How does rap at its best compare to written poetry at its best?
Who is the most poetic rapper?
>>8046336
The Odyssey is a poem as well as Beowulf. So poetry at its best is eons above rap at its best.
>>8046336
slim shady
Mos Def isn't bad, but rap is basically glorified slam poetry
ITT will be: people who don't listen to hip-hop talking about how hip-hop is shit and unworthy of serious consideration
>>8046336
Mark E Smith
If they wanted to write anything good they'd just be writing poetry
>>8046367
To add onto this, modern day rap is essentially just as many double entendres and puns as you can fit into a 3 minute beat. Even then, the beat is more important than the actual words
>>8046375
It deserves as much serious consideration as all popular music.
>>8046375
I think you mean ITT: Little dick white bois jelly at what is the more relevant artform in the 21st (our) century
>>8046382
Pop culture and 'avantgarde' are part of a two pronged Semitic assault on the hallowed institutions of Western Culture. Art is supposed to aim for Beauty Truth and respect Tradition
>>8046336
MF DOOM is good at clever limerick writing and probably has some knowledge into the field of surreal literature, but other than him, I don't think I can accurately judge the field of hip-hop.
But then again, hip-hop culture is based on braggadocio and lyrical delivery, so of course, you often won't find many rappers who employ advanced writing structures and world building in their lyrics, due to it being easier to just write lyrics that rhyme and simplified metaphors to fit their rhyme scheme.
That being said, Story by Clipping is a damn good example of a rapper using their lyrics to their best and most abstract abilities.
>>8046403
Better than a dick that look like a massive turd
>>8046336
Hamilton the hip-hop musical by Lin-Manuel Miranda is a legit masterpiece. Like it even won the Pulitzer. Greatest artwork of the century so far imo
MF DOOM. A killer who love children. One who is well-skilled in destruction as well as building.
>>8046429
>Mos Def isn't bad, but rap is basically glorified slam poetry
I mean, only the activist rappers like Mos Def, talib kweli, MF Doom, immortal technique, kendrick lamar compare to slam poetry
the nigger this nigger that rap that serves only to hype people up is much less cringeworthy and more fun to listen to. Nobody wants to listen to rap music for its intellectual lyricism
"Real G's move in silence like lasagna" is the greatest line of the 21st century.
>>8046509
i got broads in Atlanta
>>8046336
This genius
Deltron, Clipping
>>8046336
1. Eminem
2. Macklemore
3. Justin Bieber
>>8046606
You need to learn the art of subtlety
1.Eminem
2. Mac Miller
3. Hopsin
Would have worked better
>>8046336
Lil B is literally James Joyce
IF RAP WAS A GAME THEN I'M THE MVP
THA MOST VALUABLE POET ON THA M-I-C
>>8046615
Really wouldn't have. Hopsin is the biggest red flag you can give.
>>8046375
Tell us some of your favorite artists so we can look at and compare their lyrics to poetry then.
Eat the cake like Anna Mae
Young Based God and I been doin my thing
Take my shirt off and the girls go insane
Four diamond rings, two big-ass chains
Eat that wonton soup I got the cash like chang chang chang
Bitches suck my dick because I cum like 36 ways
AK-47 leave that bitch with no fucking name
Call my main bitch and she stay giving me brain
Put that bitch to shame, violate that brain
Young Based God dope my bitch like I'm cocaine
Bitches snort my ring, that crackpipe like my chain
Found a dope man, I ride that bitch like Ace of Spades
Ho don't play that game!
I'm rapping not for the fame
I almost went to jail for like 500 days!
Bitch don't give no fuck, that's why I fuck her in the face
Fuck you suckers' heads then I ask her what's her name
Based God, man
Your not a leader your just a follower, shit, your mother shoulda swallowed ya
Lit would like Aesop rock probably
Bitch I'm Lil B, bitch I'm Lil B
Hoop Life mixtape, you gon' know that it's me
Still on the court and I'm still holding court
Ban me from the game cause you niggas on my dick
I'm a short nigga with a tall ass bitch
Might layup but I'll dunk on a bitch
Shoutout to the WNBA, you got some fine ass girls I wanna fuck in the mouth
Hoop Life mixtape I'mma try it out
I'm at try-outs, tryna' make a route
Fuck all you haters I'mma hop em' out
3 point on a bitch like Dirk Nowitzki
Up in the club like Dirk Nowitzki
See me on the court if you wanna diss me
Lets play a game of 21, its really fun
I got half court shots and I'll post you up
I'm Latrell Sprewell, I'll choke the coach
Street niggas like me either rich or broke
Gotta hustle hard that's all I know
Hoop life bitch that's all I know
Sports lifestyle with a gorgeous flow
With my contract imma buy a ho
Beverly Hills imma buy a home
Fuck KD that's how it go
UK > US tbqh lads
https://youtu.be/cKutTL_KLig
>>8046735
This
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7HEq8UqrujM
>>8046735
No that wouldn't No one is as transparent as that guy. It's embarrassing.
It's all sub-music garbage.
>>8046403
Itt niggers who buy into a completely capitalistic artificial product as a valid "street art."
Ironically most people who give money for that shit are rebellious teenage white kids from the suburbs.
>>8046759
https://youtu.be/6GyvRCjQwD8
>>8046776
This. Get fucking get redpilled guys. You fucking disgust me and your ancestors must be fucking ASHAMED.
Listen to some real music like Led Zep or Nirvana.
>>8046820
Nice strawman.
Rock music is also sub-music.
>>8046561
So I start my mission, leave my residence
Thinking how could I get some dead presidents
I need money, I used to be a stick-up kid
So I think of all the devious things I did
I used to roll up, this is a hold up, ain’t nothing funny
Stop smiling, be still, don’t nothing move but the money
But now I learned to earn cause I’m righteous
I feel great so maybe I might just search for a 9 to 5
If I strive then maybe I’ll stay alive
So I walk up the street, whistling this
Feeling out of place cause, man, do I miss
A pen and a paper, a stereo, a tape of
Me and Eric B and a nice big plate of
This, which is my favorite dish
But without no money it’s still a wish
move over Wordsworth!!!
>>8046836
>Thinking how could I get some dead presidents
Well, at least there was once good line. And that's likely not even original.
Godsmack is how the wind feels
On the face of Mike Winfield
On his way home from the bar where he works
Nights - the worst nights, don't nobody tip right
And between the marriage offers and the fist fights
And if another mother fucker touch his wrist trying to pull him in to whisper
He ain't making it to midnight
Don't they know he got a lighter in his pocket
A matchbook in his sock and a block full of charred skeletons closeted begging to get out
He paused cause he's scared of airing out the thoughts
He can taste it in his mouth the sulfur and bitter carbon
Hearing all the burning bodies shout but no
That was a full lifetime ago and nobody ever has to know
He has never told well except Ronald
But that don't count he was sweet and exactly what he needed him to be at the time
Wine and candlelight and nice texts at lunchtime
Why had he not called Ron back
Guess there just wasn't a spark
No no musn't joke about these things
Wouldn't want to disappoint Doc Clark
So many hours on the couch
So many buried memories that take so many tears to get them out
Water hadn't never been a friend
Hold up - where had he seen that car before
Blue Acura dent on the left rear fender
Back again the sense of
Deja Vu
Strange things you
Never shake when you wake up in recovery
But suddenly noticing ash is covering his head cause it's raining from the sky
Dials home on his cell phone and gets no reply
What the fuck?
Where is the babysitter that he overpays
Body takes over and brain becomes disengaged
Michael is running his house is three blocks away
Adrenaline compensating for change in age
Since the last that he ran it god dammit
Mike knows he gotta get home fast as he can
Looks up in the sky, glow's familiar
Knows those families died with similar
Awnings and on and on he keeps going
Hits the corner just as he hears the explosion
Screams comes from the house,"Did you get them out"
Mike asking came the crowd that gathered round
Tears running down his face
There's that familiar taste
He wishes it would take him to another place
Son and his baby girl in his home and he can't believe that it's gone in a cloud of smoke
And he's choking and running forward and hoping against hope that he might find them alive and well
When he knows the results too well and he knows that fooled himself
And he keeps walking toward the house rather what house is still left
No intention of stopping letting the smoke take his breath
Some strong arm rocks him aside Mike falls to the ground and cries
Why won't you just let me die
Why won't you just let me die
>>8046847
rap is just niggers talking
jazz is the musical equivalent to scribbling all over a piece of paper and calling it art
>>8046855
You're retarded and none of the women at the gym that you ogle even believe you listen to your fedora bullshit music :^)
Rap is bad though
http://youtube.com/watch?v=B3X04Ryhnjo
>>8046596
Clipping. is nice. But why harder on the flow, than on the lyrical side.
>>8046842
Ghosts on the avenue were talking to theyselves
Somebody been selling them dreams again
Breathe again, the breeze is full of trees again
The beast buried under the streets is ‘bout to
Leave the den of thieves and hooligans ready to
Fettuccine the noodles of any cook looking new to the kitchen
Cooking up wishes and powder, flour the pan and the cake will bake even better
The cheddar stay in the refrigerator
To keep it fresh until it's on
Every day is preparation for Armageddon
A holocaust, any cost, you want to get on one or on two
Get three stacks and bring it back to the fortress
Wrapping five fingers 'round that much cash will make a motherfucker Cassius Clay
Quick, the cash is pay, checking gas with a loaded fo-fo when he rollin'
Po-po on his shoulder so he's slow but he's goin', wouldn't you?
If you scared, say you scared, cause they comin' through sweepin'
And nobody got a problem sweepin' over you
Trust the shadows is thick, full of mattresses, get over, get past it or suck a dick
Skinner glass, killer fashion, and spinning back
So quit back spinning and get a gat
Fuck a battle rap, rappers will battle where they at
Trunk rattle is leaving the streets and probably eating the map
Verses versus the hearses, Versace versus the nerves and the pain
Slang, it seems to be a no-brainer the same folks sayin' it ain't
Are the same folk that never seen a caddy-driven candy paint
Or the block after the rain
Fucker, prepare for the storm
Hope you got a blanket or a body keepin' you warm
The spoken word is weak
Scream motherfucker, dreams are cheap
You ain't even even gotta sleep
Don't sleep, it's Clipping bitch
>>8046708
Why are you dead set on comparing music lyrics to written poetry? All you want to do is immediately say they suck so you can continue to dismiss hip hop as an art form without ever giving yourself the chance to enjoy it. You're too prejudiced to consider them with any objectivity because you want your preconceived notions to remain intact.
Good meaningful rap is much harder than your average poem because it's multisyllabic.
The best rap songs are definitely on par with the greatest poems. For example the rapper Canibus song "Poet Laureate" which is a 45 minute long multisyllabic rap.
Rap stands for rhythm and poetry. Rap is poetry. Most rappers today have a larger vocabulary than the greatest poets and can do complex poetry techniques with ease. it is much harder to write a multisyllabic meaningful rap than it is your average poem.
I'm generally interested in a response so if you want to argue this then send me some good poems. I'm willing to change my pov. I've read a bit of Ezra Pound and T S Eliot so far.
>>8046976
>The best rap songs are definitely on par with the greatest poems.
No it's not.
>Rap stands for rhythm and poetry. Rap is poetry. Most rappers today have a larger vocabulary than the greatest poets and can do complex poetry techniques with ease. it is much harder to write a multisyllabic meaningful rap than it is your average poem.
There is no meaning in popular music.
Stop deluding yourself, you pretentious prole.
>Rap is poetry
CUZ I SED SO
>>8046336
Gil Scott-Heron is spoken word/proto rap and is brilliant. He is like a beat poet if the beats were really black instead of pretending to be black.
>>8046981
Not all rap is popular music. Take for example Eyedea's liquid sovereignty. Lil Ugly Mane's "Grave Within A Grave" is top-tier poetry. http://genius.com/Lil-ugly-mane-grave-within-a-grave-lyrics
If someone grew up in a cubicle as Plato once suggested
They would only know the cubicle and not the world outside it
And they wouldn't view the cubicle as something geometric
We only know it's a cubicle because we live outside it
Now the one inside the cubicle can't comprehend his measurements
Because measurements are models made up for and by observers
Relative to their position on the outside of the cubicle
To understand objectively so they can study further
If I grew up in a cubicle the walls limit my universe
I have no knowledge of the entirety like the outsiders do
If you follow what I say and can swallow the powdered water
Close your eyes and open your minds, this one's for you
And the brain equals a cubicle we'll never think outside it
Now inside wanna try to tie a diagram to modify them
I'm there as a hybrid of a body of a pirate
Of a soul that can fly without control
Realizing the brain takes in six billion signals per second
Most of which are hidden and not given to the senses
We're limited to a few futile primitive tools of perception
Livin' in a universal pool of first hand deception
The mind's job is to receive the signals
And block the ones out that don't coincide with imprinted symbols
That way the information you obtained is recognized
Reality is thinkable; incomparable to space and time
It makes a map of the territory that gives us
The topic of the Copenhagen interpretation of modern quantum
Physics which states we don't know the meal
We only know the menu that our brains tells us is real
We don't know the rules of our heads
From inside these cubicles we can't see the truth
No one really knows exactly what happens when we think
Therefore we can never really ever know anything
>>8047006
All hip hop is, by definition, popular music.
By not knowing what popular music is, you have shown yourself to be a pretentious little /mu/ kiddie that hasn't once read poetry outside of high school.
>Lil Ugly Mane's "Grave Within A Grave" is top-tier poetry
DUUUUUDE IT SO RANDOM AND DARK BUT ITS IRONIC HAHA I <3 MEME RAP!
>>8047031
>OMG FUKKING SHEEP ITS 2016 WHY ARENT YOU ENLIGHTENED LIKE ME YET!!!???
Wow so meaningful
>>8047048
dude they use big words and are MEANINGFUL! you just dont understand because youre WHITE AND RACIST!! this is super meaningful and hard to do they put so much work into it so if you dont appreciate that your just RACIST!! ugh omg go back to pol
>>8047048
That's your personal taste. You can't say that a poem about Socrates paradox is cringe-worthy. It's very well-written. I think the others were definitely bad.
>>8047061
There was a study that showed that the top rappers have higher vocabulary than the top poets. People like you do try and take away the merits of rap due to your own taste and prejudice.
>>8046452
That last line might be an overstatement that we need to wait a little bit on but I agree with the rest. It has brought both hip hop and musicals to a whole new level
>>8047071
>vocabulary has anything to do with quality
Try again, you illiterate turd.
There is no merit in popular music.
>>8047071
>top rappers
the only objective way of determining 'top' would be top grossing, so i guess you are trying to tell me that Drake, Rick Ross, Lil Wayne, Kanye West are smarter than Robert Frost, Wordsworth, Blake, Shakespeare..
fuck off. /lit/ is no place for a pleb like you
>>8047085
I'm talking specifically about writing skill. If you want to talk about meaning as I suggested you show look at Lil Ugly Mane's grave within a grave.
>>8047088
I was referring to top as in their ability to write well. Rappers make complex literary skills look easy. It's almost second nature, unlike poems which are usually simple.
>>8047088
DUDE THEY KNOW MORE WORDS IT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH MORE AND MORE WORDS BEING CREATED DUE TO THE VULGARIZATION OF THE ENGLISH LANGUAGE ITS BECAUSE THEYRE WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAY SMARTER THAN THOSE STUPID PEOPLE BEFORE THEM PEOPLE ARE GETTING STUPIDER I KNOW 10TH GRADE MATH SO IM SMARTER THAN EVERYBODY WHO DID MATH BEFORE ME ITS 2016 WHY ARENT YOU ENLIGHTENED YET???!!! HOPSIN IS THE GREATEST MUSICIAN AND POET OF THE 21ST CENTURY IF YOU DONT LIKE THAT YOU CAN GO BACK TO POL
>>8047096
>I'm talking specifically about writing skill
They have the 'writing skill' of a middle schooler.
>which are usually simple.
Confirmed for never reading poetry beyond high school.
>>8047114
I've literally just sent something to you that proves the opposite. Grave Within A Grave is far meaningful than most poems. If you don't understand it that's your own problem. It's also very well-written. You obviously didn't even read. I've read The Cantos. Keep continuing your emotionally invested rant though. I'm not a fan of hopsin and I would never claim he is a good poet.
>>8047141
>I've literally just sent something to you that proves the opposite.
How is shallow meme-poetry for teenagers 'meaningful'?
How is shallow meme poetry that may as well have been read by a teenager well-written?
>I've read The Cantos
But nothing else.
Stop trolling, you are not subtle.
>>8047175
What kind of rap do you like?
>>8047218
There is no good rap, no good popular music (a term that an illiterate like you is unfamiliar with.)
ooga booga
>>8046847
No idiot I wouldn't because the context is different. It's like saying I would hate the Beatles since I hate bieber too. Mass production target demographics and marketing happened since.
>>8047240
What good music do you listen to?
>>8047269
Music you'd call 'pretentious' for baseless reasons
>>8047274
The biggest question I would ask is "are you a virgin?" but I already know the answer
>>8047269
classical. now please tell me how Riff Raff and Gucci Mane are better musicians than Schubert and Haydn
>>8047274
You throw a hissy fit about bards on /lit/ and play this paranoid busllshit? You might be dumb, friend.
>>8046820
>Nirvana
>good
I don't think any the lyrics of any rap music has ever struck as deep as the best poetry I've read... but I don't think rap music is lyrically devoid.
If you strip the beats away the most lyrically deep rap music could probably stack up to some moderate poetry in terms of complexity, meaning and feelz.
>>8047285
literal cracker
>>8047319
Do you think this has anything to do with rap being a relatively new phenomenon? I wonder if given more time to develop it will become more complex
A lot of hip-hop is better than most modern poetry. It exists for aesthetic and emotional purposes, rather than just being navel-gazing intellectual wankery.
How many legitimately sincere poets are there, these days? Marie Howe is all that comes to mind.
>>8047330
shut up simpleton
>>8046336
Kind of underrated rapper, but George Watsky from that one HBO slam poetry show went on to produce some pretty phenomenal records. He even plays with spoken word now and again. I like it a lot.
http://gwatsky.bandcamp.com
>>8046336
this whole "rap is poetry" nonsense reeks of a desperate need for validation. it's like when people trying to rebrand video games as "esports" in some attempt to make it more acceptable.
rap is rap and video games are video games, and there's nothing wrong with that.
>>8047432
and rap is rythm and poetry, mate
>>8047468
>some nig-nog said it despite never reading any poetry of any merit so it must be true
>>8047432
>need for validation
your funny
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UwGnpIX1I0M
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lxCtrRh89C0
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iuF6CpML3IQ
Rap is crap and snoop is poop.
>>8047565
Being black is wack, amirite?
>>8047602
Being white is tight, nahmean?
>>8046989
Wow you sure outed yourself as a liberal faggot just now. Those four posts have perfectly valid points. Just because their ideas make you uncomfortable doesn't mean they're arrogant or ignorant. Get that shit outta here.
>>8047565
dope rhymes man!
>>8046336
Nas.
>>8047883
Such a generic answer
Nas is more like a good gangster rapper rather than a poet
What about meme rap?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E-CToIZlszI
Lupe Fiasco is the greatest lyricist ever
Some of the ppl on this board are mentally fucked. So much cognitive issues here .
You little cuntniggers saying rap has no skill are fucking dumb. Poetry and rap really is not THAT different. You fucking phimosis having, dick sucking, fag house living, hypercritical spics are so idiotic.
>loves literature
>thinks rap is dumb nigger music
Holy fuck. Die, all of you.
>>8047883
Nas is alright.
>>8046336
>Who is the most poetic rapper?
Milo
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P5H77IUvu1E
>>8050091
Sounds like you're the one with cognitive issues here, homie. You saw some opinions you didn't like and you sperg'd out. Geez talk about being mentally fucked. Get out of here and go listen to Chance the Rapper.
>>8046509
Holy fuck this line never fails to make me laugh
Is it really good or really bad?
>>8046349
This
Or early kanye
>>8046375
Lol just accept the fact that you have a shut taste. shamelessly I had dedicated a year to just listen to hip hop thinking it was cool but I have grew up and is garbage.
>>8050091
>Poetry and rap really is not THAT different.
Retard. And that's without getting into how autistically niggerish you write. Kill yourself.
>>8047006
> Lil Ugly Mane's "Grave Within A Grave" is top-tier poetry.
It really isn't. And I like LUM a lot.
>>8050155
Kanye's okay
But really,
Busdriver and Milo are the true intellectual rappers
https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=1&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0ahUKEwjFwrWJ2-HMAhWHdh4KHTzsAU8QyCkIIDAA&url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.youtube.com%2Fwatch%3Fv%3D-Og0_pRt1R4&usg=AFQjCNEIFtwMhHHjUN2bFgLrWl5Som98Gw&sig2=H_5AD4mrzVquumOwbfgrqw
>>8050149
>Chance the Rapper
>good
Holy kek, you rap niggers are literally mentally challenged. Please open a book, and afterwards kill yourself at the earliest convenience.
>>8050232
He implied he was bad.
Stop embarrassing yourself.
>>8046487
In what universe is MF DOOM an activist rapper?
>>8050243
I didn't read what he replied to. My apologies and my best regards, family.
>It's another /lit/ hip-hop thread
But seriously, rap isn't on the level of the best poetry because rap is most about good delivery with a sweet beat and flow and all that, so it's fun to listen to.
The human voice is naturally pleasant to listen to, especially if it is used together with drums in a drumlike, rythmical fashion. Pretty much all voices in rap are modified so every second bar is doubled, etc. Rap is cool to listen to even if you don't understand what the black guy is saying behind the drums, but understanding can give meaning and is an added treat. I just like rhymes and puns.
>>8046336
Poetry and rap are different mediums entirely.
Rap lyrics will never measure up to the prowess of epic poetry however rap music can be poetic.
Rap music has a much broader audience today and this isn't a bad thing. Many poetic rappers are often nobodies but some bigger name poetic rappers include Kendrick Lamar and Tupac, both of whom, im sure, have already been mentioned in this thread.
>>8046336
>Who is the most poetic rapper?
This supreme memester has a better grasp of the English language than most poets. Still, rap in general has a long way to go before surpassing the greats of poetry.
>>8046487
immortal technique is awful and MF DOOM isn't an activist.
>>8050262
>rap isn't on the level of the best poetry because rap is most about good delivery with a sweet beat and flow and all that, so it's fun to listen to.
Hilariously, the lack of even C tier lyrics is what keeps guys like ASAP Rocky from being good, he has the rest of it down cold, but, I find myself unable to forgive the discordant effect his dogshit lyrics have on his music.
>>8047297
this anon gets it
>>8046981
t. pleb
>>8050276
stop looking for depth and meaning in rap lyrics that are at best pseudo intellectual.. .learn to view the rappers vocals as an instrument that complements the production. i think rocky is one of the best. lyrics mean nothing to me. if i want lyrics i will read proper poetry
>>8047114
You have to be at least 18 to use 4chan
>>8047240
>There is no good rap, no good popular music (a term that an illiterate like you is unfamiliar with.)
t. someone who saw a troll image on /mu/ and took it seriously
Learn to think for yourself. Music isn't good because it's written on a sheet. Get over your twelve year old opinions you intellectual coward pleb.
>>8047285
>Schubert and Haydn
>I listen to art music! Schubert, Haydn, the list goes on!!
kill yourself you mindless drone.
>>8050309
>stop looking for depth and meaning in rap lyrics
I'm not, in any measure. If they were just average hip hop lyrics they'd be more than adequate. He just spews the least euphonious garbage he can think of. I'm not looking for depth or cleverness, I just want it to sound good.
>learn to view the rappers vocals as an instrument that complements the production
No fuck. It bothers me you seem to have no idea what I'm talking about. Everything else about him is fantastic.
>>8050325
not him but whats wrong with Schubert doo and Haydn?
I know brunt of your anger is probably directed at him, not Schubert or Haydn.
>>8050325
> i read good literature! Joyce, Kafka, the list goes on!!
kill yourself you mindless drone.
>>8046367
More the reverse, surely? Slam poetry is debased rap.
as someone who listens to a lot of rap none of it has anything on actual literature
lil ugly mane is sort of cerebral at times on his latest album but still
hip hop is for turning up
>>8050332
Nothing, it just shows he has the most basic entry-level taste and probably doesn't have any original opinions, in fact he probably hasn't listened to much else barring maybe some DeBussy and Beethoven.
>>8046735
Aesop and Eyedea.
Aesop is incredibly fun to listen to, has a very diverse vocabulary
Eyedea strikes me as more a poet. Also a prodigy kid.
>>8050343
>4 chord faggotry
>rap music
have you ever listened to rap music, ever?
Also a modern DAW allows for far more complex arrangement and structured composition than sheet music. Any good composer will know how to use at least one, as well as sheet music of course.
>>8050347
i see
i figured that was the angle you were taking but your post just sounded like it was also bashing the two of them as well.
from experience I never started with Haydn or much of Schubert aside from his "best sellers" (Ave Marie and Serenade)
>>8050333
faulty analogy
Dessa and Cecil Otter of Doomtree are quite poetic in the traditional sense.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2k9qdbNPmr8
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H9mhfJfVWdY
Sometimes rap and poetry are one and the same. Not that that makes this particular example good, mind.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PK3AyUuMPg8
A slightly more listenable fusion by Flobots:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H9mhfJfVWdY
And one more for the road:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=exmp6NQ0et8
>>8046336
"Éclairé par le soleil couchant
Et la lumière de la lune à l'aube
Mes deux pieds sur deux plaques tectoniques
Qui s'éloignent l'une de l'autre
Quand tu as vu le jour, il pleuvait, ce monde tourne à l'envers
Quand tu es parti, le ciel était rose et ta peau était bleutée
Le ciel aussi pleure après la dépression, je trouve l'idée précieuse
Nu, à genoux sous un nuage noir
Les seules vraies réponses sont des questions
Comme la femme de Salomon, tu adorais le soleil
Avant d'rejoindre Dieu, avant d'laisser mon âme seule au monde
Elle te fait renaître un jour, le lendemain t'achève
Suspendu à ses lèvres, obligé de m'attacher
La vérité vaut son pesant d'or, nos exemples sont trafiqués
J'suis en apesanteur, tout me semble sans gravité
J'attends la réussite des astres
J'attends la réussite des astres
J'attends la réussite des astres
J'attends la réussite des astres
Les constellations sont frêles, j'imagine ton image dans le ciel
Pour dessiner les traits de ton visage, je relie les étoiles entre elles
Je veux pas seulement qu'on m'aime passionnément
Je pensais la connaître, c'est tout moi
Embrassez-moi comme elle, trop de trous noirs et de plans sur la comète
Je suis une étoile filante, je laisse les traînées derrière moi
Une étoile filante, je les laisse me pointer du doigt
Les angoisses et mes songes se ressemblent à s'y méprendre
Comment embrasser le son et ses méandres sans laisser mes cendres ?
Marre de ce manège, dis-moi qui tient les manettes
Je ne crois que ma mère, le cauchemar démarre dans ma tête
Et je sens mon mal-être grandir de manière exponentielle
Ah... À l'aide, une étoile explose dans le ciel"
The greatest poet since Bonnefoy is a rapper,
>>8050347
I grew up in Wien with 'academic' parents. I have been listening to classical, specifically german and austrian classical, since i was 10. Such a lazy argument to criticize me for listing entry level composers. They are popular because they were the best of all time. Would you have preferred I listed Mahler and Wolf? Obscure doesn't always mean better. Take your knit hat and ironic mustache elsewhere.
>>8050331
no i do get what you are saying man. I just don't differentiate, "cookin dope nigga look at my jewels hoe" with someone thats recognized as a "better" lyricist. but yeah, rocky is dope his new album was sick
Everything goes exactly as I predicted it
Though minutiae is different, I nailed the gist of it
Just failed to adjust, baby it was a bust
As I was saying craving blunts that bubba's started playing
Somebody save us, I'm seeing futures
So what's the use of knowing the truth if no one's going to believe you?
The Curse of Cassandra
My vision eyes reveal all the answers and seem to leave no surprises
To live and die and circumscribe circumstances
A paralyzing affair, trying's a fool's errand
You see what I'm saying?
I'm sorry if it's scary or obtuse when you feel you're cruising in Doc's Delorean
Poppin' vodka, pouring juice in
Demean it sober, tomorrow morning I'm seeing a hangover
My gang's growing older they know I'm clairvoyant
I get harangued like gold
Just try to enjoy shit a little
And it annoys me a little
Sans joy, see through time
And skip stones on the River Styx
And be the first to abandon ship
Deja vu, mayhap, have you been here as well?
It feels super familiar, pray tell
Ever get the urge to take a draft of Mimir's well?
Trip on what's knitted with a cashmere veil?
Egyptian glyphs, cavern sequence
In sleep, magic dreams reveal hidden patterns between what is real and imagined
Money, I have a secret, spoil the ending, I wish I couldn't see it
To me it's no more profounder then mere logic
A downer beyond years as we flounder
And fought what I thought would be inescapable
Like love lost, long term users incapable
Of forming any action spontaneous
Laying on the barn and I might got the boon and the brainius (?)
Alongside with those who know not what it's like
Under illumi-night, more ice, doomed by the foresight a little
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OXQeCwpEBq8
there's content in this song.
>>8050457
LOL my god that was bad
>>8050444
>I grew up in Wien with 'academic' parents.
No wonder you're such a pleb
If you think you know poetry and aren't impressed by something like Gimmie the Loot, you're a posing dumbass
Also the lyrics off Death Grips' niggas on the moon are some of the best modern stream of consciousness poems ive seen
>>8050469
>gets BTFO
>'yeah, thats right, youre a pleb!'
>>8050223
>Milo
My man
>>8050485
Anon's cheap shot was in bad taste, but you still sound dumb, sorry.
>>8048248
Sure, it's good gangsta rap, but also good poetry.
>>8050145
>Nas is alright.
Come on, he's better than alright... Maybe it's just too familiar now.
Milo's a big fan of Nas, by the way. Illmatic was his first album and influenced him a lot, and he thinks he's great.
http://www.stitcher.com/podcast/earwolf/shots-fired/e/39-unexpected-influences-w-zeroh-milo-26558431
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UKjj4hk0pV4
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qjd7EbUUds8
http://genius.com/Eyedea-how-much-do-you-pay-lyrics
I enjoy Eyedea. This is the final verse on "How Much Do You Pay?"
See I can dress myself up in a white coat and say I'm a doctor
Carry an arm on my belt buckle with a gold badge and say I'm a copper
Maybe I'm just a sloppy lazy crazy carbon copy part of the heartlessly
Deranged nation that gave me the generation ecstasy under water, I forgot
The survivor of the mind washed and slaughtered. I've watched your offers, caught your calls and
Called your forefathers my bosses, lost it all in the name of gaining enough
To spend, consuming the youth since those pray in doom for the hand my friends, see
When I saw my man playing away on his drum
Something clicked in my brain and I became less numb
I'm working for bread crumbs
Pretending there's a meaning
But my employment is just a bucket, I'm desperately beating
And one day, I'll be old and retired
Looking at my life like what a waste of good fire
All because school never taught me how to be inspired
And the job concerned applying to myself just wouldn't hire
Make Money and die that's the American Way
Make Money and die that's the American Way
Make Money and die that's the American Way
It don't matter what name you gave the bucket that you play
Make Money and die that's the American Way
Make Money and die that's the American Way
Make Money and die that's the American Way
But hey, here's my application, how much do y'all pay
>>8046336
Eyedea is the best
Someone rapping Milton would sound pretty bad just like reading A$AP Rocky as poetry would be pretty flat
>>8050715
Damn I didn't even read the thread before posting this. Surprised so many on here have heard of him, not surprised you guys like him. I bet a lot of lit can sympathize with the tormented prodigy character.
>>8050726
Eyedea was an absolute prodigy, but still very young, and I think a lot of his lyrics show it. I enjoy witty lyrics I can pick apart, but some of his stuff is almost pseudo-intellectual.
Still, there's a lot of really powerful stuff in his music:
(http://genius.com/Eyedea-and-abilities-junk-lyrics)
"Grief; Mi casa, su casa
Anything you say can and will be held hostage
I watch the mellow craze dance it's way inside
The universe is black and I’m a lighter shade of blind
Everyone’s tugging and pulling in different directions
Why can’t I see anything anymore, anyway?
Medicine. Methadone. Media coverage
Something has broken, my t.v
It keeps telling me I need to be worshiped
And followed to fill this void
I don't know who I am. Paranoid
Bury me somewhere with less perfect
Lighting please
I want to suck out all of your junk and
Kiss it back into the parts of your heart that you keep locked up
When you awaken I hope I’m the first person you call
I’ll listen like a pistol
It’ll be worse than talking to a wall
Having everything’s having nothing at all
I watched you climb your way to the top and
I’ll still be here when you fall
There’s no fulfillment in a lazy nation
That keeps feeding our infatuation
With the idea of being famous"
(You can just tell he was losing it by the end of his life. By the Throat is just a sad album in reflection.)
I hate /lit/ so much
Milo is literally what the average /lit/ poster would be if they wanted to rap. He's pretentious and makes superficial references to the Western Canon and the Greeks constantly to show everybody how artistic he is
>>8050785
it's a mirror, son
Today is the shadow of tomorrow
Today is the present future of yesterday
Yesterday is the shadow of today
The darkness of the past is yesterday
And the light of the past is yesterday
The days of yesterday are all numbered in sum
In the world once
Because once upon a time there was a yesterday
Yesterday belongs to the dead
Because the dead belongs to the past
The past is yesterday
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>>8052609
:3
