what am I in for, /lit/?
>the 1922 text
you fucked up
It's the greatest novel ever written. It's large, sprawling, and full of imperfections that somehow make it perfect
It is the Trout Mask Replica of lit
>>8082428
Yup, what a great idea to produce a copy of Ulysses with all of the original mistakes unfixed.
There are volumes upon volumes of academic writing on this book. This is a place where the lines that divide masterpieces and unbelievable wastes of time are blurred deliberately by anonymous psychopaths who want to meme your life away. Please, ask anyone else.
>>8082417
Check out Frank Delaney's podcast, Re:Joyce. Takes 6 hours to get through Chapter 1 but he's very listenable and will explain basically everything that's happening.
>>8082437
>Hello. I'm Frank Delaney.
>>8082417
Look up the wikipedia summary of each chapter before you read it. So you know the basics of what's going on.
>>8082507
Or wait until you reread it and get more out of it. Then do it again....and again...and again.
>>8082434
This is one of the most insightful posts I've read all day.
Wonderful book...possibly my favorite of all. On my third reading now. I've had great luck with the new bloomsday book and re-Joyce podcasts.
>>8082432
But Trout Mask Replica is a piece of shit album anon.
>>8082437
So he ripped off Anthony Burgess's title.
>>8082507
I usually go to plot summary after I've read something if I'm confused, then read the original text again to pick up thing other than just content/narrative, i.e. form, theme, style.
>>8083391
Safe as Milk was way more enjoyable anyways
>>8083391
People say the same for Ulysses as well because they don't "understand" it
It sounds pretentious, but for that common division between people's opinion they're similar
Have that exact edition sitting right next to me kek
Gonna read more of Ithaca today, dunno if I'll finish it
It really is a great book; I can see why it gets the praise it does. I've never read anything like it before. It works on every level: as novel, as allegory, its plot, its form, its prose. Excited to finish.
Favorite chapter(s), anons? Mine are Cyclops and Hades.I also didn't think Oxen of the Sun was that bad.
>>8083944
oh yeah also these are really good resources
https://modernism.research.yale.edu/wiki/index.php/Category:James_Joyce
http://www.malinikaushik.com/bloomsday/images/UlyssesMapofDublinLoRes.jpg
>>8082434
>This is a place where the lines that divide masterpieces and unbelievable wastes of time are blurred deliberately by anonymous psychopaths who want to meme your life away
That seems a little strong, anon. We're not that bad.
>>8083391
This.
>>8082432
>>8083496
> It is the Trout Mask Replica of lit
I honestly think you are only comparing them because they are both memed hardcore style on /lit/ and /mu/, respectively. There doesn't have to be a "Trout Mask Replica" of /lit/. Please resist the temptation to describe things using shitty imperfect analogies (e.g. "X is the Y of Z!"). This shit triggers me.
>People who don't like Beefheart don't "get" him
Fuck that, dude. I listen to tons of experimental music from disparate genres and I think Beefheart is just lame. It's not like you need some higher degree of culture or intellect to "appreciate" Trout Mask Replica. On the other hand, that argument could most definitely be made for Ulysses.
heavily recommend reading alongside audiobook, helped my pleb ass anyway
>ctrl-f "arse"
>ctrl-f "farts"
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Get it together, /lit/
I read it a couple of months ago using that edition. It was great.
Check out the teaching company's Joyce lecture. Listening to the appropriate section after the few confusing chapters helped a bit. (specifically Oxen and Sirens)
There's a torrent floating around online somewhere.
>>8083944
Ithaca is my favourite. It's devastatingly beautiful.
im reading it along with summaries i can find on the internet, just finished oxen of the sun
its not TOO bad. people complain about joyce's references but they're usually done in such a way where they can be ignored/missed if you dont get it. gotta be willing to translate the different languages when its stephen's inner monologue though
>>8084297
is sirens considered difficult? it was one of the most fun/easiest to me and im not trying to show off because i still dont get large sections of proteus and oxen
>>8084486
Personally I had some trouble with it. It was a little rough for me determining what exactly was going on at points, and a lot of the audial jokes/technique went by me. I felt like I was constantly not getting what he was trying to do. Still enjoyed it though. I actually didn't have a ton of trouble with Oxen aside from the beginning. Proteus utterly kicked my ass though.
Is it wise to read The Odyssey beforehand? I'm about 50 pages in and I feel like I've missed a lot of allusions.
>>8084624
Nah not really. I mean it would nice to pick up some references but you'll live.
Reading A Portrait of the Artist as a Young Man is important imo.
>>8084640
>I mean it would nice to pick up some references but you'll live.
not him, but are there then references or not? I mean, is it just the "lel Telemachus lel Scylla and Charybdis", or are there actual references like once per page.
>>8084096
>My sweet little whorish Nora I did as you told me, you dirty little girl, and pulled myself off twice when I read your letter. I am delighted to see that you do like being fucked arseways. Yes, now I can remember that night when I fucked you for so long backwards. It was the dirtiest fucking I ever gave you, darling. My prick was stuck in you for hours, fucking in and out under your upturned rump. I felt your fat sweaty buttocks under my belly and saw your flushed face and mad eyes. At every fuck I gave you your shameless tongue came bursting out through your lips and if a gave you a bigger stronger fuck than usual, fat dirty farts came spluttering out of your backside. You had an arse full of farts that night, darling, and I fucked them out of you, big fat fellows, long windy ones, quick little merry cracks and a lot of tiny little naughty farties ending in a long gush from your hole. It is wonderful to fuck a farting woman when every fuck drives one out of her. I think I would know Nora's fart anywhere. I think I could pick hers out in a roomful of farting women. It is a rather girlish noise not like the wet windy fart which I imagine fat wives have. It is sudden and dry and dirty like what a bold girl would let off in fun in a school dormitory at night. I hope Nora will let off no end of her farts in my face so that I may know their smell also.
>You say when I go back you will suck me off and you want me to lick your cunt, you little depraved blackguard. I hope you will surprise me some time when I am asleep dressed, steal over to me with a whore's glow in your slumberous eyes, gently undo button after button in the fly of my trousers and gently take out your lover's fat mickey, lap it up in your moist mouth and suck away at it till it gets fatter and stiffer and comes off in your mouth. Sometimes too I shall surprise you asleep, lift up your skirts and open your drawers gently, then lie down gently by you and begin to lick lazily round your bush. You will begin to stir uneasily then I will lick the lips of my darling's cunt. You will begin to groan and grunt and sigh and fart with lust in your sleep. Then I will lick up faster and faster like a ravenous dog until your cunt is a mass of slime and your body wriggling wildly.
>Goodnight, my little farting Nora, my dirty little fuckbird! There is one lovely word, darling, you have underlined to make me pull myself off better. Write me more about that and yourself, sweetly, dirtier, dirtier.
>Gass
>>8084644
Okay so one example is The Citizen throws a biscuit tin at Bloom while he's leaving the pub. This is an allusion to the cyclops Polyphemus throwing a mountain at Odysseus when escaping his island. It's stuff like that.
Hamlet is the one book characters in the novel talk about and assume familiarity with. Portrait gives backstory to one of the two main characters. I think those are more important to read to understand Ulysses than the Odyssey.
>>8084751
Pretty much correct, but I would say that's one of the more overt references (unless I've been missing a ton) and that most are more vague. You're 100% right about Hamlet and Portrait though. I would definitely advocate reading those over the Odyssey.
>>8084773
Mostly spelling/punctuation stuff that you can figure out pretty easily. At times though there will be a bunch of "should read:" footnotes together and that can be annoying.
>>8083944
Currently finishing up Hades, and Calypso is my favorite chapter thus far. I don't even want to try to break down Proteus on my first read.
>>8084851
yeah i feel like reading the odyssey gives you access to a lot of neat bonus "aha" moments but if you haven't read hamlet most of an entire chapter is going to not make sense or at least be pretty boring
>>8082434
This should be a /lit/ banner.
>>8084751
Not only that, but the "blinding of the cyclops" is genius. He's so narrow minded that being told Jesus was a Jew "blinds" him.
>>8085909
I haven't read Ulysses yet (just started Portrait of an Artist as a Young Man) but this sounds quite interesting. Care to elaborate?
>>8086535
The Cyclops in Odyssey has one eye and gets blinded by Odyssey. Somebody narrow minded might be described as "myopic", which means one-eyed. The man is incredibly narrow-minded and arrogant and he is blinded by rage at the notion of Jesus being Jewish because he is very antisemitic.
>>8084792
Except it doesnt rock
