>>7445034
I haven't heard of the book before but the US are complete bastards when it comes to the Kurds. They exploit them however they want. At least with Turkey, they're always dogs to the Kurds but with the US they'll not support one group to appease Turkey and they'll fund another to commit terrorist attacks in Iran and they'll support another to fight terrorists they funded.

Bastards.

>>7445055
Did you read the link? The Kurdish set up there is extraordinary, especially for the Middle East.

>>7445065
I don't think you understand my comment. I know of Rojava. I'm speaking about US policy with Kurds.

>>7445068
Oh, yeah. The U.S. is pretty awful. I'm not sure what our policy game is in the Middle East. It seems to be Just Fuck My Shit Up.

>>7445071
It's more like "what's the easiest and quickest way to get this thing I want now without considering the consequences?" and "how can I juggle the ideas and perspectives of all these people I don't know about in the simplest manner?"

Like with PJAK, the US helped fund it to commit some terrorism in Iran. But then with Rojava, it opposes it on grounds of NATO solidarity with Turkey and possibly "socialism is evil" meme. And then with other Kurdish infantry groups in Iraq, it supports them militarily against Da'ish, which the US helped indirectly through the beginnings of the Syrian revolution and through supporting Qatar, Turkey, and Saudi.

>>7445083
How is that Russia, of all countries, has so much more finesse in regard to the Middle East and working with ideological differences, than we do?

>>7445092
I don't know. I think it's because our major ally in the region is Saudi and the other corrupt gulf states. We support dictators there like in Bahrain, Yemen, Egypt which opposed the revolutions there. Yemen is now a disaster, Bahrain killed many and went nowhere, but with Egypt at least the US stopped support but then the military still took control in the end and solidified its power.

Russians and Chinese are more hands-off so they end up making less mistakes.

>>7445092
Russia is a grey haired veteran, America is still an excited young lad.

>>7445034
Well, I fucking want to read it now. So...

>>7445034
Kurds gon' get duped. Gain a state but lose their freedom.

>>7446122
PKK isn't looking for a state

is PKK the new version? like Spanish anarchists in the 30s, and Zapatistas in the 90s/00s

>>7446822
Well, sort of. But they have three major operations in three states, Turkey, Iraq and Syria.

>>7446822
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_QwfpdBz6wY

>>7447238
Funny how the West idolizes them but they lead to the Kurdish situation, helped Saddam and Turkey killed them, and use them to carry out terrorism in Iran and Iraq.

>>7447245
>the West idolizes the
What? They're considered terrorists, and didn't you read the OP?


>When it comes to Rojava, Russia is approaching the Kurds with a significant amount of caution as it does not want to open up another military front against Assad. The USA however, is openly hostile towards Rojava. The USA went as far as not allowing entrance to Salih Muslim into the USA for a conference. During the Geneva Conferences, despite Russia's insistence, the USA was adamant in blocking an independent Kurdish delegation from attending the conference. Currently, both the USA and the Turkish government are imposing their policies on Rojava through the agency of the KDP. However, it can't be said that they are being successful.

Also, did you read the link in the OP?

>>7447478
The Western people, media. And the government has supported PJAK in the past and Kurdish groups now.

>>7447508
Of course, they're opposed to Iran. That's very different from Kurds engaged with Turks, who are deeply frowned upon

>A report by Interpol published in 1992 states that the PKK, along with nearly 178 Kurdish organizations were suspected of illegal drug trade involvement. Also Interpol's chief narcotics officer Iqbal Hussain Rizvi stated in 1992 that the PKK was also heavily involved in drug trafficking, but didn't show any evidences[115] Members of the PKK have been designated narcotics traffickers by the U.S. Department of the Treasury.[64] However, The Federal Office for the Protection of the Constitution, Germany's domestic security agency, echoed this finding in its 2011 Annual Report on the Protection of the Constitution, stating that despite the U.S Department of Treasury designation, there was "no evidence that the organisational structures of the PKK are directly involved in drug trafficking".[116]

>>7448102
The Turks have massacred innocent Kurds throughout their history and NATO doesn't speak out against it. Saddam did the same in Anfal campaign.

>>7448122
Right, that is because Turkey is in NATO. Therefore Kurds that go up against Turkey will be designated as terrorists.

>>7448338
What about innocent Kurds that are killed? Why is NATO automatically "good" and anti-terrorist?

>>7448346
NATO isn't a moral organization. Morality is purely a pretense. You do realize that Saudi Arabia is a leader on the UN Human Rights Council? Turkey invaded Iraq, ffs, and NATO isn't doing anything about, and Saudi Arabia is sending help. The only countries raising a peep about it are Russia and Iran.

>>7448750
I know it isn't moral. I thought you were saying Turkey was justified (from an ethical perspective) in killing Kurds within its border who are political dissidents but not violent and some who are related to political dissidents but are not involved in said dissidence because of its ties to NATO. Sorry for the misunderstanding.

>>7448750
Fuck Turkey.

I never understood the concept America and NATO had in thinking you could miliarily support the Kurds and NOT promote their independence movement. FFS, if the moderates win, the Syrian and Iraqi regions will never submit