Some quick facts before we start:
Writing form: Dialogue is a conversation between two or more people. Euthyphro is a dialogue between Socrates and Euthyphro. They discuss what holiness, piety, and justice is.
Characters: Euthyphro is a young priest. Socrates is the infamous philosopher.
Setting: Just before Socrates's trial. Euthyphro is charging his own father with murder and impiety. Socrates begins to question the morality behind this action.
I am afraid I won't understand? No worries! This is Plato's easiest dialogue to comprehend and you don't really need any knowledge beforehand, except for these basic facts.
This is one of Plato's early dialogues.
DISCLAIMER: I am by no means an expert on Plato but I still find them enjoyable to read and I hope you find it as enjoyable.
No, fuck Plato and fuck Socrates. The Philosopher > those faggots
Boring, why not do Protagoras? I think it's the better dialogue and covers some of the same ground but more intelligently and entertainingly
>>7466070
>this is what Americans actually believe
>>7466058
Plato is a meme philosopher. Try Tao Lin.
>>7466070
Okay
>>7466073
Protagoras is rather long and more difficult to understand. Euthyphro is a great read for someone who has never read Plato in their lives. There are some history buffs here who might not have read a philosophy book or at least not one of Plato. And Euthyphro has an interesting problem that is not covered in Protagoras. Also, I don't think anyone has done this before. At least I couldn't find it on the archive.
I have to run some errands. I will start the reading in about 40 minutes.
>>7466080
Socrates was a gigantic faggot and deserved death. He was creating unrest so soon after Athens was devastated by the Peloponnesian War.
>But he was trying to show them the proper way to live to help them
No, he was a faggot and just liked fucking with people.
>>7466058
Was discussing Euthyphro with some friends on facebook a week or two ago, and wrote up my observations of the first few passages (and then broke off continuing; it's fuckin tiring to do readings this way). I have some thoughts on the later passages as well, but maybe these notes on the opening might be interesting.
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Ehhh. The Euthyphro is fine. There's one instance in particular that stands out, but it's really not much, namely the instance in which Socrates asks if something is pious because it is loved by the gods or if it is pious and is thus loved by the gods. Euthyphro is a little lacking if you aren't reading the Apology and the Crito as well.
I mean, sure, you could say he discusses justice here, but he certainly doesn't get around to saying what justice is until the Republic; that's basically the entire purpose of the Republic, anyway.
Euthyphro is a fun one; a classic example of Socratic virtue outsmarting arrogance. It's a work of both ethics and reasoning.
>>7466058
How did you want to do this, OP?
>>7466412
>There's one instance in particular that stands out, but it's really not much, namely the instance in which Socrates asks if something is pious because it is loved by the gods or if it is pious and is thus loved by the gods.
I found that passage kind of shocking, actually. Euthyphro accepts that the pious is loved by the gods because it's pious (the alternative I suppose would lead to the idea of the gods as functioning by arbitrary fiat), but the implication, not really spelled out so explicitly, is that there's no point in worshipping or modeling yourself after the gods, since you could skip them for what is pious in itself (the example Euthyphro uses of Zeus as his model, because he's the best and most just of the gods, looks ridiculous in light of this claim; why not model oneself after the Just itself?). That made Socratic piety seem much more confusing and made it at least a little bit clearer why his religious views in particular were considered suspect.
This still happening or what?
>>7469939
Where can I read it online?
>>7470094
http://classics.mit.edu/Plato/euthyfro.html
It's the Jowett translation.
Mit Classics
Sacred-texts
>>7470109
Thanks. last time I tried Plato I started with the Republic and couldn't get into it beyond a few parts; this is a much easier read
>>7470199
The Republic is best saved for later. Euthyphro is easy however, things toughen up once you reach Phaedo.
>>7470199
Cheers.
The Republic isn't impossible to go through as a total noob to Plato, but it's certainly very involved and hard nonetheless. Euthyphro is deceptively inviting in comparison.
