I'm generally liberal but wish to know more about conservative beliefs. Can any one recommend books that give a good account of moderate (ie. no Hitler) conservative views? Bonus points if it gives some contrast or rebuttals to contemporary liberal/progressive ideals.
Both Harold Bloom and Allen Bloom are easy to get into and put up some solid rebuttals to liberalism/progressivism (focus on post 1960s America)
Read a bit of Edmund Burke if you want to get into the political/historical side of conservative ideas. Can still apply to contemporary ideas.
If you've got any Catholic (or generally liturgical Christian) inclinations, GK Chesterton is a lot of fun. CS Lewis is his Protestant version (Screwtape Letters a must for everyone).
just stop being a pinko commie desu senpai~
>Hitler
>A National Socialist
>Held Conservative Views
Shaking my head family, shaking my head.
>>7385806
>fascism
>not conservative
lol ok.
William F. Buckley
>Hitler
>Conservative
how does one come to this conclusion
>>7386003
By spending too much time around their fellow leftypols
>>7385824
>Fascism is revolutionary
no, it's not.
>>7386003
by using one's brain, anon.
>>7386026
It is. It's as revolutionary as communism, I don't see why it wouldn't be. It held a negative view towards many traditions, such as Christianity and drew philosophical inspirations from philosophers such as Nietzsche (twisted version of him, but it isn't important) and Heidegger. At least in Germany.
>>7386026
Not him but yes it was revolutionary. They wanted to change society, give people new values, they had camps for children (like scouts) to form kids to their ideology.
Catholic reading list
>Required Reading:
>>The Bible (Douy-Rheims)
>>Catechism of the Catholic Church
>>Parts of the Summa Theologica (Specifically Part 1 and Part 3).
>Apologetics:
>>Handbook of Catholic Apologetics-Peter Kreeft and Ronald Tacelli
>>The Everlasting Man-Chesterton
>>Orthodoxy-Chesterton
>>Catholicism-Journey Into the Heart of the Faith- Robert Barron
>Theology:
>>Summa Theologica-St. Thomas Aquinas
>>City of God-Augustine
>>The Works of St. Anselm
>>On the Incarnation-St. Athanasius
>>Defense Against the Arians-St. Athanasius
>>The Consolation of Philosophy-Boethius
>>Pensees-Pascal
>Biography/Conversion works:
>>The Confessions-St. Augustine
>>Apologia Pro Vita Sua-John Henry Newman
>>The Seven Storey Mountain-Thomas Merton
>Historical/Sociological works:
>>The Formation of Christendom-Christopher Dawson
>>The Dividing of Christendom-Christopher Dawson
>>History of the Catholic Church-James Hitchcock
>>Keepers of the Keys of Heaven: A History of the Papacy
>Literature:
>> Shusaku Endo- Silence
>>The Divine Comedy-Dante Alighieri
>>The Works of Flannery O'Connor-Flannery O'Connor
>>The Power and the Glory-Graham Greene
>>Diary of a Country Priest-Georges Bernanos
>>The Works of G.K. Chesterton
>>The Moviegoer-Walker Percy
>>Lancelot-Walker Percy
>>The Lord of the Rings-J.R.R. Tolkien
>>The Book of the New Sun-Gene Wolfe
>>Brideshead Revisited-Evelyn Waugh
>>The Canterbury Tales-Chaucer
>>A Canticle for Liebowitz-Walter M. Miller
>Mysticism:
>>The Dark Night of the Soul-St. John of the Cross
>>Collected Writings- St. John of the Cross
>>The Interior Castle- St. Teresa of Avila
>>Revelations of Divine Love- Julian of Norwich
>>New Seeds of Contemplation- Thomas Merton
>>No Man is an Island-Thomas Merton
>>Thoughts in Solitude-Thomas Merton
>>7386051
If you're seriously suggesting reading Summa Theologica in its entirety, you are a fool.
Traditionalist conservatism is best expressed by Roger Scruton.
>>7386046
Fascism is reactionary, not revolutionary. Heidegger was laughed at by the Nazis who viewed his philosophy as gibberish. I doubt Hitler ever read Nietzsche as Nietzsche condemned anti-semitism.
If you want contrast and rebuttals to liberal views, have you looked at Libertarian literature yet?
They have the most consistent application of philosophy and economics in a view I've found, mainly due to the constant self-reflection and inner debate among the various groups that subscribe to these beliefs.
Or are you specifically interested in religious conservatives?
>>7387567
>>>Parts of the Summa Theologica (Specifically Part 1 and Part 3).
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>>7387680
Fascism is modernist as fuck.
>>7387680
>Nietzsche condemned anti-semitism.
But he also condemned Jews and faulted them for the mixing of races and said they were the enemy of all other peoples.
>>7387680
What was revolutionary was to put together all those reactionary ideas together to form an ideology. It was totally different from other reactionary movements that happened in Europe before, who often advocated for a return to monarchy, the church, traditional values etc.
>>7385949
In addition, Sowell, Hayek, Friedman, and Goldwater.
>>7388673
Dude yes. Someone who gets me on lit! <3
Good (sane) conservative thinkers
>Joseph de Maistre
>Edmund Burke
>Alexis de Tocqueville
>Leo Strauss
>Carl Schmitt (to a certain extent)
>Oswald Spengler
>Rene Guenon
Avoid redpill shit at all costs, but I'm sure that's obvious. Evola is a very mixed bag.
>>7388739
What about Peter Sloterdijk?
>>7385949
Watching Buckley's interviews with Noam Chomsky is unbearable, and he felt very patronizing to Truman Capote in his interview with him as well.
>>7388760
What has Buckley done? I only watched his interviews. Is he an academic or not?
>>7388767
He's an academic in the same sense that Bill O'Reilly is an academic.
Read The Constitution of Liberty by Hayek.
Christopher Lasch and Neil Postman are accessible conservative authors with very relevant messages.
>>7385369
>>moderate conservative
>"Okay, okay, lets not enslave/kill everyone, just the minorities."
>>7386046
>communism
>revolutionary
Literally the first and longest way humans have every organized society. Everything else has only started/lasted in the last 5,000 years or so.
Curious to see no one in this thread mentioning Russell Kirk. I've been given to understand that he's indispensable to modern conservative thought.
>>7388743
>Peter Sloterdijk
Zizek is that you?
>>7388788
where do you people even come from
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>>7385812
>>7386026
>>7387680
Read a fucking book on political history, nigger. Literally every serious academic agrees that Fascism was revolutionary and looked to the future, and not the past. There's a reason why Italian Fascism and Italian Futurism were so closely linked. The clue is in the fucking name, futurism.
>>7387791
>Nietzsche condemned himself
>>7389326
Tumblr
https://shells.fnordserver.eu/~pipeburst/Political%20Consciousness%20In%20the%20USA/3.html
>>7387567
>Traditionalist conservatism is best expressed by Roger Scruton
SOUND!
>>7387567
Scruton is very interesting.
I'd recommend:
Conservatism: A Political Philosophy
Modern Culture
Beauty: A Very Short Introduction
>>7386049
What's your point about Nazi youth being revolutionary? Boy Scouts predated it. Just the strategic use of it?
>>7388739
Most of those people are reactionary, not conservative. Conservatism is an essentially progressive political ideology.
>>7385796
liberals are more like conservatives than they are like commies
>>7387567
Scruton is literally a neoliberal shill who just likes a bit of Victorian LARPing.
>>7387791
>he also condemned Jews and faulted them for the mixing of races
Nietzsche literally said we should breed Prussian officers with Jewish banker daughters.
>>7390801
WE WON'T HAVE AMERICAN RULE
>Nietzsche
>taking a literally insane man seriously
>being surprised he contradicts himself
Shiggy diggy doo
>>7385824
>Fascism is revolutionary.
HAHAHA. The people on this board man, I swear.
>>7389510
True nihalism
As a conservative I would recommend
The Meaning of Conservatism- Roger Scruton
The Politics of Prudence- Russel Kirk
The Case for Conservatism-Quintin Hogg
Conscience of a Conservative- Barry Goldwater
Someone else mentioned Burke; he is crucial reading and essentially the founder of modern conservatism. The books above mentioned will give you a fairly comprehensive understanding of the political persuasion that is conservatism, after reading those I would move on to Burke.
>>7391060
Reading Conscious of a Conservative right now. Would love to hang out with some right/lit/s sometime soon.
>>7391021
As an anti-liberal and anti-capitalist ideology, I don't know how else you can frame it
>>7391021
Fascism is literally revolutionary. The lad who came up with it said so himself.
>>7391064
>tfw when no /lit/ bro to ravage my tender boipussi
>>7390923
"Revolutionary" doesn't mean "game-changing" in a political context. It means "of or relating to revolution."
Isn't conservatism a euphemism for reactionary ideals? How many conservatives actually want to conserve the status quo?
Mencius Moldbug's ``An Open Letter to Open-minded Progressives''
>>7388743
This. Only good one is Sloterdijk, though I disagree with him greatly.
>>7391578
This.
Also Thomas Carlyle
>>7388788
don't put words in my mouth you fucking liberal pussy, slavery enriches the soul, if anything YOU@RE the racist
>>7391593
Critique of Cynical Reason, You Must Change Your Life, and In the World Interior of Capital.
>>7388788
is this one of those redditors I've been hearing about?
>>7386046
>as revolutionary as communism
No it isn't. Fascism doesn't seek to change the mode of production but simply reorganise the structure of society under the totalitarian nationalist state on the basis of class unity. Communism seeks the complete abolishment of the economy and the abolishment of class and state.
>>7391598
thanks, i'll check those out
>>7391617
revolutionary doesn't mean completely changing the mode of production. It just means changing assumptions/institutions/structures from the bottom up
>>7391622
The material base of society is provided for by the mode of production, to change society from the bottom up one must change the mode of production, for all is built upon this base and is influenced by it. The abolition of private property is far more revolutionary than its preservation and class collaboration, for this very reason.
>>7391622
>further establishing the system is as revolutionary as a radical upheaval of it
>>7387786
How so? Didn't the Nazis spurn and dismantle the Bauhaus?
>>7391637
Okay, so what the fuck do you want, really?
After its revolution, France became once again an aggressive, imperial power. Then, when other countries put a stop to that, they did it *again*. Does that suddenly mean that the fucking ACTUAL SOCIALISTS were all just secret conservative spies? Christ.
>>7389496
Prove it, please. "read a fucking book" isn't an argument.
>>7391617
>Fascism doesn't seek to change the mode of production
"What's corporatism?"
>class unity under a totalitarian state
Classical fascism actually places a lot of value on economic stratification. There's no erasure of class. The point is that classes are clearly defined, but work together.
The nationalism of fascism is palingenetic, not reactionary. It absolutely is a revolutionary ideology.
