I'm reading a lot of Mishima's work right now and I'm already worried I'll reach the end of it soon.
Can you recommend me any authors who share his aesthetic vision? I want to read about beautiful death and violent elegance. The Japanese historical context is also interesting but not necessary.
>>7729643
>beautiful death and violent elegance
Try any edgy teenager's diary.
The Iliad
Storm of Steel
The Saga of the Volsungs
>>7729685
Well if you can point me to any published ones I'll check them out.
>>7729691
It seems like your suggestions are all about historical, factual accounts of war. Obviously I haven't read them, so maybe I'm mistaken. But I'm more interested in the conflict of brutality and elegance that defines his style.
I'm sorry if my words don't adequately describe it.
>>7729718
All I ever wanted was to see his cock...
>>7730760
I'm sure every anon here has some sort of repressed urges/fantasies relating back to big daddy Mishima. ;)
Try checking out authors that inspired Mishima, such as Thomas Mann.
What Mishima are you actually reading? The fact that you give no titles is suspicious as fuck.
You probably just read his wiki article, pleb.
>>7731047
Gombrowicz and Bataille inspired Mishima more than Mann ever did.
>>beautiful death and violent elegance
This is where you start watching anime
>>7731266
>Gombrowicz and Bataille inspired Mishima
https://books.google.pl/books?id=AS3gnqncgroC&pg=PA81&lpg=PA81&dq=gombrowicz+mishima&source=bl&ots=3Kp62YKfcF&sig=gmvaCGwJtAaR7BygHEuYFEERjzs&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjO-PiA2IzLAhWEA5oKHd_9DjIQ6AEIJzAC#v=onepage&q=gombrowicz%20mishima&f=false
Shit, you weren't kidding.
If reading Nathan's biography, please think critically. It can be illuminating, but he's so obsessed with 'proving' his main thesis that he doesn't really let Mishima be as 3D as he needs to.
>>7729643
nah
>>7731351
And what is that exactly?
>>7729643
If you replace death and violent with sexy and erotic I would say Junichiro Tanazaki
>>7729643
Junger, Eumswil, Storm of Steel, and my favorite, On the Marble Cliffs.
The Way of a Serpent by Torgny Lindgren
Silence by Endo
No Longer Human by Dazai
Master of Go by Kawabata
They dont espouse the bodily perfection thing, but have a similar prose/thematic aesthetic, while Junger is the traditionalist without being overtly fascist.
>>7731351
The Life and Death of Yukio Mishima was a great book if you dont want to read this one.
>>7731047
Mann was a coward and traitor to his people. The complete opposite of Mishima.
>>7732309
>>/pol/
>>7732309
we're talking about books here
you can at least work the fascist stuff around some sort of relevant opinion
>>7732335
mishima wasn't a fascist tho
he was just a poor guy attempting to escape cosmic nihilism
At least Mishima is not Oe.
>>7732358
i am well aware of this, pleb
>>7729776
I'm still laughing about his initial suicide plan. The whole thing with two guns at once.
>>7730925
>big daddy Mishima
He was Japanese so I doubt there was much to see. Statistically speaking, they're all manlets with tiny dicks.
>>7732309
Mishima was a draft dodging LARPing little faggot, don't delude yourself.
>>7732594
japan's avg male is half an inch off the dick and three inches off the height, from the american. not that much guy.
>>7732623
Americans have small dicks though.
When Trump builds that wall and deports Latin Americans you will probably drop to Japanese levels.
>>7732642
Ive never taken the time to measure my penis before. Just did. 5.75~" erect small? 6 inches seems to be that golden number. Dont know why Im asking this on /lit/, but help an autist out please.
>>7732640
>lol yeah right
He literally was both though. He got himself declared unfit for service until after the war was over, then he suddenly wanted to play soldier. He also organised photoshoots with his friends where he dressed up (or down) and LARPed being struck by arrows or commiting sudoku.
He was just a little sissy with a fetish, the rest was just decoration to justify this.
Pretty much all during/post war jap authors
Kawabata, Dazai, Nagai, Natsume
Usually a lot more muted than Mishima's work, but definitely still present. More internal
>>7732646
depends on where you live famalia, just like being 6 feet might make you tall in asia but average in germanic countries.
>>7732667
it's not roleplay if you do it for real
you're a bristly cunt, so i assume you're american
>>7732683
How was Mishima for real? Threw an awkward hissy fit at an army base, which wasn't taken seriously at all, as an excuse to off himself and fucked up his soduku because his effeminate butt buddies failed to chop his head off while he was stabbing himself in the gut.
It was such a farce and a failure that you should be embarrassed to even bring it up as a dedicated Mishima dick rider.
>>7732717
untimely acts are not meant to succeed, but to indict
>>7732726
Sometimes it's merely a dramatic gesture by a flamboyant queer who was obsessed with dying pretty way before he found a noble seeming ideology to dress his perverse urges up in.
>>7732717
The best part is, he thought he was hardcore for committing sudoku, but he tried to use the elaborate ritualized pussy method where one of his buddies was supposed to finish him off, instead of the actual hardcore form with an additional upward cut and no fag there to finish him off.
>>7731047
Yeats romantic nationalism inspired Mishima. I would also recommended the poet martyrs of the 1916 Rising, Patrick Pearse and Joseph McDonagh
>>7732665
While 6' is not "tall" for most Germanic countries
, it is still above average.
>>7732594
Mishima was probably in the lower 5". Normal for his height, but not horrifyingly tiny either.
>>7732642
Latin American penises are average. The majority of American penises (white, black) are slightly above the average, and as it happens, the statistical average is dropped by--you know--latinos.
>>7732802
>the statistical average is dropped by--you know--latinos.
Whoops, meant: *statistical average in USA.
>>7732802
>Latin American penises are average. The majority of American penises (white, black) are slightly above the average, and as it happens, the statistical average is dropped by--you know--latinos.
Just because you want it to be doesn't make it so, ese.
All available stats have Latinos above Americans.
>>7732835
Even if that were true, it'd be all that spics had to be proud of.
>>7732869
Got em'.
>>7732869
Pre-Columbian Mesoamerican history is bretty cool mate
>>7731256
From the ones I read confessions of a mask, the sailor who fell from grace with the sea and the temple of the golden pavilion were like what I'm asking about. More Wikipedia tier but I also saw the film Mishima which features two other books I haven't read but seem relevant (Kyoko's house and runaway horses)
>>7731047
>>7731266
I enjoyed Death in Venice and see some similarities. He did say Mann was one of his favorite authors. Thanks to both of you.
>>7731691
>>7731954
>>7732664
Thanks.
Also thanks for keeping this thread alive by discussing his penis size. There's apparently an autopsy report including pictures so maybe you can find that on the Japanese web. I've only found a picture of his guts though and some reference to semen.
>>7732592
it would be a pretty dope way to kill urself imo
>>7731351
Aside from having been best buddies with him, Nathan focuses a lot on Mishima's "deviant" sexuality and childhood trauma, doesn't he? And omits any possibility of bisexuality.
I'd rather read Persona. The other two biographies seem pretty flawed.
>>7733063
That discussion was point the high point and the low point of this thread.
>>7733063
Someone get on finding Mishima dick pics ASAP.
>>7734016
It's in this thread, just need to squ... look harder.
>>7734066
D'awww what a cute lil wee wee.
>>7734075
>laughinggirl.jpg
doin it wrong faggot
>>7734538
I dunno man, martial artists can knock down hard people a foot taller than them, make sure you know your dropped soap katas well before you try it.
>>7734559
We would switch off. I mean he probably had to know exactly how to use it with such a tiny pecker.
>>7734066
thats not where the penis is located
>>7735011
Then sketch it better nerd
>>7735011
good thing we've got lit's resident penis expert here to solve the Missing Mishima Micropenis case.
>>7734066
The line on a cut penis doesn't reflect light like that.
>>7735117
check your non-nuked privilege
>>7735137
Fair point. Being Japanese explains the reflection and strange position but not being cut.
I guess you could make it your life goal to find the original negatives which I'm sure have all the information.
>>7729718
>edgy teenager's diary
have you tried Anne Frank's diary?
How is the investigation going family?
Has anyone here seen the Masamura film that he stared in?
WHERE DO I START WITH MASHIMI
is there any proof that mishi was genuinely homo instead of just an exhibitionist?
>>7736329
i should watch it now if i can find a torrent.
>>7736513
CONFESSIONS OF A MASK
>>7732646
anything over 5.5 is fine m8
girth is the real deal and if you're sub 6 in that department you're fucked
>>7735429
a fantastic read honestly
>>7735153
When he dodged the draft they cut him as a symbol of being on the side of the Americans.
>>7736751
>dodged the draft
wasn't he to sick to go? for what i remember he wanted to die in the war.
>>7736754
He had a fucking cold.
>>7733063
>mate you've read like three of his books, you still have like at least 7 great works of his left
Is Sun and Steel his magnum opus?
>>7732309
Sick b8. Mann was actually very concerned about his reputation in Germany. He also said that "it is hard to live in exile. It is only made easier by the poisened atmosphere that rules Germany right now. Germany is wherever I am. I carry the German culture with me." (1938)
He obviously felt very attached to Germany, and seems to be some kind of 'true' patriot who loves his country for its culture, values and history; things that he didn't see in Nazi Germany anymore, that's why he emigrated in 1933 right after the nazis rose to power.
On topic:
I think Radiguet influenced Mishima a lot, so check out his body of work (it's pretty small because Radiguet died very young obviously).
Also I think a lot of ideas that he got about death come from (or at least coincide with) Rilke's thoughts about death in the beginning of Notebooks of Malte Laurids Brigge.
>>7736329
Why didn't they give him any lines?
>>7732309
>Mann was a coward and traitor to his people. The complete opposite of Mishima.
Mishima's complex about dying comes from how he escaped a death he felt was meant for him in WW2 because he pretended to have TB.
He was LITERALLY a coward.
>>7736866
Its not even a novel its an essay. The Sea of Fertility is usually said to be his magnum opus
>>7737301
oh it said that he lied about his health and made it appear that he was sicker than he really was.
>>7732640
>lol yeah right
On a number of occasions he spoke about how he regretted dodging draft. He said he was psyched up for war but then when he was being examined by the doctor he said he was frequently coughing, had shortness of breath and would often cough up blood (giving the symptoms of tuberculosis)
There was nothing wrong with him, he was a draft dodger. You can see for yourself with a quick google search.
>>7732751
I like Mishima but I have to agree with this. The "best" way is the cross method where you would slice horizontally and then vertically.
Apparently after they did that, the samurai would cover his face with his hands and wait until he bled to death.
>>7736757
According to my animes the japanese cold is about as lethal as a gunshot wound
>>7732751
>nigga gets his fucking head hacked off with a sword
>not hardcore enough
Who the fuck cares if he dodged the draft and didn't go the most painful way possible. It's almost like he's just a human and a writer and a three-dimensional person rather than the Jesus of your extremist ideals.
>>7736531
Having a 6 inch girth is similar to having a 7+ inch length, so you're basically saying that almost everyone is fucked.
>>7737301
>tfw you will never sit and watch Yukio Mishima documentaries with an interested qt
>>7732751
According to his biographers, his second botched it pretty badly.
>>7737731
If you have 6 inch girth or 7+ in length then yeah every person will likely get fucked by you ;)
>>7737611
>>7737762
See >>7737555
He pussied out by even having a second. If he really wanted to show how much of a badass he was through an anachronistic form of ritual suicide, he should've gone all in and used the most painful one.
Even DFW's suicide was more "hardcore" because he tied his hands behind his back and used a noose to slowly strangle himself to death.
>>7738123
You're mistaken if you think his motivation was to be the most badass there ever was. Can't blame you though considering all the fascists and nationalists and bumders like to make him their big badass daddy.
>>7734554
kek.
>>7736329
I've only seen Patriotism. It was solid.
>>7737762
The final kaishakunin who beheaded both Mishima and Morita is still alive, and according to some sources he became a shinto monk. Pretty badass.
>>7738877
I wish people weren't so fucking ashamed of the Mishima incident. There's so many witness reports I'd love to hear.
>>7737969
top kek.
>>7737287
So what? It's basically his autobiography and it admirably encapsulates his philosophy and worldview as both a writer and a human being.
>>7738904
They should be ashamed of it. In essence, it was just a melodramatic ass bandit putting on a play as an excuse to turn his suicide into a public spectacle.
>>7730925
>>7740787
>>7738123
>>7737544
>>7736757
>>7734538
>>7732751
>>7732717
>>7732658
You've been shitposting for the entire thread now. Exactly what is your motivation here?
Mishima's entire existence is fascinating not only because of his right wing nationalism but because he was the last real example of literary Jap masculinity before it was sent on a path of extinction via the shitty degenerate anime and below-replacement birthrates that we are now seeing post-WW2. Does the fact that Mishima was maybe a closet bisexual, and that his attempt at ritual suicide was botched (dying the way he did was still pretty fucking hardcore, even moreso that it was botched) even matter considering his contributions to literature and aesthetic theory?
>>7740823
Some of those were me, I think those quotes may have been upwards of 3 people.
>>7740849
>>7740885
Well, his post works regardless how many people he addresses.
I honestly don't even agree with most of Mishima's political views and I think many people project their own beliefs onto him and put words into his mouth.
But I can still respect that he lived and died by his words rather than becoming a person he despised.
>>7740823
I'm only three of those posts, personally.
He is not a 'last real example' of masculinity. He's already beyond its reach, therefore he spent his life roleplaying what he considered masculinity to be.
In that sense he's the oriental Hemingway. And like Hemingway, he has a lot of silly people thinking he's the real deal, while the defining, interesting trait of both of them is that they are lacking the very thing they are obsessed with and that they personify the desire to be something they are not, with all the internal conflict that comes with that.
People often don't notice this, and often they don't want to notice it and if I were to guess it is often because the readers they attract are themselves looking for masculinity, and want writers like this to look up to, even if it means making themselves blind to what they are in order to turn them into representations of the thing they strive for.
>>7741019
>He is not a 'last real example' of masculinity
I didn't say that. I said he's the last real example of Jap masculinity, just as Hemingway was a confused and broken artifact of his time, because Jap males on average are nowadays more concerned with staying in their rooms and watching anime and masturbating all day than they are with reproducing to replacement rate.
For all his faults, which include the misguided reach toward "authentic" masculinity, Mishima stands as a swan song for an Asian civilization that has since become vulgar and sad (anime), and thus is a tragic and heroic figure.
>>7741062
Japan is not anime
Consider that you may be biased because you post on an imageboard
>>7741062
Who died and made you an expert on Asian culture? Most people in Japan don't even like anime.
It's like saying European society is in decline because of My Little Pony
>>7741062
>he's the last real example of Jap masculinity
He wasn't that either.
You have a pretty caricatural notion of contemporary Japanese society by the way.
>>7741073
>>7741080
Anime being a degenerate and, aesthetically, a garbage masturbatory distraction is only endemic of Jap decline. It's a symptom, not a cause
Gun to the head, if I had to take a guess, you're ignoring the cause and defending the symptom because you're sympathetic to gooktoons. We're on a gooktoon website after all
>>7741098
>He wasn't that either.
Glad you went back and corrected your mistake
Please enlighten me on contemporary Jap society
>>7741100
What happened in that one year?
So why do you obsess so much over symptoms rather than discussing the cause on /pol/? By the way Mishima liked Samurai manga.
>>7741100
the cause of the low birth rate is lack of adequate welfare support for children, punishing work hours, low pay, and lack of a racial underclass ok with spitting out babies yearly from age 14
adult love of anime is akin to american adult love of superhero movies except more stigmatized in mainstream culture
if you are american, start at home when looking for a pool of useless manchildren
>>7741107
>/pol/ accusations
Really?
Shitpost about "Asian culture" or get off the pot
>>7741107
1966 was the year on the sixty year calendar in which it is considered bad to give birth to girls
Below replacement birthrate is a symptom of civilisation in general. Only savages breed above replacement rates.
Civilisation is anti-life.
>>7741117
It's just the politics board. I guess you can find other placed on reddit or forums too if you want.
>>7741119
Ah, very interesting. Thank you.
>>7741114
>lack of adequate welfare support for children
There wouldn't be a need for the government to play husband to the woman and thus father to the child if democracy and egalitarianism weren't the standard
>lack of a racial underclass ok with spitting out babies yearly from age 14
Strict resistance toward immigration is one of the few positives for the Japs, but it also illuminates why they're dying. You need replacement
>adult love of anime is akin to american adult love of superhero movies except more stigmatized in mainstream culture
I would be the first to criticize capeshit but once again it's endemic, not causal. Capeshit in the west and anime in the east share a common root, and it's too uncomfortable to point this out on an anime website. That there are people going this length to defend ching chong toons on the literature board of a ching chong toon website is predetermined and also sad
>a pool of useless manchildren
The pool of manchildren in America, as paltry as it might be, still have a birthrate higher than extinction (IE Japs)
>>7741122
Thank you based Spengler
>>7741142
>The pool of manchildren in America, as paltry as it might be, still have a birthrate higher than extinction
That's because of Mexicans. America might not seem to be dying out when you look at the numbers, but white Americans are quickly becoming a minority in the USA.
Westerners are getting replaced by savages, Japs aren't, but that's the only difference.
>>7741142
>You need replacement
no you don't, and certainly not at the expense of opening up the borders to retards
>There wouldn't be a need for the government to play husband to the woman and thus father to the child if democracy and egalitarianism weren't the standard
more dank memes; there is no husband in america because you do not get married anymore
>anime website
/lit/ is not an anime website
>The pool of manchildren in America, as paltry as it might be, still have a birthrate higher than extinction
due to your prodigious underclass
enjoy your burgeoning prole infestation
anime is contained in a 2km sq. area; your culture is entirely pleb nonsense
>>7741167
when automatisation really takes off the west is going to look really silly with millions of these superfluous replacement immigrants.
>>7741151
Truly "white" Americans were already a minority since the colonies escaped England, and even moreso since American slavery
You use "Westerners" as a colloquialism but "The West" includes much of Europe. In which case some white Westerners are getting replaced by savages for cheap votes and cheap labour, but they still don't match the abysmal birth replacement rate of Japs
Just admit you're an anime-watching fatass weeb and move on to the next meme-thread about DFW
>>7741167
I hope this post isn't sincere
>>7741179
>Truly "white" Americans were already a minority since the colonies escaped England, and even moreso since American slavery
Is your idea of white anglo only or something?
>You use "Westerners" as a colloquialism but "The West" includes much of Europe. In which case some white Westerners are getting replaced by savages for cheap votes and cheap labour, but they still don't match the abysmal birth replacement rate of Japs
They don't match the birth raplacement rate because there is no one monitoring how much of the reproduction is done by non-ethnic Europeans.
>Just admit you're an anime-watching fatass weeb and move on to the next meme-thread about DFW
I don't even watch anime, but to say Japan is more fucked than the Western world is silly. If anything they're less fucked.
>>7741179
>implying memeshima isn't just as big a topic for shitposting and wankery as DFW
I have a somewhat related question. I can't ask /tv/ because they are very busy with their memes and underage feet.
Are there any good Mishima movies? In style I mean. Not necessarily based on his work or starring him.
Mishima: A Life in Four Chapters was pretty nice. EnjÅ is on my watch list. I guess Mr Christmas Mr Lawrence is somewhat relevant with its death defying martyr theme and a character heavily inspired by Mishima.
His short film patriotism of course.
Maybe Derek Jarman's St Sebastian if you're really into the homosex.
>>7743206
*Merry Christmas
>>7729718
The illiad does share similar themes with Mishima's works such as the link between death and glory making it pretty obvious in the narrative.
>>7743206
I remember from a previous /lit/ thread about Mishima that Ghost in the Shell: Stand Alone Complex had a character and plot line based off of Mishima and his work
>>7741151
>white Americans are quickly becoming a minority in the USA
Hello /pol/ ! maybe if you started fucking instead of being a whiny bitch here that will change.
>>7743206
Merry Christmas Mr Lawrence is good, worth watching
>>7744235
haven't seen the film but I've been listening to this all morning
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kf0HYeQp760
>>7738862
Did you watch the version with Aaron Embry's soundtrack?
>>7744181
>stating facts is /pol/ now
wew
>>7744181
seems legit. NOT!
>>7745670
That's not correct.
The usual interpretation is that Kazundo Gouda and Patrick Sylvestre's essays are based on Mishima - their motives are similar, too (a return to Imperial Japan via a violent uprising)
>>7745718
>Patrick Sylvestre
Who is that? Only information I get is on a Swedish Footballer.
>>7743206
Sonatine.
>>7744181
>maybe if you started fucking instead of being a whiny bitch here that will change.
Kek.
>>7745718
Ah, yeah. I forgot that part, you are correct. It was terrible compared to S1.
>>7746324
*why his mouth doesn't move when he talks
>>7746324
I don't know about fascination. He just went on holidays to Kreta (I think?) and decided to start bodybuilding to look like a hot Greek statue.
They quote him on that in the 80s documentary on youtube. Maybe that's why you remember it.
>>7745723
Same. Who is this Patrick Sylvestre and what does he have to do with Japanese literature?
>>7729685
your diary desu senpai
>>7729643
>I'm reading a lot of Mishima's work right now and I'm already worried I'll reach the end of it soon.
You know you can reread a book right? A book or work isn't 'over' when you finish it.
>>7747114
the weeb is strong with this one.
>>7747119
Omg thank you family
>>7747493
wew lad
NO DISCERNIBLE TALENT DESU.
Bump
>>7750123
Awwww yeah it's a rare Mishima! <3 Thanks family.
>>7750442
No problem family.
https://youtu.be/5wLaND09VF8?t=2m32s
https://youtu.be/5wLaND09VF8?t=4m31s
Does anyone understand Japanese and know what he's having a giggle at here?
>>7736907
holy fuck your exposition on Mishima and his influences is retarded as fuck. You clearly are talking out your ass.
>>7750768
Guy at the podium: "This man (referring to Murakami) , in our country. he is nothing."
*Mishima starts laughing
"Little boy Murakami, little boy murakami"
*laughter continues
>>7750768
he is really canoeing that cigarette. its like he wants to cut 5 years off his life or something
>>7750828
:^)
>>7750837
He clearly did. Maybe he was just a little nervous.
>>7750768
> @4m31s
> ...If there is no Japan, there won't be any Japanese people?
> There will be me.
>>7750965
Or like,
"If there is no Japan, there will be non-existent Japanese people."
"Yeah, I would be one of them"
[followed by some įŽ and some ææ]
>>7750965
>>7750978
Cute.
Thanks mate.
>>7751356
>tfw no qt middle aged Japanese author bf.
>>7750768
politics, culture
the laughs are at the oblique, witty insults
this is a video of radical far-left students (think mai 68)
>>7751917
I am aware of the context.
>>7753195
may 68 was a mistake
>>7753195
it's good that you let us know this
your reputation may have been ruined otherwise
>>7753279
What about it? Or you could contribute to the thread.
>>7753326
I mean that was helpful to inform those posters but it still never increased / clarified anything important on the thread itself.
>>7753341
many things are trifling anon. let it pass and you will feel a static pleasure.
>>7736513
Start with the Greeks.
I liked this thread better when it was about penises
>>7736866
His high water mark was runaway horses. After that he descended further and further into whatever drove him to his death, and it shows in his writing.
my god im just now becoming familiar with this guy and all this romance and masculinity he exuded is inspiring on an almost role-model manner. where do i start? what novel best encloses this feeling of patriotism?
>>7736513
The Sailor Who Fell From Grace with the Sea is a pretty good intro I suppose. Gives you a lot of the basic ideas throughout his work and has some beautifully written passages. Confessions of a Mask isn't a bad entry either though or Temple of the Golden Pavilion.
>>7754334
Probably the one named Patriotism. I think you will be a little disappointed though. He is Japanese and speaking for Japanese culture and Japanese masculinity. Not some all encompassing patriotism you can attach yourself to with your national background.
There's also a lot of other aspects to his character that won't fit the narrative of nationalistic big daddy.
>>7754398
i was fearing that. i was reminded of how i watched tarkovskys mirror the other day and how much of an unreletable experience it was because of how much it refers to russian history.
im still interested in his character so i bless this thread for bringing him to my attention
>>7754398
I bet he is having the time of his life
>>7754468
Are you jesting m8
>>7754398
lel i can see his peenor
