SJWs BTFO. Also: wincest.Ian McEwan
http://www.theguardian.com/books/2016/apr/02/ian-mcewan-criticised-over-transgender-remarks
He has... Some good points, and some bad ones. There is this horrible victim complex in a lot of the circles containing the transgender population, but being transgender is not a new thing. It's been going on for centuries. It's only now getting the publicity that it has because of the internet and the gay rights movement.
I'm trans and I hate most trannies. They're self-righteous, demanding cunts who think screaming "DISCRIMINATION" at people is going to make them accept us.
There's hardly anyone in my life who knows I'm trans. To them, I'm just a dude they know, nothing weird about me. Very close friends know that I have no penis. And people I want to fuck, of course. That behavior is why people accept me, because I want to be treated like a man and so present myself as a man, not a transgender rights activist.
Act the way you want to present yourself, and there won't need to be a question of trans rights. They'll just be.
/pol/ here
redpill me on literature
>>7878788
"Nonbinary" people have hopped onto trangender rights and diluted them. It's just hilarious because with their "everyone can be everything" feelgood, don't hurt my feels nature they actually undermine and question the struggles of transgender people. By making what you identify as just a choice like coffee or tea, they invalidate the argument for transgender people suffering from a disorder that deserves to be treated (such as with hormones and surgery).
Basically it sucks.
>>7878788
isn't that the opposite of what is common for MTF? Namely, presenting as a woman while bearing a penis? Would you mind saying a little more about how this situation arose? Very interesting.
>>7878833
I'm not MTF. I'm FTM.
He also addresses a big conflict between feminist who are transwomen inclusive and those who aren't. Just because a man put on lipstick and a skirt he doesn't become less of a threat for women and if feminists want to create safe places or just places of female privilege no man should be able sneak his way in.
See also the drama around the movie Tangerine featuring a transwoman taking revenge against a ciswomen with verbal and physical abuse. Played for hilarity or empowerment.
>>7878819
Wait, does his nametag say "homo"?
>>7878851
https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%9E%D0%9C%D0%9E%D0%9D_%28%D0%A0%D0%BE%D1%81%D1%81%D0%B8%D1%8F%29
>>7878846
shoo shoo roastie
>>7878857
Wut
There's really nothing new here. Just a restatement of opinion.
Science is on the tranny's side... look up endocrine disruptors. Now imagine your mom ingests a bunch of them while pregnant with you. Congrats, you're now malformed and haven't been properly masculinized.
This should be a national health issue.
>>7878855
GEE I SURE WOULD LIKE TO READ THIS
TOO BAD IT'S IN COMMUNIST
I get the gist though. Figured maybe the photo was flipped.
>>7878805
It was the fucking jews all along
>>7878867
>Science is on the tranny's side
Not if you're a transtrender.
There are male and female, and there is abomination.
The rate of mental illness among trans 'people' should disqualify them from having any rights in society
>>7878878
This.
Fuck transtrenders.
This bag of jujubes sent death threats to my tumblr when I posted pics of dudes with twats and called them "cuntboys".
I'm FTM. I call MYSELF a cuntboy.
>>7878888
> tfw gengar is your fav pokemon
> tfw no friends to trade you a haunter
Life is suffering
TERFs pls go
I really liked The Children Act. Looking forward to Amsterdam and Solar. And there is nothing you guys can do to stop me and calling me a pleb again will NOT deter me from reading these books. It, in fact, makes my satisfaction all the greater.
>>7879031
Who says he writes pleb fiction? I think it's pretty great. very euphoric stuff
>>7878734
U G H
G
H
>>7878870
made me chuckle.
>>7878888
>>7878819
>>7878788
>>7878819
Today I learned /lit/ is the least cancerous board on 4chan.
>>7878888
>dudes with twats
88/88 proves no such thing exists, familia. you know it as well as I
>Stonewall condemned McEwan’s “uninformed views” as “extremely sad”. In a statement it said: “The complexity of gender identity extends beyond genitalia. Trans people need and deserve acceptance and equality. This sort of commentary doesn’t just denigrate the trans experience, it denies its very existence, and that’s especially hurtful for a group of people who have spent their lives fighting to be heard and understood.”
>Human rights campaigner Peter Tatchell described McEwan’s stance on gender as a form of “ethical authoritarianism”. He said: “There seems to be a league table of oppression, where some people fight other people to claim the title of most oppressed. This disempowering holier-than-thou rivalry was never what identity politics was supposed to be about.”
anyone else still get a kick out of stuff like this
>>7878868
OMOH is POLICE or ARMY in Russian.
>>7879163
4chan has always been full of trannies for some reason
I don't understand the problem that people have with trannies. They are neither men nor women. They are men simulating a women or vice versa. And how is wanting to change your self so drastically not a mental illness though? Redpill me
>>7879311
it is a mental illness, depending on how you define it. But according to decades of studies hormones do seem to be the most effective treatment
>>7879311
Feminization of men is a source of social anxiety because a society with feminized men cannot protect itself from outsiders.
>>7878788
thank you
>>7878788I unironically believe FTMs are not and can never be men.I'm sorry.
>>7879420
I think letting dicks be women and vaginas be men is a good thing for our society, because it emphasizes the idea that ACTIONS make a man or woman, not biology.
I have no problem with a FTM calling themselves a man if they actually understand that men are supposed to protect and provide for their loved ones. i.e. not let immigrants in to blow shit up and rape everyone. Carl the Cuck is not a man, regardless of his genitals.
>>7879444
nye's trips
I wiki the guy in hope of remembering who he was, and then I realised I never knew who he was or why he should be famous. Still, hoddy up and cheers for that commend mr. McEwan!
>>7879452
could've claimed them on /pol/, though
>>7879163
I have a tumblr for porn.
It's a fairly nice place for porn.
>>7879263
because internet addiction tends to go hand in hand with perversion
I used to be a pervert myself
>>7879478
his novel 'Atonement' is very good
>>7878819
>such as with hormones and surgery
Why not with antipsychotics? Even after hormones and surgery, a very large portion of transgenders end up killing themselves. Maybe instead of indulging gender-dsymorphic notions, it would be better to just treat the gender dysmorphia itself.
>>7880824
Is dysmorphia a form of psychosis?
They give out anti psychotics for almost everything but I somehow doubt it would help trannies.
Plus then where would all the nice traps go?
>>7880851
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/8839957
Yes
>>7879444
>I think letting dicks be women and vaginas be men is a good thing for our society, because it emphasizes the idea that ACTIONS make a man or woman, not biology.
and emphasising the idea that actions "make" a man or a woman and not biology is a good thing for society because?
>>7878788
Why do we trust people to "identify" as a certain gender?
>>7879311
It is a mental illness but apparently even that is now considered transphobia
>>7880824
I don't think antipsychotics really address whatever went wrong in the fetus development (if something actually went wrong). Antipsychotics are just short-term treatment to calm you down, aren't they?
For such a tiny minority, they sure have a lot of influence, wielding that "zomg respect us, how dare you deny our experiences" weapon.
Fuck 'em, not literally of course.
>>7881010
Sometimes I feel like I'm living in some sort of a bizarro alternate universe where people willingly hand over immense political power to special interest minority groups.
>>7878788
american trans people are truly the worst. i feel pity for your dumb country
>>7878734
It's an illness, one of the only illnesses the treatment of which is to encourage it.
Imagine getting an infection and asking the doctor for more bacteria to be strategically swabbed on the infection site. Crazy, right? Liable to kill you right?
If trans people are really doing what's right for themselves then why is their long term survival rate so low?
>>7881032
They have enough influence to force everyone to pretend that Caitlyn Jener is totally normal and a-ok
>>7881035
>force
yeah they have a gun to my head right now. all of them
>>7881032
>>7881038
Not to mention the profit to be made exploiting well meaning people's compassion for political leverage / capital.
and the support is incredibly inconsistent and vague as well. Equality is a pretty word that looks good on paper and sounds good when said out loud but no one seems to think critically about what it actually entails or what it even is, much less consider the possible larger moral, ethical and legal implications.
>>7881081
what's the problem?
>>7881038
the government doesn't hold a gun to your head to stop you from doing bad things. they have laws and social conventions.
I've noticed a correlation with """"liberals"""""" and this kind of speech pattern.
>A expressed statement
>B mischaracterises statement and adds snide sarcasm / snark
>>7881090
>the government decides social conventions
Ever since I was a little boy sitting on the toilet wondering when my tits would start to grow I've had some pretty fundamental gender issues. It makes me really depressed sometimes to think that I'm not a woman. And living in this age of insane trans-whatever bullshit really does piss me off. Of course it's a mental illness - it's not normal to be a man and want to be a woman. I've made my peace with that and I don't go out claiming to be a woman and getting weirdo surgery and taking hormones - I wear a dress sometimes in private and I accept that I am what I was born as. Why do these people have to take it beyond that into the realm of complete madness? Why do they make me feel even worse about my own condition by making it by-association theirs?
>>7881090
If you had any intellectual integrity you'd notice that it's not only """""liberals""""" who have that speech pattern. It's all the pseuds on this site.
>>7881091
I've said nothing of the sort.
certain laws arise from mandates created by social norms.
>>7881094
point out where I said only """"""liberals"""""" do this, or imply that you must be a liberal to speak like such.
>>7881095
stop forcing me to read your inane rambling
>>7881092
my sincerest sympathies.
I can only hope that medical science progresses to a point where these illness becomes treatable.
>>7881098
how fast can you backpedal?
>>7881100
Is this your idea of a trap?
>>7881102
so you can't.
>how fast can you backpedal?
ask yourself that one, it applies to you, not me.
>>7881109
stop being disingenuous
>>7881110
you seem to miraculously be aware of the inner workings of my mind, so confidently imputing intent and "real hidden meaning".
>>7881032
enough influence to ruin just about anyone who doesn't have the money or power to defend themselves.
>>7881113
it's pretty easy to infer from your wording what you meant and even easier to tell you weren't setting up some sort of logical misdirection
>>7881120
your inference is your own problem, not mine.
and this conversation is pointless.
>>7881121
it is pointless because you know as well as i do what you were initially implying. how fast can you backpedal?
holy fuck every argument on this god forsaken site reads like the ramblings of literally insane people.
you people are so deep in the fucking memes that you aren't even coherent anymore.
>LGBT people think they can guilt me and use argumentum ad populum to make me think a person with a vagina is bad
>People are actually falling for it
I want off this ride.
2+2=4
>>7881124
if you say so. Impute intent all you want, makes no difference to me.
Here, I'll even grant you that conservatives are guilty of that kind of behaviour.
Did I scratch your pathological itch for signalling your conception of chic centrism?
>>7881102
>>7881106
>>7881109
>>7881110
>>7881113
Can you fags stop arguing? I'm trying to read and it's distracting.
>>7878734
sad day when an opinion, rationally and clearly expressed, is dismissed by semi literate activists as hatred.
>>7879165
>trans experience
so is this their admission of "I have no objective grounds for any of what I have to say"
>>7881137
doesn't it seem odd to you that his statement was broad enough to apply to literally any form of self-identification but he specifically chose trans people as an example? it's the hot-topic these days and his argument can be applied to gender-based marketing as easily as it can trans people. the point is that consumer culture is ridiculous but he specifically chose trans people to make an example of
he fucked up and he's not that smart
>>7881141
like you said, transsexuality is topical.
and what's so bad about taking transgenders as an example?
Fucking degenerates.
>>7881154
plz stop spamming this pic, i'm going to use it to catfish later so i need it to be rare
>>7881148
transgenderism as a notable example of how ridiculous it is that the self is commercialised?
>>7878788
how do you feel about the overrepresentation of MTF?
>>7881177
it is A notable example, is it not?
>>7881180
if you're transphobic, sure
>>7881185
what the fuck
>>7881185
> Implying being transphobic is bad
> Implying being transphobic isn't the true patrician lifestyle
>>7878788
Kill yourself, freak.
>>7881193
Some people are retarded because of their ideology.
>>7881032
Enough influence to force laws contrary to public morals through systematic propaganda over decades in most western states. It's not the transvestites themselves, it's someone else. But denying that propaganda on a massive scale has completely changed our anthropological views and our sexual morality is a hard position to defend.
trannies are essentially "men" who watch so much porn, they start self-inserting as the woman in order to jack off.
they're fetishists who chop of their balls and inject hormones for the purpose of masturbation. I've never heard of behaviour more obviously symptomatic of mental illness and desperate need of help
the fact that 50% of trannies end up killing themselves makes it perfectly clear that these people are fucked in the head.
>>7879031
The Children Act was great. I felt a little broken after reading it.
You should read Atonement.
>>7881202
transgenderism isn't a contemporary phenomenon so yes it would be 'wrong' as in factually incorrect to say it is a notable example
>>7881224
What's really fucked up is that psychologists know this but they're too lazy/stupid to fix them so they just let them chop their dicks off because they'll be "happy" for a little while longer before finally jumping off a bridge, while also pushing for widespread social change in order to accommodate them. This is the only thing they can do because they can't figure out anything else and they're too pussy to either tell these people that they are seriously fucked up or admit that they don't have the answer.
Caving and taking homosexuality out of the DSMV has led and will lead to the acceptance of all sorts of debauched sexual mores.
>>7879311
>They are neither men nor women
>They are men simulating a women or vice versa
Reread this and realize that you just contradicted yourself.
>>7881253
It was the Jews.I actually mean it, Hilaire Belloc was right
>>7881262
men simulating a woman = men ??????
>>7881276
>neither men nor women
>they are men
>neither men
>their are men
>>7881276
>a dog acting like a cat isn't a dog
>>7881194
i didn't imply that at all. transphobia is transphobia. whether you're transphobic or not doesn't matter, just so long as you're honest about it
>>7881290
>dogs have a socially constructed idea of what cats are
>>7881302
>a social construct, by its nature, is 'false'
>>7881302
>social construct was completely invented with absolutely no reasoning behind its contents
>>7881301
I'm not afraid, just disgusted. When did I ever say I was afraid?
>>7881310
>implying I've ever been on /pol/
>>7881307
animals don't simulate other animals. it was a bad analogy
>>7881307
>Transphobia (or much less commonly transprejudice) is a range of antagonistic attitudes and feelings against transsexuality and transsexual or transgender people.
>>7881312
his analogy was perfectly fine
>>7881310
do explain
>>7881315
So I was right?
>>7881312
X is Y
X thinks it's Z
X is still Y
>>7881318
seems like a pretty neutral definition to me. where is the ideology?
>>7881287
>you
>reading comprehension
>>7881316
thanks for clearing that up for me :)
>>7881321
The fact that it's used exactly as I've said. It's like calling someone a heretic, but with a more loose, ideological definition since at least it was always clear what heresy was.
It's also wrong because it assumes prejudice, antagonism and existence of a thing such as transcending your sex and making a difference between sex and gender.
>>7881315
which in itself shouldn't carry any moral judgement.
if all a phobia is "a range of antagonistic attitudes and feelings" against X group then in order to be free of phobia of any kind is becoming a kumbaya happy go lucky hippie.
>>7881315
Xphobia, as it is now, is little more than a political snarlworld used to paint any opponent as suffering from a sort of pathology, a mental illness.
>>7881350
This tbqh
"ur xphobic" is pretty much always used to silence opposition
"Wow, the Qu'ran contains some pretty terrible shit. Maybe this is the reason why Islamic terrorism is on the rise"
"STFU UR JUST ISLAMOPHOBIC ISLAMISTS ARENT REAL MUSLIM, AS SOON AS SOMEONE BECOMES A RADICAL HE ISNT A TRUE SCOTSMAN ANY MORE!!! #NOTALLMUSLIMS"
>>7881337
you may as well be saying
>plant acts like a rock
>>7881356
Literally what
Are you fucking retarded?
>>7881339
so it's not an ideological term but it is used ideologically. ok
>>7881362
>i can't follow my own logic :(
no fucking shit. it was a bad analogy
>>7881339
but i didn't use it like that so i'm not sure where this line of argument came from or what it's purpose even is
>>7881368
Plants can't act, you retard.
Your argument was essentially:
>X is Y
>X believes that it is Z
>Therefore, X is Z
Can you not see how stupid this is?
>>7881378
but cats acting like dogs totally makes sense
this cat believes that it is a dog!
>>7881378
Dogs can. So can humans. The argument could have easily been
Human thinks himself pig, but he still isn't a pig.
>>7881354
and I don't understand how the mere act of accusing someone of Xphobia is in any way a counterargument.
It's the purest form of ad hominem.
>>7881380
This was an analogy, not an example. Have another one, maybe you'll get it this time around:
>a crazy person believes that he is the reincarnation of Napoleon
>Therefore, he is the reincarnation of Napoleon
According to your reasoning, that is.
>>7881378
are you fucking retarded
>>7881383
True. But so many people use it, it's scary. And this is commonly accepted as a valid argument. It's sad, really.
>>7881198
Kill yourself, moron.
>>7881386
that isn't my reasoning at all. all i did was argue against the single analogy of dogs acting like cats because it makes as much sense as plants acting like rocks. it's not comparable to gender acting like another gender
>>7881392
I've had many encounters like this.
>"You're an islamophobe."
>"Even if that was true, it's irrelevant."
>>7881392
it's no more accepted than reddit is as an argument
>>7881402
It's not a problem in personal relationships because anyone actually using the argument is intellectually inferior to the one who isn't since he won't be able to argument further, outside ideological babble anyway.
The problem is when you have legislation by the EU being pushed as anti homophobia and whatever laws.
>>7881406
/lit/ isn't a political body capable of passing legislations so forgive me if I am lax about /lit/'s fidelity to good argumentation
>>7881400
It doesn't matter if dogs can think that they are something that they are not, this is why this is an ANALOGY. I used it to further illustrate the concept you were proposing (transgendered people being neither male nor female because they believe that they are the other gender, see this post: >>7879311 ), which is fucking stupid.
>>7881411
neither are the 'so many people' using xphobia to shut down opposition. i think you're conflating a lot of things here
>>7881406
Maybe not on 4chan
But calling someone a racists irl will pretty much destroy him, at least here in Europe
>>7881413
analogies still have to make sense, which is why i said you 'may as well' said that plants believe they are rocks to illustrate the same point before you got all mad about that because plants can't believe they are rocks
is it clear now?
> the concept you were proposing (transgendered people being neither male
i just said that wasn't me. my only response was that the analogy wasn't very good
>>7881219
You're pretty close to the truth, but not quite. Transexuals have attraction to the other gender, so much so that they want to be the other gender. It's like a child wanting to be a superhero, or a man wishing he was famous, or a girl wanting to look pretty. But hey, at least we have NEET 4chan psychologists who took one course of it in high school to tell us that anything weird to them is completely, 100% wrong.
>>7881417
i don't see the point in trying to hide racism behind 'neutral' rhetoric in the first place. that's why people get so buttblasted when they get called out on their racism
>>7881407
I agree.
It's a little disheartening to be attacked by people when I criticise anti Xphobia laws -- the issue isn't whether I personally think it's morally permissible to be for example anti gay, the issue is 'should states be allowed to legislate acceptable thought'.
People can't get past their personal feelings about a tangent and miss the point all the time.
>>7881415
parliamentarians are using loaded language to push their policies. did you think this through?
>>7881427
>acceptable thought
maybe you missed the point
>>7881426
>i don't see the point in trying to hide racism behind 'neutral' rhetoric in the first place. that's why people get so buttblasted when they get called out on their racism
what?
>>7881431
you've already categorised him as crazy. it's a loaded analogy
>>7881433
maybe explain my error before posting a worthless smuggie comment
here, I'll reword it.
Should states be allowed to legislate thoughts of citizens in such a way that there now exists arbitrarily decided "acceptable and unacceptable thoughts"?
>>7881432
i don't think you've been thinking it through judging by your vague responses. what relation do the 'so many people' have to parliamentarians? is saying 'you are xphobic' to shut down the opposition really an exercise in 'loaded language'? i don't know what you mean and i think that's because you can't adequately explain your position since you don't know what you mean either beyond 'ugh leftists'
>>7881438
>legislate thoughts
you did it again. the state isn't (or wouldn't be) policing peoples' thoughts
>>7881435
I give up.
>an analogy has to be 100% accurate for it to be valid
Please enlighten me by posting your own, superior analogy.
>>7881442
>the state isn't (or wouldn't be) policing peoples' thoughts
Oh boy, you've obviously never been to Germany
>>7881406
what the fuck are you even trying to say
>>7881439
what? what are you even talking about?
>>7881434
people aren't being dismissed as racists because they're openly admitting they're racists. they're hiding it behind ideological views and pretending it's a neutral expression of what is rational or natural. it only works as 'shutting them down' when people don't actually realise or embrace the fact that they are being racist
>>7881439
I've clarified my position but you seem to want to paint me as your conception of some right wing caricature. go ahead.
>>7881446
do they have some sort of mind-reading machine there? boy those nazis really invented everything
>>7881442
Wew
Legislation if enforced is one of the most powerful ideological weapons. Having x is bad enforced for anything is a way it imposes itself on the individual. It's a way to deal with political enemies. Anyone who doesn't bake a cake for gays could be persecuted and have their property taken away and bear the stigma in day to day life.
>>7881457
>they're hiding it behind ideological views and pretending it's a neutral expression of what is rational or natural.
Well, what if it IS rational?
>>7881442
anti discrimination laws are exactly that.
and this is where you'll invariably say something like
>what?? you don't like anti discrimination laws? you must secretly want to lynch black people racist!!!!
>>7881462
Nah, but we have laws that will prevent you from saying "racist" (whatever that means these days) things. If you are cencoring free speech, you are essentially censoring thoughts.
>>7881458
you haven't clarified it at all. you've gone from talking about 'so many people' to parliamentarians specifically for no reason or any acknowledgment of having done so. at least show some sort of consistency
>>7881462
so since the government isn't literally stopping you from committing crimes, you're saying laws don't exist?
>>7881457
work on your grammar or something because I cannot understand what you're trying to say.
>>7881463
you missed the main point which is that the state can't legislate thinking because it can't tell what you're thinking
it's ideological to suggest the state is acting as thought-police. i'm not even a statist and i know this
>>7881474
so break down your gripe, because I'd love to hear it.
I'm not the anon that said "so many people"
>>7881465
it isn't rational it's dishonest. data is data but as soon as you suggest any single kind of action as being the solution then you're headed down the road of ideology, especially if you're trying to involve the state
>>7881474
this nigga retarded fo real
>>7881470
discrimination isn't measured by thoughts but by actions
>>7879072
Had the same experience.
>>7881481
this must be a variant of the "do Christians have free will" argument
>>7881473
>essentially
the essence of speech is thought, not the other way around
>>7881494
I'm literally at a loss for words.
>semantic pedants
>>7881477
i don't follow
>>7881499
Please tell me how someone is supposed to form opinions without having access to varying views.
>>7881502
do you honestly think 'legislating thoughts' is at all accurate to any law that has ever passed in the history of laws? do you think the interpretation of law goes by "well essentially if you censor free speech you censor thoughts!" or do you think it goes by the literal words of the law?
>>7881508
i bet on some other thread you'd be arguing "don't tell the rapists to stop because they're going to rape anyway"
>>7881511
seriously, am I having a stroke or does anybody else understand what this guy is trying to say
>>7881519
shame on you.
>>7881481
>you missed the main point which is that the state can't legislate thinking because it can't tell what you're thinking
And my point is that it can, in ways that aren't directly 'you will now think this'.
Certain kinds of thinking are opposed and legally persecuted and the fear of punishment makes people avoid spreading certain things and in term killing that way of thinking. This is now possible more than ever with mass media and supervision of personal communication
>it's ideological to suggest the state is acting as thought-police. i'm not even a statist and i know this
It's ideological to think the state shouldn't thought police, but seeing how it does in certain countries and certain areas through media and legislation isn't ideological at all.
>>7881534
i'm thinking about breaking the law right now. i will post again when the police arrest me for my thoughts
>>7878734
Fuck off, dude.
You're a man. It is that simple.
Surely, you understand that you want to be a man because of chemical imbalance and upbringing. Throw in some other seemingly insignificant events that have happened to you over the course of your life, here you are... ''I'm transgender now, dad''
Trans people say the same shit as gay people. You know, ''It's not my fault I'm gay''... it's true they can't help it, but do they need to act on their fantasies?
The answer is no.
Being biologically faulty isn't and shouldn't be encouraged. We live to reproduce. Every single tiny detail about us is linked to finding a mate and reproducing in one way or another.
So right now, as of this moment in history (and it's been the same for thousands of years) reproduction is the meaning of life. You are failure in human form.
Also, where does it end then?
I can't help being a bank robber, a thief, a rapist, a killer?
Before you say ''But being gay or transsexual doesn't harm anyone''... Think about it.
You could argue that being gay is worse than murder, through the eyes of mother nature, or in other words... Survival and longevity.
You're entire existence can be simplified down into just a step in the direction which will ultimately lead to the fall of man.
It is still possible to believe in inferiority even when you are the inferior.
It is still possible to believe in survival of the fittest when you are not the fittest.
You just require a strong will.
>>7881523
he's on an internet high
>>7881537
wew lad
confirmed shitposter
>>7881537
You are incredibly thick.
Which term would you prefer to thought police?
Expression of opinion police? Would that sate your massive autism?
>>7881537
oh for fucks sake
are you the same faggot that had an autismo fit over analogies?
>>7881415
different anons retard
>>7881519
Nice argument tbqh :^)
>>7881538
>imposing ideals on biology
is/ought
step it up scrub
>>7881564
i thought it was relevant enough. i mean there is 'thought legislation' about rape but that doesn't prevent it from happening, just as it wouldn't prevent dissenting opinions
>>7881558
>is it really my fault you both got so upset by the slightest criticism of your logic?
It's your fault you don't understand the concept of thought control. Other anons and I seem to understand the term perfectly well and so has everyone else I've spoken to on the subject so it seems to me that the general meaning of the expression is very clear, unless you have a severe case of autism
>should i have just let you reach your dumb conclusions so you could keep your dick out for the next person to stroke it?
Well you didn't achieve anything as far as that goes so you might as well.
>still haven't been arrested by the way. will keep you posted
Tell me, if you were in a communist country that banned expression of national identity and pride and you wrote a short poem and were reported for it to the government and sent to an rocky island to move stones from one side to the other for 5 years, would you count that as an attempt to control the thought of the population?
>>7881566
nice false equivalence brudda
and to think you try to project this ridiculous image of being logical
>>7881566
But it makes dissenting opinions a lot harder to come by (which is a bad thing), just like you rarely meet rapists on the street (which is a good thing).
>>7881567
it's not my fault everyone you seem to talk to is stupid
>would you count that as an attempt to control the thought of the population?
if you took what you are saying to it's absolute conclusion you would be rallying against ideology in general rather than just the leftists and the communists. you'd be rallying against anything that you observe. you'd rally against the person who jokingly told you not to think of pink elephants
i'm not sure you know what a thought is
>>7881578
Your autism is too heavy
>>7881583
>it doesn't mean people can't form them
Yes, this is exactly what it means. If you only have access to one source of information, you will only be able to form a small array of opinions.
Jeez.
>>7881586
so racism isn't natural after all!
>>7881585
i hope one day you achieve your dream and no longer are we held accountable for threatening to murder someone
>>7881598
of course not because you've been (trying to) subtly change the argument from being about racism and xphobia to one about simply 'dissenting opinions' like those of a poet punished by a totalitarian state for his art.
you're worried that racism will be erased and that's a bad thing because people will have less opinions to have.
>215 posts
>12 images
>48 IPs
This board is about a hundred people who take everything seriously getting relentlessly trolled by a dozen shitposters.
>>7881607
I never talked about racism, buddy. I will now though.
>you're worried that racism will be erased and that's a bad thing because people will have less opinions to have.
No, I'm worried that being *called* racist when one actually isn't racist will destroy free speech eventually. Stop putting words in my mouth, asshole.
Also, yes, even racists should be allowed to express their opinion.
>>7881607
>of course not because you've been (trying to) subtly change the argument from being about racism and xphobia to one about simply 'dissenting opinions' like those of a poet punished by a totalitarian state for his art
It isn't subtle at all and they are essentially the same thing, being uncommunist of the day is close to what is trying to be imposed on xphobias. There's no real difference between the couple who lost all they had because they didn't bake a cake or the grandparents whose grandchildren were given to two homosexuals and banned from seeing them and the poet who was sent to the gulag. It's the same type of political oppression and thought control. The fact that the opinion in itself is different and opposed to a different ideology changes nothing about the nature of the oppression.
>you're worried that racism will be erased and that's a bad thing because people will have less opinions to have.
I'm not, we literally don't have blacks here. Everyone is white.
>>7881612
>Also, yes, even racists should be allowed to express their opinion.
Hate speech isn't free speech.
>>7881617
>Hate speech isn't free speech.
Uhh, yes it is.
Also, please define 'hate speech'.
>>7878788
>being transgender is not a new thing. It's been going on for centuries
>its a 'boys played girls in shakespeare therefore it's normal for a man to cut off his cock' non-sequitur post
>>7881621
Hate speech is in sane countries calling for violence towards a specific group.
For example saying sodomy is unnatural is not hate speech. Saying we should maim all gays is hate speech.
>>7881621
Hate speech is any speech that provokes psychological distress in the victim. If a transphobic remark hurts a transgender person, the perpetrator should be jailed and liable to be sued for damages.
>>7878867
>Congrats, you're now malformed and haven't been properly masculinized.
That just means you're a deficient male. It doesn't mean you are a woman. A table doesn't become an iPhone if one of its legs is crooked. Transgenderism is not supported by science or the application of basic critical though.
>>7881628
'natural' is a politically loaded term. of course it's 'hate speech' to say some aspect of human behaviour that occurs and has occurred since it was first recorded isn't 'natural' because that's just an outright lie targeted at a specific group of people (forgetting lesbianism or hetero anal sex, or just the idea that not all male homosexuals engage in sodomy)
>>7881629
All rights of all people in western societies are affirmed. Nowhere does the theory of natural law which is the basis for rights, and here I'm assuming you adhere to it as you mention rights, affirm that putting your dick in other men or demanding respect for dressing like a girl as a human right.
You as an owner can offer your services to anyone if they are not generic and refuse to others (so I must serve coffee to a transvestite, but don't need to bake a cake for a gay wedding considering its again my personal beliefs).
>>7881634
No it isn't. You are by your definition bound to pay me a fine because you are causing psychological distress in me with your aristotlephobia. You seriously hurt my feelings by denying categories and teleology of nature.
>>7879336
A swift clip around the ear would work better but that's off-limits in these politically correct times we're living through.
>>7881628
Alright. And why shouldn't calling for gays to be killed be considered free speech again?
>>7881629
>so you want to prevent people from calling others racist. sounds pretty free
You can call people racist all you want. But I'm gonna call you out on it. As long as you don't pass laws that make it illegal to do so, we're perfectly fine. But laws like this exist all over Europe.
>>7881634
This post hurt my emotions. You should be jailed.
>>7881650
>This post hurt my emotions. You should be jailed.
You hurt mine first with your vigorous opposition to my opinion. You would be jailed already if I had my way.
>>7881660
>missing the point this hard
>irony is completely lost in this guy
There is no hope for you
>>7881647
ah yes the natural law of business ownership and service
>>7881650
well tell me when people who aren't racist are getting arrested for being racist
>>7881639
>'natural' is a politically loaded term.
Also philosophically since it used to be the basis of western society with the natural law and all being affirmed since the great revolutions and after the great wars.
>of course it's 'hate speech' to say some aspect of human behaviour that occurs and has occurred since it was first recorded isn't 'natural' because that's just an outright lie targeted at a specific group of people (forgetting lesbianism or hetero anal sex, or just the idea that not all male homosexuals engage in sodomy)
So if I said that fucking animals is bad and should be legally punished it would be hate speech because it's in your completely unideological view natural and happens between consenting goats or horses and men?
>>7881650
>Alright. And why shouldn't calling for gays to be killed be considered free speech again?
Because free speech and freedom in general is limited by the rights of others (here their right to safety for example as it could bring to violence in some cases)
>>7881674
>consenting goats or horses
hmm
>>7881678
You can tell whether it's enjoying or not by the groans it makes... if they're groans of pleasure, you should be able to continue (so long as the goat isn't a minor)
Don't ask me how I know this, I'm a native of Morocco
>>7881686
check my dubs
>>7881678
Actually the great and mighty country of America is making the difference, it isn't illegal to have sex with consenting animals. I'm aware that it's completely retarded and in conflict with larger legal theory, but hey, now you know, if the goat doesn't run away, she likes it and gives consent.
>>7878734
Atonement was the worst fucking book I had to read in high school.
What makes this old piece of shit an authority on anything? What a snide, smug moron.
>>7881674
>Because free speech and freedom in general is limited by the rights of others
Well, it shouldn't be. Nice normative argument doe
>>7881699
It should because freedom otherwise wouldn't exist. It would become an anarchy. It's also the same reasoning on why murder isn't allowed for example.
>>7881711
>It should because freedom otherwise wouldn't exist
>It would become an anarchy
>freedom wouldn't exist
>become an anarchy
Something's fishy
>>7881711
If freedom isn't free, what is?
>>7881720
Anarchy isn't freedom, it's chaos.
>>7881722
You forgot a spurdo
>>7881711
>t should because freedom otherwise wouldn't exist. It would become an anarchy. It's also the same reasoning on why murder isn't allowed for example
Well, you could still persecute muderers, even if there is absolute free speech.
>>7881734
>Anarchy isn't freedom, it's chaos
Topkek
>>7881735
Not if you want to be internally consistent. You should obviously not punish 'hate speech' as severely as murder, but the logic is sound.
>>7881745
Eh, not really. Also, 'hate speech' is used in a far broader sense these days. If you were to introduce a law that makes hate speech illegal, it would probably be abused a lot an fairly quickly.
>>7881773
Posted over 20 replies, got quoted only once, feels good
>>7881784
I'm aware of the abuse, but the problem is wider than the 4 lines of legislation of 'hate speech'. I think we shouldn't have that as an institution, but instead have calling for violence or offence of honour through lies or similar, less ideological institutes.
Hate speech is a bullshit term, but in some countries the legislation makes sense, or used to 15 years ago before the progressive shills took over everything, everywhere.
>>7881820
I think so too, hence why I called him a retarded autist tranny.
