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>>7716472
Please go back to pol.
I thought my week couldn't get any better desu
Who is dis bitch and why would anyone care
Literally who thought this
>tfw Bloom is next
>>7716466
>mfw Harper Lee was still alive
>>7716466
shite books
Read to kill a mockingbird in high school and thought it was okay, I didn't really see the big deal about it. Did I miss something that I would appreciate now? Or is it just a meme? It's probably a meme right
>>7716903
Idk I thought it was pretty great but I'm probably just a pleb desu
Lost a great author.
Hated her fucking book though, but the death of an authorial mind is more saddening to me.
>>7716466
I assumed she's been dead for decades already.
>>7716903
She wrote a pretty novel and also invented an outrageous character in the form of Atticus Finch.
In the South, dignified, highly educated white people did not give a rat's ass about poor blacks until at least the 1960's.
>>7716924
>>7716466
her death just goes to show that her release from last year was just to pay for the funeral expenses
>>7716939
>>7716942
B-b-ut /pol/ told me /lit/ is full of gommies.
t. tourist from /pol/
>>7716975
Manifest destiny. I guess I'll start visiting here more often.
>>7716924
"Hey guys, institutional racism is pretty awful, it creates some terrible situations for otherwise alright people. We should bring some attention and compassion to that."
>CULTURAL MARXIST
>FUCKING LIBERAL KEK
>WHITE RACE DYING EVERY DAY
I fucking hate you, /pol/. I don't even particularly like tkam, but you guys are the most profoundly damaged people I've ever interacted with. Your outlooks on the world, and by extension all of you yourselves, are revolting.
>>7716999
>consuming media from other cultures makes you a cuckold now
>>7717006
>institutional racism
Are there really people on 4chan who would use these kinds of buzzwords unironically?
>>7716715
i dunno, you cropped the image too much for us to find out
>>7716999
i hope this is satire
/pol/-tards are literally no worse than SJW's they bend things to fit their agenda as much as SJW's do
>>7717032
Pretty much. This thread is shit.
>>7717040
Is this real?
>>7717040
>implying /pol/ is not fueled by the primal fear of BBC cucking their imaginary wives
>>7716466
in b4 sticky
>>7716999
>>7717006
The reason society has gone to shit is cunts like you would rather settle your politics by shit-talk and sensationalism. True for BLM, feminism, /pol/, the far right, Trump, and every potus candidate.
Reddit killed Harper Lee.
>>7716939
lol, supporting any other candidate is retarded. you probably couldn't define socialism without google
>>7717098
Reddit couldn't kill an octogenerian meme
polacks are the best trolls
i bet they make even aussies mad
>>7717098
>I honestly thought To Kill a Mockingbird was written some time in the 19th century
>>7717098
>Reddit is stealing our meme magic
Did Go Set a Watchman ruin her legacy like everyone said it would?
>>7716923
Nice job projecting. You'll find people in the Deep South are less racist than those in the Midwest and Northeast because they have to interact with more of a percentage than other locations. A lot of the blacks in the Deep South [except in Atlanta and Memphis] are really nothing like those from the Bronx or Chicago.
>>7716924
The book didn't elevate or demonize white people. It just showed you what happens. There were racist whites, amazing whites, retarded whites, etc. The only black character we saw was Robinson. Is it so bad that he was innocent? We have this issue in modern times with improper imprisonment and framing rapes, white or black.
Have you been tested for schizophrenia? Because you're seeing things that just aren't there, and that is among the first signs of this illness.
>>7716715
I went to high school in Alabama and won an essay contest and got to meet her in Monroeville for lunch. She is actually a sweet lady, a bit shy and weary of fame. The town was extremely protective of her.
>>7716999
>>7716983
>>7716975
Goddamn is this an echo chamber? And /lit/ isn't as dismissive of good women or minority writers, and claiming as such shows you're just passing through and have actually never been in a thread discussing those subjects like adults should.
>>7717026
That isn't relevant. Why be so dismissive of works from other cultures that show merit?
>>7717040
>We have GRAPHS.
Christ.
>>7717130
It honestly proves that she was not in good health and her bitch lawyer that everyone in the town hated did go behind her back and publish the manuscript without her being in the capacity to know what was going on to refuse.
Elderly abuse is awful. My uncle is from Monroeville and as of December the entire town basically is terrorizing her and chasing her out.
>>7717130
Obituaries have been either ignoring it, or just mentioning it in one sentence near the end.
>>7717132
>>We have GRAPHS.
>Christ.
I'll just have to point out I've never understood this
>it's a graph in jpg format -> discarded
meme
Infographs are a convenient way of conveying information and many that you see posted on /pol/ have sources attached.
>>7717132
Actually, black people were presented very similarly in the novel to the way white people were. Tom Robinson wasn't a dindu and had a past conviction.
There even was a crazy woman at Calpurnia's church who didn't want Scout and Jem to be there when they come to visit.
Lee in her novel puts the point that there are both white, black, poor and rich who are good folks or bad folks.
>>7717109
http://www.politicususa.com/2016/01/14/170-economists-bernie-sanders-plan-reform-wall-st-rein-greed.html
https://berniesanders.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/01/Wall-St-Letter-1.pdf
http://www.bloomberg.com/politics/trackers/2016-01-14/sanders-says-170-experts-support-his-wall-street-plan
http://www.inquisitr.com/2709907/170-top-economists-feel-the-bern-endorse-bernie-sanders-wall-street-reform-plan/
> being this fucking retarded
>>7717178
>>Lee in her novel puts the point that there are both white, black, poor and rich who are good folks or bad folks.
now lets be fair the only reason niggers are being a fucking problem is liberal brainwashing
>>7716903
You didn't miss anything. It's an average book that's only famous because it was about racism.
>>7717178
Wouldn't the liberal brainwashing you speak of be saying white people are mostly trash with a minority being alright, and black people are all misrepresented and treated unfairly?
>>7717199
>white people are mostly trash
>black people are all misrepresented and treated unfairly
That sounds like exactly liberals say, but more passive aggressive
>>7717166
Because they almost never have sources that you can find that are correct. They almost never link to anything that has actual substance or non bias research. Also, you can construe a graph's structure to make differences seem bigger than they are.
And if you counter them with any links, they revert to Mommy science knee-jerk reactions, saying all scientists are Jews or some shit.
>>7717171
I don't disagree, I was disagreeing with the poster that said the book elevated blacks and demonized whites. All of the characters are people first, which is what good character writing should be.
>>7717165
>I can't really retort, everyone who disagrees is liberal
Not really, but keep on believing the world works on extremes.
>>7717178
Do you regularly avoid reality?
I feel like class is more of a separation in today's society than race. Almost all issues are poverty related. Sometimes it correlates with race, but not all the time. Both right and left wing media stir up racial controversy to distract from the wealthiest of the wealthy subduing the poor.
>>7717213
"SJW"s didn't exist in 1960. And the laws were very much slanted against blacks and in favor of whites - this fits any reasonable definition of systematic racism.
Also, go fuck yourself. Someone's died, this isn't the time or the place.
>>7716466
TKAMB makes me feel super nostalgic for highschool but that's about it
>>7717213
But in 1930 there was systemic racism. Jim Crow laws were alive and well, slaves had barely been out of slavery for 50 years.
I wouldn't say there is systemic racism today at all, and if there is it isn't even 1/20th of the degree it was before the Civil Rights movement.
The book never shames whites for being whites, it shames Bob Ewell for being a trashy person who probably raped his own daughter. It shows how Atticus is practically a saint, and how the people wanting to lynch Robinson in the jail cell were just frustrated and confused. I loved that part of the novel, when Scout talked them down and Atticus was fucking terrified. It showed the men wanting to kill Robinson were not evil, they were poor [this was the Great Depression], and needed an outlet for anger and boredom. A scapegoat to take out other frustrations of the age on.
WOOOOO I CANNOT REST IN PEACE TILL I GETS MY STICKY
I liked the movie better then her book
>>7717197
I don't agree with the novel fully. Atticus does say some ridiculous things about not feeling sorry for Mayella Ewell because she was white, or poor white people being trash because they cheat black people (as if the opposite never happens)
When discussing the book you have to consider the fact it was written in the 60s and is set in the 30s.
>>7717213
I've never regarded the book about being focused on race, it does tackle the subject of class much more. I wouldn't say it made me ashamed of anything, however.
>>7717241
Get over yourself pal
>>7717255
These are all good arguments, unfortunately they require the guy you're arguing with to have actually read the book.
(And even if he has, he'll just yell "SJW!" and flip the checkerboard).
>>7717260
This thread is only 20% about Harper Lee. The rest is Americans arguing over their politics.
>>7717255
Atticus was not a saint. Despite rambling on about equality in the court throughout the second part of the novel he lets Arthur get away with killing Bob Ewell, which really shows that everyone, even Atticus is prejudiced (which isn't necessarily bad). Let's also not forget the fact that he doesn't do anything about threats from Bob Ewell and his kids almost get killed as the result.
You're right on the other point, though. The cunninghams are demonized by Maycomb and written off as being on par with the Ewells (eg Aunt Alexandra describes them as trash) despite being a honorable family who just got struck by poverty.
I don't go on /lit/ but isn't Harper Lee the literary equivalent to a one-hit wonder? It's like the world weeping because the drummer for the Troggs died
>>7717298
Sorta. Like, she genuinely only wrote one book, but that book was such a huge hit and inspiration for people in the civil rights movement as well as generations that followed, that many people will remember her fondly.
Despite /lit/'s cynicism towards her, there'll be at least one person on /lit/ that liked To Kill A Mockingbird and feels bad about her passing away.
>>7717312
>back to /r9k/
>>7717298
She honestly did not try to publish anything else. Some people do that. There are many authors throughout history that have wrote only one venerated novel.
>>7717313
>there'll be at least one person on /lit/ that liked To Kill A Mockingbird and feels bad about her passing away.
Here ;--;
>>7717298
She published 2 books in her lifetime so doesn't technically qualify.
There were another 2 books she'd worked on (one called The Long Goodbye in the 60s, and a true crime one called The Reverend in the 70s). Even if they're unfinished, I'd bet that we'll see those get published sometime.
>>7717313
>>7717322
The whole anti-Lee thing is just part of the edgy-right-wing-kids cadre that dominates the website currently. There are other people around too.
>>7717333
>edgy-right-wing-kids cadre that dominates the website currently
I don't think you're aware of what website you're on.
>>>/reddit/
>>7717333
> that dominates the website currently
In fairness to these types, can you blame them? You see the far-left using hypocritical statements and double standards when it benefits themselves but then they whine when they're called out for it. The "SJW" mindset is genuinely very dangerous if, in your fight for diversity or true equality, you promote the diminishing of another's rights because of their race or gender (i.e. a white male being inconsiderable for a job because the company wants to become more diverse rather than allowing somebody with better qualifications the job); if you promote censorship because something offended you (many wise people have said that being offended does not give you the right to censor that which offends you); if you promote hatred and hostility despite somebody simply exercising their rights (i.e. Melissa Click against the photojournalist); etc.
I understand why people want diversity if they feel equality is yet to be achieved, but there are better ways of finding it than promoting hypocrisy and double-standards, which the vocal far-left seem to really promote. It's dangerous, and much literature has warned about such methods as censorship and minimising another's rights, but the far-left doesn't care.
Despite this digression from Harper Lee's passing (which I genuinely feel bad about because I do admire To Kill A Mockingbird), I think it's kinda understandable why there's an influx of the right-wing types you see now.
>>7717333
>one hit wonder
Just because she published more than one book doesn't disqualify her, jesus. Only one of her books was a hit therefore she's a one hit wonder. You're probably confusing one hit wonder with one trick pony. Trips and a post this shitty no wonder /lit/ is so bad
>>7717371
It somewhat is if your company completely ignores CVs of white men because they're not diverse. I don't believe every industry is like that, but the industry I intend to find work in certainly is.
Sonic identifying as an attack helicopter is transphobic.
>>7717384
Very funny, anon.
>>7717364
I don't like how it's turned into an arms race with the nutcases on both sides getting ever more crazy. I don't like the "SJW" mindset (I'm a white male, the very thing they despise most) but the opposing side is equally as bad.
Although /b/ and other boards here have always had an extremist bent, it didn't used to be prevalent on /lit/ in the early years, and it's been sad to see things get increasingly polarized here.
>>7717268
This
Movie>Book
The Soundtrack is perfect
>>7717132
Except blacks are the most common perpetrators of rape. trying one in an otherwise dead case is as proper as trying, say, a pedophile with no criminal record.
>>7717392
Yeah, I agree really. /lit/ used to be a very calm, relaxed board and was often quite slow because many anons spent time on what they posted.
There's definitely nutcases on both sides (and I know some people on both sides who are also very rational). I don't know how it can't turn into a sort of arms race though because if one side falters, the other wins and neither side wants their opposition to win.
I seriously just hope that the crazy SJW mindset fizzles out after a while. I'm not against blacks, women, transgender, etc, but there's an irrationality to the SJW mindset that I can't really support, and I wish it would sit down and take it easier.
I really wish that SJW-types who wish for social justice and equality also focused their vocal efforts on areas of the world that really need equality to be a thing because, quite honestly, the West isn't, in its current state (although sure, improvements could be made), in desperate need for equality with what we've already achieved in that direction (I'm thinking the middle-east, China or North Korea, etc - these places could benefit with talks of equality).
>>7717364
Positive discrimination is a joke and anyone who has sense enough to realize that two wrongs don't make a right is labelled as a bigot (another buzzword)
>>7717417
I think social media has led to making it easy for such groups to be organized and look around for 'transgressions' with a narrow focus. They go after easy targets and receive kudos from their peers. The whole thing is extremely insular. It becomes more about claiming scalps than actually doing anything.
>rip off Intruder in the Dust and have basically no talent for prose and character
>plebs suck your tits for the next fifty years because they're too dumb to read Faulkner
Burn in hell ya old coot
>>7717419
This. I tried calling it out at uni once, saying that it's not a fair process and that it's an inefficient way of gaining diversity and that we should be employed depending on our ability and experience rather than our race, but such a wave of people disagreed with me, it was shocking.
At least my lecturer understood what I meant.
>>7717132
>>7717132
> You'll find people in the Deep South are less racist than those in the Midwest and Northeast because they have to interact with
This was more true in 1860 (when SC was majority black) than it is today. I hope you aren't willing to call white South Carolinians in 1860 less racist than their contemporary progeny.
I'm not "projecting." I've done a fair amount of reading on the Civil Rights movement in mid 60s. The place was as mean as can be. Nobody gave a fuck about black people, sorry. I don't care if white Georgians hold doors open for blacks today. Their fathers and grandfathers poked blacks with cattle prods, lynched blacks, kept blacks under an Apartheid system reinforced by legalized racism and extreme violence. Their great grandfathers felt it was okay to enslave them.
Atticus Finch could not have represented anything but an extreme minority. Moreover, a guy like Finch was liable to be lynched himself, or have his house burned down, or his kids spat on. Lee's novel is pure fantasy. Finch represents nobody but the well-meaning revisionist history of post-Civil-Rights whites.
okay, which one of you fuckers said "she'll be fine" because I know it happened
>>7717640
>implying my grandfather doesn't still poke blacks with cattle prods
lmaoing at your life
>>7717640
More blacks will be killed by other blacks in a year than were lynched (often thieves or murderers or rapists) in two centuries. Boo hoo.
>>7716466
This thread has been taken over by pol
RIP in the thread graveyard..
>>7717417
Both SJWs and Anti-SJWs have become the main problems.
Horseshoe theory never fails it would seem; just look at all the posts in this thread.
>>7717667
for the last year the FBI provides data: 2,245 black on black killings
https://www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/ucr/crime-in-the-u.s/2013/crime-in-the-u.s.-2013/offenses-known-to-law-enforcement/expanded-homicide/expanded_homicide_data_table_6_murder_race_and_sex_of_vicitm_by_race_and_sex_of_offender_2013.xls
count of all blacks lynched between 1882 and 1968: 3,446
http://law2.umkc.edu/faculty/projects/ftrials/shipp/lynchingsstate.html
taken from:
http://192.203.127.197/archive/handle/123456789/511
in after >muh graphs
oh noes, the /pol/ boogeyman is citing studies, and providing statistics and data
Well, god damn. I heard she wrote something one year ago or so. But I enjoyed "tkam"
>>7717691
>>7717706
The fact you faggots keep posting this image without realizing the irony in that same mccarthist mindset that SJWs use just proves my point.
>>7717574
I don't know about you, but as a white male, I've never received privileges based upon my gender or race. I grew up in the middle of buttfuck nowhere in the north of England and I was poor as fuck, coming from a shitty family. Nobody gave me any handouts and nobody gave me any step-ups. I had to work hard to get to where I am today. I don't know about you, but that white male privilege malarky doesn't quite sit well with me, especially when the people who complain about privilege are certainly more privileged than I ever was.
>>7717767
Those people have never heard of classism. Hell, a lot of progressives pretend that classism is impossible because it would hurt too much to evaluate their own position in society honestly.
Saying, "I'm an upper-middle-class white person, and in no way am just an average joe," clashes too much with their weakling morality. Instead they pretend that their comfort is just, "normal," for white people and the only people not feeling the benefits are left out in the cold because of their race and not because of a slight variation of the way every other member of the lower classes ended up where they are.
>>7717690
God fucking damnit, I thought /pol/ was supposed to be a containment board?
>>7717796
/pol/ was a mistake
>>7716924
4/10 bait-- too obvious, yet still apparently effective.
>>7716999
>cuckolds who reads non-white and non-male authors
fucking hell
>>7717304
>vaguely conservative/traditionalist opinion
>FUCK! GET OUT OF HERE /POL/ haha we sure showed that nazi
>>7717166
>>>>sources
>>7717830
He's right. We don't need twenty threads about the race of a crappy character from a crappy JK Rowling series.
>>7717247
identity politics is fucking braindead, kill yourself
>>7717298
the phrase or notion "one-hit wonder" has not nearly the same power/meaning in literature as in music.
>>7717378
Not exactly. It's just another part of neoliberalism.
>>7717298
She also wrote In Cold Blood.
>>7717767
kyriarchy
>>7717856
There are people in this thread who are simultaneously arguing that racism doesn't and never has existed as part of society and that white men are the only people with any sort of value.
This is /pol/.
Someone calmly arguing for fiscal responsibility or cuts to welfare programs is giving a "vaguely conservative/traditionalist opinion," not this. The fact that this comes off as moderately conservative to you is a sign that you've spent far too much time in the echo chamber and have become detached from reality.
This is coming from someone who browses this hungarian carpetweaving forum specifically to avoid the hugbox sjw shit of reddit. I'm not some bernie-obsessed college kid. Just fuck off and let /lit/ be about books instead of your political horseshit.
SEEYA
>>7717553
Yeah that's one of the main things I like about a novel, those descriptions of being a child that make you just fucking feel your childhood like it's locked away it's fucked up.
It's a shame novels about children are never really taken seriously or written seriously, I'd gladly read about a vivid childhood.
>>7717277
>disregarding half of the links
Here's to you, Miss Jean Louise Finch.
>>7717098
A) It's good that Reddit is getting rid of Shite authors.
B) tkam is set in 1930. I never even read the fucking books and even I know that.
Good, now I can finally read the book.
>>7717574
>inherent systemic biases
Such as?
Where do I get my White Privileged Male membership card? Did it get lost in the mail or something?
>>7716789
>Harper Lee was still alive
>>7716466
JUST
>7717553
read 'A Postilion Struck by Lightning' or 'Great Meadow' by Dirk Bogarde, big happy childhood meadow scenes
this fucking thread
/lit/ must be one of the easiest boards to "troll"
I fucking loled
>>7718058
I recommend Camus' The First Man (is that the english title?), his totally-not-an-autobiography that was released after his death. It's a short and sweet read, and 90% of it is Camus' childhood.
>>7718010
thanks videogamedoofus
>>7716466
hell be fine
