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Since the last thread was Walkure cover, let's use Hayate/Siegfried cover for this one
Also reminder the vocal collection is "out"
>[Mashin] [160706] TVアニメ「マクロスΔ」ワルキューレ 1stアルバム「Walküre Attack!」[MP3]
"Where the fuck are the episode 14 preview images" said everybody
>>14435258
> full version of Axia
God, I cannot handle these conflicting feels
>>14435343
>feels
>Steven Universe shit
Could you be any more homosexual?
>>14435362
Dunno. I'll defer to your extensive and superior and experience on the matter.
Man it just hurts to listen to Axia. I just play the entire fight scene back in my head
I thought Giraffe Blues was so good.
It hurts to be so happy and sad.
Are we sure that Mecha Collections VF-171 is the only VF-171 model we're getting from Delta?
Is there a FLAC or Windows Lossless version of the soundtrack? WL would be good for my Zune.
>>14435786
No FLAC until it's actually out
>>14435849
Shame. Even more of a shame that I need to convert it.
>>14435744
I'm pretty sure they won't be the only model, though it might take a while before we get anything else.
First of all, Hasegawa will get around to it, eventually. There's too many official schemes for the thing floating around for them not to, it's just a matter of time - since Hasegawa only really makes one new Macross kit per year, or thereabouts. They might up the pace a bit with the Macross Modelers thing, but don't expect miracles.
Bandai...might or might not make a transformable VF-171 kit. Basically, they didn't even try making grunt VFs in the 1/72 model kit lineup for Frontier before the project was discontinued; when they eventually did make them for the DX Chogokin toyline, they sold like hotcakes, but at that point the 1/72 kit line was two years dead.
Now, they know people are interested enough in grunt VFs to buy the ridiculously expensive DX toys, therefore they'll probably be even more interested in buying the more reasonably priced 1/72 kits. And as I said for Hasegawa, there's room for more than one release of the 171, because I've spotted I think three separate schemes for it in Delta alone, plus the ones that show up in Frontier and Mac-30.
Also, I think Bandai might test the waters at some point with a VF-25A kit, because that is literally only a color swap of the VF-25G with the gun from the other kits, and the only engineering they'd need to pay for is a new decal sheet with more numbers suitable for grunts.
So Kawamori announced something at Anime Expo?
http://www.project-the-next.com/message.html
>>14435987
What is the standard price of Chogokin anyway? I've seen them for about $175 on Amiami, and on Amazon for anywhere from $200-$500.
>>14436014
The toys were marketed with an MSRP of between 14,000 and 20,000 yen depending on which one, with the VF-25 and VF-171 versions being on the cheap end, the VF-27 and YF-29 somewhere in the middle, and the YF-30 and the Renewal Super VF-27 (the only one that retailed with Super parts IIRC, all the others had the super parts sold separately) at 20,000 yen.
The thing is though that they are all limited edition - they only make small-ish batches of around a thousand at a time, and if you miss them then you're stuck buying them second hand at huge markups due to being them collectibles.
Also, make note that there are two versions of the VF-25 and VF-27 toys out there, and at least in the case of the VF-25, the first version isn't worth the asking price. Any asking price, if I've understood the complaints right.
>>14436007
Kawamori doing transhumanism and what sounds like an AI rights war or something? Sounds interesting! Count me in.
>>14436078
>There is a known Quality Control issue with this edition. The black triangles that say NUNS that hold the shoulders on have been known to break. It is recommended that the screws holding these triangles together be loosened a half turn. Or take the part apart completely and re-enforce it with epoxy or glue.
This?
![1467419348308[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/SAREYdx.jpg "1467419348308[1].jpg")
I found Mikumo's origin.
>>14436145
That's the VF-171, IIRC. The original VF-25 toys didn't (just) have quality control issues, they had outright design flaws, like using plastic pegs for load bearing parts. Anymoon.com has a comprehensive review of both versions that point out the differences, and it's quite illuminating. The DX toys really didn't start to become good until the YF-29 toy.
Disclaimer: I don't own any of these things, as they're way out of my price range. Being a certified /a/utist and /m/echaphile, I've spent way too much time looking at reviews and shit though...
![117706[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/Q8wqitE.jpg "117706[1].jpg")
>>14436152
You wish she was suave enough to go toe-to-toe with Superman's daughter.
>>14436007
Anyone going to the Kawamori panel?
>>14436108
>http://www.project-the-next.com/message.html
>the tie between heart, body and soul which I depicted in “Aquarion” series
I don't think that theme was communicated well.
OMG! Wish I was there.
For that guy who wanted this.
http://www.mediafire.com/download/o280ongu1i6cb67/atgfs.rar
>>14435464
Just like Kaname!
>>14436561
Thanks a whole bunch! Now to work up a ginormous hand cramp hand-writing all those kanji into google translate to work out what they all say... :)
Some new goods.
>>14437028
Wait a minute...
>>14437029
Wat.
>>14437032
Lewd.
>>14437032
Looks like it might not be Hayate who teaches Mirage to dance...
>>14437032
Ahahaha, looking forward to seeing this!
>>14437032
I swear in the show AXIA has a guy singing in it but I can't hear it on the album version.
![[gg]_Macross_Delta_-_13_[B2027CA9].mkv_snapshot_19.58_[2016.06.29_20.23.03].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/uiSBsd2.jpg "[gg]_Macross_Delta_-_13_[B2027CA9].mkv_snapshot_19.58_[2016.06.29_20.23.03].jpg")
>>14437032
CUTE!
And that reminds me, was she singing on this part of last episode?
>>14437110
1:56
like a whisper or echo several lines are sung by Reina - it's easy to miss, it's also the only place and time in the song that is sung that way
>>14437314
Yeah on the album it isn't a dude singing but the version during the episode had a dude
https://youtu.be/33dk6ouxOS4
1:23
I can't hear it well on my headphones but I can hear it on my stereo
>>14437324
you're just delusional
>>14437324
You are right, I hear a guy's voice.
>>14437332
>>14437335
Which is it
>>14437324
>listening to tokyo mx rip, trying to hear minute details
kek. You're also wrong.
>>14437332
Not delusional, you really hear a guy singing in the part
>We are all born alone
>>14437339
No. You don't. Keith's laughing maybe. How you ever thought that was part of the song is beyond me
>>14437338
>>14437345
You must have shit quality speakers because I can clearly hear a dude repeating what kaname sang
>>14437345
That's not the sound of laughing at all, you can hear a guy's voice singing the same words as Kaname.
>>14437345
Your hearing must be really bad to hear a laughing sound in that part at all.
>>14437345
1:25 is specifically where the guy sings
Keith laughs at like 1:30
>>14437356
jesus fucking christ, that's kaname's voice in echo. 8/10, your samefagging made me listen again. I'm so done with you.
>>14437387
It's not her voice that's for sure.
>>14437387
Are you even listening to the video or are you retarded?
>>14437402
Not him, but there absolutely is no other voice singing, much less a male one.
>>14437032
Kawamori likes his wings, it would seem.
>>14437118
Lips movement wasn't in sync with dialog, no idea bout singing thou.
>>14437410
Suck my willy
>>14437029
>>14437032
That's....that's not an accidental spoiler right?
>>14437032
>She can't pull her weight piloting so she's relegated to idol duty
I'd say I'm surprised, but really it's expected.
>Now that I am in command, we shall take the Brisingr Cluster in the most efficient way possible!
>>14437579
They already cleared that wasn't going to happen with her not having fold receptors but even if that did happen, I don't think you can get "relegated" to singing duty and I think that would be more of a promotion if anything
>>14437571
maybe it's a spoiler to
>17 ep. Scattering On Stage
Mirage was all "This is because Freyja song" while Hayate scolded the White Knight, so i assume she will try singing in some joke maneror is just a promotional pic with no relevance to the plot
>>14437571
I wonder if Mikumo gets injured shielding Freyja at some point to say that Mirage is using her dress. Maybe she has to pretend to be Mikumo for a plan or something, since she vaguely looks like her, in that her hair is vaguely the same color or something?
>>14437608
They could just use holograms?Or Mikuno is some spaceghost possesing a nameless girl and goes to posses Mirage, who the fuck knows
>>14437588
>dat Keith.
>dat Bogue!
>dem twins and Heinz being totally on board...
How can Mirage be an idol? Isn't her whole thing being untalented and uncute?
>>14437638
>Mirage
>uncute
>>14437628
Well they'd still need to overlay the hologram on someone if she was out of action, but yea, that's true too.
>>14437628
Well they'd still need to overlay the hologram on someone if she was out of action, but yea, that's true too.
>>14437645
>Well they'd still need to overlay the hologram on someone
The holograms in Macross are so advanced that even in Frontier Sheryl was able to hold concerts where she was basically fucking herself. And that was 8 years ago. If they wanted to they could have 50 Mikumos gyrating independently on the deck of the Elysion.
>14434391
>what if freyja's fiancee is the replacement pilot for the knight that died.
Unlikely I think. As seen with the prequel manga of the Aerial Knights they start out knight training very young. 2nd heir farm boy is a peasant all his life.
>>14436618
use the google translate app on a smart phone
it recognizes moonrune text in pictures
>>14435464
shut up snapfit
>>14437324
ALL I HEAR IS FUCKING BOGUE
I kinda like Hayate's pilot jacket.
Wonder if there is one IRL (maybe a motorcycle jacket?) that might look similar
>Actually it kinda looks like one of the Dainese ones
>>14437912
Tried that before, didn't work very well. After umpteen tries when it just wouldn't recognize the kanji despite a really high rez scan, I decided screw it, I have a slate with a pen and I can damn well write them in by hand. It still takes google a few tries before it recognizes some of the characters, though.
Anyway, the stat blocks are basically all translated at this point, but that was the easy part. The descriptive blurbs will be more difficult, there's a crapload more text... but I'm starting to recognize certain kanji as I go, and I'm basically copy-pasting every kanji I get right into a notepad so I can paste it back instead of having to write it again, which speeds things up a bit
Northampton-class Stealth Frigate
Operational weight: 1,200 t
Overall length: 252.5 m
Overall width: 64.5 m
Maximum acceleration: 1.95G+
Crew: 32
Quantum Reaction Cannon: None
Induction Convergent Beam Gun (medium): 1 x 2
Induction Convergent Beam Gun (light): 1 x 4
Anti-ship Missile Launcher: 1 x 2
Close Air Defense Missile Launcher: 1 x 4
Carried craft:
Launches: 2 small vessels
First deployed in 2030.
>>14438012
Just make one. You can easily learn all the required skills from the internets.
Northampton-class Stealth Frigate (Reconnaissance type)
Operational weight: 1,150 t
Overall length: 252.5 m
Overall width: 64.5 m
Maximum acceleration: 1.975G+
Crew: 38
Quantum Reaction Cannon: None
Anti-ship Missile Launcher: 1 x 2
Close Air Defense Missile Launcher: 1 x 4
Carried craft:
Launches: 2 small vessels
First deployed in 2033
Northampton-class Stealth Frigate (Zentradi type)
Operational weight: 1,500 t
Overall length: 252.5 m
Overall width: 64.5 m
Maximum acceleration: 1.92G+
Crew: 32
Quantum Reaction Cannon: None
Induction Convergent Beam Gun (medium): 1 x 2
Induction Convergent Beam Gun (light): 1 x 6
Anti-ship Missile Launcher: 1 x 4
Close Air Defense Missile Launcher: 2 x 4
Carried craft:
Launches: 2 small vessels
First deployed in 2040
Northampton-class Stealth Frigate (Light Carrier Type)
Operational weight: 1,600 t
Overall length: 252.5 m
Overall width: 64.5 m
Maximum acceleration: 1.85G+
Crew: 56
Quantum Reaction Cannon: None
20mm Twin Beam CIWS: 2 x 10
Close Air Defense Missile Launcher: 2 x 2
Carried craft:
Variable Fighters: 25 (three spare aircraft) (typically VF-11)
Launches: 3 small vessels
Northampton-class Stealth Frigate (Second phase type)
Operational weight: 1,450 t
Overall length: 252.5 m
Overall width: 64.5 m
Maximum acceleration: 1.95G+
Crew: 28
Quantum Reaction Cannon: None
Induction Convergent Beam Gun (medium): 1 x 2
72mm Twin Beam Turret: x 2
58mm Twin Beam Turret: x 4
20 mm Twin Beam CIWS: x 12
Anti-ship Missile Launcher: 1 x 2
Close Air Defense Missile Launcher: 2 x 4
Carried craft:
Launches: 2 small vessels
First deployed in 2040?
"Osaka-class" Stealth Cruiser (Standard type)
Operational weight: 3,600 t
Overall length: 255 m
Overall width: 52.8 m
Maximum acceleration: 1.9G
Crew: 36
Quantum Reaction Cannon: None
Induction Convergent Beam Gun (medium): 1 x 6
72mm Twin Beam Turret: x 5
58mm Twin Beam Turret: x 4
20 mm Twin Beam CIWS: x 12
Anti-ship Missile Launcher: 1 x 6
Close Air Defense Missile Launcher: 2 x 4
Carried craft:
Launches: 2 small vessels
First deployed in 2043
"Osaka-class" Stealth Cruiser (Zentraedi type)
Operational weight: 3,900 t
Overall length: 255 m
Overall width: 52.8 m
Maximum acceleration: 1.88G
Crew: 36
Quantum Reaction Cannon: None
Induction Convergent Beam Gun (medium): 1 x 4
72mm Twin Beam Turret: x 5
58mm Twin Beam Turret: x 4
20 mm Twin Beam CIWS: x 12
Anti-ship Missile Launcher: 1 x 6
Close Air Defense Missile Launcher: 2 x 4
Carried craft:
Launches: 2 small vessels
No date of first deployment provided
"Osaka-class" Stealth Cruiser (Air Defense type)
Operational weight: 3,600 t
Overall length: 255 m
Overall width: 52.8 m
Maximum acceleration: 1.9G
Crew: 36
Quantum Reaction Cannon: None
Induction Convergent Beam Gun (medium): 1 x 4
72mm Twin Beam Turret: x 4
58mm Twin Beam Turret: x 5
20 mm Twin Beam CIWS: x 20
Anti-ship Missile Launcher: 1 x 6
Close Air Defense Missile Launcher: 2 x 4
Carried craft:
Launches: 2 small vessels
No date of first deployment provided
"Osaka-class" Stealth Cruiser (Reconnaissance type)
Operational weight: 3,500 t
Overall length: 255 m
Overall width: 52.8 m
Maximum acceleration: 1.95G
Crew: 30
Quantum Reaction Cannon: None
Induction Convergent Beam Gun (medium): 1 x 2
72mm Twin Beam Turret: x 2
58mm Twin Beam Turret: x 2
20 mm Twin Beam CIWS: x 11
Close Air Defense Missile Launcher: 2 x 4
Carried craft:
Launches: 2 small vessels
No date of first deployment provided
"Osaka-class" Stealth Cruiser (Gunship type)
Operational weight: 4,800 t
Overall length: 274.65 m
Overall width: 52.8 m
Maximum acceleration: 1.75G
Crew: 34
Quantum Reaction Cannon, medium-sized: 1
Induction Convergent Beam Gun (medium): 1 x 4
72mm Twin Beam Turret: x 3
58mm Twin Beam Turret: x 4
20 mm Twin Beam CIWS: x 11
Close Air Defense Missile Launcher: 2 x 4
Carried craft:
Launches: 2 small vessels
No date of first deployment provided
>>14438032
> The acceleration is provided by the same means as Gundam, using maximum G tolerance.
Interesting. Also funny in a dry chuckle way that they're all faster than the Nu since I was looking up the numbers for a different thread earlier.
>>14438035
>>14438012
Make a motorcycle jacket?
You want him to die?
I think the Dainese Super Speed Textile could come close.......sorta
http://www.revzilla.com/motorcycle/dainese-super-speed-textile-jacket
>>14438072
>MFW Gundam can't keep up with a ship of the line.
Heh...heh.
>>14438072
To be fair MS aren't made for intergalactic purposes save the Stargazer and 00 quanta
Just finished the carriers, only the Macross-type vessels to go. I find the stated "operational weights" are really wonky:
Daedalus II-class Amphibious Assault Aircraft Carrier
Operational weight: 846,500 t
Overall length: 476 m
Overall width: 207.3 m
Maximum acceleration: 1.65G
Crew: 00 (sic)
Quantum Reaction Cannon: None
Induction Convergent Beam Gun (medium): 2 x 7
"Missile Launcher fro the medium- and short-range "Phalanx 2" (21 twin x 2 x 2)" (I have no idea how to parse this)
* Converted to 20mm Beam CIWS in modernized units
Carried Craft:
Variable Fighters: 120
Destroids: 50
Armor Plaque (certainly got that wrong): 8
Launches: 6 medium and 10 small craft
Guantanamo-class Escort Space Carrier
(Google wants to translate the kanji for Space Carrier as "Battlestar"...)
Operational weight: 9,500 t
Overall length: 352.0 m
Overall width: 111.0 m
Maximum acceleration: 1.45G
Crew: 250
30 mm twin beam CIWS: x 2
20 mm twin beam CIWS: x14
Carried craft:
Variable fighters: 40-45 (maximum capacity 70)
Launches: 4 medium and 4 small craft
Uraga-class dual-use stealth aircraft carrier
Operational weight: 25,0000 t (sic)
Overall length: 550 m
Overall width: 128.3 m
Max acceleration: 1.75G
Induction Convergent Beam Gun (medium) 1 x 2
58 mm Twin Beam Turret: x 4
20 mm Beam CIWS: x 4
Anti-ship Missile Launcher: 1 x 4
Close Air Defense Missile Launcher: 2 x 10
Carried craft:
Variable Fighters: 70-75 (maximum capacity 120)
Launches: 8 medium and 6 small craft
>>14438163
Yeah. Like, just remember how much area Isamu and Guld covered in their dogfight during plus. They started in orbit and then crossed whole cities and nations in minutes. And thats before they split off to tackle different problems on the surface of the planet.
A single VF crosses in one dogfight distances that mobile suits take days.
Mother Raven-class dual-use stealth aircraft carrier
Operational weight: 18,000 t
Overall length: 475 m
Overall width: 142 m
Maximum Acceleration: 2.05G
Crew: 320
20 mm Beam CIWS x 14
Anti-ship missile launcher: 1 x 4
Close air defense missile launcher: 2 x 10
Carried craft:
Variable Fighters: 50-60 (maximum capacity 80)
Launches: 5 medium and 4 small craft
Note: This is the "Saratoga II" type carrier from VF-X2
"Kaga-class" stealth space carrier
Operational weight: 380,000 t
Overall Length: 550 m
Overall Width: 196.4 m
Maximum Acceleration: 1.75G
Crew: 750
Induction Convergent Beam Gun (large) 1 x 2
72 mm twin beam turret: x 6
20 mm twin beam CIWS: x40
Anti-ship missile launcher: 1 x 8
Close Air Defense Missile Launcher: 1 x 20
Carried craft:
Variable Fighters: 120 (max 180)
Launches: 10 medium and 8 small craft
>>14438327
They operate on different levels. Also something like a macross quarter doesn't really have any equivalence in terms of mobility.
>>14438327
Name a Gundam that can reach Earth escape velocity from a standing start with standard equipment.
>>14438362
Probably something like 00 or Qant.
>>14438368
00 couldn't, it started falling back into the atmosphere after chopping up the Memento Mori with the Raiser Sword.
>>14438362
God Gundam
>>14437032
All of my yes.
The gate to the new world has been opened.My soul shall be the wind that enters the gate.When the Sleeping King awakes,my body, too, shall surely rise.
>Epitaph on the tombstone ofMesser Ihlefeld
>>14438360
It doesn't have to. SR-71 proved that if you can fly or accelerate fast enough, you don't have to dodge. Sure, even Quarter is a big target but it carries greater firepower and even AA destroids will be dangerous for mobile suit en masse.
>>14438375
Wasn't it so because it run out of particles after that attack?
>>14437889
Speaking of the Manga, is ch3 up anywhere other than MangaFox ? I don't want to give those fuckers clicks; especially since they started adding watermarks to scanlations done by other groups.
>>14437032
this makes my dick feel good.
Macross noob here. What's the difference between the VF and YF designations?
>>14438910
VF- Production version.
YF- Prototype
>>14438910
YF means it's a prototype. VF is the designation for mass-produced models.
>>14438910
A YF indicates a prototype, like the YF-19 and YF-21 in Marcross Plus. A VF designation indicates a production version, though it might be limited in production or customised heavily. So the production versions of much the same machines as Plus are called the VF-19 and VF-22 in Marcross 7. The production versions are better too, since the kinks are worked out and performance increased due to the years between allowing more testing and better materials and so on.
>>14438910
VF is the general designation of a Variable Fighter model.
YF is reserved for prototypes units, which often are not exactly what enters production. This is a term that is actually taken from certain real life contracts.
So the test unit for the 19 model plane was the YF-19, but the version that was actually produced and sold was the VF-19. If there was a redesign during the development process, you might even end up with a YF-19 and a YF-19B and so on, but the end result is still the VF-19.
>>14438933
>>14438936
>>14438939
>>14438947
Thanks guys. They must have done a shitload of tweaking to allow normal pilots to use the pilot killer that was the YF-19 though.
>>14438992
They also didn't mass produce it much. After the YF-19 penetrated Earth's global defense net, Earth decided not to let any of the offworld colonies have access to it. Even decades later, by the time of Delta, you don't see 19s in colony hands even though VF-25 and later generations outdo it in basically every aspect.
Though, it is worth noting that the later generation VFs are no longer UN spacey produced. They are made by PMCs like the SMS and Xaos. So it may very well be that the actual UN spacey forces still have not caught up to the 19 yet, and small numbers of late generation VFs under the control of independent contractors handle the situations that require heavier machines.
>>14439048
>After the YF-19 penetrated Earth's global defense net
They really should've improved on that, the fact that Isamu solo'd it alone thought just speaks about his skill
>>14438992
Yeah, they made changes.
http://www.macross2.net/m3/macross7/vf-19f.htm
>The fighter form of the YF-19 boasted astounding maneuverability performance but had a fatal decrease in maneuverability control. The VF-19 aimed to improve the balance by reworking the fuselage structure, but the VF-19 Custom daringly maintains high maneuverability by following the original YF-19 concept. Other differences from the YF-19 prototype can be found in both "F-type" and "S-type" Excaliburs, such as replaced engines with more stable output and a simplified airframe body. These changes found in the VF-19 Excalibur create a comprehensive performance that not only allow average pilots to control the craft but also exceed the prototype unit.
>>14439048
>Earth decided not to let any of the offworld colonies have access to it.
But we do see colony worlds and UN planetary bases with Excaliburs. The Macross 7 fleet had a couple, and the Zolan forces had one.
>>14439048
There's at least one VF-19 on Zola in Dynamite 7, which is worse than the production model ones Emerald Force use in 7 TV according to it's stats.
The NUNs forces also still use VF-171EXs by Delta. They're only a colonial arm on a world far, far from Earth though. It's in a satellite cluster to our galaxy it's so far out really. Closer or more important worlds probably use better stuff like a VF-28 or one of the other unused destinations.
>>14439123
I wish people would stop saying he solo'd the defense net or using it as an example of his skill given that he not only didn't he solo it, he didn't even try. He literally turned off all power and hoped he wouldn't be detected because the defence net was too busy with all the other ships. He said himself it would be purely down to luck, though he thought of that as another skill of his.
>>14439144
Basara's Fire Custom actually exceeds the prototype in all aspects, at least statistically. And considering it apparently has the same fuselage issues, it's probably at least as difficult to control.
Zola has monkey models VF-19s though, yea.
>>14438459
Clever
The VF-19 was actually nerfed repeatedly, not really because the Earth government was worried about it, but because it was such a handful to fly. And the first-generation production machines were so expensive a lot of buyers went "fuck it, we'll wait", until the VF-19F and S came out. Which were still expensive, but at least flyable by a slightly above average fighter pilot.
The VF-19P is nerfed further still because it's sold to civilian agencies, who don't need the performance.
The thing is though that all versions of the VF-19 still retain the airframe toughness necessary to handle the YF-19's performance - which is part of why they're still expensive even dumbed down - and if you're willing to spend the money, you can bring even the monkey models up to performance rivalling or exceeding the YF-19. And with modern technology such as the Inertial Storage Converter which was still in its infancy during Project Super Nova, you can actually make a VF-19 model that's superior in every way to the YF-19 and still flyable without being Isamu Dyson.
Which is exactly what happens in Macross The Ride, where several of the competitors in the Vanquish races fly updated versions of the VF-19 that were developed by their home fleets, rather than Shinsei's HQ on Earth. Other people take those same technologies and apply them to older airframes, including the VF-11, VF-1, VF-0 and Sv-51 - can't check right now because my lap is full of cat, but IIRC the VF-0 version in M:tR has VF-19 engines...
>>14439685
VF-19F/S have higher engine output than that YF-19 and simplified airframe for easier control. They are capable of more consistent and faster performance than the YF-19. They don't have to be modified for greater performance, they already are better.
>>14439704
They're faster, but the first generation VF-19s had way more maneuverability. It was just that the edge of the envelope was kind of razor sharp, one second it's still under control, and the next it's completely out of it, and unless you're Isamu Dyson or Max Jenius with the reflexes of a rattlesnake and instinctive understanding of exactly what to do, you're not getting control back in time to save the plane.
The monkey-models can be modded back to that level of maneuverability by applying improved tech that wasn't available at the time the YF-19 was built - such as the ISC and more advanced computer control that's been developed in the almost 20 years since the YF-19.
>>14439776
> Forgetting Millia, Guld and Basara
Wow...75 lucky Macross fans.
>>14440138
Fuck, come to NYC Kawamori!
>>14437032
THE HELL IS THIS?!
>>14440138
clip your nails, hobbit-kun
>>14440208
I agree...not my photo. LOL.
>>14438321
That's cool that they included the Daedalus II, seeing as it's only appearance is non-canon; it always felt like it would have fit in with the existing timeline.
>>14439704
The VF-19F/S were retooled from the VF-19EF which was the export monkey model.
>>14440336
The monkey model thing for the VF-19 confuses me a bit. The VF-19EF is the monkey model, but is the VF-19E a monkey model too? It's listed on the Macross Compendium as an SMS unit, but it doesn't make it clear if that's a monkey model too, or if the monkey model was just created from the VF-19E. I see a VF-19 Advance listed there too, which just adds more confusion, since I've no idea what unit that is and I don't see it there itself. Is that the one Isamu flew in Macross Frontier: The Wings of Goodbye?
>>14440417
The Advance was the one Isamu flew in the second MacF movie, yes.
>>14437912
>>14438019
KanjiTomo is a great Java-based OCR reader for Japanese kanji. I use it for my translation projects.
>>14440297
Yeah, it's a cool design. The stats for the ships as described are really kind of wonky though, as will become evident:
New Macross Class Ultra-Large Stealth Aircraft Carrier
Operational weight: 7,770,000 t
Overall length: 1510.0 m
Overall width: 344.0 m
Max acceleration: 1.5G
Crew: 6,500
Large Quantum Reaction Cannon: 1
Induction Convergent Beam Gun (Medium) 2 x 16
20mm Twin Beam CIWS: x 60 (retractable)
Anti-ship missile launcher: 6 x 4 (retractable)
Close air defense missile launcher: 1 x 20
Carried craft:
Variable fighters: 450
Variable bombers: 250
Large variable bombers: 9
Other types: 100
(Unmanned aircraft: 300-500)
(Destroids: 120)
Launches: Numerous
New Macross Class Ultra-large stealth aircraft carrier (for Immigration fleet)
(Note: I have no idea what's going on with this one, illustration shows a Battle-7 type carrier with no visible turrets, but the top of the stat block is completely messed up. Readable, but makes no sense. See for yourself)
Operational weight: 26330 t
Overall length: 214.6 m
Overall width: 31.0 m
Maximum Acceleration: Wave engine 1 groups
Crew: 27.5 space knots
Large Quantum Reaction Cannon: 1
Induction Convergent Beam Gun (large): 1 x 12
20mm Twin Beam CIWS: x 60
Anti-ship missile launchers: 6 x 4 (retractable)
Close air defense missile launchers: 1 x 20
Carried craft:
Variable fighters: 450
Variable bombers: 250
Large variable bombers: 9
Other types: 100
(Unmanned aircraft: 300-500)
(Destroids: 120)
New Macross Class Ultra-Large Stealth Aircraft Carrier (second phase type)
Operational weight: 16,550,000 t
Overall length: 1681.0 m
Overall width: 345.0 m
Max acceleration: 1.5G
Crew: 6,300
Large Quantum Reaction Cannon: 1
Induction Convergent Beam Gun (Medium) 2 x 16
20mm Twin Beam CIWS: x 60 (retractable)
Anti-ship missile launcher: 6 x 4 (retractable)
Close air defense missile launcher: 1 x 20
Carried craft:
Variable fighters: 450
Variable bombers: 250
Large variable bombers: 9
Other types: 100
(Unmanned aircraft: 300-500)
(Destroids: 120)
Launches: Numerous
New Macross Class Ultra-Large Stealth Aircraft Carrier (second phase type breaks)
Operational weight: 17,350,000 t
Overall length: 1681.0 m
Overall width: 345.0 m
Max acceleration: 1.5G
Crew: 6,800
Large Quantum Reaction Cannon: 1
Medium Quantum Reaction Cannon: 2
Long range induction convergent beam gun: 2 x 2
Induction convergent beam gun (medium): 2 x 12
20 mm twin beam CIWS: x 60 (retractable)
Anti-ship missile launcher: 6 x 4 (retractable)
Close air defense missile launcher: 1 x 20
Carried craft:
Variable fighters: 350
Variable bombers: 100
Large variable bombers: 30
Other types: 50
(Unmanned aircraft: 200-400)
(Destroids: 120)
Launches: Numerous
t/n: Only have the Macross Quarter and its component ships left to do stat blocks for, and I don't like the assumptions the book author made for those ships as they match the DX toy and anime shooting model very poorly.
Then again, so do some of these, as the Battle Frontier (which is the one in the picture that goes with the "Second phase type") has twelve twins and 4 triple "Induction Convergent beam Guns", plus a couple of twin guns that the book doesn't mention on the shooting model.
Also, the main gun of the Battle Frontier is a different type from the guns on all the other New Macross-type ships we see, including the Battle Galaxy, going by the anime footage.
>>14438321
Not Armored Plaque, but Armored Boat or Armed Pinnace, is how I'd translate 装甲艇
>>14438032
Is this an official sourcebook or something?
>tfw the Macross fleets no longer have an equivalent of a DDG
It hurts. I just want my missile spam without the VF/Destroid-carrying capacity guys
any /m/en going to the kawamori panel at AX?
>>14440937
>>14440138
>Kawamori will never visit my country because it's filled with casual narutards
It hurts
>>14440838
>>14441153
Thank you anon. Please post more photos if possible.
>>14441153
So the next Macross project is called Generations?
>>14441180
photos and recordings are not allowed, ill try to post updatewls tho
>>14441169
I said DDG (Guided Missile Destroyer), not CVN (Nuclear Aircraft Carrier)
![Macross 7 17(DVD) - (9be4f0e8) Central Anime.mkv_snapshot_12.22_[2016.06.13_00.23.26].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/aGt6Xym.jpg "Macross 7 17(DVD) - (9be4f0e8) Central Anime.mkv_snapshot_12.22_[2016.06.13_00.23.26].jpg")
>>14441182
>>14441193
Text is just fine thanks anon. Judging by the line photos looks like a nice crowd. If anyone asks Robotech questions please shame them.
>>14441193
Why?
>>14441218
>Harmony Gold jokes go here
>>14441218
Have you ever been to a con? Photos and recordings during panels are almost always discouraged. Because otherwise you get like 10% of the crowd being mouthbreathers, standing up and holding their phones at celebrities. Its distracting for whoever is speaking, and it doesn't make things any better for the people sitting near or behind them either.
>>14441237
Shoji Kawamori @ Macross panel at AX mentions seeing Apollo missions as inspiration.
>>14440417
I assume the 19E is not a monkey model.
The Advance is the one Isamu flew in Frontier's movie, yes. Its basically the prototype with updated avionics and engines iirc.
The interesting is that while the EF is a monkey model, its still limited even within SMS.
>>14441300
Can't pay for all the parts and pilot insurance, yaknow!
Even in the far future of the Macross Universe, government spending still sucks as far as defense is concerned.
>>14441300
>>14440417
19E is an A-type with the same engines as the F-type, my 19 masterfile says 78,500 kg x2 for both and interestingly only 68,950 kg x2 for the S.
>>14441348
No I'm wrong, I didn't look closely at the diagram. It's an F type with either the A wings or 19 Custom style ones.
>>14441242
I've been to PAX East, and I don't remember anyone ever bringing up photos and recordings. Hell, there were a ton of camera flashes in most of the panels I went to. And Toonami panel allowed photos.
k, got alot of notes about Kawamori, will posylt when i get home
>>14441434
quick fact, Plus's dogfight is based on Kawamoro and Itanos experience when they flew against each other in Anaheim while researching
>>14441453
They flew across several thousand kilometers trying to kill each other because they wanted the same woman?
>>14441453
>Anaheim
I knew there was something fishy about that test area in the anime.
>>14438321
Is the Kaga class a doujin design for this book? Don't remember this showing up in any games or supplemental material.
(picture unrelated)
>>14441482
Huh, I don't remember that particular FAST pack setup.
>>14441482
It's from the alternate timeline, showed up in Macross 2036 and Eternal Love Song (2037).
>>14441481
>we want the macross audience
>>14441494
The same timeline that brought us babe-Komilia, and while the events in those games definitely don't fit, her appearance is head-canon for me, since she was designed by Mikimoto, and that flightsuit is the canonical 2030's VF-4 suit in Macross 7 Trash.
>>14441499
DAMN YOU ANAHEIM
>>14441434
Did he announce new animu?
>>14441529
yes, "The Next" dunno if working title or what, saw a 10 second teaser with some silhouettes
theme of destruction and creation
>>14441529
>>14441553
heres a link to the site
http://www.project-the-next.com/>>14441529
My friend was taking a picture of cosplayers when some old fag jumps in the middle and does the Walkure sign. He's not even dressed up, who does this guy think he is?
>>14441557
Looks like it'll be
>Aquarion THE Next
Chances of there being a new OP/ED for episode 14?
>>14441613
Look at those fucking dorks against the wall in the back. Looks like they're ready to shoot up a high school. UGH.
That Reina on the right though...would get my jellyfish.
>>14441613
>Dat Max Jenius helmet
I wish they still sell those. I don't think they've restocked any helmets.
>>14441632
>UGH
If only they'd shoot up yours.
>>14441613
>no one cosplays as Kaname
>>14441644
>lose career
>lose idol center
>lose husbando/"best friend"
>friendzoned by Arad
>forgotten by cosplayers
What should we add to the list of suffering next?
>>14441654
Please keep your autism to yourself anon.
>>14441613
>you will never be as FABULOUS as Kawamori
>>14441664
Where do you think you are?
>>14441680
<<< This is the Round Table. Dead men's words hold no meaning. >>>
>>14441654
saw a kaname on my way out, didnt get a pic tho
>>14441680
Not in the Shitphogear General, that's for sure.
I was under the assumption that Macross threads were a bit more sophisticated based on all the hate previous waifu figures in the series get. My apologizes for being so misinformed.
>>14436434
What's the deal with that F-15?
>>14441715
Delta's girls are inoffensive. They aren't unlikable (except Makina and Rei because their voices are a little grating) but it kind of takes away from the drama because there's no reason to really want one over the other, it's just waifu vs waifu and whichever design panders to you more is your waifu. Personally I think this detracts from the usual dynamic but it also makes discussion a lot simpler. Nobody gets into shitfits about waifus, so we can just quickly discuss and just as quickly move on to talking about VFs and the story.
>shitposting makes you sophisticated
you should have known better
>>14441726
Looks like a G1 Thundercracker with WALKÜRE scribbled across the entire wing.
>>14437579
Mirage never wanted to be a pilot, she wanted to join Walkure. It's probably her delusional dream she's replacing Mikumo (it's her dress).
>>14441743
Don't make shit up. People might actually believe you
>>14441732
But I like MakiRei
>>14441752
Correction,MakiReina
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XiBYM6g8Tck
>>14441752
>Don't make shit up. People might actually believe you
It's not make up. She had an interest on joining Walkure when Arad scouted her for Delta. She is infatuated with Minmay and admires her aunt Mylenne. All those envious looks she gives to Freyja isn't for Hayate, it's because she's living her dream while she's stuck doing what she considers "her duty."
>>14441636
That isn't the Yamato helmet. It's the one made by Masei Helmets...they're all over E-Bay for pretty cheap.
>>14441807
Oh, the biker versions?
>>14441816
Yeah it's actually pretty neat. Much better than paying $500 for the oversized Yamato one...and you can actually wear it on a motorbike.
>>14441453
>Itano
They were at Air Combat USA in Fullerton.
>>14441861
Speaking of Itano is the guy really the arrogant prick he comes off as? Almost all the interviews I've read about him give that impression. He just seems like a bad person to work with.
>>14441861
Wouldn't it be nice if the USAF Thunderbirds let Itano and Kawamori ride in them like what they did for Gerard Butler?
>>14441864
Typical married-to-the-job perfectionist, I assume.
>>14441854
The Yamato ones were meant to emulate actually pilot helmets after all.
Ok, I'm home, time to start dumping.
Kawamori
>lived in a rural area that could get 2.5 meters of snow
>At 3 yrds old, moved to a port town (Yokohama)
>Experienced culture shock as he saw cars and other technology compared to where he was from
>Was very interested in the Apollo project as a child, following it on black and white TV
>Dad was an engineer and would show him around naval bases
>In the 2nd grade, was given german lego-style toys to play with, had more freedom of movement than legoes do
>Started building moving/transforming designs
>Started drawing in middle school
>Was in 9th grade when Space Battleship Yamato aired
>friend got contact info for Studio Nue
>Invited to a SciFi gathering where people could submit their ideas and designs and receive critique
>met Haruka Takachiho (Crusher Joe, Dirty Pair) and Kazutaka Miyatake (Yamato)
>met Kenichi Matsuzaki (Writer for 0079)
>met designs of the Starship Troopers power armor (considers it the birth of "real robot")
>became friends with Mikimoto and 2 others in High School
>Made a summer project manga where he did story and design while Mikimoto did characters
>Senior year of HS, did scifi designs as a part-time job
>Joined Studio Nue in Sophomore year of college
>>14441941
>lived in a rural area that could get 2.5 meters of snow
>>14441941
Macross
>19 yrs old, working at Studio Nue
>6 months in, helped design Diaclone Robots
>helped design what would become Optimus Prime
>Had problems with creating transforming designs because the driver seat and engine would "disappear"
>Decided future designs would keep that in mind and try to address it
>20 yrds old, new pitch for a series Genocidist(?) which featured gerwalk-style designs was rejected
>Had an overnight meeting with his friends and they brainstormed what would become Macross (Giant enemies, transforming battleship, town inside a carrier)
>Justification for giant robots was to have giant enemies
>Wanted to focus on "Vitality of a private citizen," an individual that aspired to be a singer, thus creating Lynn Minmay
>Kawamori and Mikimoto studied mechanical engineering in college
>Would have meetings in classrooms but would frequentely get kicked out
>>14441886
He's just a hardcore perfectionist who isn't afraid to result to insults to get the job done.
>Shit talking the Gonzo CGI team during Blassreiter's production to get them to do a better job.
He's not even afraid to call out old friends for some dopey stuff. Like the "Michael sniping from an asteroid" thing in Macross F.
>>14441955
Heh, sounds like a lot of other perfectionists I know.
>>14441951
Designing VF-1
>Wanted a design that was less toy-like and more military
>Trying to figure out how to make it transform without looking silly
>Toymakers told him "airplanes do not sell"
>Thought to himself that if something won't sell, it has a big chance. He wanted to be the one who wanted to show it can be done.
>studied airplanes and plastic models (F-14)
>noticed that there was enough space between the engines for arms to fold in between the gap
>Next day designed first draft, had really stocky proportions
>Next attempt had an issue where you could still see the arms folded in place from the top of the plane form
>Next revision became what is now the VF-1
>had a mock-up made and showed it to the toy company and exactly how it could transform
>Executives that once shot him down gave him the go ahead
>Began working on Macross storyline
>>14441941
Sasuga desune!
>>14441963
I like how the GERWALK mode was discovered by accident.
>>14441963
War Without Weapons
>Wanted to distance Macross from Star Wars and other Sci-Fi pieces at the time
>Came up with idea of Zentradi, who had no culture, and the singer Minmay
>ideas came together as the idea of culture shock
>Staff was not confident in the idea but as a lead member of the team, Kawamori went through with the idea
>went to create the episode "Love Flows" (Episode 27 of SDF)
TV -> Movie
>Wanted to get away from trend of movies being recut compiliations of TV shows
>New ideas like the Minmay hologram concert (pointed out funny how it is now becoming a reality)
>At this point, he is 23 yrs old and in his 3rd year of college, decides to drop out for his career
>Afterwards takes a 10 year break from Macross
You guys think they'll release a model of the SV-154 soon? Would want to give it Bundes-Luftwaffe decals, really.
>>14441980
Brief mention of Macross 7 (Worried about time left before we get kicked out)
Macross Plus
>Researched by trying to pilot at Air Combat USA in Anaheim
>Itano also piloted a plane
>Dogfight in Plus is based on their experiences flying against each other
>Staff was hesistant about the inclusion of AI / Virtual Idols
Macross Zero
>Beginning of use of computer graphics for design
>Genesis of Aquarion is when the studio became more confident in using CG for humanoid mecha
Macross Frontier
>The prison Sheryl is held in in Wings of Goodbye is based on Alcatraz from when Kawamori visited San Francisco
Macross Delta
>theme of teamwork
>Hope fans enjoy the rest of Delta
>Happy that the BDs have official english subs
>>14441980
>>At this point, he is 23 yrs old and in his 3rd year of college, decides to drop out for his career
Wow.
>>14441988
>Alcatraz
Explains the LIVE IN ALCATRAZ schtick then.
>>14441988
"The Next"
>played a teaser
http://www.project-the-next.com/
>Will be next project after Delta
No time for Q&A cause the panel was only an hour long and not many details about the new project.
That's all I got anons!
>>14441998
Thank you.
>>14441998
Very appreciated anon.
>>14441998
Good workbuddy
>>14438459
So he's coming back?
I just realized that the other detachable carrier on the Elysion is another reference to something Greek; in this case, one of the Primordial deities of the Greek pantheon.
>>14442065
It'san Ace Combat Zero joke; it's the epitaph of one of the enemy aces in the game.
Would be scary if that was really the case tho.
>>14442068
The two are a pair . Like night and day
>>14442075
Wait, they're light and day. Scratch that then. Still related tho
>>14441951
So all Kawamori did for Macross was mechanical design?
>>14441988
>theme of teamwork
>Mirage, Chuck, and Hayate are still jobbers
>Freyja on her own is more powerful than the rest of Walkure
Yeah sure.
>>14442102
He came up with the mechanical designs and the original concept.
>>14442068
Chaos logo is in greek
>>14442111
You can't get unit cohesion overnight when a new commander is at the helm, bruh.
Look at what happened to you Americans at Kesserine Pass.
>>14442111
The team is Hayate-Freyja. The original set up for Delta was singer-pilot pair in a school club.
I like the Elysion's design so much more than Quarter. I find Quarter to be not really eye-pleasing for some reason.
>>14442189
Maybe it's the split-up hull design that Quarter had? She does look like a man lying down.
>>14442193
Yeah, it does look like it was designed with the humanoid mode first and ship second.
>>14441499
To be fair, they got it. I love the Z-plus series.
>>14442206
Well, them wanting to cut down on transformation time to make the Quarter mobile and fast is somewhat justified.
>>14435343
>>14435464
Reminder that AXIA would be better if its only music wereSpanish Guitars (tm)
Anybody else finding it neat that Lloyd has a SOVEREIGN CUSTOM set of glasses in the event that he has to take the reigns in behalf of Heinz?
>>14442286
>good thing I have my treachery glasses with me today
>>14442286
I thought it was mourning glasses, seeing as they were silver/white as opposed to the more gaudy gold he had on prior.
>>14442087
Actually in mythology, Hermera is Aether's wife. So even more related.
>>14442136
That sounds like rehashing the crappiest part of Frontier.
>>14442290
Nope. I checked the design on the 'wings' and realized they looked EXACTLY like the King's 'crown'. Being the Chancellor and all, Lloyd is prepared with all the right accessories.
>>14442289
pic related
>>14442293
The primordial gods of light and day are now residing in the Fields of Elysium. Kek.
After the Macross fan event, Mirage needs Freyja to die to be a rebound after a mourning process. Every VA affirms that Freyja is the most important person to Hayate and needs her to basically function.
>>14442294
It was a club of pilots buffed by their singing partners and, if you interpret and read between the lines Kawamori's statement, he wanted to try to eliminate one of the classic Macross elements (mecha, music/pop idols, and love triangle) but the sponsors didn't let him. If it already had idols and his planes, which element do you think he would have axed on a show that was supposed to be about the bond of two people: a pilot and a singer who buffed him? The love triangle.
Now look at Mirage's 'development' until now and understand a little of how much she's forced on the show.
>>14441955
> Michael sniping from an asteroid" thing in Macross F
That doesn't sound like shit talking though, it sounds like hypocrisy. There was stuff just as bad in SDF Macross.
>>14442443
Of course, Itano will defend one of his old babies. That's just how it is, I guess.
>>14442286
Look, it's good to accessorize. When you need to take over, it's good to have your 'I run this shit' glasses.
>>14442442
>Muh original drafts
man Freya fags are just desperate
>>14442505
It's like all those people who cite the one-shot of manga.
Macross girls stopped being used goods starting Zero right?
>>14442505
>>14442547
Let's be objective then.
Freyja: First girl, main heroine, the focus of all character development and the one Hayate "needs" the "Most."
Mirage: Senseizoned literal who.
>>14440814
Thanks! Google Translate can only do so much, and I'm still not used to all its features yet.
>>14440824
No, it's completely unofficial, and lower on the totem pole than the Master File books. The thing is though that Macross is a big verse, and the variants from the book are completely plausible...well, most of them.
>>14441482
>>14441494
I actually thought it was a doujin design myself as I was doing the translation, I didn't know it was in one of the games. I recognized the Daedalus II because it's been posted before (Macross Mecha Manual has an article on it), but the "Kaga" (like "Osaka", the class name is in quotes in the book itself because it's unofficial - the others aren't in quotes because they're not) I didn't recognize at all.
>>14441613
>tfw you're a better Delta cosplayer than anyone in that picture but you live on the East Coast and had a work emergency
Fuck everything.
>>14441998
>No time for Q&A cause the panel was only an hour long and not many details about the new project.
That's a bummer
>>14439685
>http://www.mahq.net/mecha/macross/ride/vf-0-zeak.htm
Isn't Nothung/EF pinnacle of Excalibur development anyway?
>>14442806
The pinnacle is probably the EF or the ADVANCE.
But considering that the ADVANCE was pretty much made by Neuman to give Isamu a proper VF-19 under the guise of extending the VF-19's service life, I got my doubts on whether its the best.
Doesn't the Macross 7 fleet use an unknown design which was based on the VF-19 for their grunts later? Could that be the pinnacle of the 19?
>>14439685
Ugh. Vf-0 in Ride came with Messiah engines.
>>14441194
Isn't it more like, what was it's name, amphibious assault ship?
>>14442823
The Ride and Frontier's cameo are chronologically last appearance of VF-19 in cannon, so whatever really. And most of late models are specialized anyway, so saying that any one of them is THE definite version is also impossible by definition.
Nothung is especially build for superior maneuverability and it is described as VERY hard to fly, EF/A, Isamu's custom is probably just as finicky, while both planes are pretty much one off builds.
>>14442589
>Minmay: First girl, main heroine, the focus of all character development and the one Hikaru "needs" the "Most."
>Misa: Senseizoned literal who.
You do realize what franchise you're talking about, right?
>That lead in into the OP
>Actually putting Neo Stream's intro in the show
Blunder of the century?
>MACROSS ELYSION
>GATTAI>Elysion docks with its crotch
>>14442905
further suggesting it wasn't made for docking with a city block normally.
>>14442930
I'm pretty sure they flat-out said it couldn't at the beginning of this episode
>>14442930
Its lewd though.
>Mercats having sex amidst the shitstorm that is happening in the city
>Mirage and Hayate stripping
>Elysion docks its crotch into the Island
>>14442940
>Freyja listening to Mirage and Hayate struggle with each other
[Ohys-Raws] Macross Delta - 14 (MX 1280x720 x264 AAC).mp4.torrent
New ending: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lo4mLVeEz0g
>>14443086
Also, this week's OP is definitely a placeholder, it's basically a recap of last episode to the tune of the regular OP. My guess is, new OP entirely next week.
>>14443114
>>14443119
L-lewd.
>>14443139
Don't come close to the Elysion sticking its crotch into Barette City to power it.
