Sappho vs. Catullus who is the better roman poet?
Sappho is Greek
Catullus
Mainly for reasons already stated.
>>8002600
Catullus still
If you didn't read it in the original Latin, then what even kind of question is this?
>>8002600
>asks which is the better roman poet
>lists a greek as an option
>omg u guize just answer the question
>>8002600
okay who is the better Irish author, James Joyce or William Faulkner?
>>8002579
Catullus because his villa is down the road from my home.
>>8002618
william faulkner because if he was irish he would be better
>>8002618
Who is a better French playwright Jean Genet or Bertolt Brecht?
Catallus' sapphic verses aren't good. Though neither are Sappho's, or at least what remains of hers.
>>8002687
well you're obviously a huge lesbian retard
>>8002749
>Huge Lesbian
You repeat yourself.
Seriously though guys, Sappho is irrelevant when compared to Pindar.
>>8002751
>You repeat yourself.
This would have been pretty funny if he said 'lesbian huge' instead.
>>8002579
Leaving aside the fact that Sappho was Greek, and that comparisions may all be invidious, the question is still unanswerable: we have, by chance, many complete poems of Catullus, but almost none of Sappho's; and while Catullus did write in the lyric style modelled on the Greek, he also produced forms such as epigram that we don't have from Sappho.
>>8002751
Apples and oranges my man. Whitman isn't irrelevant when compared to Crane.
It's impossible to make a proper aesthetic judgement of poetry in a dead language, so all we can really go on is authority. And authority says Sappho is by far the greatest lyric poet in antiquity (Plato naming her the tenth muse).
We have LITERALLY one whole poem by Sappho.
Anyone who is ranking Sappho has LITERALLY never read her.
Also, Sappho was Greek.
>>8002814
Which one is the whole?
>>8002826
the only one that is a complete poem and not a fragment of a fragment of a line
>>8002814
We have LITRALLY no whole novels by Kafka
Anyone who is ranking Kafka has LITERALLY never read him.
Also, Kafka was a Jew.
>>8002607
well i did read sappho in the original latin so yeah
>>8002864
nice
>>8002600
>alright lets not go full retard here.
You already went there.
>>8002835
Kek
>>8002814
>>8002835
We have LITERALLY no whole novels by DFW
Anyone who is ranking DFW has LITERALLY never read him.
Also, DFW was born in Ithaca (NY), not the Greek island.
>>8002794
That's true, though, since Crane finished poetry.
>>8002618
the better Irish author is the GOAT, W.B. Yeats
>>8002800
>(Plato naming her the tenth muse).
More precisely, an epigram attributed to Plato at Athologia Palatina 9.506:
Nine are the Muses, some say: how thoughtless!
See: Sappho of Lesbos is the tenth.
>>8002579
We have almost nothing of Sappho
>>8003257
>Athologia Palatina 9.506
"Anthologia"
>>8002579
This isn't fair, there's only fragments left of Sappho to be compared with a whole book by Catullus.
That being said, Catullus is very much totally and competently OKAY as a poet.and I've read the original Latin
>>8003268
ego pedicabo te et irrumabo
>>8002800
I don't know that it is impossible to judge poetry in a dead language. Although we are temporally and culturally distant from both Sappho and Catullus, ancient Greek and Latin do have continuous traditions of intelligibility (i. e., they are dead languages, but were never lost languages), and we have enough contextual material to be reasonably sure of the meaning, sound (except for music), technical principles, and aesthetic criteria of ancient Greco-Roman lyric; and of the opinions of the ancients.
This doesn't mean OP's question is necessarily a good one, or an answerable one (for the reasons given above).
>>8003564
Yeah, there's my point. No maturity thing to ever be written.
