Was he correct /lit/?
In my opinion, yes. The majority of (unintelligent) people are able to protect themselves against the harshness of life by endorsing a series of beliefs that are clearly irrational, but serve their purpose by keeping the person optimistic and hopeful. Intelligent people are determined to see the truth, and therefore their realism makes them depressed.
>>7700241
It is somewhat true. I think the reason should be more simple: intelligent people set higher standards on themselves than other people.
The reciprocal is rarely true.
>Was he correct /lit/?
no
IMO yes, intelligent people question their habits and society's very often, dumb people just flow with what everyone says to be good and enjoy the silly things everyday
>>7700241
It's somewhat true, but realism is boring more than it is depressing.
>be Ernie Henweigh
>be bipolar and emotionally unstable in general, so of course be mega unhappy
>blame unhappiness on how smart you are though
seems legit
>>7700241
i agree with the quote to a degree but op you are like the countless number of psuedo-intellectuals ive known who flatter themselves as superior to the stupid masses. unintelligent people are also miserable. everyone is good at hiding their pain. happiness is just generally a myth.
there is however an echelon of intelligent people, those who are intelligent enough to realize emotions are fleeting and arbitrary. they don't indulge in despair, angst, depression, self pity, boredom or whatever the hell it is that usually bothers intelligent people. im not one of them. ive only had the privilege of knowing a few. i on the other hand am nervous, anxious, and restless all the goddamn time. is that a burden i carry because of my intelligence? i wish. a really intelligent person can dispense with neurosis. now that i think of it the quote is such vanity. and depression is so fashionable these days. "im sad, that must mean i'm smart." or "i'm smart, that's why i'm sad." jesus christ like anyone thinking along these lines has gone from patting themselves on the back to jerking themselves off. and not just like a casual before-i-go-to-sleep, under-my-clothes jerkoff. i mean like a fully stripped on the bed in the middle of the afternoon lubriderm 1080p porno at 75% volume while your roommates are at work kinda jerkoff session.
op realism isn't a cause for depression. either you understand and have internalized meaninglessness or just the opposite you see the absolute and total divinity in every thing, person, and moment and that means you are either unaffected or in awe, just complete awe and wonder every breath you take. the latter should cause some goddamn humility in which case you understand yourself as the most stupid amidst the throng of idiots. fucking shit. im done. im gonna jerk off to holly michaels. goodnight.
Eh. Intelligent people go into deeper black holes, but intelligent peolle are probably less likely than idiots to measure the worth of life by how happy they are.
Guaranteed replies, bromigo
Anyway, no he's pretty wrong.
>>7700343
10/10 has actually read philosophy and transcended the fedora phase of intellectual development
Wise anon
>>7700241
It's only true if you read "intelligent" as "effeminate cuck".
>>7700390
Mods, sticky this
>>7700241
Feynman, Einstein, and Von Neumann seemed like sociable, happy people. Oh, he must mean "intelligent artistic" people.
>>7700343
I don't deny that unintelligent people don't also get miserable, but it is my belief that they would respond better to treatment. One of the core aims of cognitive behavioural therapy (currently the best treatment for depression) is to help the patient to identify his/her unrealistic pessimistic thoughts that maintain his/her depression. If they are intelligent and arrived at this pessimism through a logical process and believe it represents 'reality', then it is much harder (if not impossible) to change.
>>7700390
Was Hemingway an effeminate cuck?
>>7700241
True nihilism is the key to being happy bruh
ITT: sad people say yes, happy people say no
>>7700407
you dont get it, you really dont get it even as the words leave your fingetertips. you could use the words "unrealistic" and "realism" in the same breath as happiness and depression.
an intelligent person arrives at pessimism just as easliy as an unintelligent person arrives at optimism. both are logical. both are delusional. opposite sides of the same coin. if unrealistic thoughts are the cause of depression, then unhappy intelligent people aren't being very realistic, now are they? if they were in fact realistic as you insinuate, then logically they wouldn't be depressed. they are wishing still for a world better-than what is. in other words, they are still optimists just like your so-called unintelligent people.
intelligence is as much a handicap as stupidity. we are just on the other end of a spectrum. don't kid yourself.
>>7700343
pls write a book
>>7700334
He didn't say his unhappiness had to do with him being smart, that's you putting words in his mouth.
>>7700529
Optimism is far less logical than pessimism - optimists explain bad events as being temporary, specific to just one situation, and as having an external cause - regardless of their actual permanence, pervasiveness, and personalisation. Pessimists can make the opposite error (i.e. they describe bad events as permanent, indicative of their whole life, and their own fault), but in general they're more prone to arriving at a truthful/realistic explanation - see depressive realism.
>>7700424
yep
intelligence as you're describing it is more of a mindset or lifestyle than it is a measure of cognitive abilities, intuition, knowledge etc
intelligence as it is colloquially used is a way of making mental illness seem good
>>7700407
>Was Hemingway an effeminate cuck?
Most definitely.
>>7700343
This was really good. Thanks anon.
>>7700343
this. emotional intelligence is as valuable as raw intellect, those lucky enough to have both have a privileged perspective on the world
no, intelligence correlates positively with happiness.
We must be wary of this. One might assume they are especially smart. Sad people can be stupid, and stupid people can think they are smart, and if a sadly stupid person were to see this they would think themselves a genius.
I blame my sadness on how shitty I am.
>>7700343
Thank you so much for writing this
Hit the nail on the head
>>7700343
Well, at least there are a few clever posts left on /lit/
>>7702898
None by you I'm guessing, so fuck off and quit being a parasite.
Intelligence mean less happiness. eveyone can tell you that
>>7700241
Existance is something pondered more in relation to one's intelligence. Unless you develop a device to (which is more optimism) to distract you from it, any conclusion you can have toward it is severely depressing.
>>7702910
And yet intelligence offers higher degrees of happiness. Nobody reasonable can argue that the happiness derived from intellectual discovery ranks lower than that of a cow chewing cud.
>>7700343
saved. will read again when i am having a pity party
>>7700343
>those who are intelligent enough to realize emotions are fleeting and arbitrary. they don't indulge in despair, angst, depression, self pity, boredom or whatever the hell it is that usually bothers intelligent people.
I think this is more a sign of wisdom, than intelligence (which I think is way overrated). Besides that, I agree with just about everything you said.
>>7702977
Wisdom and intelligence are a continuity. Wisdom from experience is guided by intelligence, and intelligence is sharpened by wisdom.
No. The majority of people are horrible, miserable things, and they're not even aware. Why do you think smart people are so solitary? Because they can see through the bullshit and know people are on average more trouble than they are worth. Dumb people go through life like it's no thing, always making the same mistakes; and the worse part is that they knew their lives are fucked, but never have the balls to admit the things they scorn are part of themselves.
>>7700241
I disagree with Hemingway there, and am convinced the difference lies elsewhere, mostly according to temperament and place. Intelligent people are more easily discontented with noisy and crowded environments where there's no room or time for the mind to breathe, and do its thing. Urban poverty, especially of the extreme kind that prevails in the cities of poor countries, is for any intelligent person the ultimate nightmare. On the other hand, wherever the conditions are comfortable and quietly spacious, that's where people of the most profound intelligence most thrive, and grow wise with a kind of playfulness that their less intelligent peers do not under the same conditions. That is to say that while intellect is a most frustrating and unwieldy thing to have where the place frustrates its movement, it also confers immunity to ennui by virtue of its power to prompt and grow imaginative diversions.
Also this. I have met plenty of highly intelligent people who are not at all bothered by menial work, provided only it's simple enough to be done on autopilot, so to speak, and interferes little with daydreaming and reflection. Menial office work, on the other hand, is hated with a passion by most people with enough brains to squirm in irritation under such cramped cognitive contingencies. Even where the work is "creative", such as in advertising, intelligent people usually loathe the insult to intelligence that such an activity implies. Hart Crane couldn't stand it, and I understand why. Pursuing a career as a corporate lawyer depressed Wallace Stevens so much that he fell silent for a decade, and recovered his wit slowly, probably because he mastered his paying work so well that he could do it in his sleep. Of course not everyone with a strong mind has that much stoic staying-power, or so capacious a memory for their better days.
>>7700241
Society is build upon the massive bulge of the average. I think that many see how shallow it is, few become suicidally bored with the banal, even fewer break out of it completely for their own sanity. It's the transition which is the depressing part, and the less intelligent one is the longer it takes.
>>7700241
It's unfortunate that there's such a taboo blockading the study of happiness and intelligence, so you can't figure out how much truth there is in his statement for yourself.
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>>7700343
>there is however an echelon of intelligent people, those who are intelligent enough to realize emotions are fleeting and arbitrary. they don't indulge in despair, angst, depression, self pity, boredom or whatever the hell it is that usually bothers intelligent people
>muh stoicism
Listen Marcus Aurelius, if I ever become an emperor then I might agree with your "wisdom".
>>7700343
my poor dopamine deficient friend if only you knew why you feel like shit all the time
i won't tell you BTW you seem like the kind of dude who asks for citations when he hears "oppressing black people is wrong"
>>7703779
word lad nofap saved my life 2bh p.h.a.m
>>7700241
You say that intelligent people are depressed because they see the truth. That is completely wrong. If you want to live a happy life you tie it to the goal, stupid people has this much more less. Hemingway actually wants to say that people who make few mistakes in life and also is highly intelligent are rare. Because failure is the opportunity to begin again, this time more intelligently.
>>7700248
What standards people set for themselves is situational and don't depend on any kind of intelligence.
I think the problem is our desire to define things objectively because of our conditioning in this system we call life life inside of society.
Happiness is impossible to define...
As is depression, unhappiness, despair....
For instance, there are fools who has a short attention span, have been trained (and not conscious of it often) to not question things, not seriously reflect, etc....
These people who are "happy" often find happiness via participating in society with happy devices such as religion, social life, trends, pop culture, and of course the accepted path of life which is date, marry, reproduce, and teach this operating procedure to the kids.... This form of happiness allows people to succeed in this life.
Other people who are fools, short attention spans, dont think critically find happiness in anarchy, drugs, sex, etc... Think Punk Rock Kids or Hip Hop Kids fit this mold today...
One is "happy" while latter is obviously not happy and constantly seeking happiness thru these avenues that only present short term relief and require constant chasing....
There are so many variables that make people unhappy it's insane to think about, you can have stupid dumb people who got raped or molested as kids and most of them will carry that unhappiness with them.... Health problems at any point also present this unhappiness qouta.
The whole happiness not present in smart people is likely true, its hard to exist when you see thru all the happiness providing avenues and they do not work, However.... in today's internet culture, its easy to be "smart" because its easy to swallow the hard work done by smart people, have a mild understanding of it to point you can make an argument, and then use that as a happiness producing device in the same the fools use religion, social media, marriage, etc to produce happiness.... It is literally the same application.
Most of us are not smart, we are somewhat more smart then the grading curve which to be honest has been set so fucking low from the pinnacle it was in the past.... We also have been bombarded with so many hacks, fakes watering down the grading curve that one can get off by shitting on the shit work done by these hacks...
I really think the smartest thing one can do is just kill them self.... What is the point of this, arguing on here among "smarter people" in a sea of people who have no care for intelligent convos in a culture that disrespects and mocks being a serious person while rewarding the worst of humanity.
>>7703050
spoken like a jaded person who will only read negative emotions into what they think about.
Should be re-stated as "Happiness in slightly intelligent people is the rarest thing I know."
From what I can tell, happiness and intelligence are isomorphic on an inverted bell curve.
The least intelligent and the most intelligent are the happiest, with (if we can suspend disbelief in IQ scores as bullshit for the sake of quantifiction) those possessing an IQ of 105 - 145 representing those smart enough to confront their death but not smart enough to know how to psychologically deal with that.
These are, of course, gross generalizations, but I think it does the job to give a rough sketch of an intellectual "middle child" syndrome, whereby the precocious monkey can see the cage but has no way of knowing how to free itself.
A generation of Platonic hostages, if you will.
hemongway sucks if u think
>>7706228
If not being jaded means chasing things out of envy and getting with others only to talk shit about third parties, please let me always be jaded.
>>7706293
Which of the three groups are you part of, Anon? Or do you happen to be one of those special exceptions?
>>7707037
I'm in university with pretty good grades, an interest in literature and bipolar disorder so I'd say firmly entrenched in the "slightly intelligent but distinctly not a genius" camp
I honestly think depression and mental illness becoming more commonplace is a result of the failure of the education of the middle class. We're educated enough to recognize the systems we're entrenched in and read all the major players but the above-average are doomed to be nothing more than informed observers and utilitarian pawns.
I think I experience this sentiment most acutely in a recurring nightmare. I'm standing in a field of grass with my loved ones when all of a sudden one of those old WWII air raid sirens goes off and we all somehow know that that dark blip in the sky is the warhead that's going to end us all. In the dream I somehow have an intimate knowledge of this warhead, I keep trying to explain its functionality to my father or my professor but they just keep weeping and weeping until I break down myself and realize that even though I know this weapon like the back of my hand that doesn't mean I can stop it from destroying me.
It's existential vivisection.
>>7707379
Have you read Gravity's Rainbow? It start very similar to that and deals with themes that seem likely to resonate with you.
>>7707654
This to be quite honest in my opinion
>>7707654
Thank you anon. Just made it through the first couple of chapters and this is exactly what I needed (the prose is really nice too)
I've had it sitting on my bookshelf for months and had no idea. I guess I subconsciously always held it as a meme despite loving V and M&D, thank you for dispelling that toxic ideology.
>>7708895
>>7700241
No. Thats just an ancient meme.
>Happiness is significantly associated with IQ. Those in the lowest IQ range (70-99) reported the lowest levels of happiness compared with the highest IQ group (120-129). Mediation analysis using the continuous IQ variable found dependency in activities of daily living, income, health and neurotic symptoms were strong mediators of the relationship, as they reduced the association between happiness and IQ by 50%.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/22998852
>>7708949
Well someone finally posted it
Sadtards btfo
>>7708949
IQ tests are worthless
>Awarding people money for doing well in IQ tests causes them to score better, a $10 incentive increased testers score by almost 20 IQ points.
Duckworth, A.L., Quinn, P.D., Lynam, D.R., Loeber, R. & Stouthamer-Loeber, M., 2011. Role of test motivation in intelligence testing. Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences, 108, 7716 –7720.
>>7700241
I don't think I'm a genius or anything, but I am smarter than the people around me. Even they tell me that, and it's without any sort of bitterness too.
I feel like I'm able to read between the lines and think more. Actually thinking about something seems to be a thing that not a lot of people really do, and they'll just either accept or deny whatever it is they're being told and that's that. They don't give it any further thought and just go about their lives.
I wish I didn't think so much.
>>7706228
Spoken like a true moron.
>>7708895
Have fun Anon, don't let them get to you.
>>7707379
That's some fucking dream, anon.
>>7708949
There's also a correlation between actual high intelligence and depression.
I guess 120-129 IQ pseudo-smart normies who just want to be an engineer and have fun are pretty happy though.
>>7700405
you know nothing about feynman
and by induction probably nothing about the others
>>7700343
>unintelligent people are also miserable. everyone is good at hiding their pain.
agree
>>7707379
>I honestly think depression and mental illness becoming more commonplace is a result of the failure of the education of the middle class. We're educated enough to recognize the systems we're entrenched in and read all the major players but the above-average are doomed to be nothing more than informed observers and utilitarian pawns.
Agree 100%
Educated people have perhaps a greater understanding as to the causals of their depression whereas someone uneducated cannot necessarily articulate this. This makes any depression they encounter appear irrational and arguably easier to deal with?
>>7709438
Most people who commit suicide are of average or low intelligence.
>>7700343
Can confirm. I'm unintelligent and I hide my pain. I pretend to be completely emotionless but then go cry myself to sleep every night. I wish I could indulge in sentiment and just be happy with others, but I'm too much of an autist to make connections.
I'm not smart enough to become fully engaged in anything and everything is boring to me as a result.
My intelligence wavers between genius and retarded but I'm always happiest when I'm at my smartest.
It's weird. I can understand particle physics, and remember historical, scientific and literary facts like nobody's business, but I am extremely gullible and nearly every one of my interactions is cringeworthy. I had to drop out of my school's physics program because despite memorizing the equations I made arithmatic mistakes on nearly every other problem. Naturally, my taste in fiction can only be described as terrible
Most people are idiots. If most people were also unhappy, there wouldn't be so many causes for unhappiness.
>>7710044
>It's weird. I can understand particle physics, and remember historical, scientific and literary facts like nobody's business, but I am extremely gullible and nearly every one of my interactions is cringeworthy. I had to drop out of my school's physics program because despite memorizing the equations I made arithmatic mistakes on nearly every other problem. Naturally, my taste in fiction can only be described as terrible
You're not a genius, not even inconsistently. Most half-intelligent people, including hack artists who think they're special, can understand particle physics, because we're in the internet age, where such information is commonplace. If you can't back that interest up with mathematical rigor, then that's all it is for you, an interest. You're just a dickhead who has a few unusual interests.
>>7706293
Even though this is just a speculative example and suspension of disbelief and so on, is 105 really enough of an "above average" to qualify for this? I mean if 100 is the average, 105 is close enough for fluctuation isn't it? I would have guessed something more along the lines of 115-120 and up.
>>7709837
>This makes any depression they encounter appear irrational and arguably easier to deal with?
Could be an explanation why they would choose to start seeing a shrink or getting on pills instead of continuing the internal struggle and battle.
>>7710016
Actually, actually, cry?
>>7709750
Feynman had a depressive period, just after the Japan bombings which happened also at about the same time his wife died. He seemed pretty happy afterwards.
>>7700241
No, he was just out of touch. At my wage slavery, I work with quite a few people who fall well below average in their own way. Some have some kind of obvious mental disease and others are just simply not that bright. For them, every ad campaign is a revelation. Brands are valuable sources of authority. They make financial mistake after financial led by false prophets into ruin. Perhaps worst of all, I see them crushed maliciously again and again by people of average intelligence who feel anxiety about their place in the order. The world is unnavigable and mysterious to them and they live by banal platitudes that hold no truth, but give them something to hold on to as they are bashed against the rocks. They are forever at the mercy of the world and those around them.
The only mercy spared them is that they cannot understand what the root of all their misery is. It just another part of the mysterious world they live in. But it is and always has been their lacking.
The happy simpleton is a myth and a particularly cruel one. The misery of intelligence is not special or significant in any way other than in its ability to express itself.
>>7700343
>divinity
stopped comprehending
>>7710045
This is essentially why Democracy is a total sham.
>>7710195
This desu.
>>7710174
Brilliantly said.
>>7700390
Mods sticky this
A truly intelligent person would find a way to be happy.
>>7710074
i think you've got it ass-backwards. any dolt can run numbers through equations. a deep understanding of the theoretical structure is a sign of true aptitude. i don't think that anon is a genius but he probably isn't a moron or dickhead either.
>>7710174
Is it better to be at the mercy of some mysterious force or a force you completely understand but can't change or even reach?
Genuine question
>>7710230
Mods do not sticky this
>>7710221
the answer is usually syphilitic madness
>>7710230
But that's what part of the mathematical rigor is. I don't mean pressing e on a calculator to solve an equation, or memorizing its digits, but understanding how something like e is a fundament of reality, and how its various applications aid furthering the boundaries of our knowledge. A deep understanding of theory can only be put into place by an understanding of mathematics, all else is awkward jenga playing.
>>7710230
For the record I do not think he's an idiot, just somewhat intelligent. Still a dickhead though.
>>7700343
I'm going to disagree with this because everyone else is praising it
You are an idiot
He was right that people who "know" they're intelligent (ie, they think they are better) are unhappy
Delusions of grandeur are what makes genius depressing because of the competitive nature of intellectual circles
The sad artist/genius meme is propaganda intended to stymie creativity. Don't overdue it.
>>7710230
In physics the theoretical structure is the numbers. Everything apart from that is an approximate generalisation.
>>7710263
Mods sticky this!
>>7700241
Depressed intellectuals are always leftists (non-totalitarian sort). It's the easiest way to identify the depressed intellectual stereotype.
It goes like this:
intelligence -> aspirations -> low conscientiousness (the main psychological component of leftism) -> unfulfilled aspirations -> depression
>>7707013
lol.
>>7700343
What if your conclusion to dispensing with neurosis is to fall deeper into the neurotic pit in order to re-circuit your mind?
>>7710074
It's not that I didn't understand the mathematics. That wasn't my problem. My problem was doing stupid shit like misplacing minus signs.
The only mathematical system I didn't really get before I switched out was matrix algebra, and that was the only class I've ever had where the teacher switched mid-semester because the old one stopped showing up after the second class. Since then I have gained a rudimentary understanding but it's still a bit shaky
>>7710302
true enough. It's the mathematic quirks that always fascinate me the most. When I was first learning about elctromagnetism I asked the professor if it were possible for there to be a particle with an imaginary charge. I never did get and answer, but I learned this year that the formula for the lorenz force implies that any moving magnetic monople would experience force equal to q_b (B - VxE) which implies that a moving magnetic monopole does in fact have an a negative imaginary electric charge, although the since the direction it experiences force in depends on its motion and the electric field there isn't really any equation in which expressing its charge as imaginary would add clarity
>>7710370
You are trying to hard
Intellectual acrobatics dont facilitate understanding
>>7710342
That's a very compeelling argument.
>>7710370
>My problem was doing stupid shit like misplacing minus signs.
Did that happen to you only in tests?
>>7710387
Are you retarded? Most of modern math and science arose from mental gymnastics!
Im not a physicist, my grades aren't great, and I admit that i'm not a genius, but the laws of math and science we depend on to interpret reality only exist because of brain-dick stroking like that.
Yes he is right. But that's not to say if you are smart you aren't happy. I feel as though as a child I was blissfully ignorant. As an adolescent I was pretty depressed because I learned the ugly truth about humanity. Now, as an adult, I am happy again because I see the beauty in existence, the world, and the enigma of life.
>>7710080
>Actually, actually, cry?
Maybe not every night, but way more often than I would like to admit.
>>7710513
It's okay to cry anon.
>>7710513
>>7707379
Social Media is honestly a big part of this. It connects us to a lot of human misery we would normally avoid and can do nothing about. On Facebook sometimes I end up seeing someone I haven't spoken to or thought about in years post about how they're going in for a second surgery that's crushed their dreams of being a fighter pilot. Or the occasional reminder that someone else I don't even know has died. I don't have a really good grasp on what I'm trying to express here but I was wondering if anyone else has felt similarly.
>>7710446
No, it happened everywhere. Im too lazy to double check my work most of the time, and in my head i kind of made it a matter of pride to be the first one to finish any test
Diligence and is what pushes the world foreword and pride makes an idiot of everyone.
>>7710513
Own those tears, there might come a time when you long for them, as ı have.
>>7710537
>>7710513
There is no shame in crying anons. Your tear ducts are there for a reason: to vent stress hormones and keep them from consuming you.
Incidentally, you shouldn't let your tears into your mouth. Store them in small vials and slip them into the drinks of your enemies to make them miserable.
>>7710567
That's not how cortisol works at all
>>7710546
Sorry, I don't use social media.
>>7710588
I guess I mean the internet in general. Absolute connection to all the worst shit happening at any given time plus knowledge to understand everything about what's wrong with the situation. I'm pretty fucked up and incoherent right now.
It's just masturbation.
Like people wearing fake-glasses to look smart.
>>7710547
Seems like impatience; you rid yourself of it by realizing the past is done and the future not yet.
>>7710487
I cant tell if you're taking the piss.
Of course science is useful, but the thread is about happiness.
The reason intelligent people (supposedly) get so depressed is that academia and "intellectual" subjects just teach you to conceptualise in more and more elaborate ways.
So you end up being an intellectual hoarder. You think that to understand the Whole picture you need to understand every component part. Particle physics god bless it is the perfect example.
>>7700343
How do you think the upper echelon do it? Anyone here who is 150+ iq or went to college at 16(nobody lol) able to impart their existential wisdom?
Is there anything better than Camus or Nietzsche?
>>7700241
Strong disagreement with your general characterization of intelligent people. And no, "intelligent people" is not confined to say, 130+ IQ individuals. In order to speak meaningfully of habits and inner life of "intelligent people" in general, we should rather admit of, say, 110+'s for discussion, or maybe the top 20% in raw intelligence if I'm estimating that right.
The crux of my disagreement is that your latter sentence entails their depression-as-a-bloc. OTOH, there are regularly medical doctors, scientists, theologians and so on, learned people, who take the normie pill of mainstream religion and absolutely love it. One such very recent example is Antonin Scalia, a rather important intellectual, whatever your opinion of his views.
Furthermore, I've seen more than one graph suggesting that jewish people have above-average intelligence (in before whether I checked whether the graph was authored by a jew). And yet, for all their purported intelligence, they are still committed to emigrate and live next door to their mortal enemies (Muslims), and why? So that they can go LARPing in the Golan heights or whereever it is they're settling, lately.
The point being that intelligent people are also susceptible to the /normie need of humans to socialize/, which the autist partially escapes. The well-rounded intelligent person, however, still needs to belong, and this need is so great that reason is regularly short-circuited so that one may have community with a church, nepotism, etc.
I don't even agree with the final, general declaration that "intelligent people are determined to see the truth", although I would hold this as a personal value. Most people are prepared to let certain questions go unanswered, or un-analyzed. After all, we're only alive for a few decades and the tendency now is for people who investigate things (either in an everyday job-function or academic sense), to specialize.
The truth of the matter is that Truth itself, as far as we are able to push it, entails a certain existential nihilism, and /lit/ to its credit regularly anticipates this inevitability. But many otherwise intelligent entire lives are well content to keep this wolf at bay, just outside the door.
Finally, one more example: there are many intelligent women. Women however, especially ugly women, are masters of self-deception.
>>7700241
just because you're a depressed NEET with nogf doesn't mean that you can take quotes from famous authors to prop up your self-delusions about your "misunderstood genius" and "tyranny of the lowest common denominator"
git fucking gud
>>7710731
I was in college at 16. And yet I'm here now. Pheels.
>>7710832
What did you go in for? How did you manage? What is your existential outlook? Mind sharing any epistemological conclusions as well?
>>7700424
True, and totally radical!
Everyone here is trying too hard.
True happiness is rare in general.
True intelligent people are rare.
Combine both conditions.
Simple as that.
You're all idiots.
>be intelligent - as many put it
>grew up in a third world shithole (Vietnam)
>bullied at school
>at 12 read into nihilism and existentialism shit
>read into Nietzsche
>extreme anxiety and extreme depression
>wanted to kill myself
>got over it
>be happy again by smiling every day and not giving a fuck about philosophy crap
>listen to rock music instead of classical
>watch more comedies
>occasionally read some science articles to not give up on my intelligence
Am I a deluded idiot or intelligent?
He wasnt correct. It's simply that intelligent people are more articulate and sensitive to their emotions. By definition they are more aware.
So they have a longer journey than people who can drown their feelings in noise, but in the end awareness is more fun.
>>7711836
The point is intelligent people are even less likely to be happy
>>7709857
That's because they can't into sublimation through art like the highly intelligent.
>>7711854
>Am I a deluded idiot or intelligent?
noone here can judge that by a few lines of greentext. That assumption alone suggests you fit the deluded idiot more though, but still, we can't tell.
>>7711854
I'd say deluded idiot because of your complete misunderstanding of Nietzsche but it may have been that you were a literal child at the time.
Given that you also consider 'reading some science articles' to be 'not giving up on your intelligence' though, you're probably a deluded idiot.
>>7711854
>Am I a deluded idiot
You've abandoned pretentiousness so you're less deluded than half of/lit/. When it comes to learning be careful, intelligence is a good servant but a poor master
>>7711890
>complete misunderstanding of Nietzsche
The only truth of any philosopher's work is the personal understanding you can develop through it.
Do you really think your interpretation based on your own experience and prejudices is better for Anon? Or Christ help you do you think you know the whole mind of Neitzsche?
>>7711912
My reading of the most life-affirming philosopher ever is not 'omg everything is meaningless i should just kill myself', so I consider my interpretation superior, yes.
>>7703692
Take pussy off the pedestal, then take happiness off of it, money becomes worthless, then kick the stool over and start a bar fight for fun.
>>7711872
And you're a complete idiot.
>True happiness is rare in general.
>True intelligent people are rare.
>Combine both conditions.
If you combine 2 rare things you get an even more rare thing. Ok?
Do you understand now?
Fucktard.
>>7711924
Congratulations that must be nice. But do you think Neitzsche is objectively life-affirming? Is any philosopher objectively anything? Of course not.
So if Anon indiscriminately finds depression and pointlessness in his work, being a little bitch about interpretations enlighten him. Moving on to more fitting philosophers might
>>7711952
Let me add to this, because some retards will still not get it.
If you have an extremely rare occurrence like truly happy intelligent people, it just seems like intelligent people are less likely to be happy.
It's a misunderstanding of statistical probability.
I reiterate. You're all idiots.
>>7711963
>But do you think Neitzsche is objectively life-affirming?
If you have to ask this question, you haven't read Nietzsche.
>>7711973
Or you don't understand the concept of objectivity.
Either way, you sound stupid.
>>7711952
You are shit at statistics.
Happy intelligent people are rare. So what? That does not prove they are less likely to be happy than average or stupid people, which is the point of the fucking thread.
L2 read the actual thread pissant
>>7700343
all round good post my friend
>>7711978
Are you brain dead or just severely mentally challenged?
If something is extremely rare, it appears as if it is unlikely to manifest. FUCKTARD.
>Happy intelligent people are rare. So what? >That does not prove they are less likely to be >happy than average or stupid people, which is >the point of the fucking thread.
Let me break it down for you like I would for a 5 year old.
If something is less likely to occur. Let's say like a happy person.
And combine that with something that is equally unlikely to occur. Let's say like an intelligent person.
Logic will dictate that it is less likely for a happy person to be intelligent and/or for an intelligent person to be happy.
YOU FUCKING RETARD.
Go back to school please.
It's simple basic logical statistics.
Damn it you're stupid.
>>7711988
ITT: People who can't even spell Nietzsche.
>>7711963
>babby's first subjectivism
Not very interesting, to be quite honest.
>>7710644
>You think that to understand the Whole picture you need to understand every component part
Does this fallacy have a name?
>>7700241
Your brain has multiple functions: reason, emotion, intuition, etc.
Intelligent people tend to fall back on reason and scorn other functions that the rational brain can't comprehend, this makes some aspects of reality unaccessible to them, their obsession with logical approach locking them out of a good part of human experience and making them feel unwhole, empty. If all of your brain functions are lower, it's easier to keep them in balance, but it's very possible for an intellectual to cultivate his emotions and intuition; these things have only been neglected by western cartesian thought for a long time.
>>7712015
"Happiness in intelligent people is the rarest thing I know."
You can argue forever about how rare your version of "intelligent people" are but happy intelligent people are definitely underrepresented and nowhere near as rare as you want to believe. Honestly your answer is just lazy and uninformed
>>7712247
>these things have only been neglected by western cartesian
Pretty much. In India and China intelligent people generally have the happiest lives because the cult of reason doesn't exist. This is also the most sensible reason for general Western autism
I'll say he's wrong.
If you put it in a scale, where one extreme is the not so intelligent person and on the other the truly intelligent person, most of the so called depressed intellectuals would fall in the middle, for they lack the intelligence to know themselves well enough to avoid becoming unhappy.
I've been there before, it sucks indeed, but with enough work you can get past it. It really helps having a purpose.
>>7712290
>cult of reason
Exactly what does this mean?
>>7700343
>holly michaels
stopped reading there
>>7712331
stupid person spotted
>>7712331
>with enough work you can get past it. It really helps having a purpose.
>>7713523
>stopped reading there
It was the fucking end of his post
What's wrong with holly michaels? She's got a really slutty face but I still get a boner
>>7700343
I appreciate the sentiment behind this post but it would really surprise me if the correlation between IQ and depressive symptoms wasn't somewhat diagonal.
Probably. I'm happy and not that bright. I'm easily impressed, too. I used to be sad, but I was probably even dumber then than now.
I'm a pessimist, but it's nice because then when things actually work out it's a pleasant surprise.
I don't care much about the truth anymore. If the question gives you a bad feeling and you don't need the answer for something important don't ask it. Blissful ignorance is better than miserable understanding in my experience.
>>7714393
>If the question gives you a bad feeling and you don't need the answer for something important don't ask it.
If you can't put your conclusions to use, keep questioning.
I'm a borderline case of type II bipolar, and bouts of depression are a reality I just accept, alongside periods of hypomania. basically my brain starts kicking into overdrive for days at a time, an I'm more happy, more excited, more passionate, and my thoughts start racing.
I find that in general, I'm significiantly smarter when I'm hypomanic than when I'm depressed, but I think it's only because I'm a boderline case. Typically, hypomanic episodes involve increased impulsiveness and really stupid behaviour but I don't seem to get that when I have them.
