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What are the famous whores/sluts/homewreckers of literature?
>extra points for whores who make the protag's life miserable with their deception
>>8200129
lux Lisbon
Do underage whores count?
If so, Tanizaki's Naomi
>>8200148
>>8200129
Zola's Nana is pretty much described as the wrecker of all of society.
>>8200129
Margot Peters in Laughter in the Dark by Nabokov.
>>8200129
Madame Bovary
That book upset me more than it should have.
>>8200259
Rimbaud fucked up Flaubert's marriage too :3
>>8200259
Thanks senpai I started reading it but was unsure as to wether to continue
Not a whore, but Edith made Stoner's life pretty miserable.
I think Mishima wrote something where the main character (who is then a child) walks in on his mother having sex with another man in front of his dying/bed-bound father.
Not sure if I'm remembering wrongly, however.
>>8200281
>Japanese author
>unreasonably fucked up sexual cruelty
Sounds about right.
>>8200266
I couldn't. But I might pick it up again. I hear the ending brings relief.
>>8200296
Does she die of AIDs, or get throttled by her husband, or something?
>>8200129
Madame Bovary is my first thought
She is obsessed by romantism and marry a complete wimp and boring guy
She procede to cheat on him two times, tries to play the good and holy wife at some point ,and then killherself
Good book
>>8200265
Rimbault was a love with Verlaine not Flaubert
>>8200259
Oh boy I like and hate this book at the same time
It's written flawlessely, but Emma and almost every character in it are fucking cunt it's impressive
>>8200311
She poisoned herself with arsenics after she is crawling in debt and her former lover Rodolphe and Leon are rejecting her
Daisy Buchanan.
Nastasya Filipovna
>>8200129
Kingkiller Chronicles
Lolita
>>8200129
Grushenka
The Unnamed woman from The Real Life of Sebastian Knight
Olga-The Castle
>>8200356
>Lolita
you fell for the trap.
>>8200281
she miring HARD
>>8200361
Not a trap
Also read it years ago.
Hussie a home wrecker. Took her mother's man away.
>>8200368
yep, blame the 12 year old girl for ending up with a middle aged sociopathic murderer.
>>8200362
He just told her about his mom dying or something.
She does that when she is uncomfortable.
Cathy Ames from East of Eden. She's a whore who makes every protagonist's life miserable by her deception.
OP here I am monitoring this thread
Madeleine from Herzog. Pretty much cucks the guy with a family friend, who starts taking care of Herzog's daughter too.
>>8200129
The Empress of the goths (Theodora? Whatever the fuck her name was) from Titus Andronicus.
WHORE WHORE WHORE
L O L I T A
O
L
I
T
A
Humbert Humbert did nothing wrong.
>>8200460
They don't deserve to habe someone to cheat on them.
>>8200505
I just finished Lolita last night.
I felt that way for a good portion of the book. It was just a slightly uneasy feeling about how he treated her. Until later in it I was still sympathizing with H.H. and mad at Dolly. It ended up with me feeling happy, and sad for her, but angry and disgusted with Humbert.
All around it was a good but emotionally exhausting book.
>>8200347
From The Idiot? (Sorry, I don't really know if that's the name in English).
>>8200602
Truth be told, H did do a few things wrong. But not 'til way late in the book.
Rita, man. H was retarded enough toforsake a legal loli for a cunt that constantly cucked him. And then, of course, his thing with Quilty. Bitches ain't nothing but hoes and tricks, so for one to make him do that... retarded.
But up to the point whereLo left, H dindu nuffin.
>>8200623
Memeing or is this bad at reading comprehension...I can't tell anymore...
I swear to dog so many of you are still saying Oh nothing happened even when rapists, rl or fiction, straight up admit it.
Nora the doll
>>8200623
But really though H was a selfish asswhole in his treatment of her. How could he not really see the way all her hope had died during their travels? I do believe she could have been happy with him if he was more understanding of her feelings. Instead of casting her off everytime he got his fix he could have actually sshowb some self control. Do some things for her without demanding his reward.
>>8200602
everything you just described is basically Nabokov's goal.
but it's important to step back from the way nabokov presents the situation and understand it objectively, which is that a middle aged murderer preys on a pubescent girl.
you're supposed to "sympathize" with HH because Nabokov is tricking you into doing so, but not because he's actually sympathetic, which he is not at all.
>>8200596
this
Most men have crazy amounts of sex while assaulting women as whores in early lit (Odysseus comes to mind)
Manon Lescaut is the best answer to this question tho
>>8200668
That's because sexual norms were different when that literature was created. You can still appreciate the literature without agreeing with what it presents.
>>8200638
>>8200644
>Upon hearing her first morning yawn, I feigned handsome profiled sleep. I just did not know what to do. Would she be shocked at finding me by her side, and not in some spare bed? Would she collect her clothes and lock herself up in the bathroom? Would she demand to be taken at once to Ramsdale—to her mother’s bedside—back to camp? But my Lo was a sportive lassie. I felt her eyes on me, and when she uttered at last that beloved chortling note of hers, I knew her eyes had been laughing. She rolled over to my side, and her warm brown hair came against my collarbone. I gave a mediocre imitation of waking up. We lay quietly. I gently caressed her hair, and we gently kissed. Her kiss, to my delirious embarrassment, had some rather comical refinements of flutter and probe which made me conclude she had been coached at an early age by a little Lesbian. No Charlie boy could have taught her that. As if to see whether I had my fill and learned the lesson, she drew away and surveyed me. Her cheekbones were flushed, her full underlip glistened, my dissolution was near. All at once, with a burst of rough glee (the sign of the nymphet!), she put her mouth to my ear—but for quite a while my mind could not separate into words the hot thunder of her whisper, and she laughed, and brushed the hair off her face, and tried again, and gradually the odd sense of living in a brand new, mad new dream world, where everything was permissible, came over me as I realized what she was suggesting. I answered I did not know what game she and Charlie had played. “You mean you have never—?”—her features twisted into a stare of disgusted incredulity. “You have never—” she started again. I took time out by nuzzling her a little.
Can't
rape
the
willing.
>>8200677
Yeah thanks teach, i knew that
This is clearly an OP who had women in mind though, totally acting like dudes in lit havent been the whores for centuries
>>8200664
Yeah, I perfectly understood that HH was supposed to be bad. It was clear that he was really the monster of the story but Nabokov wrote it so perfectly that I did feel a connection to him and I did get angry at Lolita for the things she did to him.
All this made it so much worse the more that was revealed about Humbert. I became angry and sick at myself for sympathizing with him in the way he treated her.
>>8200678
>>>>>trusting the unreliable pedophile narrator
>>>statutory rape
I thought this board was supposed to be smart
>>8200649
They're both terrible people, and he would have most likely really raped her eventually, but point is, he didn't. It's not just that she asked for it. She pushed him into it.
And after having dealt with Valeria... you'd treat Lo with the same kind of zeal.
>>8200696
>Muh law
I didn't realize there were people who thought the law informed morality, and not vice versa.
They're in for a treat when the reality of a world in which God is dead, really hits home.
>>8200678
You can if they no longer are willing. I forgot the page but there was a part in their second trip where he gets angry and forces her inside and describes ripping off her clothes aggressively before he fucks her and she gave no resistance.
>>8200709
God is a construct of humanity
The world has no inherent meaning
you aren't special for figuring this out
But you
Are
stupid
>>8200692
Now I wish to introduce the following idea. Between the age limits of nine and fourteen there occur maidens who, to certain bewitched travelers, twice or many times older than they, reveal their true nature which is not human, but nymphic (that is, demoniac); and these chosen creatures I propose to designate as “nymphets.”
It will be marked that I substitute time terms for spatial ones. In fact, I would have the reader see “nine” and “fourteen” as the boundaries—the mirrory beaches and rosy rocks—of an enchanted island haunted by those nymphets of mine and surrounded by a vast, misty sea. Between those age limits, are all girl-children nymphets? Of course not. Otherwise, we who are in the know, we lone voyagers, we nympholepts, would have long gone insane. Neither are good looks any criterion; and vulgarity, or at least what a given community terms so, does not necessarily impair certain mysterious characteristics, the fey grace, the elusive, shifty, soul-shattering, insidious charm that separates the nymphet from such coevals of hers as are incomparably more dependent on the spatial world of synchronous phenomena than on that intangible island of entranced time where Lolita plays with her likes. Within the same age limits the number of true nymphets is strikingly inferior to that of provisionally plain, or just nice, or “cute,” or even “sweet” and “attractive,” ordinary, plumpish, formless, cold-skinned, essentially human little girls, with tummies and pigtails, who may or may not turn into adults of great beauty (look at the ugly dumplings in black stockings and white hats that are metamorphosed into stunning stars of the screen). A normal man given a group photograph of school girls or Girl Scouts and asked to point out the comeliest one will not necessarily choose the nymphet among them.
(1/2)
>>8200692
>>8200717
You have to be an artist and a madman, a creature of infinite melancholy, with a bubble of hot poison in your loins and a super-voluptuous flame permanently aglow in your subtle spine (oh, how you have to cringe and hide!), in order to discern at once, by ineffable signs—the slightly feline outline of a cheekbone, the slenderness of a downy limb, and other indices which despair and shame and tears of tenderness forbid me to tabulate—the little deadly demon among the wholesome children; she stands unrecognized by them and unconscious herself of her fantastic power.
Furthermore, since the idea of time plays such a magic part in the matter, the student should not be surprised to learn that there must be a gap of several years, never less than ten I should say, generally thirty or forty, and as many as ninety in a few known cases, between maiden and man to enable the latter to come under a nymphet’s spell. It is a question of focal adjustment, of a certain distance that the inner eye thrills to surmount, and a certain contrast that the mind perceives with a gasp of perverse delight. When I was a child and she was a child, my little Annabel was no nymphet to me; I was her equal, a faunlet in my own right, on that same enchanted island of time; but today, in September 1952, after twenty-nine years have elapsed, I think I can distinguish in her the initial fateful elf in my life. We loved each other with a premature love, marked by a fierceness that so often destroys adult lives. I was a strong lad and survived; but the poison was in the wound, and the wound remained ever open, and soon I found myself maturing amid a civilization which allows a man of twenty-five to court a girl of sixteen but not a girl of twelve.
>>8200689
Yeah, I see your point. I suppose it is because when there are whores in literature, they're usually secondary characters or villains which hold a specific purpose to the plot, whereas manwhores and generally main characters who are chronicled more clearly, and therefore are remember better for their other achievements.
>>8200713
Good, good.
Now take you're thinking to its logical conclusions.
>>8200716
I'm not justifying pedophilia; rather, I'm simply explaining why the world is increasingly treating ephebophilia with an air of indifference.
The slope is slippery, some us know better than to try and climb back up.
>>8200728
Nice rebuttal.
Sasuga arts major.
>>8200717
>>8200723
>>8200742
It's hebephilia.
And legal in maybe half of the world, including many non-assbackwards islamic countries, like Spain.
>>8200749
they've actually raised the age of consent there recently
also
>spain
>non-assbackwards
you're arguing in bad faith or you're delusional
>>8200742
>Twelve isn't ephebophilia. It is pedophilia. Stop justifying it
You're mistaking an amoralist for an immoralist. It's not my thing, however I recognize that this sort of thing is expected in a world without any sort of objective moral anchor.
>do not explore the ideas in your mind
Be my guest. You first.
The mind is its own place.
>>8200778
>you're not following your own rules, or your own advice
I never claimed to have either.
>You should be expectant of most people in the world who aren't pieces of shit to defend children from sexual abuse.
Of course, just as I am expectant that these same people will believe all sorts of things; like that their children are children until the very moment the clock goes from 11:59:59 to 00:00:01 on their 15th/17th birthdays.
My book uses what I describe as the revolving act structure- its a two volume book locked down as one
The first volume's main antagonist is the protagonist's own daughter who rapes and tries to kill him
>>8200792
Lel
That lawyer anon is not answering this post.
I myself too don't understand america. At the stroke of midnight they are ok if you sleep with their former 17 now 18 year old daughter, but if you do it 5 minutes before you can get charged for statutory rape... what they fuck.
Do Americans feel that their daughters remain virgins until their 18th b-day?
I never understood this, my country the legal age is 16 and that is fine. More space in the prisons for actual criminal offenders, not some smuck that sleeped with a 17 year old on the eve of her 18th birthday.
I also don't see lawyer anon crying when some old granny's cunny is watering for the 12 year old boy next door's pecker.. and she tries to get him to sleep with her. Fucking hypocrite.
That is why I will die a virgin.
>>8200878
>>8200920
It might sure seem that way, but you will all love it when it comes out
wont be happening in a while though, im not even finished with the content yet let alone started writing it
>>8200878
>I'm making Californication: The Book
>>8200913
>What the fuck are you talking about.
>what is double standard?
>>8200959
I wouldnt want to spoil too much, but I think people who like silent hill/ the book of the new sun will like the general mood and style of the story/ world
Although I think its much less grand "fantasy" than botns
>>8200347
I'm like a quarter of the way through and came to post this
B R E T T
R
E
T
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>>8200731
>the world is increasingly treating ephebophilia with an air of indifference
Citation needed.
>>8200749
>And legal in maybe half of the world
Very wrong.
>>8200910
Age of consent isn't specific to America and it's lower than 18 in the most of the U.S. Idiot.
>>8201184
>THIS
>>8201374
>Age of consent isn't specific to America
Are you fucking daft? Did you read my post?
Didn't I say the legal age is 16 in my country? Doesn't that imply i have age of consent?
Do you just come on lit to shitpost and don't actually read what you are shitposting to?
Just out of curiosity:
Has any author ever made a female (or male) character so hateable, that them being raped in the story felt good to even the most balanced reader?
I'm asking because even movies tend to fail at this, whenever they try.
>>8201542
doesn't girl with the dragon tattoo do this
with a male rapist
Margaret from Camera Obscura
Why are all authentic female characters in literature massive cunts?
>>8200399
Incredible character
>>8200375
>>8200427
>In 1959, novelist Robertson Davies excused the narrator entirely, writing that the theme of Lolita is "not the corruption of an innocent child by a cunning adult, but the exploitation of a weak adult by a corrupt child. This is no pretty theme, but it is one with which social workers, magistrates and psychiatrists are familiar."
>the city of (You)
>>8201563
why are all tripfags obnoxious pieces of shit who contribute nothing of substance while attentionwhoring and get immediately filtered by any sensible person?
>>8201553
True.
What about women, tho?
>>8201587
He has a point, tho.
I feel there is a big difference between an unlikable female CHARACTER and an unlikable FEMALE character.
>>8201588
lel tell me what you've written sweetheart, I would love to read it
>the point of Lolita is clear
maybe if you're a narrow-minded dunce who still believes in good and evil
>>8201591
even if a woman burned down an orphanage of blind children I couldn't see it working in literature (or in real life, rape is never justified as far as any moral person should be concerned)
>>8201553
yeah except the girl is still the most despicable character in the whole book
>>8201619
>>8201623
Nice ad hom lads.
Only summer here is (You)
>ctrl+f
>no Lady Bret Ashley
What the fuck, /lit/?
>crtl f "Caddy"
>0 results
Are you guys fucking kidding me? The entirety of The Sound and the Fury is about the downfall of that family because Caddy couldn't help but be a fucking slut
>>8201640
You have nothing to offer but half-baked moral presentiments that amount to muh right and wrong. It's not an argument and it's not relevant. Lolita was a degenerate little girl who got involved with a mentally ill man. I don't see where morality enters into it.
>>8201609
Isn't that odd?
Rape can be considered justified or even "funny" when it befalls the "right kind of man".
But a woman can be the scum of the earth and we still wouldn't want it to happen to her.
There is sexism in there somewhere. I just can't decide how.
Also this, which is related:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ikd0ZYQoDko
>>8201649
>missing the point of the book this much
>>8201677
>muh unconditioned ought
>muh contradictio in adjecto
>muh ad hom (if you don't agree with me you must be mentally ill)
Explain why it's wrong without resorting to any of the aforementioned
>>8201680
Enlighten me
The entire family would have been more or less fine had she not fucked Dalton Ames
>>8201690
way to completely dodge the question m8
If you're just here for the (You)s then carry on, but if you actually want to participate in a civilized discussion, you're going to have to apply yourself at some point
>>8201698
>civilized discussion
>/lit/
choose one
maybe make your goal to be less cringy over the summer
>>8201701
Who said I was defending it? And pedophilia is not a choice. It's the deed that makes a criminal, not the urge. I just want to hear your arguments against it, but it appears you don't have any.
>>8200164
t. A retard
It's a completely different power dynamic, you mug.
There are fat sluts, there are no fat studs. (unless they're also rich)
Women can walk into any bar and literally say ''who wants to fuck?'' and have a line out of the door...
A man cannot do the same.
A man has to ''earn'' it.
Therefore we can deduce quite simply:
Women who are called whores because the game is already tipped in their favor. If they sleep around it is likely that they're lacking morals, easy, worthless, loose. Avoid at all costs.
Men who are ''whores'' = Likely strong, funny, confident, well paid, well rounded in general and had to to ''earn'' it.
Fuck off with your Tumblr tier fucking notion of ''UGHHH GUYZ LIKE ITS A DOUBLE STANDARD GUYZZZ''
>>8201677
hurka durka its wrong because my trendy ideology said so
>>8201701
hurka durka thing i dont like is bad because people say its bad
>>8201714
Good job on begging the question. You seem to have some very strong opinions on the matter but very flimsy justifications.
>>8201717
#NOTANARGUMENT
nice deflect though, you sick tranny fuck.
KYS
>>8201717
It's generally true - not fair but true
>>8201726
we get it you read the wiki on Logical Fallacies and are soo smart and logical, now learn how to make a coherent argument and not come off as a tween dumbass
or better yet, learn when to stfu
and read an actual book
(have you even read lolita?)
>>8201720
Yes, exactly,
Stop being a condescending little early 20s whore, it isn't impressive.
>>8201742
>>8201744
I can't even tell who is baiting who anymore.
That or you are both autists in your own right.
>>8201755
You could be reading a book and drinking some tea right now.
Or booze, depending on the book.
>>8201766
You're the only cow here, fattie.
>>8201747
12 isn't pedo, moron.
>>8201736
>>8201742
Oh look! It's this argument again... Feminist gets BTFO so she resorts to ''YOU MUST BE A FAT BALDING VIRGIN WAHH''
People all over the globe are waking up.
Feminism is dying.
People can't stand the mentally ill claiming they need special rights, special toilets, claiming they're helicopters and or that they're women because they snipped their dick...
All of you mentally ill fucks and regressives are in for a hell of a ride...
You're gonna say back to /pol/ or whatever. I just want you to know that I used to be a full on liberal, leftist, ''peace and love'' hippie... The ultimate leftist.... If I have wised up to this bullshit... How many others have?
>mfw mentally ill feminists will be gone soon
>>8201741
I'm waiting for one of you sophisticated adults to give me a compelling argument against pederasty that doesn't involve muh feels/muh morals
>>8200164
When did we get feminists on this board? Did someone link some thread on breddit again?
Men cannot be whores. Women, on the other hand, are whores, sluts, harlots, and the like and even worse.
>>8201795
>>8201800
It's just this one tripfag. I already BTFO her in a thread while back until her only argument was that I needed to quit bitching about how women are degenerates and deal with it.
I can't wait till this uggo lesbian leaves.
>>8200716
#triggered
>>8201816
>daily
Lol what the fuck. Go read a book or something.
>>8201812
nice
meltdown
>>8201795
Stay mad ugly tranny. How's that mental illness treating you? Still cutting and posting pictures of it on tumblr for attention? HAAHHAHAHA
>>8201795
12 is pubescent/ post pubescent depending on the sex so it would be a hebephile
educate yourself
>>8201795
>Yes it is.
12 is hebe by definition.
>>8201807
Not at all.
>feeding tripfucks (you)s
You should be ashamed, /lit/.
As for the attention whoring tripfuck: show me where the big bad man touched you. Now stick a finger in it, and fuck off.
>>8201829
>Men can't be promiscuous
Are you a Muslim or something?
>>8201812
>>8201786
just because someone gets bored responding to you saying the same demented things doesn't mean they were 'btfo'
be less embarrassing summer boys
>>8201824
only relatively recently
girls hit puberty years later/when lolita was written
only 30 years ago Carrie was 16/17...now less than 5% of healthy girls don't get their period until high school
5 years on average since 1920
semantics doesn't make anything about it less gross or wrong
>taking women seriously enough to respond to them
antifeminists are the dumbest people on the planet
Delilah ruined Samson and worst of all did it for money.
Biblical bitches.
>>8201829
>Not at all.
This is correct.
https://www.oxforddictionaries.com/definition/english/whore
>NOUN
>1 A prostitute.
>1.1 A promiscuous woman.
>VERB
>1 (Of a woman) work as a prostitute:
>1.1 (often as noun whoring) (Of a man) use the services of prostitutes
>1.2 Debase oneself by doing something for unworthy motives, typically to make money
You need to be a woman to be a whore. When we apply the verb to a man, we're referring to either being with a whore, or as a colloquialism for selling yourself like a fucking promiscuous woman (pardon the redundancy).
>>8201857
Subtle.
I like it.
>>8201867
hmm you've called my bluff. anyway would you agree that aside from yourself and a few other extremists women tend to convey less respect to men who pretend to take them intellectually seriously (let's assume 90% are in fact pretending)
>>8201849
>12 is wrong
You were wrong bitch
Me :1
Tripfag:0
This one's for the books boys
>quote the dictionary
>NO IT'S WRONG I'M RIGHT FUCK THE DICTIONARY IM A WOMYN HEAR ME ROAR
>>8201887
don't insult me, its meaningless and i didn't insult you
>>8201880
You know, I sometimes come into these threads as Eurotrash.
I read all this shit, most of which is obviously baiting.
But more often then not, some Anons throw out stuff like this and I am forced to believe that this kind of stuff is an actual issue in the USA.
As if none of you are just human beings. Just caricatures and stereotypes. Labels over labels over labels. Both jaded and hyperactive.
It's uncanny.
>>8201901
let's just say, if i had insulted you, i wouldn't have gotten a trite response back so quick >:)
>>8201918
are you sickly? i've never gotten one to my knowledge
>>8201849
>12 is wrong
why
Why would you ever talk to a tripfag? Trips are basically down syndrome identifiers.
>>8201935
>>8201954
i think you won, read any good books lately?
>>8200765
>quoting Satan from PL
you were supposed to read his sophistry critically, you stupid fuck
>>8200883
>Twelve year olds are fucking children, just shut up
ahmagaad they fukkin children
>>8200129
Marie Zickwolf from Woyzeck
Molly Bloom
>>8201433
Then what were you even on about? And the point that 18 isn't the age of consent in most states still stands. Idiot.
>>8201669
Men aren't human, hurting a man is animal cruelty not assault.
>>8201712
>Therefore we can deduce quite simply:
>Women who are called whores because the game is already tipped in their favor. If they sleep around it is likely that they're lacking morals, easy, worthless, loose. Avoid at all costs.
You REALLY suck at deduction.
>>8201786
Kill yourself.
>>8201876
>Subtle
>>8201933
Because childfucking is wrong.
>ctrl-f "ethan frome"
>phrase not found
what a comfy book that was. the ironic ending was a little too neat and over-the-top, though.
>all these normies and redshitors
You are all revealing yourselves
Anna Karenina
Obolonsky (we can include males, right? Or is this /lit9k/ now?)
>shitposting tripcunt finally got b&
Thank you based mods
I believe she's only addressed as the Whore from Catch-22. Repeatedly tries to kill Yossarian
I'm absolutely disgusted /lit/. No one has mentioned Curly's wife. I'm not angry, just disappointed.
>>8203952
But why?
Natasha Rostov
>>8200502
I don't have problem with the fact that they are portrayed in a negative way , it's one of the best aspect of the book.
>>8200281
That's from The Sailor Who Fell From Grace With the Sea.
>>8200356
>lolita
This. Everyone makes Humbert out to be a monster. Lolita was a spoiled little bitch that knew how to use her pussy.
Plus, she ended up doing porn before she became a mother and wife.
>>8204124
That doesn't make her any less hateable.
Maggie. What a sad American story.
>>8204102
If anything, Anatol Kuragin.
>>8204166
Lolita is basically your average Canadian female today
>>8204093
For shitposting, you dunce
Garbage outside of /b/
>>8200129
Lady Macbeth. What a cunt.
>>8204233
She didn't shitpost more than people do here anyway.
>>8204283
First feminist whale in literature for sure
>>8200270
Came here to post this. I felt so angry when she ruined his study for her fake woman "art" bullshit
>>8203730
levin too
>>8204487
don't forget the French governess, she started it all
>filter cunt gap
>she gets banned anyway
>>8203529
Sure is summer.
>>8200399
I was searching to see if anybody would mention her.
