How do you guys feel about this book?
>>7539250
Never fuckin heard of it
>>7539250
Haven't heard of it either, before now. Is it similar to Pilgrim's Progress (in structure, import, or goal)?
The wikipedia entry looks very interesting. I am not as interested in Christian meditations as I am in Eastern ones (not Buddhist, more Vedantic), but I'd be very interested to hear your views on the content of "the way of a pilgrim," and how (if at all) its technique has helped you.
>>7539301
>Is it similar to Pilgrim's Progress
No.
>I'd be very interested to hear your views on the content of "the way of a pilgrim," and how (if at all) its technique has helped you.
The technique takes a long time to master, a lifetime even, if you ever master it. But it is like the Orthodox equivalent to the Rosary, I've found it very helpful.
>>7539250
for monks
>>7539250
Never actually felt compelled to explore orthodoxy outside Russian literature. It's so... Best way to put it is anti reason I guess. Existentialism is interesting only so far.
>>7539250
I haven't read it, but I seem to remember Salinger put it at the center of his story "Franny".
>>7539386
The Way of the Pilgrim is Russian literature, it's a novel.
As for Orthodoxy being anti-reason, have you read Fyodorov or Lev Berg?
>>7539424
No as orthodox people, including you, never recommend it or even talk about anything that isn't mysticism while at the same time reject Augustine and obviously post schism Catholic theology.
>>7539442
See
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Our conception of reason is very different from Platonic, and Augustine was heavily Platonic. We have rationalist theology, but it's not "rationalist" like in the West, it's more like "STEM theology". Remember that the USSR space program was headed by an Orthodox Russian, and the first man in space (despite the false quote) was Orthodox.
Did your editions have a second story attached?
I found the original okay, very easy to read and invoking a peaceful mood. No religious enlightenment but it did inform me of the backdrop of Franny and Zooey (retroactively)
But yeah that second one was incredibly dull, didn't even finish
>>7539451
Him being orthodox is completely irrelevant.
Every church father I've read or even heard about is a neoplatonist. How come orthodoxy which is so big on tradition rejects the intellectual legacy of the early Christian centuries?
Also I avoid his because it's absolute trash
>do mantra meditation
>spiritual progress happens
Wow, thanks for this 3000 year old information christfags.
>>7539455
>How come orthodoxy which is so big on tradition rejects the intellectual legacy of the early Christian centuries?
Do you even Philokalia?
As for the heavily Platonic thinkers, we reject their theology because Platonism is fundamentally anti-material. That doesn't mean we can't have great respect for Plato, but deriving theology from him is a mistake.
>>7539458
It's about more than just repeating a mantra, it is about living it and your heart rather than lips or thoughts repeating it.
>>7539455
>Him being orthodox is completely irrelevant.
The 2011 BBC documentary "Knocking on Heaven's Door", about the Space Race in the former Union of Soviet Socialist Republics, suggests that, in many people's eyes, Nikolai Fyodorov was the true father of the Soviet space project that put the first man in space.
>>7539474
Philokalia is as you've once said a collection of spiritual writings. So no, not really. Don't plan to in the near future.
While I wouldn't even argue it was anti material, and even if it was it was never seen as a dogma and was heavily modified to fit Christianity.
>>7539497
Ok? We aren't discussing Russians in space here, it's still unrelated to anything.
>>7539301
>(not Buddhist, more Vedantic)
what differs between the two ? do you not do anapassati and then to gain vipassana ?
>>7539499
>Philokalia is as you've once said a collection of spiritual writings
It includes plenty of early Christian thought, including Desert Fathers.
>While I wouldn't even argue it was anti material,
It most certainly was. Plato is all about the material being an illusion and transcending it through reason.
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and even if it was it was never seen as a dogma and was heavily modified to fit Christianity.
Christian Platonism makes no more sense than Platonist Christianity (Gnosticism).
>Ok? We aren't discussing Russians in space here, it's still unrelated to anything.
You said Orthodoxy was completely irrelevant to the space program. Fyodorov's thought completely revolved around Orthodox Christianity.
>>7539477
That's exactly what a mantra is in eastern traditions.
You think eastern niggas are just repeating all this stuff for shits and giggles?
>>7539555
I don't think any Eastern mantra has the same implications or function as the Jesus Prayer, no.
>>7539560
Then you know nothing about Eastern Traditions and should refrain from making any claims about these practices and how they compare to Western practices.
>>7539567
But you're an expert on Orthodox Traditions, right?
>>7539546
>It includes plenty of early Christian thought, including Desert Fathers.
Excluding everything else.
>It most certainly was. Plato is all about the material being an illusion and transcending it through reason.
True I guess.
>Christian Platonism makes no more sense than Platonist Christianity (Gnosticism).
It does as shown by Augustine, the greatest of the Church Fathers and of course Justin the Martyr and other less influential fathers.
>You said Orthodoxy was completely irrelevant to the space program. Fyodorov's thought completely revolved around Orthodox Christianity.
I said that space program was completely irrelevant to our theological discussion.
But if it was are you saying that theology which has a strong basis in reason has appeared in the 20th century after rejecting it since the schism?
