I want to challenge myself, increasing the value of myself by bettering myself. I'm thinking of reading philosophy. But i'm not a christian. What are some good philosophy books that aren't christian based ?
>>8235661
Guise help me
>>8235661
Guys..
>>8235661
Thomas Ligotti - The Conspiracy Against the Human Race
Doesn't sound like you actually want to challenge yourself, mate. Are you not going to read Plato because you don't believe in forms?
>>8235661
Nietzsche
Sartre
Camus
Spinoza (he is actually a christian but not really)
Obviously all greeks
>>8235661
You seem like an edgy faggot so you will probably enjoy Ayn Rand
>>8235713
I thought Spinoza was Jewish
>>8235661
most modern and/or leftist philosophies actively reject religion, or only bring it up to criticize it.
aside from a few American nutheads - religion, and especially christianity has lost every bit of relevance it once had.
>>8235716
This.
The obvious answer, OP, is the Greeks. But not being a Christian shouldn't stop you reading even heavily Christian philosophy if it's important.
>>8235720
Spinoza was born jewish but argued with the rabbis so much that he got kicked out of the jewish communities that fleed the inquisition.
Read the appendix to book one of Ethics if you want to claim him as a Christian.
>>8235720
ethnically, but he wasn't really a jew or a christian theologically
Marx
Bhabha
Gilroy
Foucault
Deleuze
Stryker
Morrison
Butler
Lorde
etc...
>>8235661
>Atheist Manifesto
>over 9000 pages of STOP BELIEVING WHAT I DONT BELIEVE REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
>>8235661
Pre and post Christian philosophers. Epicurus being the best of the pre, People already mention, Nietzsche, Marx, Stirner etc. for post.
>>8236147
>You antichrists give me hemorrhoids
'Kay
>>8235661
>I want to challenge myself
>but not any of my beliefs plz
>increasing the value of myself
>current year
>believing in value
>bettering myself
>ew christianity xD
op gb2highschool
>>8235661
Start with the Greeks, you won't understand Nietzsche or Schopenhauer without them anyways.
>>8237286
>Recommending both Marx and Stirner.
>Implying Marx did not completely fucking eviscerate Stirner in the last third of the German Ideology.
>Complete Works of Plato
>Aristotle's Ethics
>Marcus Aurelius's Meditations for cozy philosophy
At this point you can say fuck the rest because most post Platonic-Aristotilean philosophers are responding to the above in some form or fashion
>Kant's Critique of Pure Reason
>Hegel's Phenomenology of the Spirit
>Nietzsche's Gay Science and slim trimmings of Beyond Good and Evil for fun and a break from Hegel's shitty prose
At this point, again, you can say fuck most Modern thinkers because they are responding to the above in some fashion
>Maybe Heideggar's Being and Time for muh 20th Century philo feels
>Maybe Sartre's Being and Nothingness for muh Existentialism
>Maybe Quine's Word and Object for Analytic stuff
Read Russell's History of Western Philosophy to fill in the gaps and learn why only the above texts really matter for understanding the greater movements in philosopy
Oh and do expand on the above, desu you can just eschew Nietzsche and read Stirner if you want the real feels
>>8237492
They're both anti-spiritualists.
>Eviscerate
Hehehehe.
>>8235661
>Pre-Socratics
>Complete Works of Plato
>Complete Works of Aristotle
>The Epicurea (Collected Fragments of the Philosopher Epicurus)
>Cicero - On the Republic
>Seneca the Younger - Letters from a Stoic
(Fun Fact: Bruno Bauer proved in the 19th century, that large parts of the New testament are quoted from Seneca's works directly, thus proving that Christianity has its origins in Greco-Roman philosophy, and not the other way around.)
>Marcus Aurelius - Meditations
>The Essential Plotinus (Again, collected Fragments)
After this, St. Augustine fused Neo-Platonist, and Nazarene thought, and created Christianity as we know it. Christian theology, and Western Philosophy were effectively synonyms from then until Descartes.
>Descartes - The Meditations (Christian as fuck, but infuential enough on Atheistic philosophy that you can't really afford to ignore it).
>Hume - Everything here, basically: http://www.davidhume.org/
>Kant - Critique of Pure Reason
>Hegel - The Science of Logic, The Philosophy of Right, and The Phenomenology of Spirit
In 1835, Hegel's followers broke into two distinct groups, the Pro-Religion "old" Hegelians, and the anti-religion "young" Hegelians. The Young Hegelians are arguably the most influential secular-philosophical school of the 19th century, so even if you have no interest in religion, you still need to read Hegel, despite how Christian he, and some of his works were.
>Stirner- The Ego, and its Own.
Young Hegellian affiliate.
>Marx - A contribution to the Critique of Hegel's Philosophy of Right, A Critique of Critical Criticism, On the Jewish Question, and the German Ideology.
Originally a Young Hegellian, but ultimately grew dissatisfied with the movement, and went off to create his own thing. The Critique of Critical Criticism, and the German Ideology are basically just bitching about how stupid the other young Hegellians are.
>Nietzsche - Also Sprache Zarathustra, The Gay Science, Beyond Good, and Evil, The Antichrist.
Nietzsche was anti-Hegel, to be fair. He drew heavily from both Goethe, and Dostoyevsky, but the former is largely forgotten, and a vehement anti-Christian probably wouldn't like the latter.
>Heidegger - Being, and Time.
The Creator of Existentialism. Heavily drew on both Nietzsche, and Kierkegaard. Kierkegaard was Christian as fuck, though, and unlike Descartes, or Hegel, you can probably afford to skip him.
>Sartre - Being, and Nothingness
Created a fusion of Heideggerian, and Marxist thought. That's really all I have to say about that.
>De Beauvoir - The Second Sex
Like Sartre, but smarter, and feminist.
>Camus - The Outsider, The Myth of Sisyphus, The Rebel
>Bertrand Russell - Principia Mathematica, Why I am not a Christian, What I believe,
>Wittgenstein - Tractatus Logico-Philosophicus, Philosophical Investigations.
>>8237643
>Complete Works of Aristotle
Yeah all the outdated (i.e wrong) physics and biology is totally essential.
>>8237651
Alright, the Nichomachean Ethics, On Rhetoric, and On Politics then?
>>8237658
I'm not.
>>8237606
victoria was the cutie-est but the movie was absolute dogshit and not even very impressive
>>8235690
THIS
>>8237502
you're so dumb it hurts
>>8237655
>no Metaphysics
>no Logic
die
>>8237705
Fuck you.
>>8235712
Wtf are you stupid
Christinity is abstractly the exact same claim as The Forms. Both are fucking inferior dogma you god damn pleb
>>8235801
Stop baiting asshole.
>>8237734
Not him, but he's right. Wow.
>>8235767
your priest is calling you, alter boy. shoo shoo
>>8237660
Why recommend PM?
There's no such thing.
>>8237743
>they're bad because im too stupid to comprehend them
>>8237475
where would 'Meditations' fit into this chart?
>>8238326
are you talking about the meditations of marcus aurelius? he wasn't a greek
>>8238326
why are you here?
>>8238190
Read the preface to BGE by Neetcheese. Shits a waste of fucking time. Objectivity is abstract bullshit meant to distract you from the fact that you're wasting you're time not doing anything worthwhile.
>says anon on image board
>>8237655
Nichomachean Ethics is an excellent discourse on value and the purpose of life. I'd also recommend many of Emerson's letters and essays, as though they are deist, many are quite secular.
>>8235661
>Manifesto for not believing in something
Shall I shelve it next to my don't-cookbooks and Abstinence Kama Sutra?
>>8237743
Fuck off, the point of the post is asking if he won't read Plato because of the same reason he won't read Christian philosophy.
>>8235713
Nietzsche is not particularly atheist tho I can see how some of his shit would fit.
>>8238529
>don't-cookbooks and Abstinence Kama Sutra
So Roald-Dahl and... what would be an abstinence Kama Sutra? Note that the Kama Sutra isn't a sex manual as much as a dating manual.
>>8235661
Start with Augustine's Confessions
>>8239338
Oh wait, I know. Roald-Dahl and Twilight.
>>8238473
This guy gets it
>>8235661
>I want to challenge myself
>I want to read what's already in accordance with my belief system
Intricate bait right here.
Also: philosophy books aren't "christian based", Christianity is mostly "philosophy books based"
If you're an atheists either learn the basic principles of theology or just admit you're an agnostic pussy and do not wish to take an effort to handle the whole god thing.
>>8237468
lol slaughterdick
>>8241214
>implying Paradise Lost doesn't belong under protestantism
50 shades of gray
>>8241214
>faust
>protestantism
nigga what
b8
>>8235661
read the Book of Mormon
also lol shit thread REVIVED
