http://www.independent.co.uk/voices/i-love-dick-is-one-of-the-most-important-books-about-being-a-woman-no-wonder-it-s-being-dismissed-a6721336.html
>It’s hard to explain exactly what I Love Dick is: autofiction; an epistolary novel; fantasy; or, according to early critics, a gossipy invasion of a feted art critic’s privacy. But how it is categorised is less important than the reaction to the book.
>Ferrante, in a recent Vanity Fair interview said: “Often that which we are unable to tell ourselves coincides with that which we do not want to tell, and if a book offers us a portrait of those things, we feel annoyed, or resentful, because… reading about them disturbs us.”
>The same sense of being disturbed afflicts critics of Kraus’s book - many of whom refuse to read it at all, denying it is art and dismissing it as gossip.
>Women can be as destructive, possessive and prone to rage as men, it turns out: but discovering that is what terrifies them, while exhilarating women.
/lit/ misogynists BTFO. I bet you shitlords haven't even read this stunning and brave work of modern fiction yet. It's not gossip, it's art--and men are just scared.
>>7440528
everybody trust this man's informed opinion
>>7440518
>Chris Kraus
I can't tell what would be worse: that being a pen name, or that being a real name
>>7440539
"Eh..yes...KLOWS...Mr. KLOWS"
A girl I was seeing over the summer had this book. I read a few pages of it. The writing wasn't very good. Can't say much else about it, though.
>>7440528
Mary McCarthy's autobiography has a section about the penises of guys she fucked:
> was able to compare the sexual equipment of the various men I made love with and there were amazing differences, in both length and massiveness. One handsome married man, who used to arrive with two Danishes from a very good bakery, had a penis about the size and shape of a lead pencil; he shall remain nameless. In my experience there was usually a relation to height, as Philip Rahv and Bill Mangold, both tall men, bore out. There may be dwarfish men with monstrously large organs, but I have never known one. It was not until later, after my second divorce, that I met an impotent man or a pervert (two of the latter)... None of my partners, the reader will be relieved to hear, had a venereal disease."
—Intellectual Memoirs (1992)
It's sad when even an intelligent, literary woman has to do this shit just to get readers. It's kind of normal for the average chick, though. Imagine a guy (any guy) doing this with vagina, everyone would be bored to death.
>>7440528
>RAAAAAAAH I'M A GENIUS
>PLEASE TREAT ME LIKE A GENIUS EXCEPT NOT REALLY I GUESS
>HERE'S A GORILLION PAGES ABOUT TENNIS, IMMATURITY, SELF-CONSCIOUS WANKING INTERSPERSED WITH MUSINGS ABOUT MY GENITALS AND ALL THE AUDIENCE PUSSY I FUCK'S GENITALS
>>7440546
I was more remarking on the fact that it reads as "criss-cross". Apparently it is her real name, so my condolences go out to her.
would berry and feel disgusted with myself afterwards
>>7440568
It must be the christmas spirit!
>>7440557
But when Philip Roth does it, he's talking about the human condition. Not vulgar shit at all.
>>7440590
I would say that aside from /r9k/ types, nobody but religious kooks cares about that shit nowadays.
>>7440610
>le sexually liberated intellectual
filthy degenerate
>>7440557
I liked that passage.
>>7440590
Roth sucks tho.
>>7440590
gosh, its like you could almost say both jews and women are shitty excuses for writers
>>7440590
Roth is kinda funny though. My ex had this book, and I've read a good bit of it. Not funny.
>>7440711
>thinking /pol/ reads books
they got infographics bro
>>7440623
>implying anyone cares about a high sex drive woman's paragraph in some obscure autobiography
This book is old as fuck why are people talking about it?
>>7440721
>implying /pol/ needs to read any book other than The Bible
>>7440739
>This book is old as fuck why are people talking about it?
>>7440743
>This book is old as fuck why are people talking about it?
>>7440746
that's different, it's a transcript of oral poetry
>>7440753
>Its a transcription of oral tradition, she doesnt deserve the Nobel!
>>7440753
I Love Dick has plenty of transcription of oral as well
>>7440759
that's different its an adaptation of a popular video game
I will never understand why /r9k/ types think that women being sex obsessed hedonists is some sort of 'red pill knowledge'
we have always known this
The West should start practicing FGM to cut back on the corpus of works like this.
>>7440778
>mfw when people don't realize women being sex obsessed hedonists is pure ideology and older than the bible
>mfw they think they 'arrived' at this knowledge
dis plebs lol
>>7440539
Mari Christmas
>>7440794
Seriously. The clittoral hood is just a useless, unsightly flap of skin that probably makes great cosmetics.
>>7440934
but it taste so sweet mang
Aliens and anorexia was a badass read. Simone weil was a fucking nutjob.
>>7440528
>>7440947
>putting your mouth on a vagina
There aren't enough bombs in the world.
>>7440518
women are egotistic without being explicitly narcissistic.
reminder that only women are able to love sex for sex.
>>7440778
most men are betas precisely because they do not know this
>>7441027
That is a copypasta of an old /r9k/ post
>>7440518
>>7440518
>/lit/ misogynists BTFO. I bet you shitlords haven't even read this stunning and brave work of modern fiction yet. It's not gossip, it's art--and men are just scared.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zUrqUWNcSOg
>>7441055
BEFORE WATCHING THIS
I JUST WANT TO PREDICT THAT IT'S GOING TO BE UNFUNNY AND LACKING PUNCHLINES BUT TRYING TO MAKE UP FOR IT BY BEING "RAH RAH FIGHT THE PATRIARCHY" SASSY THAT JUST COMES ACROSS AS WHINY ASSMAD
IF IT'S TRUE
I'M GONNA POST
>YET MORE PROOF WOMEN CAN'T BE FUNNY
ALRIGHT HANG ON
>>7441055
is this supposed to be bad or make me angry?
>>7441055
This is actually really funny.
>>7441055
male novelists BTFO, Dave Wallace on suicide watch
seriously though except for one or two that was really unfunny
>>7441055
I was confused, then mad, then confused. Why were those people laughing? Was it irony because you could cherry pick quotes like that from female writers as easily as she did? Or were they actually laughing at the juxtaposition of the joke intro and seriousness of the topics discussed?
YET MORE PROOF WOMEN CAN'T BE FUNNY
>>7441083
Why?
>>7441071
i can't blame you for not watching all of that one-over-long joke video but you completely missed the point, you must have autism
>>7441087
You like something I don't agree with
>>7441091
Oh, OK. :/
>>7441094
Yeah, that's right, bitch.
>>7441096
meanie pants ;_;
>>7440518
>Chris Kraus
>>7441055
"war is hell" one was pretty funny though
>>7441148
>Yank Deez Knicks
>>7440557
Should guys with below average penises just give up on the idea of ever being loved?
>>7440518
>no wonder it is being dismissed
Maybe people just don't want to be seen reading a book titled "I LOVE DICK"?
>>7440934
>clitoral hood
Why not just cut off everything from the urethra up and sew it up until conception, leaving a peehole
>>7441705
Pretty much, yes.
there are two kinds of women
-the whore, who loves money and sex
-the slut, who loves sex and money
>>7441705
>tfw girl with vaginismus dumped me for a guy with pencil dick
>>7440557
reminder that only americans, kuks in denial as they are, think that women can fuck men.
>>7441705
no, it seems you're okay if you bring pastry
>>7441055
Some of those were genuinely funny though, and some of you need to grow a sense of humour and stop getting mad over jokes.
>>7441803
>Some of those were genuinely funny though
Jesus, I can't believe I share a board with you freaks.
>>7441832
I can't believe I share a board with plebs who didn't understand the references and who get so offended when anyone makes fun of their sex.
>>7441751
OF COURSE Korine and Terry hang out.
>>7441055
Wew lad. That may very well be the worst feminist "art" I've ever experienced.
There weren't even any punch lines. It may as well have been a "What's the deal with? Amirite?" sort of skit. And none of which seem on point.
Are references to Cocaine supposed to be a jab at Kerouac? References to alcoholism a jab at Hemingway?
I can't even tell. I assume that her conception of "Male Novelist" is inherently pejorative and thus mutually exclusive from actual greats of literature. But she may also just be retarded.
It's just sad that because 90% of the people that would go to these shitty events are feminists they need to go through all this virtue signalling of laughing at everything hysterically so that they can obtain maximum brownie points.
The only one that could be construed as funny would be the "war is hell" thing, except that there a certain level of selection bias in that 99% or so of Wars have been fought by men, so yeah, obviously the primarily gender that speaks about it is going to be fucking men.
>>7442475
>someone got this triggered
>>7442475
>why can't women can't get that it's just a joke
>>7442427
No I got the references, which is why I was bored. Cracked a smile once or twice but I've heard all those jokes about pretentious hipsters before.
>>7442495
>jokes about pretentious hipsters
What? I don't think you understood it then.
>before
Where?
>>7442475
>I can't take a joke and jokes about men hurt my feelings ;_;
>>7441705
No. Just marry a virgin she'll never have anything to compare you too. Christianity ftw
>>7440518
>Women can be as destructive, possessive and prone to rage as men, it turns out: but discovering that is what terrifies them, while exhilarating women.
That's pretty misogynistic.
>>7442502
in recent memory: https://twitter.com/guyinyourmfa
also any other time a comedian makes fun of academics and psudeo-intellectuals
>>7442527
Why do you follow this twitter if you don't like these type of jokes?
>also any other time a comedian makes fun of academics and psudeo-intellectuals
Are you autistic?
>>7441055
I think I'm stupid because I couldn't even understand the jokes.
What the fuck does "how many male novelists does it take to screw in a lightbulb" even mean? What's its relation to the second part?
This is beyond me.
>>7442543
>provide an example please
>wow you're so autistic for providing an example
Ok, I see we're done talking now.
>>7442554
No, you're autistic because you think this is making fun of academics and pseuds.
>>7440763
underrated tbqh familia
>>7440539
Chris Kraus = Crisscross = Scissoring.
>>7441055
>he lit a cigarette. his glass of whiskey lit a cigarette. i can only love my dead best friend, but not in a gay way
How is this not funny? I'm honestly shaking my head at the people who responded to this in a negative way
>hurr she's making fun of my masculinity
>>7442495
You obviously didn't understand it bud
Just admit that it went over your head and move on
>>7442616
Why are jokes offending you guys?
>>7442616
No you've just been red pilled into oblivion and think that women don't have the ability to be funny
And God forbid when a woman makes fun of masculinity D:
>>7441055
Genuinely kind of funny.
>>7442546
Non-sequiturs are pretty common in jokes.
Ease off on the autism lad.
>American humor
wew
>>7442616
http://www.nicememewebsitewebsitewebsitewebsitewebsite.website/
>>7441055
I thought it was funny. Just substitute "male" for "American".
>>7442727
>turning fine spirits into a joke
No, that shit is not funny.
>>7442736
Good for you. I thought it was.
>>7442741
The cigarettes agree.
lol book nerds couldn't hack the bants
>>7442741
>btw I'm a gril
Fuck off and go get some taste.
>>7442747
I'm not female. I'm just not an overly-sensitive, effeminate pleb.
I'd be really interested in an accurate first person account of woman falling in love, lust or whatever. I find that shit facinating, I mean half of humanity goes through what is considered fundamental human experiences in way different from me because of different neural wiring and endocrine system and what not. I'd like to know what is it like, but questioning my girlfriends and close female friends didn't prove useful because of how intimate the whole thing is.
>>7442485
>>7442491
>>7442510
Nah, I was just scratching my head. Jokes have a type of unique and often unacknowledged artistry to them. Sure, there's so much variety that there can seem to be no rhyme or reason to them, but a lot of the time you can see a type of architecture that's built up over the course of a set or bit that's meant to deliver the punchline with the maximum punch.
Given that this was meant to be just a series of short jokes though the only real metric you can judge it by is word play or accuracy, and it doesn't have either of them.
Generally people don't post dank meme's when they're "triggered". Again, It could be possible that their entire premise is built off categorizing the "male novelist" title as simply a title that's synonymous with "bad writer" rather than actually trying to satirize male writers, but i think they're probably just dumb.
Why would you defend bad comedy? Because her piece basically boils down to "LoL sO randumb XD!"
Perhaps I see no humor in it because I haven't read anything resembling what she's making fun of, but given how general the idea of "male novelist" is i doubt that it works that well anyways.
Personally, I'd say that nearly half of the funniness in comedy is in delivery and hers is completely flat. If she was meaning to go for hyperbole she failed.
>>7442824
>Given that this was meant to be just a series of short jokes though the only real metric you can judge it by is word play or accuracy, and it doesn't have either of them.
But you're wrong. The jokes are phrases that she created to generalize the cliches seen in a lot of novels made by men targeted towards male audience.
Sorry you didn't get it and are now analyzing it like a dumbfuck but it is funny.
You're not going to make it unfunny by flexing your autistic analytic 'skills'.
>>7442824
It's using a common style of joking with a non-sequitur to highlight cliches among authors that are considered manly. The accentuation and juxtaposition makes it funny.
I have autism too, but come on man. You either didn't get it or you have a different sense of humor. Getting offended by this is just stupid.
>>7442854
Fair enough. But i never meant to make it BE unfunny. I'm explaining myself. And I acknowledged that I see no humor in it because I have yet to see or read any of the cliches she's read, besides the "war is hell" one, which I agreed could/is somewhat funny.
No need to get all salty m80
>>7441055
>All the butthurt
white male egoes are so fragile
>>7440561
underrated post
There is at least one very aggressive, very pissed off feminist in this thread. I can't believe people still get like this on 4chan. Where's the ironic detachment? What happens to people that they get so warped into a single "political" point of view that makes them act insane? Horrible.
The book is what it is and so is that stand up. Anyone who thinks any more about it has some kind of emotional hang up that makes them need to add more to it. They have no intention of convincing anyone else in a decent debate or spreading awareness or anything like that...
>>7443000
>Henry Miller is a genius for writing a whole book about his dick
>Chris Kraus is vilified for doing exactly the same thing
and you say literature is not sexist
>>7441055
this is pretty good actually
>>7443025
If this post is serious, then you've just proved my point. If not, nice post, exactly my point.
>>7443000
>There is at least one very aggressive, very pissed off feminist in this thread.
those hysterical women amirite? it isn't like they have been treated as second class citzens for the whole of human history
>>7443061
That may be true, but unless the girl itt is 90 years old, she has been treated the same or better than her male counterparts.
>>7443025
I haven't read that but after having read Tropic of Cancer I can say that for his prose alone Miller deserves every praise he gets.
Fuck off.
>>7443079
>he actually believes this
This thread is proof that men still don't women seriously you dolt
>>7443061
Are you retarded? With all their limitations women always had some form of power that men lacked.
>>7443103
take women*
>>7443110
>women still have something that I don't have! I should have everything that they have and more!
Do you see what you're saying?
>>7443110
Yet that form of power (whatever that may be) didn't allow women to have the same level of power that men have. Not even close.
There were hardly any women in positions of power until recently.
>>7443061
>those hysterical women amirite?
you're less hysterical and more psychotic
and I only mention you because you're acting insane. If this was somehow in person you'd literally be screaming at everyone for every little thing. I can only imagine how angry you must be furiously typing in your bedroom. but of course you'll say this is all just funny to you and you're having a laugh. I only wish it were so.
>>7443147
What the fuck is wrong with you? Does it help you defeat other people's opinions by imagining them in a debased condition, living in squalor?
>>7443158
I guess I've been b8d after all.
>>7443147
>thinks someone clear and concisely debating their views with a hint of sarcasm somehow means they're screaming in their bedroom
Cool strawman
>>7443213
?
I'm not even the person you're responding to. You're just painting a person however you like without justification and thinking that somehow defeats their point.
This is retarded.
>>7443116
That's not what I said, though. Learn to read and stop putting words in people's mouth.
>>7443247
>With all their limitations women always had some form of power that men lacked
You're saying what little power women had should have been able to make up for the much greater power men possessed.
If you weren't saying that then why did you even bring up the 'fact' that women had some sense of power over men (they really didn't)?
>>7443131
Women couldn't choose who they'd marry but they could decide their children's education, they would also have an enourmous influence on those children once adult resulting in indirectly governing countries.
>>7443261
The fuck do you want?
>>7443256
>You're saying what little power women had should have been able to make up for the much greater power men possessed
Again?
>>7443261
>expecting good argumentation from 4chan
>>7443282
>Women couldn't choose who they'd marry but they could decide their children's education
Not only is this false (a lot of men chose to take their kids out of school to come work on the farm or help in their business) but who fucking cares?
>they would also have an enourmous influence on those children once adult resulting in indirectly governing countries
>resulting in indirectly governing countries
You're saying women indirectly ruled the world through their children. Yeah because people do everything that their fucking mom asks them to.
>hey son can you nuke this country for me?
Did you just pull this out of your ass?
Holy kek I hope this is bait
>>7443302
Have you ever opened a history book in your life?
>>7443310
You talking about Nero? Any other examples champ?
>>7443310
>realizes his argument is fucking ridiculous
>o-open a history book whydontcha
>>7443310
>>7443321
The women who had influence politically were usually women of high status. You can see examples from the Ottoman Empire where women from the hareem exerted influence. You can see this with Kosem Sultan or Roxalana. You can also see this in the Umayyad and Abbasid Empire's with the influence mothers, wives, and slavewomen had.
But women from lower classes throughout history did not have much influence except in a few domestic affairs and with labor if they were destitute. Their are obvious exceptions of course, but for example in pre-Islamic Arabia women could not own property.
>>7443321
Read more.
>>7443327
>realizes his argument is fucking ridiculous
Don't remember that ever happened to me even once, sorry.
>>7443334
Meant "there are". Also I'm just interjecting. I am part of neither party.
>>7443334
>The men who had influence politically were usually men of high status
>But men from lower classes throughout history did not have much influence except in a few domestic affairs and with labor if they were destitute
>>7443351
and that's why Marx is right, class warfare now
>>7443337
Yet you continue to not give any other examples
Great argumentation
>>7443131
Also hardly any men.
It's kind of absurd putting it down to gender, when it has continually been our feudal overlords that have controlled everything.
>>7443388
Did those feudal overlords have no gender?
>>7441055
Anyone else spend a significant amount of time complaining about sjws and political correctness but get very upset and angry (not offended though) by the subject matter of this video?
>>7441055
Holy shit, this was actually funny. Bitches up in this thread need to grow up
>>7443430
>spend a significant amount of time complaining about sjws and political correctness
ok
>>7444533
The shirt is inherently sexist because it assumes the boy wanting to pork the daughter would look to him for information witch is inherently patriarchal. It is also on the back of the shirt meaning the only people who would see it would be those behind him and presumably his daughter, meaning that man with the intent of buttfucking his little girl would be staring at her ass which is completly objectifying and wouldn't be the type of man the daughter or presumably the feminist father would want for the child. Unless the daughter is a rebbel of the father and refutes feminism and WANTS the dad to make the rules and WANTS her ass to be looked at in order to make her father upset, to which the father then wears that shirt in order to put the both the shame and responsibility back upon the daughter that obviously just wants to be used as a tool and a slab of hot sauce.
>>7444533
>being an item
>still thinking about "me" and "you"
How to know when it's not gonna last.
This is why I can't think about myself in a relationship, if I can't respect and care about myself how can I grant that to someone else?
