minute fraction of gun deaths. You wanna know what makes up MOST of the numbers?
Niggers killing other niggers over nigger shit. Psychotherapy ain't gonna make nigs stop noggin.
>>25369738
To be fair the Spikefags do have a point to complain as much as they do, but they like Dusdeau.
How do companies allow their employees to be this bafflingly retarded in public?
>>25369870
Oh, you're one of those faggots that spams "SHALL NOT BE INFRINGED!" all over 4chan, aren't you?
>>25369902
Suicides are a very high fraction as well.
>>25369902
But the suicides, family deaths, and even general mass public shootings are still too many. We should be getting these mass public shootings once a year, that's it.
>>25369937
>implying this will affect Hasbro in any way
Its not like he is going to fuck the toy sales for talking shit on social media, artists only do that to protect their image and reputation, even Lauren Faust can call someone a nigger and get away if she wants, but of course this will fuck with her carrer
Can we all agree that Neal Dusedau, whatever how a faggot he is, doesn't deserve to have a crusade in his ass?
>>25369937
Hasbro is retarded themselves.
>>25369378
Wait, are autists actually angry that something considered funny in a fictional world wasn't funny to them in real life (despite that fact that was even partly the point?)
Have they never watched a cartoon before? Have they forgotten the countless 'everyone laughs, fade to black, end credits' endings of episodes where something that wasn't funny caused them to burst into uncontrollable laughter to segue into the ending?
I didn't even like the episode that much but being upset over something not being funny enough is literally retarded
>>25369937
They usually don't. It's not uncommon for people to be fired over Facebook/Twitter posts.
>>25369962
Sure.
>>25369941
Purge planet?
I agree with him, but you can respond to this bullshit without looking like a massive dick. It's really unprofessional.
Why is Derpibooru defending him?
>>25370051
Derpibooru is bipolar as fuck
>>25370051
Cause they aren't retards, and they can appreciate when fandom autists get BTFO, like what happened with Steven Universe.
>>25370116
Hi regular derpibooru user
>>25370116
Was the guy really BTFO though? He said pretty matter of factly that when you make jokes unfunny and everything uncomfortable, then that's how people will feel. Dusedau basically said, "yeah, that was intended". That's not so much BTFO as it is complete agreement and affirmation of the comment, saying "yeah, it wasn't meant to not be uncomfortable. Deal with it."
Like, why is this a big deal of a tweet?
>>25370051
Because they're shills who think that writers can do no wrong.
>>25370158
There is more than one tweet.
>>25369916
>To be fair the Spikefags do have a point to complain as much as they do
No they don't. They are projecting themselves onto Spike.
>>25370175
you mean the guy saying "this is how you respond to legitimate criticism?" or the tweets Dusedau made over the course of a few days ago?
>>25370188
You couldn't get as many female friends as he does anyway.
>>25370188
>implying
Not a Spikefag, but Spike isn't a bad character, at least not enough to be hated, he doesn't deserve the shit that is throw at him and of course people would want to see him succeed, shipping and projection is mostly applied to waifufags and shippers anyway
>>25370203
Males with that many female friends are usually beta males who can't relate to other men due to a lack of a father figure in their lives.
Thus why bronies project themselves onto spike.
>>25369781
Wanting more gun control and being anti-gun is completely different seeing as there are varying degrees of control beyond outright banning guns, someone who is literally anti-gun is probably a retard who doesn't actually know shit.
>>25370234
Hi Ghost
>>25370116
Pretty much this, Frenchie most likely doesn't give a flying fuck about some autist not only not getting the point, but not getting that the episode was kinda meta in it being very much a use of the audience being left out of the loop because the viewpoint character was out of the loop.
I thought the episode was rather mediocre in it's pacing, but damn if I wasn't in on the long running joke that Twilight was jealous about not being in on the joke.
I think he's trying to remind you that this is a show for little girls, not for maladjusted fatass manchildren.
>>25370234
>Big Mac is his surrogate father
>>25369870
I love guns but when it comes to carrying, conceild or not, there needs to be a higher bar for training. Only reason to carry is to protect yourself or others and to do so effectively you need some degree of training or you're probably gonna do more harm than good and that training definitely has to go beyond range time.
>>25370279
>life's uncomfortable, so I made that kids show you enjoy uncomfortable to watch
>stop watching if you can't handle my writing curves
Yeah, that's totally what he's going for
>>25369870
>>machine gun laws
>Do you even understand what the Second Amendment is for?
Defense against tyranny, foreign and domestic.
Machine guns are a waste of ammo anyways so fuck you for thinking we would need them in the first place. What are you gonna do, sweep a beach with it?
>>25370329
>>life's uncomfortable, so I made that kids show you enjoy uncomfortable to watch
The target demographic doesn't care about Spike. Spike is a sidekick.
If it makes you feel uncomfortable it's probably because you shouldn't be looking for emotional fulfilment from a little girl's cartoon.
>>25370346
I don't care about spike. Big Jim and Dusedau have pretty much said that the episode is intended to be uncomfortable. That's not about emotional fulfillment. I just tend not to enjoy watching shows that make me uncomfortable, like cartoons where they peel up each-other's fingernails or shows where they have excessive gore for the sake of gore. I can simply not enjoy that style of entertainment.
>>25370374
You are beyond mad if you seriously think that this was even on the same level of physical torture.
It was just "awkward silence as one character looks upset", it's as tame as it gets in a social situation.
>>25370269
>but damn if I wasn't in on the long running joke that Twilight was jealous about not being in on the joke.
>implying that was a joke
>>25370346
They do care and Spike was handled fine in this episode.
>>25370480
It's not the awkwardness that makes it uncomfortable in this case, it's how painfully unfunny everything is while everyone throughout the episode is laughing like a sitcom's laugh track hysterically. You're not meant to get the jokes and are meant to feel bored and uncomfortable with the whole situation. It really doesn't make for an entertaining episode. Interesting from a writing perspective? Sure, but not entertaining to watch.
>>25369378
>>25369804
>>25369880
>>25369902
>One guy mentions we should have stricter gun control
>/mlp/ shits on him
Never change you glorious horsefuc/k/ers
Just going to put my 2 cents out there:
There was literally nothing wrong with this episode
Spikefags are the worst about projecting their ideals onto a character that is perfectly fine as isGun control isn't a bad thing, in moderation
Also, tbph this guy's responses toward the criticism have been lulzy as fuck and I appreciate his caustic attitude toward an outlier demographic weighing their opinions around unchecked. I fucking wish Big Jim had this guy's balls.
>>25370611
We should share our hate with /k/
>>25370617
>>25369781
SHALL NOT BE INFRINGED
SHALL NOT BE INFRINGED
SHALL NOT BE INFRINGED
SHALL NOT BE INFRINGED
SHALL NOT BE INFRINGED
>>25370617
Hi Neal, your episode is shit
>>25370643
Hi Movies4Life, sorry I hurt your feelings on a public website. :^)
>>25370643
>>25370658
wow rude
>>25369682
>works in the entertainment industry
>suprise! he's liberal
>>25370617
They all need his balls. I swear at some point we're gonna get Falked.
>>25370537
That's most of season 5 to be honest. The opener in particular was a fucking chore, the drama was barely there and out of 44 minutes it had like 4 jokes at most.
The writers lack wit and 90% of the humor comes from storyboarders, who sadly can't save all this garbage by themselves.
>>25370698
But at least the opener was interesting. You wanted to know how they were going to get out of it and whatnot. With today's episode, mostly I just wanted to know why the jokes were so funny, and the payoff is "you had to be there". Wooooo, I'm so satisfied...
>>25369941
330 million people live in this country. At least half of those people own a gun. Of course we're gonna have more shootings than the average post industrial country. It's like saying car accidents would go down if there were no cars.
>>25370735
It wasn't interesting to anyone older than 5 who hasn't seen the same plot done 10 times and better. It's just a show for little girls, but it used to be one that you could see without being bored out of your mind.
>>25370346
>The target demographic doesn't care about Spike. Spike is a sidekick.
>Target demographic
>>25370757
But they usually at least have a satisfying conclusion, ya know? I know it's a kids show, but that doesn't mean it should be devoid of entertainment value. All the entertainment of this episode came in the form of memes and references to movies that 5 year-olds are way too young to have any idea about (except maybe Back to the Future since they did the marathon the week before)
>>25370788
Usually is a false claim nowadays, most episodes of this season have failed to deliver, be honest to yourself, grow some standards, and judge all of them for how bad they are. It'll be for the best.
>>25370757
>Same plot
>has been done a million times
>usually better
>relies on idiocy to push it past cold open and about two minutes
Now am I talking about this episode or Ticketmaster?
>>25370810
>You must agree with my opinion or you're not "honest with yourself!", so says I
Yeah man, no.
>>25370810
For crying out loud. Why is it that horsefuckers always say all the good writing was in the earlier seasons? The writing throughout the series was always average at best. It's not like season 1 was revolutionaryor anything stupid like that. The only reason I watch it is cause the ponies are cute.
>>25370852
Arguably S1 had some of the worst.
>>25370810
It's been off and on, but it's as bad and good as all the other seasons.
Every season has its good and bad episodes. Every one. The only reason people think Season 5 is the worst or whatever is because A) it's currently airing and thus the new hot topic, B) people have become jaded, and C) increase in "ebin maymay" shitposting. Also everything isn't "new" anymore, while in Season 1 we were still getting to know the characters and Equestria. So basically, nostalgia.
>>25370698
Are you for real? Do you only watch the show for jokes? Because if you do, I think you're in the wrong place. MLP isn't a comedy, you know.
>>25369540
You mean what we all do, Anon?
>>25370341
Same thing you do with it anywhere else. Suppressive fire and area denial. The 2nd was kind of designed for a worst-case scenario, you know.
>>25370786
I am still a fan of Courage the Cowardly Dog because it is so good. Even my father who usually hates watching childrens shows gets a kick out of it.
>>25370786
That screencap, specifically the guy who posted the luigi image bitching about criticism for children's shows, fucking depresses me that these kind of people feel they themselves can wave off criticism of their shitty behavior and opinions by hiding behind "It's criticism, assholes! I'm entitled to criticize something, and saying it's a children's show doesn't devalue that!"
Gee, thanks Tumblr I didn't realize this was a forum for you to bash shit harmlessly without being worried about getting called out. The thing is; It -is- a fucking children's show and a children's show -can- be quality and entertaining just like the guy responding to him details, except the part saying "you know it's good because parents enjoy it too" as if to imply a matured mind's opinions is more validating than the children the show was fucking aimed at. It's this pretentious air of obnoxious entitlement that ruins the quality of the show for these assholes, that they -deserve- the show they want, that the show -needs- to be more complex or deep to be good or entertaining, the same kind of people that comprise the Spikefags who -demand- directly to show staff how Spike should be portrayed as a fucking character just to satisfy their own notion of quality.
No, "the show is shit now" is not 'valid criticism',
No, "this episode was too predictable to be good" is not a 'valid criticism',
No, "this character doesn't have an indepth backstory or is used in the -CARTOON'S- humor, therefor it's a badly-written character" is not 'valid criticism'. It's you rubbing your fucking dick at the fact that this children's show is easier for you to put on your TGWTG baseball cap and pretend to be a cinema critic by spewing your shit opinions around like they are the objective measure of 'professional entertainment media'.
>>25371410
Dude, excuse me if my post makes you mad, but I think you actually overreacted as fuck...
I mean, I see where you are from and what you said is not necessarily wrong, but where I disagree is about the concept of target demographic: That shit should never excuse shit quality and should never fuck up artistic integrity. Again, I'm agree that "bronies" should calm the fuck down and stop complaining like bitches on Twitter, and for fuck sake I don't even hate the new episode, it is actually a good to me. But still, the quality of a show should never be about if it was good for the target demographic...
>>25371574
Kids and adults have different needs regarding what qualifies as entertainment, not all media can please all people and it's ignorant to hold every single thing to the one type of standard
>>25371574
I agree that just because it's a children's show shouldn't excuse poor quality, because that's what Lauren was fighting against when she created the show; to prove that girls' entertainment can be quality and shouldn't be confined to the stereotypical media.
I personally can't see eye to eye that the quality of the show shouldn't be about if it's quality for the demographic, because that defeats what Lauren was trying to do in making quality content for the target demographic.
My apologies if I came off rather caustic in expressing that, I've been keeping from sharing that opinion for the most part and it sort of bottled up to a critically autisticlevel.
>>25371663
Did you just say the same thing in the first two paragraphs with slightly different wording? That's funny.
>>25371692
Emphasis through reiteration to drive the point. I agreed that a cartoon shouldn't be poor quality, but that it's quality shouldn't be weighed specifically on how adults view it. Some consideration should be made to how the content reflects on the target demographic.In other words, think of the children. Won't somebody think of the children? :^(
>>25369378
>>25369521
>>25369527
my sides
>>25369781
To have more means you have to have some of it to begin with
>>25369738
Have you seen the Steven Universe or TheLivingTombstone fandom?
>>25372179
>TheLivingTombstone fandom
>The Living Tombstone has a stand-alone fandom
>>25372179
>TheLivingTombstone fandom
I didn't need to know that was a thing
I'm not seeing the supposed threats that he got.
"Neal, i have nothing against you. I'm just saying that the episode was very flawed and that I believe you can write better."- The person he replied to
>>25369937
This is literally only allowed in the game industry and animation industry anywhere else would get your ass fire on the spot
>>25369378
>>25369521
>>25369527
>openly tells complaining bronies to fuck off
It's been only two episodes and yet he's already better than Larson.
>>25369378
>>25369521
>>25369527
Wow.
I like him.
>>25373606
>>25373615
The guy needs a thicker skin.
>>25369941
Suicides would still happen if people didn't have guns. The highest suicide rate is in Japan and they have very strict gun laws.
>>25373633
They also have a shame culture.
But yeah. Dusedau, improve your writing and count your blessings you don't write for Steven Universe.
>>25369378
>>All viewers are Twilight
>>25373646
So what? You said guns = more suicides and I showed you how that's bullshit.
>>25373655
I didn't say shit and don't care that Dusedau is a Hollywood liberal. I care that he's a shitty writer and an overly sensitive asshole.
>>25369429
maybe they shouldn't respond then?
>An episode so bad even twitter hates it
This show has fallen far
Bout time one of them spoke up against the shit flingers. No wonder they keep throwing new chefs into the kitchen with a turnover rate like the writers of this show have.
>>25369378
>>25369527
>writer tells autistic fanbase to go fuck off
>butthurt anons being contrarian
You really shouldn't look at fans tweets and emails to you unless you have a really strong stomach for it. And arguing with fans is generally a no-win situation. I mean look at all the crap Meghan gets on Twitter she never once tweets a angry or sarcastic reply.
Also boohoo on the "they have to deal with autistic bronies". These guys get flown all over the world going to conventions and being treated like rockstars. I'd take the good and the bad working on MLP then toiling in obscurity for Littlest Pet Shop or Pound Puppies.
>>25372179
>TheLivingTombstone fandom
>TheLivingTombstone
>fandom
>>25373633
>>25373655
I think what he was trying to say that guns are a very easy and very appealing suicide method because of it. Comparing it to probably to the most popular method that is drug OD, the person is not going to walk away from a bullet to the head as where a person downing a bottle of his anti-depressant meds will likely live to see another day, giving him a chance to rethink his actions.And nice dubs btw
>>25372179
>TheLivingTombstone fandom
>>25373997
Some people don't want that life anon.
They don't want to eat shit sandwiches and avoid stepping on the toes of people who just don't get it.
>>25369378
To be fair, responding to most tweets is uncomfortable.
>>25372179
>TheLivingTombstone fandom
>>25372179
>TheLivingTombstone fandom
>>25369527
>>25369521
>>25369378
Wow, I fucking love this guy.
Sure, his episode was pretty bad, but it wasn't godawful like MMDW or SAYS.
>>25375528
>implying MMDW was bad
>>25372179
>TheLivingTombstone fandom
>>25375537
>implying it wasn't shit.
And I'm going to imply that the only reason you refuse to admit it is because it was pre-McCarthy.
>>25370786
When critiquing something, one must take into consideration what the subject matter is trying to convey. I do not criticize a drama for lacking comedy or a comedy for lacking gore.
Not every episode of mlp aims to be a 22 minute laugh fest. This, like most, was trying to convey a message with cute ponies. In order for the moral to pay off properly, the audience needed to see things through Twilight's eyes and that is why the jokes and laughing appeared out of place. As a result, the moral was solid.
Cute ponies? Check.
Excellent characterization for all cast members? Check.
A reasonable and valuable life lesson? Check.
I say this episode succeeded in doing everything it set out to do. Now if this type of episode isn't your cup of tea because it wasn't all laughs or for whatever other reason, then you are more than welcome not to enjoy it, but to say that it was flawed for not having jokes is false because that was never its intention.
I also get this strange feeling that autists are particular vocal about episode like this (in this case, being excluded) that remind them of their own shortcomings, resulting in them getting triggered.
It's the same thing with Equestria Games; Spike needed to be brought low in order for his crowning moment of awesome to pay off. But the majority of criticisms for that episode is unfair because 'critics' hated how he spilled his spaghetti in front of everyone, which again was intended, and I can only assume the torrent of backlash from it was because it hit a little too close to home for some fans.
>>25376184
It was okay.
>>25369378
>OP trying hard to force a "happening"
>Entire thread is just "Uh yeah, he's right"
Go take your shit forced drama somewhere else.
>>25376429
He's right, but he doesn't have to be such a passive-aggressive bitch about it.
>>25376492
How was he passive aggressive? He gave a straight forward honest answer.
>>25369521
Wait, did someone actually threaten him?
>>25376501
Okay, wrong choice of words, he was just a bitch about it.
>>25376527
Explain how he was "a bitch"? Because he wasn't nice enough and didn't coddle the person? Why should he?
>>25372179
>>25372343
>>25372915
>>25374023
>>25374863
>>25375357
>>25375440
>>25376173
I don't see how his fans can classify as a fandom. The only thing that unifies them is that they're all cringy, underage and have extremely poor taste in media.
>>25376540
Because out of the blue he insulted the guy for giving some feedback. Since when has treating people kindly equaled coddling them?
>>25370341
>why does this insurgent group use machine guns? Don't they know how much ammo they're wasting?
>>25376574
You just described every fandom to ever exist.
>>25376184
I liked MMDW because at the time I didn't try to autisticly over-analize the show and just enjoyed Top Cunt being trolled by the rest of M6.Dragon Quest was the first episode I genuinely didn't enjoy.
>>25370537
I get the feeling that was the whole point of the episode. It revolved around Twilight not getting whatever jokes happened between her friends and Discord, and you as the audience, are meant to feel the same way along with her.
That's just my two cents.
>>25376610
I'll give you cringy and shit taste in media. But underage? Nah. That joke doesn't work.
>>25369837
>no felons
Sure
>destructive devices
There are a lot of items that are already in circulation that are "historical" I'd say, like RPGs, old grenades, etc.
>machine guns
See above. There are a lot of historical firearms that would be destroyed if they made full-autos illegal to own. That would be on par with torching old uniforms/flags, breaking down the few remaining aircraft from WW2, etc.
Full-autos are no more dangerous than semi-automatics anyway.
>>25376690
If they're manchildren, they're underage at heart.
>>25376540
You quit or something man?
>>25376728
Who are you replying to?
>>25376747
The I guy I was arguing with.
>>25376742
Lunalicious
>>25372179
>TheLivingTombstone fandom
>>25369521
Who is Neal and why is he so whiny?
>>25376821
>>25372179
>LivingTombstone fandom
>>25377147
Writer for the show.
He was nice to me.
>>25377522
>Sucking show writers
I don't even
>>25377522
>He's actually one of my favorites in the series.
>One of my favorites
>favorites
Why are we supposed to like this Spikefag again?
>>25376576
>>25376767
I'll be your Huckleberry.
Reread the tweet he was responding to again carefully.
>"if Twilight doesnt find the jokes funny and finds the whole situation uncomfortable then so will the audience"
If the "character" doesn't find it funny or feels awkward, so -will- the audience. He wasn't giving criticism, he was stating his opinion as fact and blanket defining the audiences reaction to add unnecessary weight to his "critique".
He was basically saying the equivalent of "What you wrote wasn't good because I was too connected to the character to enjoy the jokes or feel comfortable, oh and by the way the whole audience agrees with me."
>>25377946
It's a good argument, though. The episode is written from Twilight's perspective. The episode was about Discord telling an orange pun and doing something with peanut butter that Twilight didn't think was funny, and therefore the audience goes along with Twilight spending a lot of the episode not thinking that Discord is funny and wondering if he did something evil to spite Twilight.
And it turned out that he did do something to spite Twilight, but it was merely a non-magical dick move.
It's not really an opinion. If the whole episode is from book horse's perspective and none of the jokes are funny in her perspective, then the audience isn't going to find Discord funny either.
What was weird about the episode is that's the whole conflict.
>>25378103
Only if you self insert yourself as Twilight instead of watching it objectively.
>>25369378
That's some top bantz right there.
The bottom tweet makes it perfect.
They mad, he laffin'.
>>25378117
If you watch it objectively the episode's conflict is that Twilight organized books while her friends had fun, and then she thinks Discord cast an evil spell that made everybody had fun without her. The truth was that actually Discord encouraged everyone to leave Twilight in solitude, which she probably would have appreciated if the weekend hadn't turned out to be so memorable.
The writing for this episode doesn't really follow your normal formula for fiction. It's more like a diary entry from real life - something that actually happens to people.
All I can say is that it's weird. I don't know if it's the best way to hook an audience. I mean, it's believable, but the episode wasn't really a story as much as it was... I don't know. A day. I guess. One of those days where Twilight's shut-in personality led to her missing out on a party or fun social gathering.
>>25376341
>>25378181
And I mean think about that. Since the episode is written from Twilight's perspective, not only did she miss out on the fun but so do we. She doesn't get the jokes and neither do we. And at the end, the reason any of this happened was because Discord told everyone to let Twilight sort books, which she would have liked if it turned out to be a routine weekend.
Discord regularly appears to kind of dislike Twilight, so I don't know. He wasn't being evil. Just passive-aggressive, and aside from that he actually did entertain the girls and they really liked his company that weekend.
>>25378181
>I mean, it's believable, but the episode wasn't really a story as much as it was... I don't know. A day. I guess.
So basically what you're saying is that what I said is correct and that you can't come up with a counter argument to it but you still want to try to argue that you're right somehow.
Got it.
>>25378206
A counter-argument to what? I told you that if the episode is from Twilight's perspective, then the audience is going to get the jokes and enjoy the situation about as much as she is. If you play it straight and don't have Twilight do anything too crazy, then most of the episode is a little awkward and a little dull.
What are you arguing? That you watched the episode from Pinkie's perspective? Or you watched the episode from omniscient third person perspective? How the fuck did you do that? The episode was written from Twilight's perspective.
>Guy claims to like Spike
>Writes an episode where he's a dragon Charlie Brown but you're supposed to hate him and not pity him
Sure...
>>25378259
I watched it from my perspective, as on objective third party watching other people do things. And from that perspective the OP's criticism and yours fall flat.
>>25378276
Oh. Well that's cool. Hey, tell me how that episode played out from Celestia's perspective, since you can watch the episode from perspectives it wasn't written from.
I know you aren't actually a purple horse, you dumbass. Try to get with a high school understanding of English and writing perspectives.
>>25378298
I am now not entirely sure if I'm being trolled or not. And this isn't just deflection, your posts have just gotten dumber and dumber to the point where I can't make that call.
>>25378312
Do you know about writing perspectives? Like if you write a short story, it's written from first person, third person, omniscient, or whatever?
Are you old enough? Have they covered that in your classes yet?
The big problem with the episode, for me, is that the concept is kind of lazy; every single component has been done on the show in some way or form before (very often better) - e.g.:
* One character misses out on an event that other characters engaged in, and tries to remedy this: see Too Many Pinkies, and Mysterious Mare Do Well;
* Twilight massively overreacts to a minor problem - see Lesson Zero, and It's About Time;
* Spike vainly tries to get a character to calm the fuck down, but fails because he's a faggot - see Lesson Zero, It's about Time, Inspiration Manifestation, and Amending Fences;
* Discord is a manipulative douche - see every episode that has Discord as a character.
>>25378312
>>25378341
Nevermind, I'll explain.
There are several different perspectives when writing.
First person is when a story is written from the perspective of the author. You'll see phrases like "with trepidation, I crept towards the door and clasped the handle with shaking hands." Most video games are from first person perspective, where you play the role of the character in the story.
Second person perspective is when a narrator tells you a story about someone else, inserting his own take on their actions. Stuff like, "Now Pooh Bear was a silly old bear, and I think that's how he got his head stuck in that jar".
Third person is when an outside observer is watching the story as it progresses. MLP is written int he third person. This perspective can be omniscient, but it isn't always. So you might have third person from Twilight Sparkle's perspective, or you may have third person from the omniscient perspective. From the omniscient perspective, you're shown what other characters are doing and you know what's going on even if other characters don't. However, if you're not in the omniscient perspective, you're following a character's perspective. You follow that character and see what they see, you know what they think, but you don't know things they don't know.
Yesterday's episode was written in third person from Twilight's perspective. Caphiche?
>>25378103
Consider that perhaps that was the intent. To have the audience be immersed in the world through the PoV of the character. Where this guy's argument isn't good is in the fact that he didn't like it, a personal subjective experience, and then he argues his take as an objective reason to call it bad and falsely uses the whole audience to bolster his statement, as if to say the whole audience shared his sentiment.
The idea behind his tweet is solid; that is certainly a method of writing, and it does have an effect on the audience. The problem is he's saying the episode was bad because of that connection to the character, because he didn't laugh, because he felt awkward, because of the convention of writing that was used. That's perfectly fine because that's his opinion, he's allowed to not like things, but he wasn't arguing it as an opinion when he brings the audience into it to validate what he was saying.
Personally, I felt that was the strongest part of the episode; that it forms that connection with the audience to make them experience the things Twilight experienced and make them curious and want to know. I saw somebody compare it to Lesson Zero, outside of just Twilight going crazy, it instilled in the audience the emotions the character was feeling and made them sympathize and experience the same tense despair the character was dealing with.
>>25378476
But it doesn't really instill Twilight's feelings in the audience because it's still third person, even if from her perspective. It's just that, like her, we don't see the fun things or enjoy the jokes.
>>25378542
>It doesn't instill Twilight's feelings
>It's just that, like her, we don't see the fun things or enjoy the jokes
>>25378476
>it instilled in the audience the emotions the character was feeling and made them sympathize and experience the same tense despair the character was dealing with
Personally it made me feel that Twilight was a whiny jealous little bitch through the entire episode. If the episode did one positive thing, it woke me up to the fact that Twilicorn was a mistake - a mistake that must be ended.
>>25378579
Just because we don't see the jokes like her doesn't mean we have to feel and react like her.
>>25378579
Did you personally miss out on a bonding experience with your friends, or did you watch a horse complain that happened to her? It's the latter. That's the story you watched as it unfolded. Since it was all from Twilight's perspective it makes internal sense, but that doesn't mean you automatically feel the same things she does.
>gets criticized
>"I'm being threatened!"
Also, anyone who buys into that male Rachael Dozier is retarded, plain and simple.
>>25378582
Fuck off.
>>25378789
u mad
>>25378582
>Le Twhylicorn hate meme
Ebin. :^)
>>25378588
No it doesn't, I suppose it's up to personal interpretation. Regardless of what the writer's intentions might have been it always comes down to how the audience feels.
>>25378624
Why are you taking "audience stand-in" at it's most literal sense? No I did not find myself in an overly colorful magical world, as much as wishful thinking might want, but I did feel the connection with the character by experiencing what she was feeling because of how it was portrayed in the show. The whole point of the scenes, I believe, was to make the audience feel the same emotions Twilight was feeling and I think it did just that when the "criticism" in the OP image is complaining about feeling that way.
yet another nu-liberal that can't take people not liking his publicized work
wew
>>25378117
isn't that part of what twilight is when it comes to the show by representing the viewer
there's a reason she has basically been the main character since season 3
>>25378813
>Regardless of what the writer's intentions might have been it always comes down to how the audience feels.
And the OP claimed that everyone felt exactly the same way, which is untrue.
>>25378816
>there's a reason she has basically been the main character since season 3
She's been the main character since the show began.
>>25378816
The main character does not have to represent you and you do not have to feel the way they do or even relate to them.
>>25378789
>>25378813
The nightmare ends in: T-20 days
>>25378839
debatable but ok
she still represents the viewer though, so yeah, self-insert
>>25378857
>she still represents the viewer though
No, she doesn't.
>>25369378
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>>25378857
>she still represents the viewer though, so yeah, self-insert
I don't remember turning insane, stalking little kids, and turning my entire town into loonies because I missed a homework assignment.
>>25378885
The only part I remember is the stalking little kids
>>25378860
Agreed. People really need to learn the difference between sympathy and empathy.
We were supposed to sympathize were her being excluded from the jokes. At no point were we expected to empathize with her as she is called out by Spike almost immediately.
>>25369378
>some Undertale le tem XD memer thinking anything he says is legitimate
my sides
>>25378847
Keep on telling yourself that.
>>25378943
and throughout the entire episode
but peopme are autists and can't take a hint no matter how obvious
>>25378978
Are you actually this retarded?
The problem with Dusedau is that his entire writing style is "If it makes sense to me, it will make sense to everyone."
It actually was going pretty fine until he fucked up with that clusterfuck of a third act.
The conflict worked just fine from a thematic perspective. Structurally, attempting to make the audience feel uncomfortable so they can empathize with Twilight is presumably the goal here. Clearly from he reactions of the community, many people indeed feel this way. We could then way that yes, this episode was successful in this regard.
Unfortunately, one has to ask themselves if this was entertaining. I was not entertained, I was bored. I was bored because of the repetitive exposition, I think this can be boiled down to pacing. I don't think the issue here is the awkwardness itself, in-fact I wouldn't even call it uncomfortable or awkward, I would call it boring and uninteresting, but perhaps it's the amount of time we spend being bored and uninterested. We're hammered with the concept, we didn't need to spend the amount of time we spent on the conflict. Padding.
I personally found the episode as a whole to be entertaining, not because of this specific thread, but because of everything that was going on around of and outside of the thread. Spikes straight man/sarcastic supporting role, the references, seeing Twilight struggle and spiral, all of this was really great. Unfortunately we spend less time focusing on this great stuff, and more on establishing the fact that Discord and the rest of the mane 6 have inside jokes. Yeah, we get it, thanks guys.
This parallels to Princess Spike, boring dialogue and a dragged out plot was that episodes main issue as well. I'd recommend this writer work on these issues, and at least recognize them as problems so that he can improve on them. Clearly he seems uninterested, which is fine, but don't be surprised when you're met with so much contention.
>>25379066
>Clearly from he reactions of the community, many people indeed feel this way.
Where are these "reactions" other than the OP? This again sounds like trying to speak for the whole fandom.
But I do agree with your second point, the episode felt longer than it needed due to the repetition.
>>25378943
Semantics, we all understand what people mean when they say empathize. they're trying to basically say "We need to be given a reason to care"
>>25379113
>Semantics, we all understand what people mean when they say empathize.
That's a lot of assuming you're doing.
>>25369378
>>25369521
>>25369527
I'm disappointed by his sarcastic passive-aggressive smug shit. That's our gig! Stop copying us goddamnit. Find your own shit.
Even a plain fuck you, suck my dick, you're watching a little girls show, go write it yourself, would have been 100 times more powerful.
I am sick and fucking tired of every idiot following generation Z's geeky autistic personality.
>>25379123
Assumptions is all we can go by, unless you plan to run some kind of study on the matter, which is fine, but I would call that a massive waste of time, and incredibly autistic.
In my opinion, it doesn't matter if the episode was good or bad, nor if the criticism was good or bad, he acted like an asshole for no other reason than some guy saying he thought his writing was boring.
>>25379182
This. The guy even clarified and said that he didn't have any ill intentions until Neal got salty.
>>25379152
>gig
It's shtick dumbass.
>>25377522
2 shit-eating autists.
Man but the ferocity and determination they lie with.
Is he actually so fucking retarded to believe he wrote the episode?
The episode was written by Hasbro Studio corps, not some shit grade no name johnny test writer.
I didn't have a problem with the episode making the audience feel awkward, that's good writing and puts you in the characters shoes.
My problems were:
1) Twilight spazed out again over something that doesn't matter despite learning not too at least three times before.
2) Her friends suddenly lost all sense of empathy as well as loyalty or interest in their friends well being for no raisins, AGAIN, and continued to rub their party weekend in her face and excluded her despite how uncomfortable it was obviously making her.
3) No one noticed Discord trollfaceing and blatantly mocking and teasing Twilight until he points it out himself.
>>25379261
The large majority of the conflict in this entire show is based around characters going temporarily stupid. It's been like this since season 1.
>>25369902
Read this made me diamond hard. Thanks senpai.
>>25379278
As Larson likes to call it: It's like a sitcom that resets itself after every episode.
>>25379308
>mfw that entire show
>>25379261
1) When did she learn the lesson of not being jealous when she is excluded from something?
2) Her friends had no idea she was upset, as neither did Twilight (consciously at least). To them, they were just reminiscing on a fun time they had. They are not mind readers. Don't tell me you never did something that unintentionally hurt someone's feelings without knowing.
3) That is what Discord does even when he's being helpful. Remember how he helped Twilight figure out how to open the chest?
>>25379278
It shouldn't be excused, if this show is truly about imparting social lessons to young children then how the fuck can you have episodes like this and Lesson Zero and Canterlot Wedding that seemingly teach the audience:
"its totally fine to disregard or criticize the emotions of a friend when their inconvenient or may effect your own social standing because you can always appear remorseful later if they turn out to be correct or you want to get back in with them."
>>25379370
If that's the message you took from the episode then you might have some more serious issues.
>>25369979
This
>>25379260
The studio proposes the idea for an episode. The writes, aka this guy, write them as we know them, the storyboarders make the drawings according to the story the writer wrote. AKR makes sure this works.
>>25369378
Wasn't that the point of the episode though? To make the viewer uncertain and uncomfortable?
I thought it was very effective in that regard. I don't think kids would like it though, it felt more like an episode aimed towards the older viewers.
>>25379379
Nice ad hominem brah'
Seriously, if your in a social situation and not only are the people your with 'not noticing' their conversation is excluding you or making feel uncomfortable, but they don't try to include you in the conversation or change the topic for a whole day and one of the group keeps drawing attention to your discomfort and exclusion while the others laugh it up.
I'm afraid to tell you that these people aren't your friends, there actions are specifically designed to make you feel uncomfortable by not offering you any sort of common ground and the prolonged exclusion is often a hint they want you gone. In fact it sounds like not only do they not like you but they may be bullying you as well or at least allowing someone to bully you.
>>25369378
He really didn't have to be an asshole in responding to him.
>>25379590
Of they have the mindset of children and don't have fully developed social skills. Like the Mane 6. Because they are in a kid's show.
>>25379608
He wasn't, you hypersensitive brony. It was a joke.
>>25379590
Bro, you are projecting, hard! None of that shit actually happened to the degree you are claiming.
see >>25379358
>>25379590
I think your post needs to come with a warning: Rated A-R for Autistic Retard
>>25369902
So much this.
>>25379590
What? When I'm in a social situation with people making inside jokes, I don't get fucking uncomfortable, because I understand that I wasn't there. Literally who cares, you just move on with whatever you guys were doing, and the conversation changes. The way this is depicted in the show is obviously overly exaggerated, like most thematic elements in cartoons are.
Stop being such an aspie, you dumb brony.
>>25379627
No it didn't, because the whole situation was a poorly written episode far removed from realistic social behavior that thankfully was rescued by the fact that it had "and they all hugged" written at the end unlike the wailing or gnashing of teeth that will break out in class room's everywhere when incorrectly socialized children go around acting like inconsiderate asshats to each other.
>>25379765
You do realize that kids are going to emulate the moral, not just the first part right? Serious question, have you ever interacted with a child?
>>25369781
/k/ here
hang yourself
>>25379798
/b/ here
remember to film it
>>25379787
I see through your bait, Mr. Hanson.
>>25379787
You do realize that children will emulate the first part not just the moral? Serious question, have you ever interacted with a child?
>>25379787
No, most of them are not going to emulate anything, because most children live their daily lives in social situations, and those experiences have much more of an impact on their understanding of those very real situations than a dumb cartoon they watch does. Neuroplasticity also exists in the brains of children, you fucking autist.
>>25372179
>TheLivingTombstone fandom
