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Can you explain to me how Marcuse who's part of the Frankfurt School is so revered by the SJWs even though he's against the SJW bullshit and generally pretty reasonable?
>This sort of tolerance strengthens the tyranny of the majority against which authentic liberals protested. The political locus of tolerance has changed: while it is more or less quietly and constitutionally withdrawn from the opposition, it is made compulsory behavior with respect to established policies. Tolerance is turned from an active into a passive state, from practice to non-practice: laissez-faire the constituted authorities. It is the people who tolerate the government, which in turn tolerates opposition within the framework determined by the constituted authorities.
>Tolerance toward that which is radically evil now appears as good because it serves the cohesion of the whole on the road to affluence or more affluence. The toleration of the systematic moronization of children and adults alike by publicity and propaganda, the release of destructiveness in aggressive driving, the recruitment for and training of special forces, the impotent and benevolent tolerance toward outright deception in merchandizing, waste, and planned obsolescence are not distortions and aberrations, they are the essence of a system which fosters tolerance as a means for perpetuating the struggle for existence and suppressing the alternatives.
http://www.marcuse.org/herbert/pubs/60spubs/65repressivetolerance.htm
???
>>8096930
> The group that makes hysteria a relevant pathological category again is ignorant
Well I'll be...
>>8096966
I've actually seen him mentioned as the philosophical founder of SJW bullshit or something like that by people who don't like them too, and I just can't wrap my mind around it. Am I completely misunderstanding this shit or what?
>>8096969
If you're referring to Cultural Marxism conspiracy theorists, then you're pretty much searching for meaning in a barren wasteland filled with shit flinging monkeys. Forget about Youtube philosophers and just read the authors. The Frankfurt School pretty much considered identity politics insufficient compared to class struggle (however we may define it as) and opposed the degeneracy of cheap entertainment for the masses.
The trouble with people who complain about the Frankfurt school being misrepresented, is that they never really offer anything by way of a remedy.
If we could have some /lit/-style reading guide, I'd properly look into it.
Over the past few days, I've seen people claiming they were actually fairly conservative traditionalists, who were complaining about Capitalism subverting real/proper culture on account of globalism and general consumer culture.
If that's true, then they have a weird amount in common with the likes of Evola.
>>8096976
>If you're referring to Cultural Marxism conspiracy theorists, then you're pretty much searching for meaning in a barren wasteland filled with shit flinging monkeys
You can't blame them in fairness, after self-declared Marxists went in and scrapped the Wikipedia article for Cultural Marxism in favour of a redirect to the 'conspiracy theory' section of the Frankfurt School page.
When most people use the phrase, what they really mean is something more in line with Gramsci's Critical Theory.
>>8096977
I wouldn't call them conservative traditionalists exactly since they were Marxists, they were not seeking to conserve the present system, but since they were intellectuals they pretty much had sources from the entire history of Western thought so in this way they were traditionalist. Hence the conspiracy accusations: if you read Benjamin you'll see that the Jewish texts were filled with philosophical problems worthy of consideration , such as the value of bare life or the relationship between law and protest.
>>8096980
Before:
https://archive.today/YzkIS
After:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frankfurt_School#Cultural_Marxism_conspiracy_theory (Totally unbiased, amirite?)
>>8096977
>>Over the past few days, I've seen people claiming they were actually fairly conservative traditionalists, who were complaining about Capitalism subverting real/proper culture on account of globalism and general consumer culture.
This is literally what Marcuse is saying in the shit I linked in the OP. Habermas was supposedly heavily against postmodernism. So who the hell is responsible for what is generally thought of as the "Frankfurt School bullshit" in popular discourse? Gramsci?
>>8097000
>So who the hell is responsible for what is generally thought of as the "Frankfurt School bullshit" in popular discourse? Gramsci?
I'd say the Neo-Liberals who, during the latter half of the 20th century, tried to make Capitalism/Free Trade one in the same with Conservatism.
It makes sense that they'd want to smear a school of thought that argued, not without reason, that all Capitalism and the Free Market achieve (unless properly regulated with generous amounts of Protectionism/etc) is some sort of soulless consumer culture that revolves around materialism.
Pic related sums it up nicely.
>>8096977
>The trouble with people who complain about the Frankfurt school being misrepresented, is that they never really offer anything by way of a remedy.
The only solution would be a counter-propaganda campaign. How the fuck do you expect us to fix stupid people obsessing over stupid shit?
>If we could have some /lit/-style reading guide, I'd properly look into it.
All you would need is a google. The shit spouted by pol/, Crowder or whatever doesn't even make sense after you read the fucking Wikipedia entry
I have never heard a liberal or an SJW mention any of the Frankfurt schoolers. Ever.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=up3_u-4HD_w
>>8097000
Gramsci had a lot to do with it.
When people trot out 'Cultural Marxism', what they really mean is the sort of selfish and self-serving moral/cultural relativism we have seen throughout the 20th century which, if taken to its logical terminus, leads to an essentially amoral/immoral society of toxic individualism.
>>8096980
> When most people use the phrase, what they really mean is something more in line with Gramsci's Critical Theory.
I wouldn't know, I only heard it on 4chan spouted as a conspiracy theory against Western civilization.
>>8097000
The cancer starts with Hegel and runs through all of what is called "continental philosophy". Once you open the door to irrational nonsense, anything goes.
>>8097021
Define rational.
>>8097016
>>When people trot out 'Cultural Marxism', what they really mean is the sort of selfish and self-serving moral/cultural relativism we have seen throughout the 20th century which, if taken to its logical terminus, leads to an essentially amoral/immoral society of toxic individualism.
This is a pretty good description of the ideology blob I have in mind when someone says it, yeah. So what are the proper origins of that then?
>>8097021
And none of that shit has anything to do with SJW's, so the conspiracy is still retarded
>>8097021
>>The cancer starts with Hegel and runs through all of what is called "continental philosophy".
But how when there's also Kant and Kierkegaard and Nietzsche and Schoppenhauer, who are all relatively reasonable.
>>8097021
>muh analytics
Every fucking time.
>>8097029
Kant was pre-Hegel, and the others you mention rejected Hegel.
Oh look, /lit/ is debating Marxism again.
But as soon as a conservative author is presented it's "MEME MEME MEME!!!!!".
>>8097041
Take your "muh feels" and go straight back to plebbit, homo.
Reminder that sjws have now gone full circle and hate the jews for opressing those poor palestinians.
>>8097025
That's the question, bub.
It's hard to tell who's responsible, but you can certainly tell who benefits:
1) Capitalists. These guys hate borders/nations and any sort of distinct culture, as these things provide an obstacle to the utopian ideal; that is, a one-market world of entirely interchangeable consumers and producers. As things are right now, with regulations/differing tastes/etc, the push for a global economy comes as no surprise.
2) Delusional 'revolutionary' Lefties who likewise dream of a world with "No Borders, No Nations", as they actually see these things as an invention of the Capitalists to 'divide and conquer' Humanity. The moral/cultural relativism they exercise is just one means by which they hope to achieve a 'unified' Humanity; by essentially relativizing all meaningful Human differences out of existence.
Both sides of the coin misunderstand one another, yet both benefit one another. Capitalists see Lefties as useful idiots, whereas Lefties see Capitalists as evil. They share the same enemy, and thus they are one another's friend; even if they don't really realize it.
>>8097025
Foucault. He started all that crap.
Honestly, Foucault was even supportive of neoliberalism.
>>8097059
But jews are opressing the palestinians. Jews don't receive a special "get out of jail" card for doing all sorts of retarded shit, same with muslims or anyone else.
>>8097059
Why aren't leftists just converting to Islam?
They've completely hollowed out everything they stand for to appease to one particular religion and that religion only.
At this point they're not even leftists anymore, but crypto-islam.
>>8097044
I see, this is interesting. Isn't Zizek autistically obsessed with Hegel? He strikes me as a rather unsavory type too.
>>8097027
There's no "conspiracy" the way rightwingers imagine it - as in, a bunch of intellectuals plotting to take down Western civilization.
No, it started with Hegel's personal choice to write in a torturous style like Kant, but without any actual ideas underneath. He figured, "most people can't tell the difference between Kant and sheer nonsense, so why put in the effort?" And it worked for him - he became a celebrity. Thing is, Kant was a bad writer but a great thinker. Hegel was both a bad writer and a bad thinker, and became famous by "playing the part" of the philosopher in the public imagination. He set the example for future nonsense-mongers like Heidegger, Foucault, Derrida, and all the "SJW" types that refuse to make sense out of principle.
>>8097060
Is the relativism just a perfectly natural byproduct of academic nepotism/cronyism then?
>>8097074
Zizek is really religious. He detests all "pagan" forms of ideology and exalt the Christian tradition to a point where he might as well be one.
He claims he's an atheist and a materialist, but in essence he talks from within the bounds of a radical idealism.
Like most of these neo-Lacanians, they're really a 21st century form of Jansenism.
>>8097076
> He set the example for future nonsense-mongers like Heidegger, Foucault, Derrida, and all the "SJW" types that refuse to make sense out of principle.
People unironically think this. I'm not even gonna refute it. Just google some lectures on said authors and see if they make sense for you or not.
Marcuse also worked for the CIA, was critical of the USSR, etc. Pretty based for a marxist.
>>8096930
HE ISNT
THEY DONT READ THEM
YOU FUCKING YOUTUBE CHANNEL FELLATING MOUTH BREATHING RETARD
>>8097090
Pagan values are the only salvation for the west.
I think I'm going pagan, because all else seems like cuckoldly and suicide at this point.
>>8097029
If I like these guys and think everyone who doesn't is a degenerate, who else should I read?
>>8097080
I'd say good old-fashioned greed and delusion are at its roots, but it goes deeper than that.
The main driving force is economic, however; Globalization, namely. Politically speaking, the Utopians are riding on Globalization's coat tails. They are only slightly better, as their motivation (delusion) is no where near as bad as greed, but both roads lead to the same dystopia.
That is, a world of bourgeois bohemians and hedonistic libertines; people who, as if having taken the thinking of Epicurus/etc to the very limits of autism, spare no thought for the morrow and live only for the pursuit of pleasure and of 'more'.
It ironically matches Schopenhauer's definition of Will; endless, blind striving. These things make people sacrifice themselves on behalf of their Will; or perhaps, to become sheer Will with lives of Willing.
>>8097107
They are. I used to be into Zizek, but the more I study him, the more I see this "let's be utopian for utopianism's sake" being absolutely detrimental to society.
It's what makes continental philosophy shit.. This "let's chase my dreams/break some eggs/fail better" that is a sign of quarter life crisis kids.
And I'm not an analytic at all, but jesus fucking christ..
Like how he completely stutters when we are actually facing staggering challenges.
>uh...uh... uh... my gott accept/do not accept all deh refugees, but we need to think first!!
It's absolutely ineffective. He has proven himself to be an armchair Hegelian. And he even says he's ready to abandon all "the leftist bullshit" for one good reading of Hegel, so there you have his goals. Good if you wanna get into Hegel, but that's it.
>>8097018
The term was originally a leftist one, and it pretty much coincided with its current 4chanistic meaning.
Emily Hicks was one of Marcuse's students, this is from '81:
>In her essay, “Cultural Marxism: Nonsynchrony and Feminist Practice,” Emily Hicks argues that the marriage of Marxism and feminism leads to a narrow formulation of their respective oppressions and a narrow understanding of the dynamics of society. Hicks states that a cultural Marxism is needed to reach and incorporate broader groups of people into a socialist movement: people who do not all have the same politics or the same political needs. Nor the same socialist vision. A Marxism that cannot reach more people with its theory and practice will become irrelevant.
And from Merelman a couple of years later:
>I wanted to [...] find a novel way of talking about culture and politics. To this end I was simultaneously stimulated and frustrated by recent work on my chosen subject. I found “cultural Marxism” as pursued by Raymond Williams, Gramsci, Habermas, Lukacs, and others immensely suggestive, yet ultimately unsatisfactory.
>>8097130
he only stutters in english, it's weird, even in french that disappears
>>8097130
>but the more I study him, t
Wait, people actually take him seriously as a philosopher/thinker/whatever?
I just watch him like I'd watch Sargon or whoever on youtube, as a guy who comments on some random social phenomenon. Do you people actually read his books or something?
>>8097065
>He started all that crap.Honestly, Foucault was even supportive of neoliberalism.
See? 4chan has no idea what the fuxk they are talking about
>>8097137
>Emily Hicks argues that the marriage of Marxism and feminism
MARXISM+
>>8097139
he's a serious philosopher, he writes both pop and serious books
wouldn't you do the same, given the chance? have some impact rather than only speak to 1000 people max.
>>8097130
>Tfw he has an entire shelf devoted to him in the philosophy section of my Waterstones
>>8097151
I heard his books are just endless repetitions of the same shit he talks about (and he already repeats the same shit in all of his talks) so I never bothered. What are the "serious" books on?
So-called "cultural marxism" is the opposite of everything Marx ever believed in and stood for.
>>8097139
His book on Hegel was the first, since a long time, where he didn't make "dirty jokes" or some childish pop nonsense bullshit references.
It's really good.. And it's the only book he is actually proud of.
>>8097163
A bullshit artist "interpreting" another bullshit artist - fantastic.
>>8097143
Except I do know what the fuck I'm talking about.
https://www.jacobinmag.com/2014/12/foucault-interview/
>>8096977
Evola isn't a traditionalist. He's a new age ooga booga moron.
>heh the tradition isn't what has been done for the past 1500 years, the REAL tradition is this Indian magic bro, that's what Europe is really about
>>8097166
YEAH BUT WHAT IF WE DONT DREAM WE END UP IN ASIATIC DESPOTISM
I question to what extent the Left should be putting so much faith in religious Muslims as our allies. They're either turning to right-wing religious fascism, or assimilating quite nicely into capitalism and consumerism. Very rarely do you see Muslim immigrants joining Leftist parties.
>>8097060
No real leftist is opposed to capitalism as such, capitalism is progressive under certain contexts and attempting to introduce alternatives where there just doesn't exist the basis only ends badly. Only America, China and developed industrial powers have the means to seriously transition away from capitalism today if they wanted to.
Communitarianism, even self proclaimed leftist ones, should always be viewed skeptically. Passports didn't even exist before WWI, a world without borders isn't utopian you just have to undo the massive growth of the state that occurred in the 20th century.
>>8097166
He's old and ethnic. He's popular because there's still this faction among undergrads who don't want to engage in identity politics, not because it's retarded tribalism necessarily, but mainly because they suffer from sehnsucht for the 19th century.
>>8097185
>not utopian
ease of transport
unlimited information
>>8097174
Evola was a Traditionalist; he just defined Tradition as a handful of eternal, unchanging values. I don't have them to hand at the moment.
Tradition, in the sense that most 'conservatives' think of it, was in his eyes nothing more than 'residues.' That is, attachment to certain institutions/styles/etc throughout history, which are not 'Traditional' at all but merely 'bourgeois residues'.
The point of 'Men Among the Ruins' was for people to abandon the ruins; those dilapidated, crumbling institutions and all of the 'dust' from whatever bygone and irretrievable era they may wish to resurrect.
This type of man, once free from the ruins, can then proceed to build new and lasting institutions/traditions/etc, themselves founded on the eternal and unchanging values of 'Tradition' - rather than longing for mere ruins, which would probably collapse on top of him regardless.
>>8097183
Let me guess - you watch a lot of Fox News, right?
>falling for /pol/ memes
kek
Anyway, One Dimensional Man is great and so are Minima Moralia and Dialectic of Enlightenment.
>>8097185
>No real leftist is opposed to capitalism as such
Are you fucking retarded?
>>8097185
>No real leftist is opposed to capitalism as such
I'm not really convinced. At best, you might find a few who think of it as a necessary evil; to be tolerated until such times as it can be cast off completely.
>Passports didn't even exist before WWI, a world without borders isn't utopian you just have to undo the massive growth of the state that occurred in the 20th century.
>No passports meant no borders, no border control, etc
>>8097200
FAUX NEWS xDDDD
Yeah and I vote Trump and make an issue out of trannies pissing in the bathroom.
I'm a walking strawman basically.
>>8097185
>No real leftist is opposed to capitalism as such
lmao
>>8097198
Sounds like NWO talk to me famafufu.
Zizek is of relevance nowadays, because like de Benoist of the European New Right, both think the Left-Right dictotomy of today is bullshit in an age of unopposed liberalism. The so-called postmodern left nowadays accepts the rootless nature of cosmopolitanism and its materialis.
Notice how they're all obcessed with consuming and commenting on pop culture.
>>8097198
I mean what's the point of 'tradition' if I cannot stick it to the niggers. I don't care about eternity or values. I just don't wanna see blacks do any better than any one member of my race is all (or for them to be able to fuck our women).
>>8097211
>>8097204
Without capitalism you just got feudalism forever. Marx was even a free trader and attacked reactionary economists like Friedrich List.
>>8097207
People largely could go pretty much where ever they wanted if they had the means to. Marco Polo travelled the world without communist or capitalist border guards detaining him even once!
>>8096930
>Thinks gay rights and feminism are radically evil
Get some perspective you fucking idiot
>>8097224
>Friedrich List
my nigga. now there is a name all this 'nationalists' should learn.
>>8097214
It sounded like that to me too, senpai.
He makes a persuasive case, however; and one that actually stands up to scrutiny more than defending 'X traditions from X country at X time'.
>>8097220
You'd have some fun with Evola, lel.
He blamed Jazz on niggers and essentially claimed that it, along with the sort of 'wild' dancing that followed, were evil and corrupting.
>>8097224
>People largely could go pretty much where ever they wanted if they had the means to.
Yeah, as fucking tourists.
>>8097230
>Implying they weren't
Open your eyes, friendo.
>>8097230
Why aren't they?
Calling it the current year is not an argument, you navel gazing millennial shithead.
>>8096930
>He said tolerance, that means political correctness
You dumb fuck.
>>8097238
>Yeah, as fucking tourists.
What do you mean by this? I remember in times of Dostoyevski, who both did this, and wrote about various characters doing it, it was customary to move to Europe from Russia with no hassles (if you had means to support yourself), especially if you got into some sort of political or legal trouble etc.
>>8097224
>Without capitalism you just got feudalism forever. Marx was even a free trader and attacked reactionary economists like Friedrich List.
0/10 - retarded troll.
>>8097247
As much as I envy the people of those days their freedom to move about between nations, if they possessed the means, nowadays we cannot do that.
Look at the swaths of sandniggers that storm into Europe.
There's too many people and the modes of communication and transportation are too fast for us to allow this sort of freedom. Especially with vastly unequal parts of the world.
>>8097254
This just sounds like the bar has been raised from "being able to support yourself" to "being ridiculously rich" to me.
>>8097025
Neo-liberalism.
The right serves economical liberalism while the left serves cultural liberalism.
They're the two sides of the same coin,
>>8097139
>I'd watch Sargon
>>8097273
What's wrong with that? He's funny.
>>8097259
Sadly enough, we need rich people more than we require low-skilled sandniggers who are now getting state funded education on how not to consider scantily clad women during the summer months as women who as potential rape victims.
My dad's a chief of police in a small European city organizing this type of bullshit for the enriching hordes.
But sure, open up those oppressive borders because "we're all human".
Inb4 "deh cops r raycis"
>>8097254
>Look at the swaths of sandniggers that storm into Europe.
>There's too many people and the modes of communication and transportation are too fast for us to allow this sort of freedom. Especially with vastly unequal parts of the world.
This is literally the result of "modernism" and unequal development. You created the problem and its not going away. Europe needs the resources of those countries and cheap labour so they had to make living conditions shit making people want to flee from the shit modernism created. There was no mass migration for thousands of years not because people couldn't cross into Europe on rafts but because life was comfortable and people had liveable communities they didn't want to leave.
Some form of coordinated international development bank like Keynes proposed after WWII to develop the 3rd world is necessary but fat fucks in Europe and America will never give interest free loans to the third world so the situation will just get worse instead of better.
>>8097203
>One Dimensional Man is great
>>8097282
We should just glass the Middle East, frankly.
Yes, all of it; and purge its emigrants from our societies.
hi fellow redpilled gentlemen itt :) what infographics shaped your worldview the most?
>>8097282
I fully agree with all of that.
But we cannot go back. Unless a disaster awaits us and the human species is thinned out and goes back to using candles and horses.
Capitalism will not fall because of a chimpout. That people past young adulthood still believe this is beyond me.
>>8097299
Isn't there some Nick Land thread where you need to go shout "meme meme meme!" because he's not a Marxist, but kind of a Deleuzian, so you don't wanna be too harsh on him?
>>8097301
>Unless a disaster awaits us
Well it's not like global warming is going to be taken care of.
>>8097282
Of course, the middle east was paradisaical before evil western capitalist fatcats ruined it.
>>8097301
To understand how Capitalism ends, read Schumpeter not Marx. From Wikipedia:
Schumpeter's most popular book in English is probably Capitalism, Socialism and Democracy. While he agrees with Karl Marx that capitalism will collapse and be replaced by socialism, Schumpeter predicts a different way this will come about. While Marx predicted that capitalism would be overthrown by a violent proletarian revolution, which actually occurred in the least capitalist countries, Schumpeter believed that capitalism would gradually weaken by itself and eventually collapse. Specifically, the success of capitalism would lead to corporatism and to values hostile to capitalism, especially among intellectuals. "Intellectuals" are a social class in a position to critique societal matters for which they are not directly responsible and to stand up for the interests of other classes. Intellectuals tend to have a negative outlook of capitalism, even while relying on it for prestige, because their professions rely on antagonism toward it. The growing number of people with higher education is a great advantage of capitalism, according to Schumpeter. Yet, unemployment and a lack of fulfilling work will cause intellectual critique, discontent and protests. Parliaments will increasingly elect social democratic parties, and democratic majorities will vote for restrictions on entrepreneurship. Increasing workers' self-management, industrial democracy and regulatory institutions would evolve non-politically into "liberal capitalism". Thus, the intellectual and social climate needed for thriving entrepreneurship will be replaced by some form of "laborism". This will restrict "creative destruction" (a borrowed phrase to denote an endogenous replacement of old ways of doing things by new ways) and so will burden and destroy the capitalist structure.
>>8097309
I feel like it won't be as destructive.
The sea should be at my doorstep by now if I had to believe all those alarmists.
>>8097323
>I feel
Well then.
>>8097323
Link to an actual scientist who predicted the sea would be "at your doorstep by now"?
>>8097281
You don't need rich people. Literally everything you want/desire is the creations of semi-slaves in third world countries. The rich don't give you anything, all you want comes from semi-slaves. The more you want the more slaves you need. The more you buy the more labour you need. Europe is just now starting to realize they created a shit world filled with billions of slaves they can't control anymore.
>>8097301
>>8097296
Then you will have to turn Europe and America into gigantic slave societies like communist China today if you don't want to completely change the economic system.
Instead of paying out dividends or debt payments you could wipe all debt and payment obligations off the books, implement basic income, raise minimum wage to $20 an hour, and direct all funds towards investing in technology that exists today to fully automate the production process.
>>8097296
Calm down karl ove
>>8097339
>you could wipe all debt and payment obligations off the books, implement basic income, raise minimum wage to $20 an hour, and direct all funds towards investing in technology that exists today to fully automate the production process.
You fucking retard.
Go back to /r/feelthebern.
Pic very related.
>>8097339
>slave societies like communist China
Holy shit, you have no clue.
I'd rather be living in Shanghai now than I would in any coastalfag state.
>>8097339
You have to be 18 to post here, come back in 5 years.
>>8097339
>Then you will have to turn Europe and America into gigantic slave societies like communist China today if you don't want to completely change the economic system.
I thought that was the general plan already?
>>8097341
Go back to the r/the_donald - you drooling moron.
>>8097344
Ironically, that was the most insightful post in the thread.
>>8097355
Pic related.
>>8097357
Want to know what's more ironic? Samefagging.
>>8097339
>ur all slaves 2 deh corporations mayynnn
Listen here, dumbass.
Entrepeneurs aren't these evil peoople who hoard these poor skilled workers and vampyrically use them for their own enrichment.
You have no clue about what entrepeneurship entails, which is not only about assembling a team, but also about working towards a goal and making sure everyone does so.
You're not gonna get that from your dumbass communes who at best can grow a bunch of shitty carrots or lead themselves to starvation like Venezuela.
>>8097361
Your 'samefag' detector is broken, dumbass. Just like the rest of your brain.
>>8097198
He defined tradition as something which it isn't and then proceeded to call himself one, yes.
Eternal values of traditionalists are platonic and aristotelian, not some random mystical nonsense.
>>8097364
^ Oh look - a "stay at home" venture capitalist chimes in!
>>8097370
>platonism
>not random mystical nonsense
anon pls
bros u have to understand these new leftist kiddies don't have any intellectual leaders or scholarly tradition to back them up at all
they actively reject actual academia (see: yank university protests) and think university should just be ideology factories (read: cultural revolution)
most of their """""theories""""" are based on pretty much nothing but egalitarian feeling
everyone wants to think there's some grand conspiracy but these kids are really just pissing into the wind
>>8097371
Yet you require the money I, this evil dumb person, made for shit you couldn't get yourself?
>>8097341
Where I live the government are paying more out to foreign bondholders than investing in education or infrastructure, population growth is bellow replacement level, boomers think their property value will keep going up, and no one sees anything weird about any of this and it's probably similar in most other first world countries... a massive disaster is inevitable at this rate unless something dramatic changes.
We have entered into what Marx would call the decadent stage of capitalism. The market value of fixed capital progressively begins to overbalance the market value of circulating capital resulting in the rate of profit decreasing in regards to the rate of social reproduction. The debt-mechanism pushes virtually all the non-banking institutions of our society to the verge of bankruptcy and boosts the rate of profit over the rate of social reproduction. The discrepancy between value-demand and value-supply reflects none other than the margin of fictitious value in the whole economy, and shows up as accelerating indebtedness and inflation. Unless a revolution in productive relations occurs we will return to barbarism.
>>8097375
Nice dodge, mumblefuck. Link to an actual scientist who predicted the sea would be "at your doorstep by now"?
>>8097309
global warming will be taking care of something
>>8097381
>Unless a revolution in productive relations occurs we will return to barbarism.
Now you're gettin' it, kid.
That's what I want.
>>8097380
Newsflash, moron: Workers "make shit". Not rentier-capitalist leeches. Too bad you are neither.
>>8097374
>they actively reject actual academia
Yet it always turns out that they're postgrads working on a doctorate under a professor who has been spreading this for 20 years already and has done a shitload of scientific works and whatnot.
>>8097394
Gibberish written by an utter moron.
>>8097364
>aren't these evil peoople who hoard these poor skilled workers and vampyrically use them for their own enrichment
Of course not. Asian factory workers are treated excellently, which is why their governments feel no need to combat labour unions.
>>8097402
Solid argument.
Now back to your Tumblr blog.
>>8097406
We're talking the West, mind you.
If you're gonna cherrypick cases where entrepeneurs are "bad people", I got a number of bad people to list about your teamwork utopia's too.
>>8097418
In my country, they sold some factories to the Koreans, and they make people wear diapers so that they don't miss out on productivity.
>>8097424
Why is that?
>>8097425
That's because Asians are non-emotive drones and expect everyone to be the same.
>>8097418
>We're talking the West, mind you.
>literally everything you want/desire is the creations of semi-slaves in third world countries.
The person you were responding to wasn't. And western 'entrepreneurs', as right-wing political correctness insist we must call them, use Asian workers so it would still be on topic.
>your teamwork utopia's
I haven't said anything about any "teamwork utopia".
>>8097424
I understood what he was saying.
He basically said entrepeneurs are what makes the ship go forward. A big crew without a captain wouldn't have much aim.
Maybe you should work on your reading comprehension.
The first "SJW bullshitter" is Antonio Gramsci. Marcuse has nothing to do with it.
>>8097429
Check out a rough google translation, can't be bothered to translate by hand:
>Workers were beaten with metal rods, a worker sexually harassed. The workers were banned from going to the toilet and were told to wear diapers. When someone gets sick on the job, ambulance called for in the factory, and if workers are not taken to the hospital is obliged to return to work after receiving medical treatment
If they try to unionize, they get fired immediately. And this is a direct result of the EU-mandated work laws where they pretty much erased any kind of protection for workers whatsoever.
>>8097429
Special snowflake individualist detected.
Conform or die.
>>8097443
Korea is a fascinating society.
I've been there and the Brave New World-tier levels of organization and striving for perfection are beyond anything I can imagine in the West.
Everyone is (on the path to becoming) perfect. I've never seen anything like it. Not even Japan has this.
It really made me wonder if Huxley's predictions were more applicable to how Asia would develop than the West.
>>8097454
According to various things I've read, this Asian breed of capitalism is what is getting exported back to the west now that they have perfected it.
>>8097454
Who wouldn't want this?
Only thing that annoys me about Koreans is that they're serial copycats of everything Japanese.
>>8097461
Which will never be exported as a full copy.
We will have some resistance to it. It's already visible.
I can't imagine a Bernie Yoon Hyeon Yung Soon having any shot at power in Seoul.
But there are clear benefits to Asian capitalism.
The tendency seems to be small city states ( or smaller polities than the nation state, at least ) with policy moreso than tiresome politics, no 'political correctness', free trade, hypermodern, high tech, cosmopolitan, high IQ.
It only appears "technocratic" because democracy produces such incompetent management of the state that anything vaguely competent looks "technocratic.
>>8097480
It appears technocratic because there is no culture and no god.
>>8097484
>implying culture is important when compared to objectively measurable progress and better life standards
>>8097484
>objectively measurable progress and better life standards
>>Workers were beaten with metal rods, a worker sexually harassed. The workers were banned from going to the toilet and were told to wear diapers. When someone gets sick on the job, ambulance called for in the factory, and if workers are not taken to the hospital is obliged to return to work after receiving medical treatment
>>8097484
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=25Jpdfip8-4
Korea is the most Christian country in East Asia...
>>8097495
That wasn't in Korea but in companies owned by Korea in another country.
I'm sure Westerners weren't ethical during their development with niggers either.
>>8097521
So? Than it isn't a nation without a god.
>>8097529
What?
>>8097535
Don't mind Billy-Bob.
He'd rather live in a godly shithole than a godless utopia.
>>8097487
wow
>better life standards
>objective progress
go back to /sci/, you mong
>>8097553
Says the limpwristed pantywaist who prefers "muh feels" over reality.
>>8097553
>rising hdi, gdp per capita, basic education and life expectancy
>lower gini (income gap) and child mortality
how's that not progress?
>inb4 some undergradute-tier level rambling about the evil corporashuns and the greedy monopoly man coupled with another /sci/ ad hominem
>>8097461
>this Asian breed of capitalism is what is getting exported back to the west
lmao I wish
hypercapitalist high IQ city states is the GOAT society
>>8097571
Legit question: are you clinically autistic?
>>8097575
Refute his claim.
I for one would love a hypercapitalist high IQ city state (or society in general); ideally one with a huge focus on the aesthetic, both physical and architectural.
>>8097535
You absolute fucking idiot.
You called it a nation without a god.
I showed you it's becoming increasingly Christianized.
>that's a bad thing tho
We weren't talking about that, we were talking about it being 'godless', which it isn't... Holy shit.
>>8097583
>You called it a nation without a god.
I did not.
>You absolute fucking idiot.
Are you speaking of yourself in the second person?
>>8097571
>nick land
*tips autism*
>>8097581
Leftists can't.
They rather resort to namecalling.
>>8097581
Are you clinically autistic and homosexual?
>>8097590
>It appears technocratic because there is no culture and no god.
>>8097602
>anon says stupid shit and is promptly refuted
>"oh no that's not me!"
everytime
>>8097610
Convincing.
Why do you even think that was me?
>>8097620
it's you. even if it wasn't you, you'd still be a low-iq retard for replying to a post that's not meant to you without announcing that you aren't the one being quoted. now leave
>>8097332
if free will is real then i can freely will myself to believe in free will. done.
>>8097065
>Foucault
>supporting neoliberalism
Pick one, faggot.
>>8097630
Are you drunk?
>>8097629
>it's you
It's not.
>you'd still be a low-iq retard for replying to a post that's not meant to you without announcing that you aren't the one being quoted
Of course, any reputable psychologists would agree with this. But why aren't you a retard for thinking I was that anon?
>now leave
Shan't.
>>8097664
it would be way easier if you just admitted you were wrong and stopped trying to pass as some other anon. this exchange is tiring
>>8097691
>admitted you were wrong
About what?
>this exchange is tiring
You started it.
>>8096930
This is literally the first time I've heard someone call Marcuse reasonable. O I am lauffin. Did you even read him?
>>8097021
>The cancer starts with Hegel and runs through all of what is called "continental philosophy". Once you open the door to irrational nonsense, anything goes.
That's fine if that's the angle you want to take, but the traditionalists, alt-right, fascists reactionaries, etc. who complain about cultural marxism are usually opposed to rationalism and materialism too.
>>8097045
I saw you getting butthurt in /his/ yesterday. Nick Land is a meme, end of story. He's not even conservative.
>>8098046
don't think anyone has ever put him forward as a conservative
>>8097107
please do tell what are "pagan values"
>>8098017
rationalism and materialism never invade Russia.
>>8097209
>Strawmans half of the political spectrum
>complains about getting strawmanned
go back to redd!t
>>8097220
>I mean what's the point of 'tradition' if I cannot stick it to the niggers. I don't care about eternity or values. I just don't wanna see blacks do any better than any one member of my race is all (or for them to be able to fuck our women).
kek, never change /pol/
Eros and Civilization is literally about dropping any boundaries about sex, ala the society that Engels talks about as primitive communism.
If that is not degenerate and permissive, I don't know that is.
>>8098366
>degenerate
mediocre meme
>>8098017
Fair enough. I don't really pay attention to that brand of crazy person, so I'll take your word for it.
>>8096930
> SJWs
> not being cultural Marxists
Top Kek anon
>>8097343
>I'd rather be living in Shanghai
no you really wouldn't.
>>8097364
You don't need evil people, you just need average people with average desires.
>>8098046
Nick Land is not a meme.
At least a good portion of his work
And neither are a lot of reactionary writers
This thread proves it
>>8097224
>Marco Polo travelled the world without communist or capitalist border guards detaining him even once!
it was an exceptional situation, where the entire route they followed was more or less "pacified" by a common ethnic group that came to control the entirety of asia
and its not like they didnt had problems with several local ruling powers
>>8097282
>There was no mass migration for thousands of years
>>8097829
I read the text in the OP, looks ok to me. Maybe it's the only good thing he wrote?
>>8097021
>The cancer starts with Hegel
The cancer actually starts with Kant but Hegel is shit as well
>>8099542
What's wrong with Kant?
>>8099112
odyssey travelled wherever he wanted and nobody even once asked him about a visa, permission to enter the port or a customs declaration
>>8099565
Reformulated weak Christian worldview, ethics, and muh egalitarianism into secular terms.
I would elaborate on why I think Christianity is an inherently submissive and destructive Jewish mind meme that is partially responsible for the downfall of Western civ just as it was for Rome, but that's another discussion.
This Kantian secular Christianity - liberty, fraternity, equality, democracy, the golden rule, the progressive-atheistic version of the imago dei, virtue signaling, Puritanistic moralizing culminating in cannibalistic holiness spirals (commonly referred to as SJWism), etc. - is the current dominant religion of the West, and it is facilitated and catalyzed by capitalism.
I don't exactly hate capitalism, but I fail to see a future in which these forces don't eventually coalesce into a hypercapitalistic vampiric and plastic wasteland in which you have to watch an ad before taking a shit in your own home. Capitalism and democracy both have the insidious quality of being an evolutionary arms race to the lowest common denominator, and seeing as how Marxism / socialism is an inherently parasitic ideology, I lack the imagination to think of any kind of positive ending to all this.
>>8099651
Oh you're one of those. I think you'll get him when you grow up. How much are you donating to TJ's Patreon btw?
>>8099654
I don't know who TJ is. Nice meme response though, I was expecting you to accuse me of being an Islamofag or something
>>8099659
Living memes get meme responses.
>>8099664
Sounds like you're just getting angsty about Kant being the spookiest meme in the history of philosophy
>>8099675
>le spooky spook meme
>>8099705
Living memes get meme responses.
>>8099651
>I lack the imagination to think of any kind of positive ending to all this
About the end to all this, two names:
Spengler and Schumpeter
>>8099715
>le nazi memes
>>8096930
Hi I am Social Justice Warrior please tell me who this is
>>8099741
It is your father.
>>8097012
>I have never heard a liberal or an SJW mention any of the Frankfurt schoolers
because they don't even know who these people are.
as you and others have already said, these are two things you never see together in real life even while on the internet people claim that they're tied somehow
in college, anyone i knew who was even vaguely sjw had nothing to do with that or even philosophy in general
hell, the criticisms and observations of society these people spout online as a supposed effect of the frankfurt school are the very same things those guys wrote about. it's hilarious
>>8097339
>people conflating you with bernie
i shouldn't be surprised
>>8097343
in your direction*
China is already a world power. It's pretty much colonized Africa already. But the fact is it has a corrupt political system, a disgusting backwards pseudo-Western culture, a brutal legal system and no aesthetic standards at all. It's one giant Kowloon Walled City. Observing China from space is like watching flies reproduce on a piece of dog feces. I'm sure it's fun walking around Guangzhou in your leather trenchcoat, black sports shades and pinstriped fedora while the hunchbacked peasants clack and hurry around your slow-moving gait, but in reality the only reason you enjoy it is because you enjoy a sense of superiority there that you know you will never experience anywhere else as a result of your autism and lack of social grace. Who cares if it's going to be a "major international player"? All that means is that a bunch of figures will change on official government documents. Regardless of muh GDP or muh exports you will still be living as the only semi self-aware human being in a sea of callous clones. But, hey. Who am I to judge right? I mean I'm sure you enjoy taking financially desperate girls who were lucky not to be aborted (forcefull or otherwise) back to your cube-like apartment where you can eat your gutter oil-based food and watch a Chinese imitation of Rush Hour 2 with a Uyghur playing Chris Rock's character. I'm sure it's great wheezing through the smog each morning to teach a bunch of kids who look like anime burn victims how to say "good afternoon!" and "my parents wanted a son!". I wouldn't be at all surprised if your face bears a wide and expressive smile as you stand at your window at night and watch the diesel-guzzling trucks spewing black smoke as they and other vehicles traverse a street lined with the bodies of deceased children. I mean why wouldn't you enjoy the prospect of dressing in your favorite imitation Armani tshirts sewed by some eight year old in Shenzhen and then stepping into an elevator knowing that today may very well be the day it plummets all fifty stories of your poorly engineered apartment building or traps you inside its doors, leaving you to starve as a nation of consumers squat near their bulky televisions and eat rice with chopsticks while watching a reality TV show in which your death inside the aforementioned elevator provides the entertainment. Well good luck buddy, to you and your Samsung wife and your pudgy, asthmatic son who you really didn't expect to look like that.
>>8100442
The same can be said of all countries anon. It's all gone.
>>8100462
lewronggeneration
>>8099738
no, obviously they werent optimistic at all.
I was just pointing to two books that offer a very clear idea of what may (probably) will be the future. The two combined offer a very compelling historical narrative
>>8099728
How is Schumpeter a nazi meme? Are you high or just a narrow-minded fool?
Spengler I can understand the namecalling, even though he became opposed to Hitler and Nazism, unlike a certain beloved and popular philosopher ahem*Heidegger*ahem
>>8100254
On the other hand, the fact that people don't recognize their ideological predecessors don't mean that they weren't influenced by them. There are probably a lot of ethical vegetarians and vegans out there who don't know who Peter Singer is but were indirectly influenced by his ideas, for example.
None of this implies that the Frankfurt school has anything to do with SJWism, of course. I don't know much about them to begin with, but the fact that the only people I ever hear talking about them are /pol/ conspiratards suggests to me that their influence is far less on SJWs than feminist and post-colonial theorists that are actually talked about in intellectual circles.
