Find a flaw.
You like it.
Supreme mediocrity.
The way he described Julia was cringe worthy in my opinion. Almost like how a male teenager would describe their ideal girl
>>7503588
Literally nothing in this book actually happened in 1984.
the premise of the book (that society in the postwar age was heading towards totalitarianism) has been decisively refuted by history.
>>7503588
The third act was shit.
Women and plot ruined it.
expected conspiracy, wound up reading Lifetime-tier romance scenes, with some mention of a cartoonishly evil government. terrible book, terrible author.
>>7503616
2666 > 1984
>>7503588
Orwell's better as an idea man, he's wrote some fantastic essays but his fiction material is shit beyond belief, he's like a very poor, poor version of Bulgakov.
I feel like the book didn't need to go on post room 101, the meeting of julia again made the point too heavy handed.
>>7503653
>like a very poor, poor version of Bulgakov.
my god this
>>7503588
It was written by a socialist self hating cuckold
>>7503616
Checkmate Orwelleists.
Did the romance ruin it for anyone else? I was fine up until then and was even enjoying it. I even felt embarrassed for the author reading through most parts with Julia. Would've been ten times better if there was no romance subplot.
Julia is super 1-sided and only exists as a romantic element in order to further the plot.
>>7505222
It's integral to the ACTUAL theme. Read it again, familia.
>>7503588
your standing on one
>>7503638
underrated
>>7503638
rekt
>>7503588
>Find a flaw.
back to /pol/ faggot
The one big flaw about this novel is the third act. Simplistic, edgy, emberassing. Up until there it's a masterpiece.
>>7506743
>emberassing
It doesn't offer a feminist perspective.
The criticism of Soviet socialism as an underlying theme of this book (as with others by him) is very weak and a clear propaganda tool for capitalists who like to point to this and say "aha! See? Orwell says you're wrong and totalitarian!!!"
When in reality, Orwell was also a socialist, just more of a Trotskyite than a Maoist or a Leninist.
What Orwell seemed to fear the most, like other socialist sympathizers who hated the USSR, isn't socialism or communism, it's the aesthetic of socialism and communism. Orwell feared the way it looked--the militarism, the flag waving, monument-building, dogmatic, uniform-wearing, collectivist mindset.
It's a battle of fashion sense and style, not really of ideas. He never clearly defines how Ingsoc went from a socialist party to a fascist one.
The book was wonderful when I first read it but I always like to see it more as a criticism of Nazi Germany or other fascist countries, not the USSR (because the comparison really doesn't work there).
>>7503621
>being this blue-pilled
I say the following not to try to impress, cuz that would be lame. I'm just kind of normal. But I might be a different demographic from other folks here. I'm 34. I haven't been to 4chan before tonight in over 6 years. I have a wife and 2 year old son. Employed, home owner. I'm super normal. 1984 is the greatest novel ever written.
>>7507248
Explains why you have such poor taste then, normie.
>>7507248
>implying that a well adjusted individual is capable of being patrician and forming accurate opinions
>>7507227
>not going back to /pol/
>>7507248
Why is this turning into a meme?
Have we failed DFW this much? We really can't read a genuine post without memefying it within mere minutes nowadays?
>>7507294
Everything in life returns back to memes, anon
>>7503609
Thing is Orwell wants you to like Julia so you feel bad when she gets carted off to Miniluv like Winston.
I didn't like Julia or Winston to be honest. In fact, O'Brien is the only one there that I like. The guy is a badass. I'd like to be in his line of work.
>>7503609
Except that was the intention. Winston is stuck in a sexually repressed society, did you forget his only other sexual experience is with his wife who treated sex like a job, therefore there was no satisfaction in doing it?
He also pretty much went through a cycle from wanting to kill her, then rape her, and finally fall for her. Even what he went through up until O'Brien's last trial was a showcase of a strong teenage puppy love.
It's literally dated.
>>7508013
Heh, nothin personal kid.
>>7508085
Aren't edgy fedora types supposed to be anti-establishment?
>>7508109
For one thing they're the type who use the word "badass" unironically
>>7508129
Who said it was unironic?
>>7503588
Winston's dick
>>7507073
>I always like to see it more as a criticism of Nazi Germany or other fascist countries, not the USSR (because the comparison really doesn't work there).
Nice wishful thinking bruv.
Your neighbour being a secret police agent that spies on your shit was a reality in many commie countries.
>>7503605
this
I'm almost finished the first act and all I can say is it is of an annoyingly indifferent quality
the notion that 'HISTORY HAS BEEN ALTERED SPOOK' became nagging to the point of me not liking the book
>>7508144
The USSR had "Soviets"--local councilors, governors, etc. They knew who you were and where your loyalties layed.
Nazi Germany had people accusing their parents and just a huge mass of paperwork trying to get the right ancestry to make sure you're not lumped in with inferior genes. THAT'S dystopic. To be a socialist in the USSR, just give up a few properties and renounce capitalist ideas, and you're good.
To survive in Nazi Germany, your only option was to run away or hide because you can't change or pretend to be something that is fundamentally a part of who you are (black, a jew, disabled, etc.)
>>7507073
That part were they were all saying comrade sure had a lot to do with nazi germany
I know it probably sounds pleb but I thought the Goldstein book was really tiresome reading. I skip it on re-reads.
>>7507073
>It's a battle of fashion sense and style, not really of ideas.
It's a goddamn critique / exploration of totalitarianism of both sides of the political spectrum you twat.
>He never clearly defines how Ingsoc went from a socialist party to a fascist one.
Read some goddamn history books.
