So this novel is basically about how Islam is the best thing to happen to Europe since the Middle Ages, right?
No, it's not a genuine endorsement of Islam, he just uses it as a tool to comment upon Western cultural decay.
>>7376010
Yes and no
>>7376012
He doesn't seem to offer another way in which the West can be saved though. I got the idea is that Islam at this point was the only option to cure the ailments of modernity.
>>7376019
Fuck off you shrill faggot. The thread is about a book.
>>7376019
This is the literature board, if you don't like to discuss books there are other places for you to go.
>>7376013
Please elaborate.
>>7376010
It's about houellebecq being a gigantic betalord who wants islam so he gets guaranteed wives
>>7376214
>being a gigantic betalord who wants islam so he gets guaranteed wives
Absolutely nothing wrong with that
>>7376214
Houellebecq is already married and gets plenty of sidepussy.
red pills are a hell of a drug
>>7376351
he's the prime cultural diagnostician of our age desu
>>7376010
No. It is a dystopia. It's not really about islam, it's just a bad new tyranie, a rip-off of 1984.
It's readable. The economic idea was new to me, anyway, he just wants to fuck women in the ass, just like Kundera.
>>7376429
What's dystopian about it? Instead of paying tribute to progressive liberalism and political correctness to maintain your social position you have to pay tribute to Islam instead.
The only difference is that unemployment and crime are diminished and the family is re-established as the cornerstone of society.
http://www.nytimes.com/2015/11/08/books/review/michel-houellebecqs-submission.html?hp&action=click&pgtype=Homepage&module=mini-moth®ion=top-stories-below&WT.nav=top-stories-below&_r=1
Read this
>>7376419
That would be zizek
>>7376472
This
>>7376010
It's about the lesser good of Islam. The point is that the convert of the main character is basically a caricature of the one done by his favorite author. Also it shows that Le Pen lost because she was too secular and the radical catholics weren't allowed to be in Generation Identaire. I also don't like this shit about the IRL New Right and their anti-christian tendencies. Fuck them.
>>7376472
Zizek is Sartre to Houellebecq's Camus. One writes insane gibberish and hides behind obscurantism and political posturing while the other writes good novels that touch on important matters unpretentiously.
>>7376465
Are Karl Ove Knausgård's novels worth it?
>>7376484
This is the worst comparison i've read in all of my life
>>7376488
I haven't read him, though my friend really rates him. Listening to this may give you a clearer view of what he writes about and whether he is worth it or not (reading 6 huge novels is a commitment after all)
http://www.kcrw.com/news-culture/shows/bookworm/karl-ove-knausgaard-my-struggle-part-i
>Anons think that this book is a foreshadowing of Europe's future
>tfw this is actually a critique of Europe's current loss of values and dive into post-modern nihilism.
>>7376465
>watching von Trier
>reminder of how excellent a work of art can be
fucking dropped, von Trier is symbolically illiterate middlebrow bullshit t b h
>>7378470
Breaking the waves is fantastic though.
>>7376714
>>tfw this is actually a critique of Europe's current loss of values and dive into post-modern nihilism.
This is what most of Hollaback's books are about, it's pure repetition. Add some old-guy sexual fantasies and you're done - Submission has threesomes with prostitutes, and polygamy under Islam.
>>7376484
you're both insane and need to read more
>>7376484
You make the /pol/ posters seem intelligent.
>>7376484
>>Zizek is Sartre to Houellebecq's Camus.
this
>>7378470
Yeah I pretty much feel this way, although honestly he's made some really great films.
>>7378508
I'd say this, and I also liked Antichrist. Dogville, Melancholia and Nymphomaniac Pt 1 were absolute SHIT. Melancholia did have some really awesome cinematography & the synced score was nice. Nymphomaniac was trash.
Fuck Hollaback. Everything he's ever written was already written in a much more profound and sensible way by Bergounioux. He's a hack
>>7378470
>Europa
>Not being the greatest film of the late 20th Century
>>7378609
>Bergounioux
Parallèlement, Pierre Bergounioux a mené une réflexion sur l'école dans un livre d'entretiens paru en octobre 2006, ironiquement intitulé École : mission accomplie. Il y fait l'amer constat de l'échec du collège unique, dont le fonctionnement non seulement ne réduit pas les inégalités, mais accentue chez les élèves les plus faibles l'humiliation et le pressentiment qu'ils ont de l'infériorité de leur condition sociale.
« La seule façon de ne pas faire violence aux enfants serait de les juger par rapport à eux-mêmes, d'évaluer la distance qu'ils ont parcourue entre l'état où nous les avons trouvés au sortir de l'univers familial et celui auquel ils se sont élevés sous l'effet de notre enseignement. Mais cela reviendrait à reconnaître publiquement l'injustice de notre société, à en tirer les conséquences, qui sont révolutionnaires, rien de moins, et jamais nous n'avons été aussi loin de le faire. »
les bienfaits de la republique
>>7378682
Et ton opinion ?
>>7378688
il est trop libertaire pour moi.
>>7376214
>betalord
>famous French author
Pick one
This novel is not about Islam at all.
It's about exposing the enduring collaborationist character of the French people.
Vichy II: Bougalou Electrique
>>7378470
This desu
Watched Nymphomania, fukken dropped. Pornography trying to pass itself off as high-brow cinema
>>7376484
lmoa
>>7379311
>>7376015
What're you saying, that he should have? What're you saying, a book should be a UN proposition? And what are you saying about salvation? Are you 12?
>>7378579
Fun fact: Nymphomaniac was the first movie he wrote and directed while NOT under the influence of ungodly amounts of cocaine and booze.
>>7378682
Omellette du fromage.
>>7379983
Not saying that he should have, just that in this way he seems to represent Islam as the best possible outcome.
>>7376484
Actually pretty correct. Houellebecq is clearly the more talented, though I like Zizek plenty.
