Should I watch Macross or Robotech?
>>14156022
It doesn't matter, because we at robotechx.com will still be laughing.
>>14156022
Production order.
>>14156022
Watch Macross 7 instead, infinitely better than both in every way.
>>14156053
Haha.
>>14156022
just watch top gun and turn on a pop station at the same time
>>14156066
This ^
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>>14156120
I'm serious though, are there any pros to robotech?
>>14156188
Watching bits of Mospeda
>>14156188
There's a live action movie coming out?
You could always watch both especially since Robotech is more than just macross.
>>14156022
>>14156188
Robotech has a dub. The 2nd half of the series is a completely different show.
>>14156235
>>There's a live action movie coming out?
It will hit theaters around the same time as the Evangellion and Cowboy Bebop movies.
>>14156022
Watch both.
Watch Robotech: Macross Saga and then Robotech Next Gen or whatever. But watch NOTHING beyond that.
Then watch Macross and the stuff after that.
>>14156188
Macross is 100% bad, Southern Cross is 100% bad, and Mospeada is 0% bad. By extension, Robotech is only 70% bad, which makes it better than Macross or Southern Cross.
Really you should just watch Mospeada and skip the other two. But since your actual question was if you should watch Macross or Robotech, the answer is no. You should not.
>>14156242
Macross also has a dub
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=ax8p_0PpjIs
>>14156254
Mospeada is the worst mecha show I have seen.
>>14156188
Speaking as someone who grew up with Robotech, and having a massive amount of nostalgia for it that borders on delusional, there honestly isn't much reason to watch Robotech over Macross. The story in Robotech isn't that different, its mostly name changes and a various background material is changed. But Macross sequels on average are better than Southern Cross and Mospeada, and the Shadow Chronicles was a huge disappointment, so much so that I wish it was never made. The voice work for Robotech is also better than the Macross dub, for what its worth.
>>14156235
>There's a live action movie coming out?
Kek
>>14156262
All this said, if you could somehow go back in time to the late 80s, do that. It was definitely worth back in the day.
>>14156260
So you haven't seen Macross yet. Lucky you.
I've heard only good things about the robotech spinoff novels.
>>14156255
Minmei sounds and looks retarded. Guess it fits the character.
I actually like the background music better in Robotech more than macross. Also I just have a huge nostalgia boner for it.
>>14156316
Then it's just nostalgia because the music in Robotech is fucking disgusting
>>14156364
Minmei's songs are certainly bad in Robotech, but the BGM for Robotech was solid.
>>14156188
No. Worse music (no I'm not talking about Minmay, she's shit no matter what), worse script. Woefully lazy generic 80's Ameritoon opening.
All the original sources are better. Even Southern Cross, I don't know what so many have against that show, Southern Cross is a better Macross wannabe than any real Macross sequel.
>>14156520
Compared to Macross?
fuck no
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mbdZNHG-iSE
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NH6ZiySBy_w
>>14156022
>should I watch the original show versus some clusterfuck of what some jew from the 80's thought was anime
"no"
>>14156533
"All the original sources are better"
Okay this is COMPLETE FUCKING BULLSHIT. MOSPEADA is TERRIBLE. GARBAGE. The music is bad the script is bad. THe show is literal shit compared to its Robotech dub portion. Have you actually SEEN MOSPEADA or are you regurgitating shit you heard on the internet? Cause MOSPEADA SUCKS ASS. DO NOT believe the hype, the Robotech version of the third series IS better. As to Southern Cross, its about the same in Robotech/Original Flavor. The only difference is the music and the Robotech version removes some of the more gruesome deaths, and all scenes showing the planet they are on has two moons. As to Macross, both are good. There is a relatively new Macross dub that came out from ADV, but it is probably hard to find now. Mari Ijima (Lynn Minmei) also played Minmei in the ADV dub. Fun Tip: she currently lives in Houston, Texas.
But I reiterate: MOSPEADA IS SHIT.
>>14156022
Macross.
>>14157397
How does it feel to have shit taste?
>>14157397
>ADV dub
That was fucking horrible. Mari's Engrish was awful. The Robotech dub was better.
>>14156823
You do realise it would have never been shown if they didn't do that, right? Besides, it's not even bad, it's only you Macross fags who shit on it because it's connected to precious Macross.
>>14156364
Enjoy your Scooby Doo soundtrack.
>>14156533
Kyuu kyuu, kyuu kyuu, my boyfriend is a pirato.
>>14157529
>replacing beautiful and iconic dogfight with trashy new ost
Unforgivable.
>>14157529
>Enjoy your Scooby Doo soundtrack.
I will enjoy Dogfight very much thanks
>Kyuu kyuu, kyuu kyuu, my boyfriend is a pirato.
Is this supposed to be some kind of negative?
>Found Robotech:The Masters
>Thought it was Macross.
>>14156188
No there's not. You get a childish script, worse music and songs, and the worst narrator possible. Robotech is only relevent for purposes of nostalgia, just watch Macross like any sane person.
>>14156022
How is this still a question in this day and age?
>>14156255
>sent pie
Dub Macross is by ADV. So enjoy Vic Mignogna voicing a major male character!!!
1) Robotech Has Better Theme Music
Robotech and Macross may be different shows in the details, but they’re both flashy, grand-scope space operas at heart, full of lasers and transforming jets and exploding warships. All of that requires the right kind of opening song, and that’s exactly what Robotech has.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WHfNniqT7bo
Composer Ulpio Minucci may have taken a note or two from John Williams’ Superman movie theme, but Minucci put together a stirring anthem that perfectly fits outer-space warfare. It also helped that Robotech got to choose from the introductory animation of three different anime shows, opening with the broken film reel of Southern Cross and slipping in the motorcycle mecha of Genesis Climber Mospeada.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l1TfkO0Nbbk
By comparison, the original Macross theme is boring. It attempts some mournful, romantically bleak air, but that doesn’t really suit images of jet-robots shredding entire city blocks with gunfire. In fact, the whole song becomes unplanned comedy when vocalist Makoto Fujiwara tries to give the word MAH-KU-ROSS some dramatic impact. But don’t try telling anime songwriters (or anime fans) that made-up words can sound silly.
2) Robotech Didn’t Result in Clash of the Bionoids
Some fans maintain that Macross sequels could’ve been worse if Robotech had mangled them for American audiences, even though Macross has received far more painful treatment in English-speaking countries. In fact, the crowning achievement in disgracing Macross came in Macross: Clash of the Bionoids. A censored version of the original Macross movie, it was apparently dubbed by about five or six people in Hong Kong, and it showed up at Blockbuster Videos throughout the 1990s.
If you ever think Robotech is the worst thing that happened to Macross, just crank up the volume and watch whiny-voiced Hikaru and drunk, half-Australian Roy Focker in action.
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3) Robotech Inspired Fewer Awful Sequels
Here’s where anime fans point out that Macross has some excellent sequels and remakes, though only two of them are genuinely great: the OVA (and movie) Macross Plus and the original Macross: Do You Remember Love? film. The other Macross follow-ups range from god-awful failure (Macross II) to cheaply animated boredom (most of Macross 7). The most recent sequels, Macross Zero and Macross Frontier, are indulgent, CG-heavy puffballs that are good only when jet-robots are blowing shit up or principal characters are dying valiantly to Yoko Kanno music. Frontier also has this thing, which throws us over to Robotech‘s side like nothing else.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wieStI7kN-I
Robotech‘s sequels are horrid, yet there’s only one major example around to plague fans today. We can’t count Robotech: The Movie (actually an edited version of the unrelated OVA Megazone 23), as it was buried in someone’s backyard after a disastrous test screening. Robotech II: The Sentinels is also obscure enough that you’re not going to see it unless you look around YouTube or plumb the extras of a Robotech DVD set. Robotech: The Shadow Chronicles, a Robotech sequel film from 2006, is a plastic-looking, half-finished mess craftily aimed at fans seeking closure (which the movie never provides). Still, it’s just one high-profile piece of crap compared to the pile of lousy Macross follow-ups.
>>14158652
Fuck off with your copypasta Robotechx.com bullshit.
>>14158661
4) Robotech Inspired Fewer Awful Videogames
If anime series are judged on how often they make fans buy terrible video games, Macross is a war criminal. Since the days of the Famicom, Macross games have been largely dull shooters that players are expected to enjoy just because they can change a Valkyrie fighter into a robot, a jet, or a jet with arms and legs. Few Macross games stand out as above average, including the Super Famicom’s cult-favorite Macross Scrambled Valkyrie, and most of them are horrible traps just waiting for gullible fans of either Macross or Robotech. And those fans have fallen in many times. Just ask anyone who imported the bland Macross: Do You Remember Love? game for the Saturn or PlayStation, and don’t even mention the borderline-unplayable Playstation nightmare of Macross Digitial Mission VFX. Macross games even managed to turn Macross Plus, the high-water mark of the entire mecha-cartoon genre, into a boring arcade shooter, and there’s no excuse for that.
While Robotech inspired fewer games, they’re not half-bad. Robotech: The Macross Saga is an easily dismissed Game Boy Advance cash-in, but both Robotech: Battlecry and Robotech: Invasion are enjoyable 3-D space shooters on the PlayStation 2 and Xbox (and, in Battlecry‘s case, the GameCube). It’s only recently that Macross games managed to produce decent shooters along the same lines.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o4NBE1gyD48
Moreover, what could’ve been the worst Robotech game was never inflicted on the public. Robotech: Crystal Dreams, a 3-D shooter that became one of the first major titles announced for the Nintendo 64, was canceled after its publisher went under. It probably wouldn’t have lived up to anyone’s expectations, much like the majority of third-party Nintendo 64 titles, but at least it didn’t leave any Macross or Robotech fans $70 poorer.
>>14158665
5) Robotech Has More Empowered Women
This is another result of Robotech having three anime series to adapt, but the point still stands. As the first chunk of Robotech, Macross was sexist in restricting most of its female characters to non-combat roles. The second part of Robotech, adapted from Super Dimension Cavalry Southern Cross, breaks with that idea, as many of its major characters are take-charge women. The show focuses on the anti-authority Dana Sterling, and her rival, Marie Crystal, is quite competent in piloting a robot.
Granted, Dana is also self-centered, lazy, and not above risking the lives of those under her command just so she can afford expensive dresses. But at least she’s out in battle instead of being confined on a starship’s bridge, the space-opera equivalent of getting stuck in the kitchen. Meanwhile, the original Macross lets Miriya, its most skilled fighter-piloting woman, be humiliated by a man and allowed back into combat only after she’s appropriately pacified through marriage and motherhood.
6) Robotech Has Less Ridiculous Names
Some of Robotech‘s name changes were standard Americanized stuff, and it doesn’t really matter if the hero is named Hikaru Ichijyo or Rick Hunter, or if his apparently middle-aged girlfriend is Misa Hayase or Lisa Hayes. However, other Macross names were changed for the better. Max Jenius in Macross (Get it? GET IT?) became Max Sterling in Robotech, with Mirya’s subsequent marriage to him giving her a less horrible name in Robotech.
While Roy Fokker’s name is pretty much pronounced the same in both Robotech and Macross (since it’s a reference to the airplane manufacturer), far too many official Macross products spell it “Roy Focker.” As much as we would’ve liked to see Harmony Gold slip that one past parents of the 1980s and sell kids all sorts of official Roy Focker merchandise, we still defer to Robotech‘s spelling, as do many Macross fans who aren’t completely insane.
>>14158667
7) Robotech Is Longer
Some fans will accuse us of cheating here. “Well, of COURSE Robotech was longer,” they’ll object. “Robotech was three different, unrelated anime series, and Macross was only one!” And then they’ll type another four paragraphs that we won’t bother reading because they’re boring and mention Star Blazers too much.
Yes, Robotech is only longer because American TV required cartoons to have 65 episodes in order to air in syndication, and Harmony Gold had to string three smaller shows together. But continuity doesn’t really matter when you’re a kid. You just want to watch cartoons, and 65 episodes of bizarrely joined Robotech are more satisfying than a mere 36 episodes of Macross, especially when you consider Macross‘ production problems and the strange, tacked-on epilogue that resulted from them. In Robotech, you could look forward to dozens of other episodes after Macross, and some of them had transforming robot bikes.
>>14158670
8) Robotech Makes Max and Miriya’s Romance Less Insulting
To be fair, neither Robotech nor Macross looks good when it comes to the trans-species romance between ace human pilot Max Sterling (a.k.a Max Jenius) and hotshot alien pilot Mirya Parina (a.k.a. Millia Fallyna). Outraged at her inability to kill Max in space-robot battles between the giant Zentraedi and the ragtag human forces, Mirya gets herself shrunk down to human size and stalks her chosen rival through a transforming city-spaceship. She initially seeks to beat Max at an arcade game, and when that fails, she tries to stab him in a park. Max narrowly evades death and does what any man should do when faced with an alien woman out to kill him.
Reduced to a sobbing, easily married wreck, former hardened combat pilot Mirya is soon wearing pink dresses and popping out Max’s kids. Their courtship was less demeaning in the Macross: Do You Remember Love? movie, which saw Max turned into a Zentraedi-scale giant so he and Mirya could tear shit up during the film’s climactic space battle.
We still find their original relationship more plausible in Robotech than in Macross, though. Why? Because Max is voiced by Cam Clarke, the distinctively talented voice actor behind Leonardo of the Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles, Liquid Snake in the Metal Gear Solid series, and about a billion other roles in cartoons and video games. We doubt there’s a man or woman alive who wouldn’t betray his or her deepest cultural values and military loyalties if Cam Clarke asked it.
The best is yet to come.
LOOOOOOOOOOOOL.
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>>14158652
We've done it friends. We've succesfully commited the entirety of the principle of autism to a single <10 point Listicle!
Post mercats.
>>14157529
>You do realise it would have never been shown if they didn't do that, right?
hahahahaha
good thing its 2016 and you don't have to rely on some fucking greasy heeb to get your anime fix anymore.
>>14156814
Both of those are actually pretty good.
Dogfighter is more memorable though.
>>14156814
The Robotech song sounds like something from one of the countless Italian ripoffs of The Road Warrior. Cheap guy with a Minimoog and a guitar. Meanwhile Macross had a fully arranged orchestral soundtrack, and pop songs that might not be great but won't scar your ears.
>>14156235
>There's a live action movie coming out
That's implying that shit'll ever get off the ground.
It's got everything against it.
>>14158672
>he wouldn't betray his deepest cultural values and military loyalties if Sho Hayami asked it
>>14158980
Man the Ghost in the Shell remake is finally coming out after over 20 years, and it has like, real actors in it, and isn't gonna be directly to Netflix, anything can happen at this point.
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>>14158661
I know the webpage you copypasted this from and it was a flawed bullshit argument there as it is here.
>2) Robotech Didn’t Result in Clash of the Bionoids
Only reason we had Clash of the shitnoids was because the distrubutors wanted to put it out for a quick buck but couldnt because Robotech's rights to Macross. So they hap-hazardly throw a whole new story to gether.
>3) Robotech Inspired Fewer Awful Sequels
ahahahahahaHAHAHAHAHAHAAAAA
>>14158983
GiTS also is far more well known to the West, doesn't have the legal fuckfuck games attached to its name, and isn't being backed by a real estate company that hasn't put out anything related to the franchise in literal decades.
>>14158983
Yeah, but GitS doesnt have the legal fuckery barring it at every turn.
Also, I'm really hoping some guy who likes Macross will swoop in and buy robotech rights and make a Macross movie or tv show in association with the japs.
It's a dream dammit, but crazier shit has happened.
>>14158983
On the other hand Ghost in the Shell is an on-going franchise that's had several entries in the last few years and has a living fanbase. Robotech hasn't had squat since the 80s and it's fanbase is dead. It's a dwindling number of really hardcore individuals, but it's not getting any kind of new blood because it has no new content.
>>14159004
Robotech Idiots try to hide behind the fact that out of all the 12 or planned "original" sequels their shitty hackjob adaptation spawned, only 1 of them was actually finished and released.
Also enjoy watching people squirm over the hacked up Megazone 23 footage.
>>14159006
I'm pretty sure Manga Entertainment still exists though, with their rotten stake in the movie which I'm sure is part of the deal.
Yeah I dunno, Robotech is no doubt a worse situation but I frankly wouldn't be surprised if it happens in case GITS doesn't bomb.
>>14159016
At best (or worst) it might end up that there'll be American produced but Korean animated "reboots" like they've been doing to GoLion/Voltron now for decades. I'm sure that's what they planned with The Sentinels and Shadow Chronicles but both of those failed in addition to sucking hard.
>>14159017
whereas Macross is still going strong with new showes coming out and a relatively sizable fanbase. Not Gundam or Moe-blob size, but notable none-the-less.
Which is even more reason for someone else to buy Robotech rights and get on that fucking Macross show/movie.
>mfw I want to make movies for a living.
>mfw I would totaly be up to the challenge.
>mfw if I even get into the industry, I'd probably have no hope.
still a dream; still a dream...
>>14159029
>i wanna make movies for a living and adapt my favorite chinese cartoon!
Anon, dont embarrass yourself.
>>14156022
No, you shouldn't.
Watch Mobile Suit Gundam instead. Better, more original story, sequels that are actually good, tons more mecha, and vastly superior music.
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>we all laughing.jif
>>14159051
At least he can dream.
>>14156022
Watch Macross and Mospeada, only
>>14157529
Kawamoris designs were stolen a lot as it is . he was really disappointed that no one called him up to do localization of Macross after seeing someone did robotech . also robotech is a mix of different anime's so yeah its kinda wasted.
>>14158667
>Max Jenius in Macross (Get it? GET IT?)
no
>>14159971
Basically, the faggotron who wrote the article doesn't like the admittedly lackluster pun.
Sure, it's dumb and is a stain on an otherwise awesome character, but that's just nitpicking you twit.
>>14160120
I still don't get it
>>14160164
kakizaki says at one point
>He's a genius! A real genius!
in reference to max's ace piloting skills
Jenius... genius...
jenius is genius.
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>>14159373
Everybody! Quick!
Tell us about your ideal Macross remake/reboot/whatever!
>>14160618
I want the staff/studio that make Yamato 2199 to do the same thing for SDF Macross. That's it.
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>>14158672
This is all correct.
