Cringe facts on reading
>the best selling genre are romance fiction
>The author of 50 shades of Grey is worth $55 million because she wrote an erotic Twlight fanfiction, which she later re-edited as a stand alone book
>50 percent of people will never read a book after they finish school
>50 percent of people will never read a book after they finish school
really? jesus. i'm lucky
Why do you care about these facts, OP?
>>7970774
Daniel Steel is worth 550+ million, she writes cringe romance novels. She has around 100 novels published.
She isn't cringe herself but her buyers are.
Her book is very simple, as if an 8th grader wrote it. She is the Twlight of the romance world.
>>7970785
>1 percent of people own 80 percent of the world's resources
really? jesus. i'm lucky
>>7970787
>Why do you care about these facts, OP?
Great question.
I care because I'm doing market research. As a Kindle Publisher, I need to understand markets. Books don't sell if there is no market for it.
Secondly, it's very interesting peeping into the lives of other people. What makes them read, say, Game of Throne rather than a history or science book? Why are adults compelled to read children YA (Adults reading Harry Potter etc)
Also, having a understanding of the pleb taste is very profitable. After the release of "50 shades of grey", many Indie kindle publishers wrote spin offs like "Taken by a Billionare" or "The Billionaire Party" and they made $100k+ USD etc.
Oh, and I like cringe stuff to laugh at.
>>7970774
On the other hand, the two bestselling books of all time are Lord of the Rings and the Hobbit, which isn't honestly a pretty good outcome given its peers (Fifty Shades, Harry Potter).
>>7970774
>>50 percent of people will never read a book after they finish school
I only read one book DURING my school days, and I feel extremely blessed by this fact because retard failure-in-life English teachers didn't get to ruin the experience of reading literature for me.
I've seen them ruin it for many of my classmates though. (Of course I wasn't asleep 100% of the time.)
This author is a Kindle Publishing multi-millionaire. Notice the title: "shades of vampire".
You don't have to be clever to make money off publishing books - just understand pleb taste.
Women liked vampires and 50 shades of grey ... so you just combine them and voila! Shades of Vampire.
Again, kudos to the author. There is nothing cringe about making millions. But her fan base is cringe as fuck, they're like bronies.
>>7970800
>On the other hand, the two bestselling books of all time are Lord of the Rings and the Hobbit, which isn't honestly a pretty good outcome given its peers (Fifty Shades, Harry Potter).
Yeah but The Hobbit and LOTR was published LONG before Harry Potter and 50 shades of grey, so you have to take that into account.
>>7970805
I know, and they both outsold Tolkien as a series. It's a ray of pretty good in a sky of endless shit.
>>7970801
>I feel extremely blessed by this fact because retard failure-in-life English teachers didn't get to ruin the experience of reading literature for me.
Yeah my high school English teacher was pretty fucking cringe. He was a dweeb who drove a shit car and, more likely than not, a SJW
>>7970818
>Total percentage of U.S. families who did not buy a book this year 80%
>Total percentage of adults that have not been in a book store in the past 5 years 70%
The cringe is real.
>>7970830
Ewww yeah, I would say 95 percent of high school teachers are cringe shit, it's like a plumbing job for middle class people.
It's not even a real job, when you're working 6 hours a day and get a 3 month vacation every day (2 months summer break + misc breaks throughout the year spring break, Christmas break etc)
>>7970839
>It's not even a real job, when you're working 6 hours a day and get a 3 month vacation every day (2 months summer break + misc breaks throughout the year spring break, Christmas break etc)
Even I know that's bullshit, anon.
>>7970832
how the fuck is that cringe worthy?
>>7970832
>what are libraries
>>7970818
Mine was pretty based. She got me to read Faulkner and Nabokov for the first time, and encouraged me to pick up writing proper literary fiction. She also managed to bring in professors from the big university nearby to lecture us, so we got pretty quality instruction.
And this was all at a public school.Plus she was young, hot, and had tattoos.
>>7970832
>what is ordering online?
>>7970839
>work six hours a day
AHHHAhAHAHAHAHA WOOO BOY
Your papers don't magically grade themselves, kiddo. Not to mention many schools have mandatory attendance for out of school events, staff meetings, and lesson planning.
The three months off is nice, but the pay is too garbage to consider the job cushy.
>>7970913
It's funny, 'cause it was my history teacher that did that for me. But he suggested Thus Spake Zarathustra to me, but the dumb thirteen year old I was only remembered "Zarathustra" and ended up reading about Zoroastrianism. Still interesting as fuck.
>>7970803
Christ, couldn't she at least though of a better title, something like 'Shades of Red'.
>>7970832
book stores are the cancer responsible for the rest of the shit mentioned here tbvf
This shill spent 3 minutes explaining what she snacks while she's reading a book, and of course, she is affiliated with the snack company and gets money every time someone orders using her promo code.
Again, nothing cringe about making money; she is a smart Jew shill making money off dumb people.
>>7970795
>1 percent of people own 80 percent of the world's resources
Factually untrue can't believe people fall for this meme
>>7970790
>She is the Twlight of the romance world
twilight is the twilight of the romance world. twilight is literally a romance novel
>>7970797
>What makes them read, say, Game of Throne rather than a history or science book?
they read for entertainment
>>7970797
oh how positively cringe xDDDDDDDDDDDDD
>What makes them read, say, Game of Throne rather than a history or science book?
The fact that it has engaging characters and storylines, provides escapism and is accessible. your elitism isn't impressing anyone.
>Why are adults compelled to read children YA (Adults reading Harry Potter etc)
>children YA
Children's fiction and YA are both separate genres, in case you didn't know. Young Adult novels are aimed at young adults. There are a lot of reasons why someone would read Harry Potter - to understand the monumental cultural significance of it, to bask in feelings of nostalgia (it was first published in the 90s), and just for simple, easy escapism/enjoyment. Can someone please tell me what is so wrong about reading just for pleasure and not in some grand quest to better yourself and reflect on all the "deep" aspects of life and philosophy?
>>7971012
>reading for pleasure
>/lit/
>>7970921
>thirteen year old
>reading Nietzsche
lol, you should both kys
>>7970919
Found the teacher. God damn, y'all are as bad as stay at home mothers squawking, "um...actually, it's the hardest job in the world," crap.
Being a teacher is cushy as fuck. Boo-hoo you have to attend the school play and talent shows. You get 3 months of the year off (in b4, "um...actually...no, we make lesson plans and are forced to attend new training), the second you get tenure, short of getting caught diddling kids it's nearly impossible to get fired, and then since your god damn bullshit ass union is so fucking big, you hold the state hostage to give you bigger and bigger pensions to do even fucking less in retirement. And then you have the gall to say how unjust it is when someone suggests testing to weed out the good from the bad teachers, and oh wait here comes your union again calling for another strike.
Teachers are a god damn joke and one of the primary reasons this country is going to shit. They should all be fired, tenure abolished, pensions renegotiated, every public school turned private, and then forced to reapply for their jobs.
>>7970925
Why would she bother putting in the extra time and effort that that would require.
It would make absolutely no difference to the sales of the book and her entire motivation is money.
People who buy this shit, buy it regardless.
>>7971012
kysmm
>>7970832
>paying for books
>>7971039
>not paying for books
>wonders why literature and reading is dying
Gun to head. Pull trigger.
>>7971054
We don't really need new novels, there's already enough stuff to cover a lifetime of reading and contemporary novels are mostly garbage money grabs
>>7971075
>this is what retards actually believe
>>7971080
Top tier argument.
>uh huh ur dumb ! HA HA
>>7971086
If you use "we don't need new novels" as your justification for just downloading everything you want for free, there's no point in arguing with you. You're a lost cause. A waste of time.
>>7971098
Sounds like you can't refute him.
>>7971023
I support testing teachers to make sure they aren't shit, but you have to be out of your god damn mind if you think we get paid well. Also, tenure isn't as easy to get as you think.
But abolishing the education system as we know it only to open it up to worse wages is fucking stupid. The only reason there are so many garbage teachers is because unless you have a weird desire to teacher a certain age group, the best and brightest (or even just good and bright) have no incentive to teach kids.
You want better teachers, fire the idiots and raise the pay for the new positions significantly so it isn't a bunch of washouts.
>>7970774
Money and fame are his only chance.
>>7970790
My mother has around 40 of her books.
They have big letters and small ammounts on text on the page.
The books would be only half as big if the letters weren't that big
>>7971148
First of all, you sound like a freshman who's mad about their high school experience I doubt you "work" at the college as any more than a work-study.
Second, raising the pay to attract better teachers would solve that. Lowest common denominator educators wouldn't be the only ones interested in the job meaning the hiring pool would be bigger. College level pays more, so more people are interested and the schools have more choices when it comes to finding motivated people.
>>7971148
lmao.
Here is your post fampai.
You dropped it
>>7971012
>There are a lot of reasons why someone would read Harry Potter - to understand the monumental cultural significance of it
Holy fuck. Back to lel reddit you go.
I hate "young adult" as a phrase.
You are either a "youngster" or you are an "adult"
This whole "don't hurt me I'm having a phase,I'm evolving like a pakamon" thing makes me throw up.
>>7971263
Grandpa,get off the internet, you need to go to physical therapy for your hip.
>>7970998
yea it's actually 99% of resources
>>7971295
fuck off,I actuall had physical therapy.
This is too close to home.
>>7971023
Is that you, Donald?
Skillet is not a bad band
>>7971326
you're fired
>>7970803
>Book 26
why are the masses the way they are?
>>7971102
He did, you claim that there's no point in modern literature so we should just give up. That makes no sense; if we give up on modern literature there will never be good new lit
>>7971104
Competition in the market place raises wages
>>7971962
Because they're cringe. They don't read for self improvement or better understanding of the world, they read for entertainment.
>>7970774
he's like i'm ready to give you the dick now baby, forever will i do it. im ready to do you now
>most users here will have a 4-month passing interest in reading before they move to another board
>>7970818
who cares about his car?
>>7970774
Nice picking and choosing.
It's like when people complain about Justin Beiber or Miley Cyrus. They might be millionaires, sure, but the highest selling music albums are still Thriller, Sgt. Pepper, and Dark Side of the Moon.
>>7970797
At the simplest level, people watch more youtube videos than movies. If a person had the exact same affinity for romance novels and high literature, they would inevitably spend more money on romance novels because they are written with the intent of being easy to read.
>>7972420
You're right, I shouldn't make fun of his car but he was a cringe SJW none of the less.
>>7970795
>the 80 richest people own more than the poorest 4 billion
>>7971962
They do not know it, but they do it.
>>7972432
Bah, it's still a disgrace that The Davinci Code sold that much. Fuck Dan Brown.
>>7972763
So?
>>7973011
>>7972432
>but the highest selling music albums are still Thriller, Sgt. Pepper, and Dark Side of the Moon.
that's just as fucking tragic
>>7972432
>Lolita
>Russian
wat the fuck
>>7972900
>The Davinci Code
Yeah The Davinci Code is pleb tier.
>>7970998
do I smell an an-cap or right libertarian?
>>7971023
When did /lit/ become populated with all of these right wing idiots? This is the stupidest fucking shit Ive ever read on this board. Even if teaching was cushy, it should be. Its the most important job in society. Without teachers knowledge does not get passed down.
>>7970919
How fulfilling is it?
>>7970994
Not really, its just corporate brain washing at work. They just want her to advertise for them, make people want a product because "Its what my favorite dip-shit youtuber uses!" Shes just using the advertising revenue to try an monetize her hobby, which comes from the company being advertised.
>>7971339
Please stop smoking crack. I know no one else cares for you, but im here to tell you I do!
>>7971980
Yeah but I dont think we should make education "competitive" education is about helping people.
>>7971023
>you get three months off a year
>Don't you try to argue this with any actual facts, I'm right, okay?
>Unionism is bad
>Lets just ignore the precedent of a pre-union society, where worked were constantly abused and treated unfairly,
>Teachers are a god damn joke and one of the primary reasons this country is going to shit
The teachers aren't at fault, it's the higher ups in the education system making bullshit curriculums. Most of my teachers were extremely passionate and quite knowledgeable about their topics, and willing to learn if they weren't. Though the teachers in less challenging subjects were worse teachers, and generally gave less of a shit, so maybe that's your issue?
>They should all be fired, tenure abolished, pensions renegotiated, every public school turned private, and then forced to reapply for their jobs.
I'm not even going to try to address this, it's just ridiculous.
>>7974260
Im not sure hes even been to a school before or met a teacher for that matter.
Oh god, people like things I don't? Guess I better kill myself.
>>7970803
Yes, now force yourself to churn out page after page of pandering schlock without killing yourself.
I'd rather be a telemarketer.
>>7974313
>Went to school
Judging from his reasoning skills, not likely.
>>7971263
So then just call them manchildren? Stunted adults? Millennials?
>>7972185
True.
>>7974313
Seems pretty unlikely, seeing as he lacks even a basic knowledge about the history of employee rights or how the education system works.
It's always interesting how you can so clearly see when a /pol/ or /r9k/ poster leaks over onto this board though, it's way more obvious than anywhere else.
>>7970994
>watching booktubers
How do you people do this? Read a peer reviews article if you must but don't watch crappy booktubers.
>>7971023
fucking unionists, in short, unions threatening to sue and waste everyones money if we don't do what the prole says. No matter how slim the chance of them actually winning it's still a huge waste of time and resources
>>7971018
That means you really aren't as smart as you think you are anon.
>>7974569
>Spend months reading and analysing the text, writing various essays and holding discussions
of course this is more comprehensive then reading a book a week you dense cunt
>>7971022
Are you implying that a thirteen year old is not the perfect reader for Nietzsche?
>>7970994
>the way her eye color matches her hair
She is a qt3.14
>>7971023
This right here. You want better teachers, you want a better education? Put it on the market.
>>7974200
Do I smell ass pained red?
>>7974210
Spooky.
>>7974210
>Without teachers knowledge does not get passed down
Cant tell if bait
>>7975722
here is your (you)
>>7970790
>around 100
Its got to be more than that
>>7975722
>>7971023
Wow mates, please chill for a moment.
While it's true that several prominent economists (most obviously Friedman) have called for privatized education, there's several negative effects of privatization that makes it undesirable in practice. Most obviously you have the problem that better education leads to better financial outcomes later in life. If education is completely privatized, poor families will be unable to afford it, and most likely stay poor forever.
There's definitely room for improvement, but the slash-and-burn Ayn Rand route almost certainly isn't the way. Some people have very interesting ideas about vouchers, but the only way to implement that properly would likely necessitate an increase in the overall education budget, something people will most likely not want to do.
>>7974260
Let's also acknowledge that unions aren't inherently good, they're just another factor in the market. They do provide collective bargaining rights, which is important (as it protects employees from employers with market power), but unions themselves can get market power, which can be quite dangerous. A shitty union can do just as much harm as a shitty boss.
That being said, most teachers' unions in America are alright. New York may be an exception, and my own high school teachers all hated their union (which supposedly had some of the highest fees in the country despite doing almost nothing), but I don't think that teachers' unions are bad on the whole. That being said, I'd need to see an actual study before making any value judgement about this.
>>7970774
Romance fiction thrives because women are whores and tend to hive mind when they find a "saucy" book and then pat themselves on the back because they feel smart they read the literary equivalent of a Big Mac sandwich
>>7970774
>50 percent of people will never read a book after they finish school
I've read 60 books since I graduated design school.
Am I part of the 1%?
>>7975722
is nothing sacred?
>>7971012
>Harry Potter
>monumental cultural significance
Pick one.
>>7970808
But isn't Tolkien just stupid wizards and orcs crap for dorks?
>>7970832
>Americans
>>7971023
>this country is going to shit.
Which country?
>>7971012
anti intellectualism on /lit/ of all places?
>>7971012
>reading for pleasure
The highest pleasures in reading come from literary works, because of their artistic depth and intensity.
>>7975722
I like the voucher system. Let the public education stay the shitty default, but let parents choose other schools if they want.I actually wish I'd been educated online so I could test out and get my bullshit certificate and not waste 45hr/wk of precious youth with factory drone indoctrination.
>>7970774
Those are some scary facts, but still not as bad as that guy's tattoos - HOLY FUCK those are bad.
>>7978879
He didn't say anti intellectualism, he said it's possible to get enjoyment out of reading a simple book occasionally.
>>7971012
Way to miss his point entirely. It's his career to analyze readers, dipshit. He didn't appear to be making any judgments about them.
>>7970790
>The Twilight of the romance world
Nigga I've read Twilight and I'm 100% certain Steel's novels can not be anywhere close to the stratospheric heights of cringe Twilight reaches. Also Twilight is romance. It's YA supernatural romance, but it's mainly (very shittily written) romance.
Never read anything from Steel but I believe it's impossible for her to be as bad as Twilight
>>7970797
These literature and there's escapism in book form. Same as there are intelligent magazines and then there are gossip rags that mainly feature gossip, shit paparazzi pics and some "fashion" pages on how to imitate some celeb's look on cheap crap available from the high street chains for under fifty or such. There are also intelligent movies, and then there are mind-numbing comedies.
Sometimes people (and some people) choose to empty their minds via consuming media and relax, instead of wanting something challenging that'd make them think. Romance and Fantasy are escapism.
>>7971252
>>7978854
Not them but it's true. The effects it had on how YA and fantasy started to get seriously shouldn't be underestimated. Also it was a MASSIVE cultural thing when the books were coming out, for around 5 or 6 years non-stop, everywhere. A generation of kids sort of grew up reading. There hadn't been book series where people literally dress up as the characters the world over and gather to wait outside book shops for the midnight opening before that. Not a lot after, either.
Also, it got a lot of people into reading. That shouldn't be underestimated, either.
Harry Potter was a seismic cultural juggernaut. It may not be great literature, but it was influential as fuck and if you try to deny that you're just blinded by "it's just YA, it can't be significant" bias.
>>7977969
To be fair, women read romance novel, men watch porn.
>>7970774
>used to browse cheesy romance novels in book stores
>every single one is about a woman who gets kidnapped, raped, and then falls in love with her captor
Why are women so disgusting?
>>7979905
A lot of women probably feel that way about men and porn, you know, the fantasies presented in porn aren't that gentle and loving and sweet either
>>7979923
Yeah but that would be like if every man had a ballbusting and cuckolding fetish, which would be equally disgusting.
>>7979955
what...?
>>7979955
so wanting to inflict pain on people is somehow less disgusting than being a masochist
>>7979965
I'm equating being into getting kidnapped and raped with getting cucked and having your nuts crushed.
One is a very common fantasy for women, the other is a niche thing for men.
>>7979827
>I've read twilight
I assume you'll be letting yourself out?
>>7970774
My brother's ex once admitted to me that the only books she had ever read in her life were the Sweet Valley High series. I kind of miss that little firecracker.
>>7979875
It's true because it's one of the few books most people will ever read. I've met people in college who still refer to HP as their favorite book.
>>7974584
She's a filthy capitalist whore. Get some taste, mate.
>>7979955
Seriously what?
Also most of the romance novels I've browsed seem to follow the pattern of
> spirited and charming yet middle class or struggling heroine
>handsome man appears
>he's an asshole
>turns out he's a billionaire and also a duke or a viscount or some shit and also oozes sex
>arrogant and condescending
>heroine doesn't like him and is spirited and independent
>there's some dreadful trouble, possibly with a nonprofit or a charming local business or whatever
>mysterious benefactor in the wings (guess who)
>meanwhile heroine slips and twists her ankle
>handsome asshole hunk appears and carries her into safety
>in the rain
>let me get you out of those wet clothes
>insanely passionate sex
>snark and insults in the morning
>this will never happen again, what a mistake
>some more shit developments
>man I hate that guy but he's so hot tho
>dude buys her something ridiculously expensive but is a dick about it, what a douche
>I think about him all the time, must be due to hating him so much
>forced time limit plot device ex machina
>suddenly a tragedy in the dude's past reveals itself; he's not an asshole, he's just hurt
>oh god I love him how can I have been so blind
>teary-eyed confession after some dramatic twists
>some more passionate sex
>dream wedding
>heroine insanely rich now lol with a strapping hubby I can't believe it I'm so happy
Occasionally the man will be overly controlling (presented as being commandeering or whatever) but usually it's not "rape", it's the man being insistent and the woman wanting to tell him to sod off but eventually unable to resist the swirling storm of passion that's been brewing within her since that fateful afternoon their eyes first met 5 days ago at the country fair, or something, she knows it's wrong but wants it so bad.
My late grandma went crazy for romance novels in her last decade, our summer place has literally piles of this stuff and not many other books to read. Did you know Harlequin had a service where you could get that shit delivered to your house on a twice-monthly basis? I didn't.
>>7980003
Nah, I'll be here, lurking, occasionally posting, and you'll never know if the person you're discussing with is me or not.
>>7979846
Yes, I'm aware that plebs read fiction for entertainment. Thank you for pointing it out.
>>7979875
I agree that it was a big cultural thing in the early 2000s but
>got people into reading
>they only read Harry Potter
Doesn't really count
>>7979875
Thank god I know which people love Harry Potter, so I can away around from those cringe people.
>>7980021
Yeah, people who read romance novels are pretty fucking cringe, just like white men who get off cuck porn.
>>7980082
I didn't get huffy about it. I said thank you in a sincere way, because your post is well thought and written.
>>7980129
Oh I see, I misread your tone. Sorry bout that and thanks
>>7976320
Just keep the public option, but let savvy parents have vouchers if they want.
The tards and rejects will go public and serve as an underclass to exploit and feed off of.
The potential middle classers with good genes will go to the new private options and not be contaminated with mediocrity.
It's a win-win for everyone.
Did someone say cringe?
>>7981683
topkek
