Has an autismo ever produced great literature? What about decent? Serious question.
Finnegans Wake is a novel by Irish writer James Joyce. It is significant for its experimental style and reputation as one of the most difficult works of fiction in the English language.
Of course it has, guys like Houellebecq are evidence.
>>8138398
Does the entirely of analytic philosophy count as literature?
>>8138398
Paradise Lost
But actually, though
>>8138430
Do you mean continental philosophy?
>>8138398
most published authors
>>8138398
Kafka, Dickinson, Joyce, Patricia Highsmith
>>8138438
>According to a blobjective point of view, petropolitical undercurrents function as narrative lubes
>>8138438
An autistic person would be incapable of producing something so senseless, and without order.
Perhaps Coleridge, although all his best stuff is so profoundly affective and compassionate that I can hardly believe the attempt by some critics to attach Asperger's to him. Harold Bloom says there are not a dozen really good critics currently living, anyway (naturally he counts himself among them). But I think there's a certain extent to which you have to acknowledge the current institutional trends in criticism as a token of the times. Perhaps we need to think of Coleridge as an aspie, and perhaps that can lead to a better understanding of him, but the indignant art-worshipper in me instinctively finds that unpalatable.
>>8138430
Well, if we include philosophy, I would immediately want to include Wittgenstein, who is an extremely literate philosopher regardless of which camp you place him in. He would almost certainly be placed on the spectrum, and there was certainly something wrong with him, though in a magnificent way. Then again just about any remotely interesting person get put on the spectrum today, regardless of whether they have something wrong with them.
>>8138405
>>8138450
You people are ridiculous; Joyce didn't have anything resembling autism and was a fairly sociable and well-liked man. He was often mean to his friends and acquaintances, but he had no problems in making them. And Kafka and Dickinson, while certainly odd birds, weren't aspies either. I know nothing of Highsmith, but given your track record I'm inclined to doubt that she was an aspie either.
>>8138470
>Kafka thought licking a womans face was an appropriate show of affection
>not an autist
k
>>8138476
Where does he say that? I can tell you with near certainty he was in jest. He was a very humorous writer and person.
>>8138405
Joyce was borderline schizophrenic.
Schizophrenia is like the exact opposite of autism, it's caused by sensitivity and stress overload while spergs lack any and all emotion
Autists are usually very focused people too
>>8138484
The Trial
And don't give me any of that "hurr durr hypnotic writing method".
Dude was a bit more than an "odd ball".
>>8138491
>spergs lack any and all emotion
But that's not how that works at all.
>>8138491
You do not know what you are talking about
The Legend of the 10 Elemental Masters
>>8138502
t. autismo
>>8138470
>while certainly odd birds
So they had autism. Remember, the meaning of autism has changed, so anyone odd has a good possibility of being autistic.
>>8138491
>Schizophrenia is like the exact opposite of autism, it's caused by sensitivity and stress overload while spergs lack any and all emotion
That's not true, oversensitivity to sensory stimulation is common in ASD. As for emotion, depression and anxiety disorders are commonly comorbid with ASD.
I was diagnosed with the condition, something I was initially sceptical of, so I have been told, in depth, about the nature of the condition.
>>8138517
>I was diagnosed with ____
>He fell for the psychology meme
>>8138491
autism used be a symptom of schizophrenia when we made people read freud.
>>8138503
he's not wrong, schizophrenia and autism have recently been theorized to, at least w.r.t some symptoms and from a phenomenological perspective, be "opposite" each other. the typical phenomenological account is that schizophrenics are hyper-aware of their own consciousness, subjectivity, etc. and that of others (in a way that is often dissociative and overwhelming, leading to hallucinations/delusions), whereas autists experience almost no awareness of this kind.
of course, there are biological reasons behind these phenomena as well ... and its unlikely that one brain condition cannot be "opposite" another, but there seem to be at least some systems in common.
interestingly, autists have almost perfect pitch detection, and schizophrenics have very poor pitch detection. it is believed that pitch detection training may actually improve some symptoms of schizo.
>>8138529
* can be opposite
>>8138529
>pitch
As in sound?
>>8138500
Oh, please. You're going about it completely wrong if you think Josef K. literally is Kafka. It has nothing to do with his writing method, and--while this point is made somewhat too often, it seems to need repeating here--let's not forget that he was commonly bowled over with laughter while reading from his works, particularly The Trial.
>>8138511
Right, and I think that's completely ridiculous, so I'm operating off of an earlier definition of autism. Otherwise OP's question is uninteresting and ridiculous, because all decent writers would be classified as having something autism-related now, because the autism 'spectrum' has become nothing more than a tool to enforce conformity. Anyone with an introverted, or indeed a complex, mind is now diagnosed with autism. If they have drive or ambition, then they are ADD. If they have big ideas, they've got some form of schizophrenia. If they have any deep feelings, they have depression or at least an anxiety disorder, which must then be medicated, and happily the wallets of the physicians and pharmacists also get medicated.
>>8138517
Right, and that in-depth analysis is completely absurd. So I'm taking OP to be asking a somewhat more specific, meaningful question--not whether there have been interesting and/or profound people who have written good books, which is tautologically true.
>>8138533
Yeah. Probably has something to do with the fact that schizophrenics are less likely to accurately interpret what they see, and it will be sort of governed by their imagination, or something like that... most people will do this to some degree. Autists, on the other hand, see exactly what there really is, without anything getting in the way.
It's really pretty interesting stuff IMO
>>8138476
that can be an appropriate show of affection
schizophrenia = postmodernism, self awareness, subjective thought, chaos, creativity, insecurity, empathy overload to the point where it fries their system and their emotional receptors don't properly work
autism = objective thought, lack of empathy, ideology, lack of self awareness, concentrated subject matter, "beginning and end", pre modernism
>>8138557
especially if you're a stirnerist free spirit
>>8138535
>You're going about it completely wrong if you think Josef K. literally is Kafka.
Not literally, but if you really can't see that K is an insert and a big one at that, I can't help you.
The Trial was entirely written for him self as a form of catharsis. Brot was to destroy it but didn't, torturing generations of German hig schoolers with this BS.
Every single aspect of Kafka (the trial in particular) can be easily understood with Kafka in the middle of it. From his father, his job, his odd relationship to women/sex, friends,... Everything.
Thinking of any of Kafkas works (the Trial in particular) as a well thought out piece of literature is simply distorting the facts to suit the Kafka-meme. And I'm sick and tired of people trying to make it something that it isn't.
Is it interesting? Sure. Was it good? Meh.
I don't know why Americans get so hyped about it. Maybe the translation makes it sound more coherent and intentional or something.
>>8138398
Proust
>>8138438
Nick Land is from Great Britain, which, being an island nation off the coast of France, cannot, by definition, produce Continental philosophy.
>>8138589
Well, it's fine (actually no it isn't, but let us presuppose for the sake of congeniality) if you don't like Kafka, but that wasn't the point of this thread. But it is completely absurd to dismiss Kafka as just a raving, selfish lunatic, regardless of whether you can speak German. If you're not moved by The Metamorphosis, In the Penal Colony, The Trial, etc., I, similarly, can't help you.
>>8138398
DFW - Infinite Jest
>>8138606
Pretty sure the Continental - Analytic divide is based on philosophical approach rather than location.
>>8138873
then why call it continental philosophy?
>>8138491
http://www.scientificamerican.com/article/brain-tissue-study-deepens-autism-schizophrenia-link/
It's like you are making stuff up as you go along. Schizos even have the symptom "flat affect" you fucking mong
>>8138878
i dunno lol
>>8138412
>Houellebecq
Kant was the ultimate autismo
>>8138878
because of its origins
>>8138398
Seriously?
>>8138589
>He shits on Kafka because he was forced to read him in school
What else is new.
>>8138398
My Twisted World by St. Elliot Rodger
>>8138589
>Every single aspect of Kafka (the trial in particular) can be easily understood with Kafka in the middle of it. From his father, his job, his odd relationship to women/sex, friends,... Everything.
Lol
My diary.
>>8138589
>Every single aspect of Kafka (the trial in particular) can be easily understood with Kafka in the middle of it. From his father, his job, his odd relationship to women/sex, friends,... Everything.
So where is the masturbating to bestiality porn?
