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Casual literature conversation
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Questions that don't deserve their own threads.
Who are some good contemporary authors?
I couldn't find the book "early greek philosophy" mentioned in pic related on the internet and because I'm a NEET I can't buy it, I did found "The presocratic philosophers" by the same author Jonathan Barnes, if someone here has read both could you tell me if the content varies too much between the two books? Also, Does anybody knows of a site where I can acquire books for free instead of having to google "book name pdf"? Thanks everybody
I would like to recommend Strindberg's Inferno to everyone on this board. It deals with constant stress and anxiety, genius and desperation, as well as a crackling family life and the certainty that men and women will never function together. There is also occultism and bohemian (that is, poor) life in Paris. It's short and easy to read, and has probably been translated to your native language, if you for some reason don't like reading in English.
>>8045056
Do you like my poem /lit/? The poetry thread is pretty much dead.
Give me back your empty streets,
Show me the dread of your sad days past.
The end came so fast, I did not see your defeats.
Now new conquerors in your squares amass.
This city died and its spirit died with it.
Its promised exaltation came too late.
>>8046689
Thank you, I marked it down.
Is it worthy to study philosophy in university? Is there anything important left to research?
i want to read ALL of the ancient greeks, where should i start, and is there a list of every existing text i can buy?
Mainly talking about non-philosophy here.
>>8046689
Based, Strindberg is goat
What book you would recommend to read with a friend?
>>8048551
while you both are covered with one blanket?
when people here suggest reading Dune, are they referring to the entire series or just the first book
>>8046771
I'm getting a nazi wibe from it, but that might be because i recently read Celan.
It flows awkwardly for the most part and the language is mediocre and does not feel too poetic, and there's a lot of uneccessary repetition of 'its' for example.
>>8046771
the rhymes don't feel deserved (like it seems like you changed what you really wanted to say to force a rhyme, and it's only obscuring what you're tryin to tell us; rhyming's just one technique; saying what you really wanna say well enough is more effective than any forced technique)
>>8048554
nah, to read at the same time, and to discuss about it
Does anyone else absolutely hate Nynaeve and Egwene? (Egwenaeve)
I don't know if they're decent characters for disgusting me or just plain shit.
What is a good word for having a great idea but not having the skills to actually execute it?
>>8048565
just write
words like this
and call it
a
poem
>>8048816
An "Ideas guy"
But, seriously I think a phrase would better capture this concept than a single word.
"Anon has the capacity for innovative ingenuity yet is restrained by a lack of ability to see it come to fruition."
>>8048816
"Philip K. Dick"
>>8048829
One up'd me, anon
>>8048825
>"Anon has the capacity for innovative ingenuity yet is restrained by a lack of ability to see it come to fruition."
Jesus fuck, did you deliberately write that in the most turgid and unsightly prose possible?
>>8048838
I'm describing myself.
>>8048818
not bad tee be age pham
>>8048842
Well played.
Bros K vs. Dr. Zhivago
Which one should I read first?
>>8048829
top kek
>>8050892
Here's a new one.
I walk alone between the rocks,
once molten lava, now sharp stone.
Overgrown with thick green moss,
boulder and man stand alone.
>>8050881
Brothers K IMO is far more fun than Zhivago, which I put down and forgot about.
>>8046666
Use bookz in sticky or Project Gutenberg for old books. Sometimes people post libgen links.
In all honesty, if you want to start with greek philosophy i'd start with plato then go to aristotle's ethics rather than the presocratics. I'm guessing the book you found would be a substitute.
>>8048538
If you really like philosophy then yes it is. There's still a lot of stuff from logic to ethics that people are working on.
>>8048544
For fiction start with Homer then do the plays.
For Philosophy do Plato's Republic then Aristotle's Ethics, and then the rest of their work.
For history do Thucydides then whoever else you want.
>>8048559
first book. In my opinion the series isn't great but the first book is kind of like Aristotle's Ethics and Metaphysics.
>>8051411
You really shouldn't start Plato with the Republic, it's too long and nuanced for the Phil novice, Apology or Euthyphro are the adequate starting points.
Not literature, but could someone explain panentheism in layman's terms?
I have some short stories and poems to read, should they be broken up or read continuously like a normal book?
>>8045075
Just read em pham, then you decide.
>>8048538
People who study philosophy end up just in academia, there's no real point in trying to do research. I wanted to do the same with linguistics.
>>8045056
How do some writers manage to reimagine a work of literature without shitting on it? Like Joyce.
anyone got any queer authors they like?
>>8052178
Thomas Mann.
>>8051433
Seconded for Apology. Pretty solid start.
So I'm about 2/3 of the way through Lolita and I still can't figure something out: just how unreliable is Humbert's narration? For example, he argues that what he didwhen he fucks Lolita was not wrong because she had already had sex. Can we believe him?He mentions casually throughout the text that he spent a year here and there in a sanitarium, so how delusional can we assume he is, you know, besides the whole pedophilia thing?
>>8052239
heres a hint: hes fucking raping a little girl
>>8052244
Fucking or raping?
>>8052244
it's not a rape if the girl agrees the more so if and the current law considers she is in the legal age to agree
>>8052280
Wrong question, don't ask 'is it true or false' but 'why is he saying this, specifically'.
>>8052257
I'd say its still rape, or at least un-ethical and fucked up. She's 12, definitely not old enough at that point to make a decision like that. Have you talked to a 12 year old recently? They're fucking children
>>8052290
>Have you talked to a 12 year old recently? They're fucking children
it depends on the culture
12 y.o. was old enough for marriage for thousand years
currently they are children, yes, but i am not sure it was the case with lolita, she doesn't behave like a child at all
>>8052286
Well I know why he would say it. It supports his argument that that it was wrong because he did not corrupt her in any way, he simply participated in an act he claims is like a "game" to her. A game that she had already participated in. He even goes as far as to claim the boy she had previously copulated with, Charlie, was the one who raped her. He argues that she enjoyed him so it couldn't be rape. The reason why he said it is clear, he wants the audience to sympathize with him.
Is there no way of knowing how much is real and how much is simply there to support his narrative?
>a bunch of men arguing whether or not abducting and fucking a 12 year old girl counts as rape or not
i really, really wish i was less surprised right now
>>8052317
What do you mean 'real'? I hope you don't think that I'm being thick or using cheap rhetoric tricks when I say that there is no 'real', it's a fictional book. Where are you trying to get?
>>8052300
But our only source is Humbert, who has an obvious bias and admitted to being institutionalized. How much can we really trust what he says? The day following their first hookup, H admits that she acts indifferent to him. Perhaps because he molested her and she feels bad about it. He also says how she cried every night as soon as he feigned sleep. That sounds a lot like she was upset about it.
Also, children tend to lie, and Lolita seems to have a defiant personality. Maybe she lied about having sex to seem more mature, as many children that age do.
>>8052333
I guess I meant that when you have an unreliable narrator, you might encounter a situation where the author wishes to convey something happened that the narrator wants to obfuscate. Or do you think the author wants it to be ambiguous with no definite series of events
>>8051411
Thank you! I found the book I needed :)
>>8045056
What are the best Yukio Mishima translations?
>>8052319
rape is a social construct
>>8045056
Does anyone else think English is a weak language?
>>8052517
"social construct" isn't even remotely interchangeable with "not real", just fyi
>>8052517
that's true though
>>8052178
Burroughs
>start writing vidya/anime re-imagining/what-if? fanfictions
>eventually go so far off base that the original cannot be derived from my own work
>change names and distribute
Anyone else do this?
>>8052694
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Line_of_Delirium
this master of orion fanfic :3
Why does this board seem to hate Tolkien so much? Half the criticism about him here is from people who obviously haven't read him
Are there any good literature forums where I won't be subjugated to terrible memes and where I can have serious discussions about books?
>>8053131
no one here would know anything about that kind of stuff
What exactly is epistemology? When I look up the definition it seems "theory of knowledge". But I don't know exactly what that means.
do you think psychohistory can be applied to our own society?
>>8053144
on /lit/ it's a meme more than anything else
>>8053144
Defined narrowly, epistemology is the study of knowledge and justified belief. As the study of knowledge, epistemology is concerned with the following questions: What are the necessary and sufficient conditions of knowledge? What are its sources? What is its structure, and what are its limits? As the study of justified belief, epistemology aims to answer questions such as: How we are to understand the concept of justification? What makes justified beliefs justified? Is justification internal or external to one's own mind? Understood more broadly, epistemology is about issues having to do with the creation and dissemination of knowledge in particular areas of inquiry.
>>8048667
I didn't hate the characters, I just hated the perspective, but that's because was too invested in the male perspectives.
>>8048818
this is so meta that it's actually a poignant and perfect shit poem. noeffort10/10
>>8048570
kafka on the shore. metamorphosis, and the unbearable lightness of being would be pretty good. oh, and turn of the screw.
>>8052290
no, no, its humbert that's fucking children. you must have been confused if you thought it was her that was doing it. glad to clear it up for you, senpai
>The Creation of 'X' during the reign of 'X' and the Factors Involved in its Foundation
OR
>The Foundation of 'X' by the 'X' and the Factors Involved in Its Creation
semantics hurt me
Why is it sometimes called Fiesta: The Sun Also Rises and sometimes just The Sun Also Rises? Why isn't it often called Fiesta?
>>8045075
read the sticky
>>8053964
American publication is called the sun also rises. The English publication is called fiesta.
>>8053931
Are both x's supposed to be the same word?
>>8053144
http://plato.stanford.edu/entries/epistemology/
Can anyone recommend books where the author writes about their personal experiences to portray some important lessons to be learned? The type of authors I'm looking for are philosophers, ancient leaders, or generally accomplished men.
My friend gifted me a Marcus Aurelius meditations book a year ago, and after going through it it affected my life positively so I'm looking for more of that.
Why is logic as a basis of a system undesirable?
>>8056007
It implies the world is capable of meaningful one-to-one relationships between definitions/protocols and things, which is naively positivistic
Every theory or philosophy or method needs a meta-theory that accounts for the human/interpretative/hermeneutic element
at least that's the current opinion
>>8056007
Logic seeks to promise reproducibility, which is death.
>>8055979
Read Montaigne's essays.
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>>8045056
What is the literary equivalent of the eric andre show?
I've stopped reading for quite a while, and as I tried to get back into it I realised I have the attention span of an autistic squirrel with ADHD (thanks internet).
How do I overcome this?
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Other than Harold Bloom, are there any notorious approaches to the theory of literary influence?
How do I fix wanting to write but being unable to find works stimulating enough to read?
Hi /lit/ i need some help because i have some troubles listening to this video about Husserl and Heidegger and it's because I'm not used to hearing English, so if someone could transcript this it would be very useful for me, cc sucks in youtube
this is the video
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aaGk6S1qhz0&list=PL1B2436687744840B
>>8053026
His writing is not great, all those pages of Frodo whining, the fairy tale morals, and bad Elven poetry is still bad poetry.
>>8056375
The stupid but it works way is to force yourself to read between 10 to 25 pages a day- after a week should be good.
>>8056436
Look up new criticism, it's what Bloom and Sonntag get at, which is looking at art as an isolated piece.
>>8056443
By writing.
