Why do some people think there would be nothing after death?
There's no more evidence for that than there is for the existence of Heaven or Hell or reincarnation or whatever else.
Not shitposting, genuinely curious.
burden of proof, there is no reason to assume something is when evidence is lacking
>>7524049
Neurology, mostly.
If you fuck up the brain, you lose faculties and your personality gets fucked up.
Since "pieces of you" disappear as parts of your brain are damaged and removed, it stands to reason that brain death = end of you.
On the other hand, you came into this existence from nothing, and you will be presumably returning to the same nothing you emerged from, so why is it impossible to be reborn?
>>7524052
This
>>7524052
But you have evidence. You were born into this life.
Your one data point says that after nothing comes something.
Doesn't that make it unscientific to not believe in reincarnation?
>>7524052
Can't that go the other way, though? Like, there's no evidence there's nothing after death. So doesn't the burden of proof also apply to that?
>>7524174
Well, there's the experience of everyone where there's nothing before birth (or do you remember anything?), so it's reasonable to assume the same for the time after death
>>7524049
No, lets be real.
Most people did believe in the possibility of something being after death when they genuinely thought that there was a spirit in the body animating it.
They thought this because the spirit can "leave" an otherwise seemingly intact body, and the idea was where the fuck is it going? So many explanations were given. heaven, rebirth, etc.
Now that we know the "person" is basically electricity in a very complicated and fragile biological organ there is no mystery into what is animating the body. Its the brain. We know its there and we can fuck with it and even change the person.
There is now no reason to believe in a spirit. The spirit was a reasonable explanation in the past, but now its superfluous.
If a spirit does exist what the fuck is it? If I blast your brain with electricity and make you a retard then kill you is your spirit retarded?
Its just "extra".
In the realm of total possibility its true that you cant prove there is nothing after death or no spirit or whatever. But the point is that even if it exists there is no evidence in this world that implies it exists.
There are literally infinite superfluous explanation for everything.
>>7524173
Now this is shitposting.
>>7524184
"It is not more surprising to be born twice than once; everything in nature is resurrection." —Voltaire
Consciousness is a strange loop. The system supporting it ends when your blood stops getting oxygen to your brain. No loop, no you. Deaf, blind, no thoughts ever again? Sounds like nothing to me.
And no, muh infinity doesn't mean your you will occur again. There are different sets of infinities, eternal recurrence isn't necessary.
>>7524180
What if it's something we just don't/can't understand?
>>7524180
>he doesn't know about the doctrines on the Body and the Soul
Get this Cartesian crap off my Catholic literature board.
>>7524646
What if you are an alien.
>>7524646
What if all sorts of shit.
>>7524646
You are presupposing the soul. No rational person gives any credence to an idea if there is no evidence for its existence and has no theoretical proof due to being "impossible to understand".
>>7524197
>Muh GEB
It's a cool idea but let's not act like le meta man solved the problem of consciousness
>>7524197
You just changed the definition of 'infinity' to suit your own purposes.
>>7524682
He did. Do you have a coherent argument for something else?You don't.
GEB? I Am A Strange Loop is clearer about it.
>>7524698
What do you mean? There are infinite odd numbers and that infinity is equal to the infinity of all numbers. Does that help? Or does this undermine something you hold dear?
>>7524064
>On the other hand, you came into this existence from nothing, and you will be presumably returning to the same nothing you emerged from, so why is it impossible to be reborn?
Nothing in the universe will ever again come together in a stable manner to recreate the exact molecular arrangement of your grown brain with all its memories intact.
So if we define identity based on that, you are simply extremely unlikely to exist again.
But identity is tricky on its own. Is it really the same person when it has all the same memories?
ITT: High school sophistry
>>7524710
Why the fuck did you post that image and is that Dana Scully?
I'm revolted.
>>7525640
Haha, and you?
>>7524710
Who is this semen demon?
>>7524174
There has to be a baseline claim either accepted empirically, or if there isn't a consensus, then the claim of no or nothing is default.
It'd be like, one claims there is a link between browsing 4chan and getting cancer, and let's assume there's no consensus either way. Because a link is something and not nothing, the burden is on establishing the link, not proving that it doesn't exist.
Russell's Teapot plays with this idea as well.
>>7525653
Sheryl.
>>7525653
>>7525892
thank you
>>7524049
Recent studies correlate levels of autism with atheism, the more you connect with everybody the more likely you believe there is a god, oneness, or whatever you want to call it.
Modern physics just keep every possibility open, there is no such thing truer than other, there could be god or vectors that existed forever, or whatever.
no one understands the meaning of 'nothing' so to say nothing will happen is cozily meaningless
>>7526028
Low autism level means you're more likely to be "normal" and believe whatever your society believes. In the middle ages autists may have have been more likely to believe the world is a sphere and the stars are suns. Thinking for yourself is not always wrong.
Because that's what they want to believe.
What the fuck have became of /lit/
>>7526028
>Recent studies correlate levels of autism with atheism, the more you connect with everybody the more likely you believe there is a god, oneness, or whatever you want to call it.
Recent studies correlate lower IQ scores with religious faith, the stupider you are the more likely you are to believe there is a god, oneness, or whatever you want to call it.
>>7524064
Why are you so fixated on the notion that "you" must be reborn?
http://www.accesstoinsight.org/tipitaka/mn/mn.038.than.html
This sutta should answer some questions in this thread
/lit/
>>7527424
And the majority of the most fucked up serial killers have an above average IQ.
http://www.examiner.com/article/22-serial-killers-with-high-iqs
What conclusion can we make?
IQ means utter shit when it comes to intelligence and religion.
>>7528046
Not him but:
http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0160289608000238
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religiosity_and_intelligence
Also
>NOT LITERATURE, NOT /lit/.
>>7524646
Exactly. That's why there's no reason not to believe in karma, unicorns, and fairies.
>>7528065
What does serial killers being intelligent have to do with any of this?
>>7528095
>empirical science, using empirical methods and axioms arrives at the fact that people believing in non-empirical beings are 'less intelligent'
wew
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>>7524180
It could be just that if you fuck up the body, including the brain, the spirit loses connection or control.
>>7528157
But you could believe in all of those things.
>>7524173
>Your one data point says that after nothing comes something.
It wasn't nothing, it was cells and proteins and shit that eventually formed into a thinking human being.
So in the same sense, there may be "something" after death, but most likely not the afterlife we'd like to live.
>>7524173
Do you believe that when a toilet breaks and ceases to function its "spirit" flies away to begin a new existence in the afterlife? No, it simply falls apart. Man is a mechanical construction governed by the same rules as any other mechanical construction. When bits break we stop working.
>>7531290
Does a toilet have subjectivity? No.
Come back when you've solved the hard problem of consciousness, or even why we experience "identity" at all and aren't p-zombies.
try and remember something from before you were born
yeah theres your answer
>>7524049
i think there is an afterlife, but its only one way to be sure right?
>>7531464
You fear my conclusion
All that is so much handwaving and squawking
Even if I am charitable and lend your equivocatory nonsense credence, it is still far more likely that humans are like everything else rather than the only special snowflake repository of nonphysical consciousness-ether in the universe. Ridiculous
>>7531472
Why would your state before birth be the same as after death? I mean, it could be. But thag doesn't mean it is.
