Is Atlas Shrugged one of the greatest pieces of modern literature of all-time?
>>7746753
Unironically: yes.
>>7746753
Yes, unless you're a statist, socialist, or collectivist retard.
>>7746753
I'm going to read it after I'm done with crime and punishment.
I'M VERY EXCITED
>>7746778
statist detected
>>7746753
Yes I enjoyed it. Is it sound philosophy? No.
It's an epic. As a depressed teenage autist, it inspired me.
>>7746828
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I find that teenage autists (and teens in general) tend to gravitate towards unsound philosophy that's told in an exiting, epic method than something more critically thinking that's simply less entertaining or just less entry-level. I unfortunately am speaking from experience here- if a person is lacking a purpose, they tend to latch on to something inspiring, no matter how flawed it may be.
I'm abouy half-way through it now. The biggest problem is how black and white it's presented. Objectivism doesn't seem like the worst thing ever, but the way it is presented through big industrialists and the shit eating businessmen who try to fuck them over really makes it hard to see it in a good light. Basically, the characters are totally unrealistic, they are essentially caricatures; some of d
them are fucking hilarious though. If I were to recommend it to anyone else, I'd honestly tell them to read it as if it were a satire.
>>7746753
>>7746778
Remember when /pol/ was satire?
>>7746778
Honestly this.
People ironically replying to ironic threads is killing /lit/.
It wouldn't even be that bad except that there is an Atlas Shrugged thread almost everyday.
>anon makes ironic thread about shit book (not necessarily Atlas Shrugged)
>other anons ironically praise it
>newfigs come on
>see thread
>think it's all unironic
>read book
>finally get that it was a meme
>make their own thread hoping to trick others as they have been tricked
>the cycle continues until the board is almost entirely shitposting and unironic threads about non-meme books all 404 with 0-3 replies
>then post irony kicks in
>people now make unironic threads about shit meme books
>the ironic and unironic post begin to look exactly the same
>basically what happened to /mu/
>>7746990
isn't what you said the opposite of autism though? I kinda always thought autism was about abstract systems and so on, not anything epic or exciting. I mean I think people who like Rand are fagz, but autists? nah. On the libertarian spectrum that would be the ones who are anal about contracts, property rights imagined ancap utopias, stuff like that
>>7747297
But this is brilliant, because it raises the barrier of entry and lowers 'serious' discussion at the same time. Do you seriously think some pimply fucking 20 yr olds regurgitating their lit 101 college professors are capable of having a serious discussion about real literature? Posting pseudoirony about pseudointellectual drivel is about as qualified as this board ever gets.
I still remember the Dostoevsky is better than Tolstoy threads, the fucking cringe factor of the people saying Tolstoy was boring. You could almost see them pausing between words to check their phones out of sheer unstimulation. There are people here who unsincerely like Nietzsche. NIETZSCHE. The guy who is used as a fucking joke about entry level angsty teens in the 90s before all of these labels like hipster, yuppie, postmodernist, lukewarm latte, were even used. The era of grunge, New Age, goths and other misguided children, at least they believed in nothing.
Personally I think its beautiful. If you want a serious discussion about literature you need to talk to people who take themselves seriously and actually read. 4chan is for unfunny failures who queue up to stand in front of a stage and fart into a microphone. Then circlejerk each other in this vacuum chamber, where reeeeeee no girls allowed! used to be the slogan now its no normies, meanwhile anyone spending more than 1 week casually browsing this board quickly realises- (1) these are kids (2) they're underachieving and academic failures (3) they don't read. Go to any other board and do a comparison. If it's called science and mathematics, it'll be underachieving kids not doing science and math. If it's called travel, underachieving kids not travelling. music? underachieving kids not listening to music.
Why does this happen? Well being anonymous allows you to be accepted even as an incredibly mediocre person, it's a little safe space where no matter how much of a loser you are in the real world, here you can be a little authority with your memes and shitposting. It's obvious that any original or intelligent posting gets either ignored or screamed down because that makes the vast majority of losers here uncomfortably reminded of their status in life and how inadequate they are.
The lowest dumbest people's ideas rise to the top, because floating shit is easier to scoop up. How naive are you to think anyone on this website would actually know what theyre talking about? It's an ANIME message board with ANONYMOUS members and ZERO moderation. You couldn't get more street gravel than that.
>>7748324
well, you certainly are sure of yourself
>>7748324
Dostoevsky was better than Tolstoy.
>>7748324
y'know, there are some pretty sincere people on this board. i don't think you're being entirely fair, really.
>>7746753
Better question yet, if this was CIV5, would it be the great work of literature?
>>7748542
Thems fightn' words.
(I would agree, but I've never read either in their native tongue so I can't really judge)
>>7748324
WellThereItIs.jpg
>>7746990
It's not just them buddy,every weak minded individual likes reassuring words no matter how stupid they are. I'm not talking about religion here. I'm talking about bare human stasis,do we really crave digestion of lies and closure of our eyes to the harsh reality? We're all so awfully guilible and dislike taking blame and risks. Look at how we submit to authority. How did we end up so cucked.
>>7746753
>modern literature of all-time
>>7746753
post yfw youll never get your 60 dolaridos back.
I'm not finished it yet but I have a feeling that this was merely a stepping stone for rand to work out her ideas. Haven't read her essays or anything else someone has wrote but so far this feels like she's trying to paint the framework of her ideas. Should be interesting to see how it unfolds. Even if it's her stepping stone to philosophy it's an interesting read for me so far. It doesn't matter if I agree with her ideas or not or what anyone else says with respect to rejecting objectivism. You don't have to subscribe to the ideas in order to appreciate her thoughts on epistemology
>>7747013
There is a point to the characters being presented as totally good or evil to the bone. Ayn was writing in absolutes, she was very influenced by Mickey Spillane and other pulp authors, she also had a deep admiration for Raymond Chandler and Ian Fleming.
AS is one of my favorite books ever. Moving plot, great characters (in the sense that HeMan and Skellator), idealic speaches, breathtaking images. It is also a pretty good sci.fi story with engines running on static electricity, super metals, death rays, mountain sized holograms, alternate history earth 1950s.
It is a great pulp, mystery, scifi. The philosophy you can agree or disagree with, but the differences in belife is what moves the plot and like buying into he central plot of HeMan or Transformers its there and it sets up the difference between the good guys and bad guys.
Amazing writing, brings a lot of elements together in an elegant way, you can see the work she put into it. But you can also read it as a highly eolved pulp, like Doc Savage or The Shadow or Flash Gordon. When reading it I imagine it looking like Bruce Timm's Batman He Amimated Series.
>>7751472
>AS is one of my favorite books ever
post discarded
>>7747013
>big industrialists and the shit eating businessmen who try to fuck them over
wait, what? what's the difference?
>>7751533
feel the bern u collectivist kike
