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>I was legitimately criticized for an offhand remark about philosophy, so I’ve been reading books about philosophy, trying to catch up. The process of science, you could make a reasonable claim, is actually natural philosophy.
>>8181239
>mfw Bill Guy the Science Nye is finally seeing the light
Some day he might even reject the whole study of science. I'll be so proud of him when that happens.
>this guy is 50 and is probably reading plato for the first time
>>8181239
Is William "Bill Nye the Science Guy" Nye a legitimate scientist, or was he basically a proto-NDT?
>>8181291
From what I can gather, he was a comedian and entertainer with a mild STEM nerd background who pitched a kids' TV show based on science-y education that became successful, then his career went pretty quiet afterward, and then he deliberately reinvented himself as a modern popsci prophet thing.
I remember seeing him on Stargate: Atlantis with NDT as guest stars (playing themselves), right at the outset of the current wave of STEM plebbery. He knew what he was doing.
Can't blame him. Probably became insanely rich overnight.
>>8181299
His net worth is only $6.5 million
>>8181291
He had a degree in mechanical engineering and worked for Boeing before going into sketch comedy which resulted in his show. I doubt he was a super accomplished scientist.
>>8181239
Nice.
>>8181306
>only
>>8181344
It's nothing by /biz/ standards.
The problem with america is that we love us some pop scientists who we can put on tv shows and pronounce with absolute certainty on things.
Like black science man, what has he ever done to warrant such fame?
Did he invent something?
Discover something?
What?
He is famous because he is black science man
>>8181299
The idea of a pop scientist predated bill nye and NDT, carl sagan was the first modern one, before him Stephen hawking,Albert Einstein, and nikola tesla .
Someone the media calls when the kike producer yells QUICK WE NEED A SCIENTEST TO EXPLAIN HOW EARTH QUAKES WORK.
>>8181494
>Stephen hawking,Albert Einstein, and nikola tesla
Are notable in their respective fields
>>8181482
Oh fuck off. I know nothing/dont care about NDT but hes not a pop scientist, hes not a tv show actor, hes not in entertainment. You had a point with Bill Nye and people like Dr Oz and Dr Phil, they are just entertainers, albeit Bill is actually good and helpful to children.
Youre just pulling some stupid edgy r9k shit.
>>8181518
Seriously, explain to me what he does, what has he discovered to warrant fame besides be black science man?
>>8181518
>hes not a pop scientist, hes not a tv show actor, hes not in entertainment
>Pop Scientists
When will they learn?
>>8181239
>http://mobile.nytimes.com/2016/06/19/nyregion/how-bill-nye-the-science-guy-spends-his-sundays.html?smid=fb-nytimes&smtyp=cur&_r=0&referer=http://m.facebook.com
Wow that chair he has looks comfy as fuck. I'd love to make my own reading chair but I barely made my bookshelf last week
>>8181545
Ok yeah but its not like he got his start in entertainment, he has credentials. Its not his fault that "geek/nerdy/tech/science" shit blew up with Big Bang Theory and people wanting to be "nerrdy xD!"
also
>filename
whats wrong with you?
>>8181535
Why the fuck would ANYONE care if hes black? How would that make him more popular? The only people that like him are white neckbeards, its not like blacks made him popular, bc im convinced most dont give a shit about him.
>>8181568
>those who can, do
>those who can't, become memes to survive
>>8181239
I heard he's a huge dick IRL
>>8181627
I read this as "has a huge dick" and I'm disappointed
My mind was already lighting up with the possibility of Bill Nye cock talk
>>8181630
I imagine he would
We were a small college club with around 10 members and on a whim one of our members emailed tyson's agent to see if we could book him. We found out it would cost 40k (it raised to 50k in December of that year where I think it still might be) for his speaking fee plus expenses to have him come to our college for 1 day where he'd host a small lecture, a press meeting, dinner with up to 6 people, and the main lecture and a book signing time permitting. We decided to go for it, and spent a year where our club exclusively worked on bringing him in.
When he arrived, myself and others introduced ourselves and our fields of study. He went after first of us in humanities or soft sciences pretty much relentlessly from the get go. We're all used to the philosophy major working at McDonald's joke, but he wasn't trying to be funny, and spent the ride from the airport making repeated comments about the uselessness of our majors. Additionally he spent about 5 minutes trying to show that logic was stupid but he was citing logical rules and Occam's razor.
The small lecture was him bragging about how famous he was, and how easy it is to pull yourself out of poverty or etc. The dinner was for leaders of other clubs so helped us raise money. He took the piss out of how one student held her fork, and was impossibly smug when giving advice to physics students.
The main event was a terribly boring lecture consisting of fart jokes and fan service; teasing the upcoming TV series he was in and not much else. He spent a quarter of the time reading Sagan's blue dot, which is nice but shouldn't have cost us because it wasn't his material.
He left at about 2am, and we were all exhausted because we had spent the day busy setting up and tearing down. The whole affair cost nearly 85k. The additional money being for locations, personnel, air fare, Tyson's hotel, catering, etc.
We all decided he was an ass hole. I'd never want to spend 16 hours with a celebrity again.
>>8181638
lol, is this real, reads like that copypasta where the celebrity walks into a store and steals a bunch of milkyways and pretends to be asleep
>>8181535
There really aren't many people with PhDs in astrophysics. Among them he's famous because he also takes time to do educational things, but he does have a serious background unlike some others
Science is literally natural philosophy
>>8181494
>tesla
>inventor of fucking AC
>pop scientist
>>8181754
Wow, now I can be cold inside all year! Thanks Nikky!
>>8181680
>There really aren't many people with PhDs in astrophysics.
Kek, hope you don't actually believe that
>>8181761
Yes... on account of the AC necessary to power your AC.
>>8181761
"Alternating Current" you stupid fuck.
>>8181786
Literally this entire fucking thread is about science, particularly scientists vis-a-vis philosophy. If the fact that we know what AC stands for is what you consider to be too far, then I honestly don't know what to tell you.
>>8181494
Tesla and Einstein weren't actually pop scientists.
>>8181793
>If the fact that we know what AC stands for is what you consider to be too far
You actually are this stupid, aren't you?
>>8181768
It's a small field, with a low number of unemployed doctorates. So yes
>>8181793
>I made a thread about science on a literature board, but I'm not the moron! You are!
>>8181821
I didn't make the thread, I came in later.
>>8181251
>implying there is anything wrong with starting philosophy at a mature age
>>8181829
youre being broiled alive by continuous trolling as we speak. catch up m8.
>>8181361
He did it without having to have a crappo life as an investor or financier so he made out fine
>>8181247
>Some day he might even reject the whole study of science.
>throwing out the baby with the bathwater
ISHYGDDT
>>8181361
>/biz/ standards
Like anybody should give a single fuck. He has MILLIONS of dollars. I would laugh every single time I went to the bank.
He does what he loves and is well off for it for the rest of his life, it is the very definition of success.
>>8181627
So did I actually, apparently he was a dick to everyone when he had his show
Anglo stemlords will NEVER start with the greeks.
>>8181494
Sagan predated Hawking.
>>8181361
90% of /biz/ has net worths oscillating between -$10k and +$1k trading penny stocks.
Alrigt guys, who's in #teamphilosophy ?
We're going to beat these /sci/ faggots on #teamscience through the power of our mind, knowing that we cannot actually know nuffin.
Prepare your arguments. For example, what do you answer to /sci/ when he telle you without science we wouldn't have aspirin and internet?
That's right, you tell him that without science we would spend our days rolling and lolling in the grass fucking and eating fruits in the most natural of ways.
Wait until he figures out that Theology is the Queen of Sciences.
>>8181239
Good guy Bill Nye
>>8182444
>someone out there actually believes this
>>8182813
They'll graduate from high school eventually, don't feel bad about random morons every time someone posts obvious bait.
>>8182444
This is what /r/badphilosophy actually think when they drop the spook of looking respectable.
>>8181494
>stephen hawking, albert einstein, and nikola tesla
>pop scientists
you're not very smart are you?
>>8181239
>reading philosophy on sunday afternoons
So he's going to be somewhere around Aquinas when he croaks.
>>8181494
>carl sagan
He did actually discover stuff and participate in scientific stuff. The man just really cared about people and wanted to reach and educate them, and he had he's own views on society.
Seriously, watch the original Cosmos. Unlike the modern one, he actually knew about humanity and philosophy, he wasn't afraid to use it along with science.
>>8181518
>I know nothing/dont care about NDT
[Proceeds to make several claims about him]
>hes not a pop scientist
>hes not a tv show actor
>hes not in entertainment
literally all of these things are true of him though. not saying that as an inherent criticism (although tbqh i can't stand him), but you are 100% wrong about this.
>>8181613
>Its not his fault that "geek/nerdy/tech/science" shit blew up
actually, i think he is partially responsible for this trend.
>Why the fuck would ANYONE care if hes black?
are you just being cute at this point or do you genuinely believe that not one single person's perception of his in influenced (positively or negatively) by the fact that he is a racial minority?
>>8181239
There's a meme in society of some kind of entrepreneurial post-capitalist industrial-scientific "productivity" thing, and they are expressing the meme because they are demi-conscious memebuoys floating on a slurry sea of currents you can only see if you zoom out
It's exhausting even trying to give an answer to this question. You need to like phenomenologically bracket every single word and write a book explaining that they aren't even people. They aren't even conscious. They aren't even having "opinions". STEM people are like robots with human skin stretched over them. To say "they are dismissive of the humanities" is implicitly to admit I think there's a "they". STEM people don't even fucking exist. They are a statistical gaseous nebula of random particles wafting across continents and periodically expressing junk they picked up along the way. Why would you even talk to them?
Talking to a STEMfag is literally like being some kind of Buddha, ascending reality, then coming back down and talking to bees who were dudes in past lives. I'm sure these bee niggas can be saved or whatever, but let's just wait until they're back in human form. Don't walk around going "BEES, STOP BUZZING, PUT DOWN THAT POLLEN, LISTEN TO ME ABOUT HOW EVERY CONCEPTUAL CATEGORY YOU HAVE FOR EVEN THINKING OF THINGS WAS SHAPED FOR YOU BY AN UNCONSCIOUS SLUDGE OF MEMETIC POLYALLOY THAT FLOWS IN PREDICTABLE CURRENTS FROM YEAR TO YEAR THROUGH THE HIVE IN WHICH YOU WERE CONCEIVED"
>>8185146
*perception of him is
it's late. i'm tired.
>>8185150
Please force this pasta I think it's fucking great.
(this post is not sarcastic)
>>8181251
Aristotle wrote in the Nicomachean ethics that only the old of age are fit for philosophy.
>>8182444
Aspirin came from a folk remedy like most medicines.
>>8184516
So why did he work on nuking the moon?
>>8185150
Nice.
>>8181675
>and pretends to be asleep
That's not the one, the one with the Milky Ways has the "electrical infetterance."
>>8185294
Because fuck the moon.
>>8181251
It's actually a better idea to not read the work of philosophers until you're older. Otherwise, you end up developing mentally as a shadow of someone else.
>>8185505
Better than not developing mentally at all.
>>8185153
It's part of /lit/ history now.
>>8185505
You do anyway, it's just that it might be the shadow of someone smarter rather then the shadow of your average plato-judeo-christian morality.
>>8185509
>you need other people to spoon-feed you
It's okay. Independence isn't for everyone.
>>8181849
ah, the old "pretending to be stupid" defense
sure bud, sure you were.
>>8185517
>being in denial about you being a product of your environment
>>8185520
Yeah, you said nothing even remotely like that. Try again, son.
>>8185517
>not standing on the shoulders of giants
so how long did it take for you to reinvent the wheel? did it take much time to go from there to the internet?
>>8185531
Nope. A couple of years, at most. Let me know when you get to the wheel bit.
>>8185537
ohh nice I like how you copied my insult, you're obviously a specimen of independence
>>8185547
>thinks the insult was the same
Try again.
>>8185549
no, we're done here.
>>8185558
Sure thing, bright eyes.
>>8185564
that's right, lay down and take it you fairy faggot cunt
>>8185570
You're still here, little one? Go take a long walk off a short pier.
>>8185576
>Go take a long walk off a short pier.
This is 4chan, you can just say "go fuck yourself."
>>8181776
lol look at this guy
>>8185579
The implication of suicide was what I was going for.
>>8185603
get fucked sideways with knives
>>8181754
>Tesla invented AC
Ignorant as fuck. Michael Faraday was the first to propose it theoretically, and following that close to 20 major breakthroughs were made by different people and Tesla happened to be one of them.
Tesla is truly the meme of memes.
>>8185612
See, there's no subtlety to that.
Philosophy is a crutch, and contrary to what you may believe - most people aren't crippled.
Go out into the world and talk to people; there are odd beliefs here and there, but most of them are well-centered and well-equipped to lead happy and fulfilling lives that contribute to their community. If you think the media and internet are an accurate summary of humanity, then you've been misinformed.
Everyone leans on belief sometimes, and if that mechanism interests you - by all means, study it.
If you think you have ideas which can help people live better - by all means, write it.
But if you think it somehow elevates you over the gibbering masses, you're mistaken.
>>8185651
>Go out into the world and talk to people; there are odd beliefs here and there, but most of them are well-centered and well-equipped to lead happy and fulfilling lives that contribute to their community.
PURE
>>8185651
As much as it hurts me, I agree.
It's not just a crutch though, it's the heavy rock that smashed your leg in the first place.
>But if you think it somehow elevates you over the gibbering masses, you're mistaken.
Except for this. I guess you'd have to argue about what "elevates" even means, but I firmly hold that it helps you to a more conscious form of consciousness.
>>8185657I just snuck that in there to piss off the autists, your position in the cosmos is your own business.[/spoilers]
>>8181239
>recognises a legitimate criticism and is taking steps to correct his shortcomings
honestly he seems like a better person than 99% of /lit/
>>8185845
no he's a pseudo intellectual scientismist middlebrow fucking KEK
>>8185855
nice trip there, friend :^)
>>8186033
nice name there, friend 0_o
>>8185651
>Philosophy is a crutch
How can ideas be a crutch? This is more projection of motive than absolute fact.
>>8186046
kill yourself trip GAYLORD
>>8186042
Thanks, I even got myself a trip to go with it now so I can become a fully worthless attentionwhore
>>8186046
>>8186052
tripping is nothing more than self-masturbation, it adds nothing to anonymous conversations, in fact it actually detracts from their authenticity and structure
if there is a reason people might have to identify a single poster in a thread then a trip is acceptable, otherwise it's pointless and annoying
>>8186067
>how to take screenshot
>antidepressants
Every time
>>8186071
>>8186067
top kek.
>>8186067
Agreed, friend
>>8181799
Einstein was. His wife did all of his work for him. He stole the rest from the patent office.
>>8181568
>someone who won't take common sense for an answer
Reminder.
>>8186400
And Serbia wins again!
>>8186400
wtf I hate einstein now
