>Joyce said that the ideal reader of the Wake would suffer from "ideal insomnia" and, on completing the book, would turn to page one and start again, and so on in an endless cycle of reading.
Has anyone ever attempted multiple readings of Finnegans Wake in one sitting?
What would you do to survive this 100 hour+ endeavour?
>>7797257
>Has anyone ever attempted multiple readings of Finnegans Wake in one sitting?
Jesus Christ
Is The Entertainment just Finnegans Wake: The Movie?
>>7797257
in that pic you can see the fart spectrum all around his head
>>7797257
Sounds like a job for either cocaine and amohetamines for most people. Harold Bloom can probably read the Wake fast enough to do it more than once in a single acid or shroom trip, either one of which would keep him awake for the duration.
Is it advisable to do amohetamines and shrooms at the same time?
>>7797291
joyce loved farts. it was his own personal aura.
>>7797291
>>7797303
>write the greatest works of the English language
>get known as a fart lover because some jerk released your private letters
>>7797323
in a society that values gossip and smut, it's a cold and harsh reality. then, again, most people know and respect joyce because of his works far more than they do his private fetishes.
>>7797303
>ftw can't read joyce cause I'm not mentally able to put effort in the books of guy that eats farts.
Every time that I pic up "a portrait of the artist as a young man" I imagine joyce prone over a bed in the act of receiving a fart in his mouth.
t-thanks /lit/
>>7797323
I don't think any less of him. I have feet, anal, and incest leading to pregnancy fetishes. Anal is one of the most popular categories in porn
>>7797350
>incest leading to pregnancy
A man of taste
>>7797350
is anal even considered a fetish?
>>7797302
>Is it advisable to do amohetamines and shrooms at the same time?
to me personally that sounds like a bad time, but my amphetamine xp is limited to only a few times
>>7797323
At least he's memed through a particular piece of prose, instead of, say, his suicide.
>>7797385
obviously
>Has anyone ever attempted multiple readings of Finnegans Wake in one sitting?
Is this an effective way to learn many new languages at once?
I lived with a girl that would do ass to mouth, including just sticking her own fingers in her ass and then in her mouth. Do you guys think that secretly she was Joyce reincarnated?
>>7798799
That depends, was she into farts?
>riverrun, past Eve and Adam’s, from swerve of shore to bend
of bay, brings us by a commodius vicus of recirculation back to Howth Castle and Environs.
Am I losing my grip on reality or is this really the beginning of the book? This doesn't make sense!
>>7798799
Sounds pretty interesting. Did she also drink from the toilet and reuse tampons?
>>7797350
Anal is one thing, eating farts is a whole other ball game.
>>7798813
>This doesn't make sense!
>>7798813
Read past the first 2 lines.
It doesn't get better.
>>7797607
It's a good way to forget how to speak normal english
>>7799017
it gets way better
>>7797323
>>write the greatest works of the English language
Sorry, Joyce is good, but the greatest English works are those of Shakespeare.
But I agree with you: there are far too many stupid jokes about that one letter; there is always some retard to make the same joke over and over again.
>>7799906
go back to r/books
>>7800031
His language is the greatest of all time, the greatest poetry in all languages. This is much more important than anything else in literature.
How can one be so blind when it comes to art?
>>7797323
Why is her tit hanging out like that?
>>7800031
Why do you think that Joyce is superior to Shakespeare?
Why do you think that Shakespeare is superficial reading?
Why Joyce is not superficial if Shakespeare is superficial?
>>7800059
>>"How can one be so blind when it comes to art?"
All the fart talk made me read that last word as fart.
>>7799906
>>7800080
Shakespeare elevated the English language to high art
Joyce collapsed the diametrically opposed polemic of high/low into truth
It's not that Joyce is "smarter" or a "better" writer, it's just that he is the pivotal figure in literature that is closest to us with regards to time and the progression of literature as a dialectic conducive to truth.
It's like comparing Augustine to St Thomas
Both pivotal and most likely a genius in their own time but to say that Augustine is more sophisticated or a better theologian is to profess an ignorance of the theological tradition.
When you say that "Shakespeare wrote the greatest works of the English language" you're professing an ignorance of the literary tradition at the same time as you profess an unfounded appeal to the current popular opinion.
You're a confused political science major wandering into a physics conference and taking personal offence when nobody is impressed that you "really admire Einstein's work"
>>7800932
>you're professing an ignorance of the literary tradition
I dont give a damn about tradition or literary history.
Shakespeare's language is more beautiful.
Shakespeare created more characters.
Shakespeare created more masterworks.
Shakespeare worked with more subject matters in his corpus.
Above all: Shakespeare was the greatest poet of all; Shakespeare was the best in the creation of metaphors (that even Aristotle mentions as the supreme ting in poetry).
So there it is: it is simple as that: 1 + 1 = 2. Who cares about "literary tradition"? Also, you mention science: in science the works of the old are much more important into the whole building. You will not have a Newton or an Einstein when the world is not ready for them with the works of their predecessors serving as base.
In art, however, Individualism is much more important. Screw the historical period or tradition: the best is the best, period. And in the end art is a kind of competition.
>>7800966
>doesn't give a damn about the literary tradition
>claims to understand Shakespeare and Joyce
>claims to understand any literature at all for that matter
>reducing literary merit to an analytic statement
I wish /lit/ captchas were minor book reports so that some basic reading comprehension was needed to post
>>7800966
But Shakespeare isn't a meme.
>>7800966
>Shakespeare created more characters.
this is always the most retarded thing people say about shakespear, guess what stephen king and dean koontz created a fuck load of characters too considering they wrote 50 million books filled with dozens of dudes, so the fuck what, we all met thousands of people in our life, it's not hard to grab a couple hundred personalities and throw them on the page...idiotic criteria, only an actor hungry for gigs would give a shit about many characters someone creates
>>7800985
you are wasting your time with your university course
>>7801026
>>7799906
>about that one letter
>one letter
>implying
Actually, I love reading his love letters. They are beautiful in their own way.
>>7801025
Read the rest of the post: the more important thing is the language, above all other things in his work, his language. Once again: the language. He does in one single play more than other poets (famous poets) do in their complete works.
>>7801037
Agreed
I'll still take Joyce's oeuvre over Shakespeare's
>>7801025
Not to mention that many of Shakespeare's plays were adaptations of existing stories. How much creativity went into them is debatable when the plot and characters were already mostly done, and just expanded upon.
>>7801056
May i ask why? If language is your thing why dont you go for the one who handles it better? There are countless "the dead" last paragraphs in shakespeare.
>>7801126
Because what Joyce does with language is more beautiful (in my personal opinion) than Shakespeare's undeniable mastery
This isn't to belittle Shakespeare in any way, as a wordsmith and poet he is arguably unmatched in his native tongue and his plays can easily be called the height of the format.
Despite all this Joyce is better.
Dubliners is one of the greatest, most subtly theophanic short story collections ever written and an achievement unto itself, but I agree that if this was all he had written I would have to concede to the Bard.
His collected poetry is again, fantastic, but Bill has got him beat on that front as well
and then it begins
Portrait is the greatest Künstlerroman ever penned. Hands down, case closed. It also marks the genesis of the Chiastic structure that would find full expression in Finnegan's Wake with the first two pages foreshadowing the structure of the rest of the novel, as well as the rise and fall structure of each chapter (which was predicted with the Icarus reference in the Ovid quote at the beginning). Structurally (and arguably in content as well, with the last chapter especially standing testament) this is more sophisticated than anything Shakespeare ever penned.
Ulysses is the culmination of modernism. Each chapter shows Joyce practically playing with established literary techniques while simultaneously outdoing any previous work done in such a manner (it's a damn good novel as well). None of that matters. The really incredible thing about Ulysses is that it is an unprecedented semiotic powerhouse. Reading and really comprehending Ulysses is unlike anything I have ever experienced before. You feel like you're seeing the entire history of man and myth stretch all the way to the city streets of Dublin, and it leaves you in literal awe. Shakespeare is good, but this is Joyce, the greatest literary mind of his generation, firing on all cylinders and utilizing all the tools that nearly three hundred years of literary progression could afford him.
Finnegans Wake then takes all pretext of popular appeal and finds Joyce using language to express more than just material reality or even present ideal reality, but a comprehensive ideological history of the linguistic man that will still be studied and misunderstood centuries from now. Comparing anything Shakespeare wrote to this would be like comparing the Dardanelles Gun to a nuke.
no but i reguarly jerk off multiple tiems in one sitting
>>7801223
>Finnegans Wake then takes all pretext of popular appeal and finds Joyce using language to express more than just material reality or even present ideal reality, but a comprehensive ideological history of the linguistic man that will still be studied and misunderstood centuries from now. Comparing anything Shakespeare wrote to this would be like comparing the Dardanelles Gun to a nuke.
How did you managed to understand what he is writing there? It seems really a particular language, something that does not make much sense outside from the mind who wrote it.
>>7800966
>me edgy anti-modern rebel who love shakespeare
>my autism tell me to love bigger shinier dick and put in me mouf
>>7801326
Sometimes it seems to me that you guys pretend to like more the minor writers just to feel better about yourselves and your own production.
In the critical threads we see hundreds of paragraphs that resemble Joyce and Pynchon, but never anything that resembles Shakespeare (or Nabokov or Melville). Honeslty, I think it hurts less in you people to say that less able writers are better: it's like by doing so you defend yourselves and your own egos.
>>7797270
Amphetamines are your friends
>>7801406
people write more like pinecone because he's nearer to the present
>>7800966
>who cares about 'literary tradition'?
>art is a kind of competition
nigga I like shakes too but you're going all out
>>7801126
>There are countless "the dead" last paragraphs in shakespeare.
This.
And that last paragraph is by far my favorite thing in Joyce: it's so beautiful.
>>7797323
>writer of the greatest works of the English langauge
>Irish
How ironic.
>>7800932
Since when is popular opinion in academia that Joyce is better than Shakespeare?
How many people on lit have even finished it? I finished it recently and didn't even bother to make a thread as I felt the number of legitimate replies would be almost non existent
>>7801037
Joyce is the fucking master of style though
>>7804551
You'd probably get a few sincere replies if you made a thread (with a lot of memeposts). /lit/ has a decent silent majority that actually reads and provides discussion (when they want to).
>>7804473
He's saying the other way round bub
>>7804551
Considering about a span of 300 regulars, I'll go with about 10, maybe.
>>7801223
Grade A post bud
>>7806052
I upvoted thanks to you! ;)
>>7806052
Am I the only one that finds the colloquial "bud"/"buddy" really condescending?
