Darwinism is false and disgusting.
Darwinism is not just a scientific hypothesis, it is essentially a cosmology, a view of the universe, and an origins myth, a view of how life came to be. Under the evolutionist cosmology, order arises out of chaos (even though this very notion is against all reason and logic). A series of unintelligent acts can cause an intelligence to exist (even though this too is against the laws of causation). At the Christian or even the Platonic or Aristotelian the foundation and end of all things, the Alpha and Omega, is one, perfect, omnipresent and omnipotent Act, a substance of substance, the thought of thought, the goodness of goodness, the beauty of beauty - essentially, God. Though responsible for all change/movement, he remains unchanged - the Unmoved Mover. Contrary to this Darwinism sees the foundation of things as random particle chaos, and there is no end of things (no goal, purpose, telos).
Right when young men and women are at the time when they begin to develop a view of the world, and right when they begin to feel sexual desire, they are told that they are the sons and daughters of random chaos, and it is more or less implied that their sole purpose for being is to compete with their biological competitors for sex, and then die. Sex and death is their life. This is disgusting. If I had children I would never allow them to be taught this. What a cynical and disgusting view of life. To say that all goodness, truth, and beauty is the fabrication of mammalian brain whose main imperative is to "spread its genes".
Now, it's a principle of politics that no movement can become powerful and influential in society unless it is backed and funded by wealthy and powerful men. It is no accident that Darwinism has been ruthlessly enforced in our education systems. It has been funded by men with an agenda. Marx thought Darwinism was the basis for his materialist view of history; Darwinism was the basis of Hitler's racial supremacist and eugenecist State; and in our liberal societies Darwinism promotes individualism, the war of all against all, sexual immorality / the break-down of traditional morals and families, ruthless consumerism by saying that we are material creatures who have only material ends. The capitalists love Darwinism because it flatters them with the idea that they are Übermenschen who have conquered due to their superior fitness. Socialists/Communists love Darwinism because if men are purely material creatures then all their needs can be provided for by the State, and the ape brain can be totally dominated by education/propaganda.
/lit/ - /sci/ bat
>Marx thought Darwinism was the basis for his materialist view of history
Marx already had that worked out before he even read Darwin... Hegel was more influential on Marx than Darwin...
>Darwinism was the basis of Hitler's racial supremacist and eugenecist State
Maybe Darwin via Haeckel
>The capitalists love Darwinism because it flatters them with the idea that they are Übermenschen who have conquered due to their superior fitness
Darwinism isn't a social theory, it's purely biological
Evolutionism in general is part of the rise of the new Gnosticism/Pantheism which is essentially the hidden doctrine of the Modern era. Every society has its priesthood, by necessity. Every society needs to have a set of accepted doctrines/principles universally held, in order to bind the people together in one mind and establish order. The priesthood is the class responsible for educating the people, telling them what to believe. The difference between the Middle Ages and today is that the priesthood of the Middle Ages openly preached its doctrine, whereas the priesthood of Modernity is an occult, that is a hidden, priesthood. Its doctrine is humanist, pantheist, esoteric. Its essential notion is the belief in an immanent divinity that is present in the world, the World Soul, and that this World Soul or World Mind is evolving throughout history, that the evolution of minerals into animals into human consciousness will pave the way to a united collective consciousness at the end of time, under a collective World State. United Humanity will be God. It sounds farfetched but this is essentially what people believe today. When people talk about "Progress", this is what they are talking about. The idea that history is evolving, that humanity is becoming more humane, science is becoming more scientific, morality is becoming more moral, and eventually we will arrive at utopia, heaven on earth. There is no longer salvation from above by the deity coming to earth, rather, salvation from below as the deity evolves from particles into animals into minds into the World Mind. Read Hegel or Teilhard de Chardin, two of the more articulate prophets of this cult. One day the world would up and found itself pantheist.
This view is not even new. It's essentially a rip-off of the ancient Brahminism. Brahmins had the idea of the Big Bang and evolution. That's where the 18th century "philosophes" got the idea (evolution) from, ancient Hindu texts.
>>7536400
>Marx already had that worked out before he even read Darwin... Hegel was more influential on Marx than Darwin...
Hegel's evolutionism was idealistic not materialistic like Marx's. Marx wrote to Darwin and praised him and said that Darwin's theory provided the basis for his.
>Darwinism isn't a social theory
lol
Aight, let's try to save this thread:
How should one explore it's spirituality on the modern world without being religious?
I consider myself a sort of optimistic agnostic, but I think that it's so hard to explore my metaphysical/spiritual side in this postmodern society, so what do you recommend /lit/?
>>7536417
Marx already had "historical materialism" worked out by the late 1840s, he never read Darwin till the late 1850s. Darwin was an influence on Marx like Lewis H. Morgan was, he would have came up with his theories without them...
The core Darwinian principles of variation, inheritance, and selection aren't actually literally occurring at a societal level, "social evolution" can only be an analogy.
>Darwinism is not just a scientific hypothesis, it is essentially a cosmology, a view of the universe, and an origins myth, a view of how life came to be.
Stopped reading right there. You don't know what Darwinism is, or what the Theory of Evolution posits. Darwin never argued how life came to be, he theorized how life changed from that moment onwards through natural selection. Hence why it's called Evolution. Now, if you want to have a discussion on the topic, go and actually read Darwin. Thank you.
>Reality must be perfect because I want it to be
Cry more
>Under the evolutionist cosmology, order arises out of chaos (even though this very notion is against all reason and logic).
Good one
>>7536365
>>7536365
Order comes out of Chaos in almost if not all creation myths you pleb.
>what is Tehom
>what is Chaos the dude/place
And you have to be completely stupid to think order arising from chaos is against the notion of all reason..
>>7536418
Spirituality cannot exist without religion. There is no spirit to do anything about.
>>7536418
Bach's Cantata BWV 12 - Conducted by Rilling
>order comes out of chaos
All order is temporary or an illusion and will eventually dissipate back into chaos
Hail Eris
hey religious fag/s. is human sacrifice immoral?
>>7536758
Is the gun an immoral means of hunting? The mop immoral means of cleaning?
Not immoral, but personally distasteful
>>7536758
Well I mean, the major time it happened biblically was when everyone was being retarded for lack of leadership. So I guess the answer is it's ok in a lawless environment.
>>7536844
also, i gotta say, you're a fucking retard if you think the moral nature of human sacrifice can be equated to using a mop to clean. they are categorically different instances, unless you're claiming that sacrifice itself is merely a means to an end, then you still havent answered the question of whether it's immoral using any type of objective moral basis.
Darwinism is not how life came to be but rather how life changes. You are refering to abiogenesis, a comcept Darwin doesnt even discuss.
Honestly, as a Muslim who accepts the theory of evolution as a tentative explanation of speciation, I hate it when people talk about fields that they have little to no understanding of and just combine what they have heard from others in a smorgasbord of antagonism.
Furthermore, this belong on /his/.
>>7536907
>objective moral claim
>objective
>moral
Pick one
>>7536958
once again, isnt that one of the main utilities of religion? if that's out the window, what the fuck is religion but wearing funny hats while eating crackers and stoning women to death on personal whim?
>>7536925
Well, the mop cleans well. Human sacrifice does what it does well as well
It's immoral if your God calls it immoral. But who cares about his opinion anyway
Is it immoral if an asteroid destroys life on a planet?
>>7536969
Now you're getting it! Go (insert local sports team here)
>>7536994
i guess you atheists can't read. clearly the question was directed towards religious fags.
>>7537007
I have my Gods and they don't have a particular opinion on the subject. Do what thou wilt
>>7536986
>Human sacrifice does what it does well
And what's that? Beyond letting the people in charge of the religion bump off whoever they like, of course...
>>7536407
i like you.
>>7537061
Fun things happen when the soul leaves the body
Lots of fun things happen when lots of souls leave lots of bodies
>>7537128
Shhh, don't talk about magic and mysticism, they'll all yell at you to go back to /x.
>>7536365
But Darwinism is scientifically correct. Man isn't a special snowflake in the animal kingdom. Sorry.
>>7537128
...or, back in reality, the dying brain has a hallucination.
>>7536407
Consciousness is already there.
>>7536969
Religion unites spirituality with order. Both were necessary for evolution of society.
That being said, I'm not implying that spirituality is dead.
How could anyone possibly think we evolved from monkeys? I'll rather believe we were aliens from the pleidies that settled and create a pre-ice age global civilisation called Atlantis and discovered vril energy than that stupid bs.
>>7537235
...anon, you have a tailbone.
A bone. For a tail.
You do the math.
>>7537287
Not him, but it's more of a largely accepted theory about it.
4chan being religious is just a meme that will last a couple of months.
it's a counter movement to reddit and atheism, but it will soon stop becoming cool to believe in fairytales and christ.
this is such a banal debate it isn't even worth entertaining it, god (described by the creator in most religions) doesn't exist, end of story. debating if one single religion is true or not is not something intelligent people should be doing.
>>7537366
This comment was being made since I started posting a year and a half ago.
The simpler explanation is this- there are religious people on the site who have out of place views so they stand out.
>>7537366
>this is such a banal debate it isn't even worth entertaining it, god (described by the creator in most religions) doesn't exist, end of story
quite ironic seeing you pronounce god as "dead" based on the very same whim ('banal', i.e. not fashionable or cool) you describe atheismposting had converted to christposting and vice versa.
>>7536407
Where can I read more about this? Sounds fascinating and very esoteric.
Where does on even begin.
>>7536365
OP is a fag and should try READING Darwin's "On the Origin of Species" for a change.
Nuff said.
Idiots like you are the reason we can't have intelligent discussions.
>>7537043
>Do what thou wilt
Hey look it's a Wiccan.
>>7538699
More like a Thelemite, geeze
>>7537389
Religion is very powerful especially for the downtrodden, outcast, scum demographic. It is essentially the only thing that 'changes lives'. that is why it hasn't gone away
>>7536365
>evolution is chaotic and random
Fuck off.
