Cyberpunk edition
What's your favorite Cyberpunk book/story? Is anyone still writing it? Why has every other subgenre tacked "punk" on the end of its name?
Previously: boards.4chan.org/lit/thread/8086364/sffg-scifi-and-fantasy-general
>>8092089
I swear to God, if anyone says Snow Crash...
>>8092094
WHY YOU DON'T LIKE THE 'ZA?
Can anyone remind me of that one novel that was about a murder mystery in the singularity age? Altered Carbon?
>>8092094
But it is. I really unironically enjoyed Snow Crash when I was unironically 16, which is the proper age to enjoy a literature based on the paranoia that Reagan, Thatcher, and Sony were going to turn the world into a slum. Snow Crash is an absolutely perfect example of cyberpunk: the permanight that justifies black leather all the time, the grey morality that allows characters to unleash mayhem without guilt, and the extrapolation of late 20th-century themes ad absurdum. Snow Crash wasn't too dumb to really be cyberpunk; the other works were too smart.
>>8092122
Down and Out in the Magic Kingdom was like that.
>>8092128
I'll have to check that out (future Disney/theme parks are my favorite) though I'm thinking it was a little older.
Has anyone read Accelerando? I got it for $1 at a used book store.
Am I retarded for not really understanding this book? I mean I enjoyed it but all the metaphysical shit about dying and life and names kind of flew over my head
>>8092094
I've read Neuromancer and Snow Crash, both were complete garbage.
Anything that combines science fiction and horror in an interesting way? I've burnt myself out on religious/mythology horror like demonic possession, witches, and too many shitty ghost stories to count.
>>8092386
There's always Lovecraft
>>8092386
GRRM does this in a lot of his short stories.
>>8092392
I've went through most/all of Lovecraft's stuff, even the Reanimator shorts which really wasn't as bad as people make it out to be.
But I'd definitely be down for more Lovecraftian work, I just never paid attention to who continued the mythos.
>>8092401
>That ending.
Shit man that really was good, thanks for the suggestion.
I just finished the Night Angel trilogy
What do I read now?
![latest[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/MxpPBeI.jpg "latest[1].jpg")
Should I read Stormlight Archive or the second Mistborn trilogy first or does it not matter?
>>8092598
Eschew both and read Lud-In-The-Mist.
>>8092598
Two separate planets, doesn't really matter. Although the whole universe is supposed to come together in some book that will come out in like 2030.
>>8092603
How can you type with those tiny ass T-Rex arms, dinosaur-san?
>>8092598
Read Stormlight then Mistborn 1 then 2
Beware of the feminist bullshit in all of those books
>>8092616
I already read the first Mistborn trio
I'm not sure having female characters is "feminist bullshit"
>>8092621
It's not about having female characters it's that the female characters are all feminist bullshti ideology filled bullshit I don't know why the author is trying to brainwash everyone with the ideology agenda feminism but he is
But I suggest Stormlight Archives before reading the 2nd mistborn era
>>8092623
Sanderson is a gay hating Mormon, not exactly a feminist.
>>8092623
The first books have nothing of the sort. No "gurl power" bullshit, no evil strawmen being sexist to her, no incompetent male characters, lots of generic hetero romance.
>>8092628
The second era definitely has poisoning I did finish the first book but never progressed further than that, I could just feel my brain telling me I'm being poisoned and brainwashed by agenda ideology I think it's feminism
>>8092636
You're being "poisoned" by the idea that men and women are equal?
>>8092639
No I'm being poisoned and brainwashed by an ideology agenda it's fucking clear as day how are you blind to it or are you too far gone already
>>8092640
It's inevitable for a writer to incorporate his ideas and beliefs into his work. If you were reading John C Wright you would still be poisoned and brainwashed, to put it in your terms, just by /pol/ ideology and agenda instead of sjw.
You're safe from both and can enjoy both authors as long as you think with your head.
>>8092636
Sanderson doesn't rite his female characters for some feminist agenda, it's just he only knows how to write one very shallow female character who just happens to dovetail with a lot of feminist horseshit.
>>8092651
The entire world of Mistborn is a metaphor about Germany just like Elantris is a metaphor about Israel
It's fucking clear as day he points it out almost every chapter in some ways some clearer than others
>>8092662
You could easily solve this problem by not reading Sanderson in the first place and reading some good sff like Peake or Wolfe instead.
>>8092678
I don't think good means boring anon.
>>8092683
It's only boring to you because you're probably an ADHD riddled millennial incapable of processing a novel that doesn't have anime swordfights and ebin explosions.
>>8092686
I couldn't make it through one of Peake's books even with ADHD medications, they are boring as fuck
>>8092699
You'll see things differently after you grow ball hair.
>>8092686
If anyone can read Swelter's introduction in Titus Groan and not think its great then they are pure unadulterated pleb. Its not even a debate.
>GRRM doesn't capitalize God even when he's referring to the Abrahamic one.
>>8092743
But god isn't a name, it's a noun
>>8092744
>what are proper nouns
>>8092751
Don't you mean
>What are proper Nouns
>>8092743
If you want to be autistic about it then technically it should be G-D or YHWH.
>>8092768
>G-D
>>8092401
>ending
Pretty spooky desu
>>8092358
SC I can maybe understand, but why didn't you like Neuromancer? What's better in the cyberpunk genre, to you?
>>8092089
>What's your favorite Cyberpunk book/story?
Probably Snow Crash. It was just amazing, an amazing experience
>>8092781
Prose was often complete nonsense.
Plot is generic 80s action movie.
Characters are bland.
The cyberpunk aesthetic is done better in Ghost in the Shell and Deus Ex making this ran over by time.
Everything in cyberpunk in novels isn't something I'd write home about.
>>8092768
Giving special grammatical status to a Levantine storm god is retarded as fuck, son.
>>8092793
Kinda the point.
>>8092793
>Waaah I don't like how english works bwaaaaa
No self-respecting writer should refer to the Abrahamic God as "god" without a capital G. IIRC most mainstream dictionaries spell the word with a G.
>>8092616
What? All characters are people of their world. You don't expect women on Roshar with all its brutality and stone and storms and giant flipping crabs to be like women on earth and adhere to feminism bullshit ideology, or Vin in Scadrial with all its depressive society and atmosphere and with all her mistborn powers to be some shitty woman just because autists like you don't like feminism.
I honestly like Stormlight Archive. It's my favorite ongoing fantasy series and all female characters are believable and genuinely motivated. I don't know why would you say stupid stuff like that, anon. Go check yourself.
Why does fantasy specifically seem to attract so many SJ- err... neoprogressive types?
It's all got to be about non-european culture or female protagonists or anything that caters to an agenda nowadays. Are they as prevalent in, let's say, Sci-Fi and I simply fail to notice them because I don't get as involved in the genre as I do with fantasy? Does fantasy really have something that attracts this kind of people? Is it just an uncanny coincidence?
>>8092860
Fantasy and Sci-Fi has been pretty much nothing but "white men going on adventures" since forever and a day, call it a balancing act.And you should seriously stop worrying about this stupid shit
>>8092802
Christcuck detected.
>>8092860
>Why does fantasy try to be imaginative?
>>8092871
>And you should seriously stop worrying about this stupid shit
You might tink I'm/pol/, but I fuckinglovenon-European, non-Japanesefantasyas long as the book is focusing more on exploring a refreshing new setting than articulating political platitudestho.
>>8092881
I dont care what you are, just read better books.
The people who keep complaining about """SJW"""" shit are really just going out of their way to look for it, especially in a range such as wide as fantasy novels.
>>8092884
>The people who keep complaining about """SJW"""" shit are really just going out of their way to look for it
I think I just drew a dumb conclusion from a shit sample size (some article about feminism in fantasy on a Gawker-owned website, two unironic cucks and the occasional cuck on /tg/) like the autist I am desu
>>8092884
Not really, see Fifth Season who won that hugo thing. It's apparent in all the new 'big' things
I hate seeing fantasy books described as having "East Asian" or "Egyptian" or "Aztec" settings when it goes no deeper than the names and maybe the clothing. Especially when fake China or Egypt get praised for diversity.
>>8092890
>two unironic cucks and the occasional pretend-cuck on /tg/How do I make myself proofread before posting
is the Broken empire series any good? (prince of thorns, king of thrones etc)
The world sounds like it could have alot of potential but i had a peek through the book and it seems like it tries pretty hard to be edgy. Lots of people seem to love it though...
>>8092941
No it isn't. It's "popular" because it's the average edgy wish fulfillment stuff with no real substance that appeals to masses.
>>8092958
The Blade Itself
>>8092958
Night Angel Trilogy
>>8092967
Gay - Check
Rape - Check
Incest - Check
Cuckolding - Check
>>8092981
Garbage - Check
>>>/tg/47486966
Is he right lads
>>8093044
>>8093050
>>8093052
3 fucking tries. Jesus dude
>>8093055
I rarely crosspost because I don't tend to frequent multiple boards, of course my first attempt at it will be shit.
>>8091979
>The prophecy tells that one day some hack will write an incestuous gay rape, uniting the three elements
In Red Rising series a brother used to rape his little bro, turned him into a sexual fiend.
>>8092089
WHERE ARE THE FUCKING RECOMMENDATION CHARTS
WE PUT THOSE IN THE OP FOR A REASON YOU FAME HUNGERING CUNT
>>8093071
>WHERE ARE THE FUCKING RECOMMENDATION CHARTS
just read sanderson bro
>>8093066
That's hot but it won't get me to read that meme trash
>>8093071
copy and pastad from the last, someone put them into the next one again:
>Fantasy
Selected: http://i.imgur.com/3v2oXAY.jpg/
General: http://i.imgur.com/igBYngL.jpg/
Flowchart: http://i.imgur.com/uykqKJn.jpg/
>Sci-Fi
Selected: http://i.imgur.com/A96mTQX.jpg/
General: http://i.imgur.com/r55ODlL.jpg/ / http://i.imgur.com/gNTrDmc.jpg/
>>8092185
Did you read the previous 4 books?
>Get Blood Mirror book
>Finish it
>No idea about the series
>Didn't realize it was the 4th book in the series until I finished it
Welp, guess I'll have to read it again after reading the first 3, what a waste of time and spoilers probably
>>8092566
Lightbringer, no brakes on the Brent Weeks train. You should be done in time to get book 4.
If you finish the 3 Lightbringer books and book 4 isn't out, get Warbreaker.
>>8093091
It's a bad series anyways don't bother.
>>8093094
Read all of them already
>>8093098
No you didn't, you listened to them you cuck.
>>8093101
>you listened to them you cuckOnly the Warbreaker one ;_;
Just read the thread. It seems that the Dinosaur Squad is out in full force tonight.
>>8093115
>not the first post from this IP
Nice try, urban trash.
>>8093115
>Dinosaur Squad
All you did was make us sound badass.
>>8092981
>>8092967
>be me
>be a little girl
>muh favourite character is Shadow the Hedgehog because I once saw him trying to kill another character
>muh favourite game is Shadow the hedgehog where I get to pick up guns, shoot people and turn to the dark side
>own a pikachu plushie
>muh imaginary world has pikachus who eat humans ruled by my pikachu plushie
>like to draw fantasy creatures
>only draw my made up original fantasy creatures which include unicorn horn on a bipedial griffin with a shitload of talons wielding a laser sword that can cut through flesh: a walking talking dictatorial killing force to back up my maneating dictatorial pikachus
>like BIONICLE
>muh favourite bionicle series is the one with maneating vines, BETRAYAL, mutations, anger and genocide
>read vanilla fantasy like Old Kingdom and LOTR
>enjoy imagining I kill people
>kill people in dreams. They end up killing me in revenge
>one day see a new book series
>It's the Night Angel Trilogy
>It's about assassins, murder, genocide, violence, homosexuality, KAGE MEANS SHADOW and MUH INVINCIBLE ALL POWERFUL MARBLE
>beg parents to buy it
>thisismytrueform.jpeg
Once edgy, always edgy but I can at least look back now and realise that some of it was explicitly included to pander to edgelords like me.
Any ok fantasy with a little girl as MC?
>>8093130
r u really a grill
>>8093083
Yea... fat load of god that will do us now.
Is Tigana by Guy Gavriel Kay good?
>>8093119
>replied to a post at the top
>settles down to read entire thread
>post my findings
>anon points out the obvious
>>8093172
It is, but it's not his best.
>>8093130
Would you do me the honor of murdering my virginity with your killer pussy?
>>8093172
Read Lions of Al Rassan instead
>>8093091
Wait what, are there MULTIPLE arc anons here?
What the fuck
>>8092871
Nice narrative, retard, too bad it isn't true.
>>8092651
JCW hates /pol/, he's a bog-standard cuckservative though. The majority of writers Vox Day publishes don't agree with him on politics.
>>8093235
Wait, how can you be a conservative AND hate /pol? As far as I know JCW hates gays, women, is a Christian and all that shit. Sounds pretty /pol/ to me.
Also I doubt Vox Day even has politics, he's doing it all for the lulz and because he's buttmad he will never win a Hugo. I bet he doesn't really mean half of the shit he says.
>Rabid Puppies put a blog series about child abuse by SF authors on the Hugo ballot
>It isn't included in the voter packet because it "quotes extensively from a written work containing explicit descriptions of children engaged in sexual activities">That written work is Hogg by Samuel Delaney
>>8093249
You don't seem to know a lot about politics outside of your bubble, anon, or about how the word "hate" is used by normal people.
>>8093249
/pol/ is against typical neocons just as much as limpwristed leftist fags.
Just finished Asimov's Foundation.
Is the Mule Hitler?
Did anyone else find the third book a bit disapointing? The 2nd Foundation stuff all seemed wooley
Also were the 2nd F guys like phscyic? Mentalists? you get what I mean
Liked it more than Dune though, it that an acceptable comparsion? They both do the "retro space-opera" pretty well.
>>8093273
>Why? They share a lot of beliefs, don't they?
Not really. It's an interesting time for American politics. /pol/ and other groups like it is more Libertarian leaning compared to the heavily Authoritarian Neocons and Liberals. 30 years ago /pol/ would have been considered Center left. The entire political spectrum has shifted heavily leftward in the last decade which has caused a lot of strange bedfellows. Think less of Left-Right and more Up-Down. Libertarian vs Authoritarian.
>>8093290
I don't think Americans even understand what the Left really is.
I think Cold War paranoia eradicated in the bud whatever could have grown to become "the Left" so all that remains is a two party system that to the outsider (at least, to me here in Europe) looks like "right wing" versus "slightly less right wing that we for some odd reason call left"
I mean, I don't see any Democrats advocating the abolition of private property or the dictatorship of the proletariat. It's all right wing as far as the eye can see.
>>8093313
America has plenty of Leftism. Being an insane Communist isn't a prerequisite for that.
>>8093313
>I mean, I don't see any Democrats advocating the abolition of private property or the dictatorship of the proletariat. It's all right wing as far as the eye can see.
>You're advocating for communism or you are right-wing
Sometimes I'm glad I'm a R*manian gypsy and not one of you sad westerner faggots.
>>8093273
>Why? They share a lot of beliefs, don't they?
They also disagree on a lot of things you fucking faggot. /pol/ hates the guts of regular conservatives the same way /leftypol/ hates idpol cretins.
>>8093249
>As far as I know JCW hates gays, women
You sound like one of those people that says Trump is misogynistic because he made fun of a woman by saying she was on her period.
>>8093273
Oh, sorry, I assumed bad faith.
>>8093290 isn't IMO totally correct. /pol/ used to be libertarians but are more authoritarian right nowadays. There's a big difference between the right of /pol/ and the right of George W. Bush-style neocons, mainly in how they want to handle immigration and foreign intervention. Neocons assume democracy is best for everyone and work to make sure everyone has it; alt-righters don't agree that democracy is good for anyone and work to make sure everyone minds their own business.
John C. Wright isn't either, he's a constitutional conservative mostly. He's not a libertarian as such but believes we should move towards libertarianism, but he also believes that government should promote public morality, mostly in the sense of letting city governments put up Nativities if they want to. Actually he just put up a blog post defining his principles http://www.scifiwright.com/2016/05/whats-in-a-name/
And he doesn't hate gays, he just believes gay sex is a sin and they'd be better off celibate, and he doesn't hate women, in fact he loves them a little too much, he just believes in traditional gender roles and hates the kung-fu princess stereotype.
>tfw I know nothing about politics and never really dug into the topic
I don't know what left, right, liberal or conservative is and I don't know what most politicians stand for either. Should I? These debates where everyone gets butthurt make me think I'm better off not knowing.
>>8093351
You should, you're the one who's going to have to live with the consequences regardless of whether you understood the politicking behind them or not. It's never bad to be informed.
>>8093351
It's also funny because here in Europe "liberals" means the moderate center-right whereas in America it seems to mean full blown hippies.
>>8093341
>"Leftism" seems to me to be just /pol/speak for "things I don't like".
Leftism is a word encompassing most of what has to do with left-wing politics in one way or another.
Damn, sucking that arab cock kill brain cells, doesn't it?
>>8093351
Left want everyone to have shit
Right want few to have shit
Then
Authoritarian want control
Liberals want more freedom
This is the basics, there YouTube videos explaining it I'm sure
>>8093357
I know what it means, but the way it's used here on 4chan is different, kind of like "cuck".
Brain cells would also be required to understand that Europe being an arab-dominated Hokuto no Ken wasteland is a meme.
>>8093364
>Left want everyone to have shit
>Right want few to have shit
>Authoritarian want control
>Liberals want more freedom
>>8093364
I'm guessing right/auth. are people who are CEO and make big money and stuff and don't want to pay high taxes, am I getting this right?
Though is it even possible for left to lose, considering that's most people?
Also which is the NEET friendly side, left?
>>8093376
>>8093364
>Political discussions on /lit/ are barely above high school level
I was told people here were more intelligent than the average internet user.
>>8093376
That's a good enough understanding. And well the problem is most people are stupid as shit so they can't run stuff well. Lenin put workers in control of factories in the Russian revolution and the industrial output plummeted. But power corrupts so people in charge usually look out for themselves.
>>8093378
You realise hardly any government is actually left wing, it's mainly propaganda
>>8093376
>Though is it even possible for left to lose, considering that's most people?
They lose most of the time because while ideal in theory it doesn't work in practice because of human nature, humans are ambitious and greedy and will always try to better themselves/their position even at the expense of others, amass wealth and status etc so when you try to keep them forcibly equalized it always backfires horribly.
>>8093389
That's why I later said they're just buzzwords.
>>8093382
I'm literally 19 so yeah ok. I did history A level (not sure American equivalent, basically until I left school) and that's what we were taught. Sorry I didn't have the time to study political science. Just trying to help s dude out.
Also
>scifi and fsntasy
>>8093390
>this is what society around me is
>therefore
>society was always and will always be like this
Eternal September
THIS IS A SFFG THREAD
PLEASE GO TO POL IF YOU WANT TO DISCUSS RIGHT AND LEFT.
What's the least tropey / most unique good science fiction book you've read?
>>8093382
Are you sure? I'm pretty sure /lit/ only cares about literature because they think it'll make that hot barista boi at Starbucks notice them reading The Great Gatsby and writing a screenplay on their MacBook.
>>8093445
Lord Of Light
>>8093452
Addendum: Voyage To Arcturus
>>8093450
/lit/ is an unholy collision of sheltered arts majors who love to proclaim that they're reading [AUTHOR NAME] and /tg/.
>>8093450
dingdingding
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>>8093378
>Like in Venezuela?
Venezuela is a classic "socialist dictatorship" (or in other words, military dictator using socialist ideology to get support) bundled with the added bonus of being a petrostate. Put everything into social programs without saving anything, nationalize everything and then give it to your cronies who don't know how to run anything, seize everything owned by foreign companies, but whoops looks like oil prices have gone down and you've got no savings, the social programs are on fire and nobody wants to invest in your country for some strange reason. Better blame America and Zionists I guess? Maybe phone up Mugabe or Putin for some tips on dealing with people rioting because their kids are dying and a gallon of milk costs half a month's salary?
>>8093445
The Iron Dragon's Daughter. Singlehandedly changed my perception of what fantasy could achieve.
>>8093249
>As far as I know JCW hates gays, women, is a Christian and all that shit. Sounds pretty /pol/ to me.
You have a very stereotypical view of /pol/
As far as I understand, /pol/ doesn't hate gays or women, it is just disgusted by how they are worshiped and celebrated, as if homosexuality is a positive thing, and taking women out of their natural habitat is a good thing, while anyone who has ever worked with women can tell you how useless they are and even destructive to the work environment.
>>8093481
Why do you keep posting this, I'm almost tempted to read it, but then I see all the bad reviews on GR
Is there someone here who has read it that is not the shill?
Is it good lads?
>>8093489
>but then I see all the bad reviews on GR
Is this a joke? Have you looked at what gets high ratings on goodreads?
>>8093489
>but then I see all the bad reviews on GR
>he uses GR as a non-ironic measurement of the quality of a book
By the way, I'm guessing those bad reviews were all the people that went in expecting a classic epic fantasy with a magic sword wielding hero and were sorely disappointed.
I'm not shilling anything, try reading it and decide for yourself if it's good or not.
>>8093485
Sounds like hair-splitting.
>>8093474
I live in Guyana. You think I can get a Venezuelan qt gf, if I let her stay in my home and look after her?
I can get sex everyday r-right guys?
>>8093490
I realized what I hate isn't old novels, but it's old pulp novels. Shit like Stars my Destination and D&D things. Urgh.
You should read Gormenghast before you dismiss it btw. With the exception of it I agree that the others on the list are boring though.
>>8093504
>hair splitting
>acknowledging that someone's characteristics make him less "good" is hating them for simply being
I don't even believe that the attitude described by the post you replied to is good but at least I have the cognitive capacity to make a distinction between the two ideas.
>>8093508
don't even bother, he's just a retarded shitposter.
Also Stars my Destinations is amazing, but to each his own I guess.
>>8093489
>Goodreads
May as well use youtube comments to form your opinion.
>>8093500
High rating isn't necessarily good, but low ratings usually means it's bad. From experience of looking at reviews and then reading it myself of course. And I'm not only looking at stars and also reading what they say, it's usually pretty easy to guess whether they guy has an idea of what he's talking about or not.
>>8093474
Its hilarious, Their ancient power grid is falling apart, blackouts nearly daily, but instead of admitting the government is at fault for not upgrading their infrastructure when they had the funds, they blame "saboteurs".
>>8093535
Infant mortality has ballooned up past the previous levels when they had money, most hospitals are now without basic medicine or clean water, so the president went on TV and said "Cuba is the only country in the world that has better health care!"
Apparently there's also a rumor going around now that Maduro secretly has Colombian citizenship or something.
>>8093533
Just read it.
Pretty much all those negative reviews can be summed up with "I don't get it", "it wasn't what I epxected" "nihilism/bleak/sollipsism".
Some people think a book having a bleak and nihilistic tone is bad but they just want some normal fantasy with the usual tropes.
Fact is, Iron Dragon's Daughter deviates very clearly from standard fantasy. It doesn't use the usual trope. It's different.
It's a good novel, but if you want the usual tropes you should just stick to Sanderson.
>>8092399
For the present best people who are keeping Lovecraftian horror alive, check out Laird Barron (Combines Lovecraftian horror with hardboiled/noir type fiction) and Caitlin Kiernan (She's actual scientist so her works can be very detailed but she always keeps it very creepy and chilling).
>>8093553
The implication being that he's going to flee when the riots get too intense?
>>8092386
Harlan Ellison's works, get his collections Deathbird Stories and Strange Wine.
>>8093485
They do hate blacks though. Even when blacks were slaves they were despised, this makes me think there is credence to the claim that blacks were in power at sometime in the past(Timbuktu, etc) and whites hate that. They destroyed all traces of them when found(Napoleon shooting the nose off the sphinx), and this isn't hard if you look at the Catholic church, they then used propaganda money to say that whites did it... when whites weren't even in the region.
I don't know, read a fantasy book where someone did just that. They formed a church, burned/hide all references to the past, then enacted harsh penalties for anyone talking about it. Fast foreword a few centuries and everyone believes the lies, and would gleefully watch you get strung up if you were being contrarian.
The person was able to get away with this because he was immortal (or close enough), and his hands were on the tiller for the whole ride. But i guess humans can this too if you have a strong sense of "one-with-your-kind" and would do anything to see your people flourish.
They say all folklore/fantasy is taken from real life. Did blacks really rule an empire/empires?
Did whites get jelly and do something about it?
I know whites stole a lot of inventions from the blacks and called it their own, i know they did the same to chinese. Are whites just thieves?
They are trying/succeeded in stealing the sandhugger's oil.
They succeeded in stealing the Native's land.
I'm doing a little research for a school project and need some help with something.
When and how did the terms "science-fiction","horror", and "fantasy" originate and when did they start to be used to describe genres? Can't find this anywhere.
>>8093620
Just wiki it and look at the sources cited.
>>8093519
>he is a shitposter because he doesn't like what I like
>you don't like what I like either, but one book
>I'm going to use this book to be a hypocrite and agree with you, even though you don't like what I like, to hate on the other anon
Please do us a favour and gtfo and never return.
>>8093580
Is it GRI APPROVED?
not that anon, but if it have GRI, I'll add it to my Black Sword and Red Knight backlog
>>8093606
The book you're talking about was Mistborn, wasn't it?
And the hating blacks thing is a consequence of their actions, whether caused by culture, society, genetics, or just their position, it is caused by them.
I don't know about blacks being in power, well, they must have been, since there were mostly blacks in Africa during the time when the slave trade in the states started, but how much power is debatable and I have no knowledge of it.
>But i guess humans can this too if you have a strong sense of "one-with-your-kind" and would do anything to see your people flourish.
That's called tribalism, or tribe mentality, it exists in almost every human being.
And folklore is akin to religion, it is superstition started by something someone couldn't explain a shit long time ago and it became common to celebrate it or whatever.
And please, whites barely stole any inventions from blacks, most of the inventions of the modern era came from Europe and later, the states. China and some other Asian nations were very advanced, many times they couldn't apply their knowledge, like with gunpowder, Arabs were very good at mathematics, so must have been ancient Egyptians, the two obviously must have intertwined somewhen or where, but again, Europeans were the ones to apply that knowledge.
>>8093628
How do you know what I do and I don't like when in my post I only said I liked Stars?
And I called him a shitposter not for having different tastes than me but for posting a meme picture in place of an actual argumentation. Of course everybody can like whatever but when all you're going to say amounts to "KEK DINOSAURS" I'm going to have a problem with it and call it what it is, shitposting.
>>8093645
How much mileage does it have?
I think you could make a good case for it being GRI APPROVED
Croatian Tales of Long Ago
>>8093620
Last thread or the two threads before had someone asking something similar, check those. They answer your questions bretty gud.
Thoughts on The Wizard Knight?
>>8093673
There's drugs in it, so there's that.
>>8093676
It's the most fun while also being intelligent and even thoughtful fantasy I've read.
>>8093645
Do you have the whole list?
>>8093646
>The book you're talking about was Mistborn, wasn't it?
>the Lord Ruler was the Patriarch of a church
Did you even read the books?
No i was not talking about mistborn.
>>8093696
>burned/hide all references to the past, then enacted harsh penalties for anyone talking about it. Fast foreword a few centuries and everyone believes the lies, and would gleefully watch you get strung up if you were being contrarian.
It was quite close to Mistborn, and it was a KIND of a church
>>8093650
>formal gentlemanly debates
Where do you think you are?
>>8093606
>I know whites stole a lot of inventions from the blacks and called it their own, i know they did the same to chinese. Are whites just thieves?
>steal
>invetion
Neither blacks nor asians consequently lost their technologies once they were adopted by white people. That cannot be considered theft.
>>8093474
Venezuela still has private industry. Its like shitty social democracy.
>>8093697
Well I was talking about A LITERAL CHURCH.
>>8093708
>And whites did steal a shit load from black do your research
Name 5.
Preferably with citations.
Why must you cancerous faggots inject your political faggotry into everything?
Go kill yourselves or fuck off to /pol/.
>>8093974
Excellent argument my friend!
>>8093708
>And whites did steal a shit load from black do your research
Can you take this "WE WUZ KANGZ" shit and get out? This is /lit/, not your anti-white tumblrfront.
delet this thread
>>8093995
>Leftist cucks making fun of anyone
>>8094000
S L O W trips desu
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>>8092625
nah. he's a cuck
>>8088618
A lot of people who criticize Tolkien for that don't understand that it's defined exactly on the way as it is on some interpretations of Christianity. Good = God's will, what the world is supposed to be. Evil = the Devil's meddling. The first Dark Lord of Middle-Earth was Melkor, the most powerful of the Valar who decided to introduce some of his own ideas into the Music of the Ainur besides the picture they were shown by Eru Ilúvatar. It's not even subtle. And despite it being a corruption, it's also made clear that evil is only allowed to exist so that it will serve as contrast or inspiration to good.
>Then Ilúvatar spoke, and he said: 'Mighty are the Ainur, and mightiest among them is Melkor; but that he may know, and all the Ainur, that I am Ilúvatar, those things that ye have sung, I will show them forth, that ye may see what ye have done. And thou, Melkor, shalt see that no theme may be played that hath not its uttermost source in me, nor can any alter the music in my despite. For he that attempteth this shall prove but mine instrument in the devising of things more wonderful, which he himself hath not imagined.'
>And Ilúvatar spoke to Ulmo, and said: 'Seest thou not how here in this little realm in the Deeps of Time Melkor hath made war upon thy province? He hath bethought him of bitter cold immoderate, and yet hath not destroyed the beauty of thy fountains, nor of my clear pools. Behold the snow, and the cunning work of frost! Melkor hath devised heats and fire without restraint, and hath not dried up thy desire nor utterly quelled the music of the sea. Behold rather the height and glory of the clouds, and the everchanging mists; and listen to the fall of rain upon the Earth! And in these clouds thou art drawn nearer to Manwë, thy friend, whom thou lovest.'
>>8092386
Check out Laird Barron's stuff if you haven't already anon. As far as modern authors emulating the style of Lovecraft while making their own unique little universe, well, it doesn't get any better than Laird Barron as far as I'm concerned.
Okay, is there any recent hard science fiction that's both good, limited to our solar system with no ftl or any of that fantasy bullshit and also isn't written by cultists obsessed with identity politics? As far as I know I'm pretty much asking the impossible but that's what I want to read.
>>8094079
Blindsight, I guess.
It is also free to download from the authors site.
>>8093289
>Is the Mule Hitler?
never thought about it but he suddenly shows up out of nowhere, yeah.
>Did anyone else find the third book a bit disapointing? The 2nd Foundation stuff all seemed wooley
yep, I didn't like the whole trilogy that much, the books around it that he wrote later were much better. In my opinion.
>Liked it more than Dune though
same
>>8093646
>And the hating blacks thing is a consequence of their actions, whether caused by culture, society, genetics, or just their position, it is caused by them.
Yes, because we all know blacks invented rape, theft and bodily harm.
Without them we would be living in such a law abiding society and have prosperity everywhere.
Fucking Obamaboons need to be eradicated.
>>8093289
>Is the Mule Hitler?
Yes, partially.
"In keeping with the Foundation series being based on the Roman Empire, the Mule has historical parallels with Attila the Hun, Tamerlane, and Charlemagne; he has also been compared to both the Roman Emperor Augustus and Adolf Hitler"
>this entire thread
I would rather dated and dino anon shitpost than to have pol invade.
Reading WoT, on book 4 (The Shadow Rising) right now.
Question : why are Perrin and Mat the shittiest friends one could possibly have?
They have know Rand THEIR WHOLE FUCKING LIFE and as soon as he has some real problems like you know, actually going insane they're all like "nope, I'm the fuck outta here" and treat him like utter shit.
What gives?
Also lol @everyone fearing and hating Moiraine when they would be fucking dead before half of book 1 if it wasn't for her. Are they actually all retarded?
>>8094206
>Yes, because we all know blacks invented rape, theft and bodily harm.
Well technically, when speaking only of humans, they did.
Apart from that, you can find all of those things in almost every species that lives on land, rape and bodily harm being the most common
>>8093606
this must be bait, right? no one can actually be this dumb and manage to solve a captcha
>>8094294
>>They have know Rand THEIR WHOLE FUCKING LIFE and as soon as he has some real problems like you know, actually going insane they're all like "nope, I'm the fuck outta here" and treat him like utter shit.
Sounds like real world friends to me.
>>8094303
I'm sorry your friends sucked, anon.
>>8094307
Oh, you'll learn. Once people can't get anything they want out of you anymore, they'll be gone.
Mark my words, faggot.
>>8094054
It's also the fact that good versus evil wasn't even common and isn't now. It feels like everyone is seeing derivative works that aren't there and is reacting against him for whatever reason.
>>8092122
Quantum Thief has murder mystery elements (in a singularity age) though it isn't exactly the central plot.
>>8092781
>>8092789
I'll also add this: "Old" cyberpunk like Neuromancer doesn't really age well. For example I was always bothered by the hacking elements because they look nothing even remotely like hacking in the real world (though I'll admit that as someone who's working in infosec it might be a professional deformation for me). Ice, wtf?!
>>8094401
It didn't age because it has no theme worth talking about. It's all about the aesthetic. Compared to Ghost in the Shell which was much more about the themes which make the movie timeless and Neuromamcer something which ages like milk.
>>8094106
I've heard about that before but the autistic vampires just sounded too silly so I never picked it up.
>>8094500
Yeah, I dropped when it got the autistic vampires.
There's only so much stupid shit I'm willing to take.
>>8092625
>a gay hating Mormon
They hate the sin, not the people. You can likewise hate smoking since it's a pointless destructive habit that isn't good for anything but you really hate it because you care about other people not because you dislike the people who smoke.
I just think that's an important distinction to point out since you libruls usually are unable to grasp it.
Did we have any good scifi releases in 2015/2016?
Anything good upcoming maybe?
>>8094194
yeah how dare we talk about a 60 year old book?
also darth vader is really luke skywalker's father
>>8094548
>Mormons
>sane theology
>coherent account of sin
You done goofed
>>8094548
I actually dislike the people who smoke.
>>8094560
Why?
>>8094576
Not him, but probably the smell.
I don't mind because I enjoy lighting a smoke every once in a while.
>>8094550
I don't think so.
What is some fantasy with a big focus on lots of interesting and unique creatures, like lore on them and how they affect the world and such. Most fantasy seems pretty politic/human based.
Pic related, kind of
>>8094550
"The Martian" was a big deal, was that 2015? I haven't come across modern science fiction that isn't just a pop lit checklist of tropes in ages.
>>8094668
Martian is really bad though and exactly the pop lit kind of shit.
95% of fantasy is just a variation of the Tolkien theme of elves, orcs magic swords and shit.
It's a dead genre fit only for female masturbatory vampire/werewolf shit.
>>8094685
It's kind of funny how modern books are kind of bad for the most part while modern LN/VN are getting better and more creative each year. There's like 3 god tier releases of the latter this year while I can't think of any good upcoming books.
Probably has something to do with the customer base / publishing though. I feel like a lot of creative and experimental books get filtered out fairly early in their stages and thus never see the light of the day or get known.
>>8094668
The Martian was shit.
>>8094685
So how much fantasy have you read exactly? You sound incredibly ignorant and proud of it.
>>8094729
List off some fantasy that isn't knights and magic and goblins and elves and shit then.
Otherwise fuck off.
>>8094743
>spoonfeed me recommendations
What's the point? You aren't gonna read them anyways.
>>8094749
Try me, loser.
You won't, because it actually is just Tolkein clones.
>>8094754
Are there any hidden gems from recent years or do you guys mostly read the big names?
>>8094766
>Points to the suggested stuff, the stuff I already looked over
>It's all magic knights and swords and dragons and shit, just like I said.
Fuck off.
>>8094782
That's false.
>>8094774
Why look for hidden gems before finishing all the well known works? It's not like you don't have anything to read.
>>8094685
>Prince of Nothing is the same thing as Wheel of Time muh common fantasy elements
>>8092089
How do the sequels to Logan's Run hold up? I enjoyed the first entry but wasn't quite gripped enough to continue reading it at the time. I'm looking for something now, but I'm also fishing for opinions
Is there any decent fantasy where necromancy isn't painted as the ultimate evil?
>>8094808
There's a steep drop-off in quality after the 30th one.
>>8094818
What the hell? I thought it was a trilogy?
>>8094743
List what you've read first.
>>8094825
It was a joke. In the film version, everyone is killed when they reach the age of 30.
>>8094851
Oh, ha. I haven't watched the film but in the book I thought the age was 21.
>>8094401
>I was always bothered by the hacking elements because they look nothing even remotely like hacking in the real world
>furious typing
>hahaha
>their IDS is yesterday's version
>furious typing intensifies
>beep beep beep
>I'm in
Is that how you like it then?
>>8094815
Fugg man, I don't know so I'm with you on wanting recommendations, but I'd like to write one where the main character is a necromancer and demon worshipper, newborn-sacrificing and all. Like how I wish you could've chosen to actually join the followers of Dagon in Oblivion.
>>8094865
>furious typing
How about describing what they're actually doing on the computer rather than what they're physically doing? People really should stick to writing what they know.
>>8094648
Mieville's Bas-Lag trilogy, especially The Scar. You've got spider-creatures who see higher dimensions, swamp people who sculpt shit out of water, giant moths that hynotise you and consume your mind, Garuda (which I found out recently are an actual mythological thing), Golems, warlike cactus-men, all sorts.
>>8094900
No, I'm just posting pictures. I've posted plenty of times without doing so.
>>8094815
>>8094815
Jonathan Cabal Necromancer??
Maybe Abhorsen Trilogy?
>>8094912
Yeah I'm already aware of that one, it feels like Mieville is the only thing that gets recommended on those kind of questions.
>>8094877
I'm just posting how the movies/tv series all do it. If it's technical mumbo jumbo people will not watch. So they have to make it look cool.
If they talk about injecting code into the ram cnip to gain access to the buffer people will run, only nerds like you will stick. And before anything writers are out for a paycheck, so they will appeal to the lowest common denominator, i.e the plebs.
>>8094928
Yo I posted Cabal first, how the fuck did you appear above me?
>>8094648
I would recommend reading science fiction instead. You've got a ton of choices then like say The Voyage of the Space Beagle.
>>8094973
No you didn't, he posted a minute before you.
